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The 4th Nyetoan-Ukcrossian war Peace talks

A staging-point for declarations of war and other major diplomatic events. [In character]

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Postby The Astral Mandate » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:43 am

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
Ukcross wrote:"Maybe to make a deterrence, a large ODP presence in Nyetoa and KTO presence in Ukcross would provide discouragement, and connected Diplomatic channels will make it easier for problems to be resolved Diplomatically."


“ODP will not work with KTO, and we are fairly certain that KTO will say the same of ODP. It’s ODP and the Rigel Pact or nothing.”

"At least see if they'll accept cooperation. As the Rigel Pact, that's what we stand for. It's all three of us or else we won't do anything. Well, if that's ok with the members anyway"
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Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:45 am

The Astral Mandate wrote:
Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
“ODP will not work with KTO, and we are fairly certain that KTO will say the same of ODP. It’s ODP and the Rigel Pact or nothing.”

"At least see if they'll accept cooperation. As the Rigel Pact, that's what we stand for. It's all three of us or else we won't do anything. Well, if that's ok with the members anyway"


OOC: KTO and ODP aren’t working together on anything, and idk how that isn’t as obvious.

IC: “ODP and Rigel Pact or nothing. KTO will not be allowed to continue their imperialist campaigns of subjugating and enslaving innocent, small nations to serve them ever again.”
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Postby The Rio Grande River Basin » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:47 am

“ALRIGHT, STOP! I recommend that the ODP, Rigel Pact and KTO operate the DMZ, and let us all try to work together for once. I’m sure international peace and stopping a 5th war is something we can finally work on. The American Federation, despite our history, holds no ill will towards the KTO, even if certain members will be unable to work productively together.”
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Postby The Astral Mandate » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:48 am

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
The Astral Mandate wrote:"At least see if they'll accept cooperation. As the Rigel Pact, that's what we stand for. It's all three of us or else we won't do anything. Well, if that's ok with the members anyway"


OOC: KTO and ODP aren’t working together on anything, and idk how that isn’t as obvious.

IC: “ODP and Rigel Pact or nothing. KTO will not be allowed to continue their imperialist campaigns of subjugating and enslaving innocent, small nations to serve them ever again.”

"I SAID TO AT LEAST ASK THEM. IF THEY DON'T ACCEPT, THAT'S FINE."
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Co- Founder of the Agricultural Research Organization, dedicated to producing the best fruit varieties in the world.
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Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.74
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Postby The Astral Mandate » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:49 am

The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:“ALRIGHT, STOP! I recommend that the ODP, Rigel Pact and KTO operate the DMZ, and let us all try to work together for once. I’m sure international peace and stopping a 5th war is something we can finally work on.”

"Now this is what the Rigel Pact stands for! You with me, Pact members?"
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Co- Founder of the Agricultural Research Organization, dedicated to producing the best fruit varieties in the world.
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Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:49 am

The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:“ALRIGHT, STOP! I recommend that the ODP, Rigel Pact and KTO operate the DMZ, and let us all try to work together for once. I’m sure international peace and stopping a 5th war is something we can finally work on.”


“There will not be any KTO presence, not one dollar from any insignificant KTO nation, or anything so much as named “KTO” in Nyetoan territory.” Said the extremely calm Marajarbian representative.
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Postby The Astral Mandate » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:50 am

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:“ALRIGHT, STOP! I recommend that the ODP, Rigel Pact and KTO operate the DMZ, and let us all try to work together for once. I’m sure international peace and stopping a 5th war is something we can finally work on.”


“There will not be any KTO presence, not one dollar from any insignificant KTO nation, or anything so much as named “KTO” in Nyetoan territory.” Said the extremely calm Marajarbian representative.

"You're missing the point."
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Co- Founder of the Agricultural Research Organization, dedicated to producing the best fruit varieties in the world.
Left/Right: -7.25
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.74
"Aggression benefits the despot: therefore, work for freedom is work for peace." -Me

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Postby Ayshire » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:51 am

"This just got interesting" Sikorski smiled to himself and sat back, this was the first time he'd seen conflict between two major ODP members and was sure the other KTO members were taking note of this as well.
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Postby The Astral Mandate » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:52 am

Ayshire wrote:"This just got interesting" Sikorski smiled to himself and sat back, this was the first time he'd seen conflict between two major ODP members and was sure the other KTO members were taking note of this as well.

Do you accept the idea of cooperation tho
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Co- Founder of the Agricultural Research Organization, dedicated to producing the best fruit varieties in the world.
Left/Right: -7.25
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.74
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Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:52 am

Ayshire wrote:"This just got interesting" Sikorski smiled to himself and sat back, this was the first time he'd seen conflict between two major ODP members and was sure the other KTO members were taking note of this as well.


OOC: It’s not a conflict between two ODP members lmao.
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Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:53 am

The Astral Mandate wrote:
Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
“There will not be any KTO presence, not one dollar from any insignificant KTO nation, or anything so much as named “KTO” in Nyetoan territory.” Said the extremely calm Marajarbian representative.

"You're missing the point."


“We believe it’s the other way around, as far as you are concerned. Marajarbia has already made its point about as clear as the nearest lake, or even the sky.”
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Postby Ayshire » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:54 am

The Astral Mandate wrote:
Ayshire wrote:"This just got interesting" Sikorski smiled to himself and sat back, this was the first time he'd seen conflict between two major ODP members and was sure the other KTO members were taking note of this as well.

Do you accept the idea of cooperation tho


"Yes I do."
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Postby The Astral Mandate » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:54 am

Ayshire wrote:
The Astral Mandate wrote:Do you accept the idea of cooperation tho


"Yes I do."
OOC: it really be like that

"See, Marajarbia? All I had to do was ask!"
MT, borderline PMT (Year: 2023)
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Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:55 am

The Astral Mandate wrote:
Ayshire wrote:

"Yes I do."
OOC: it really be like that

"See, Marajarbia? All I had to do was ask!"


OOC: Dude, quit it. Seriously.
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Postby The Rio Grande River Basin » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:56 am

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
The Astral Mandate wrote:"You're missing the point."


“We believe it’s the other way around, as far as you are concerned. Marajarbia has already made its point about as clear as the nearest lake, or even the sky.”

The representative thought how he could put his point across tactfully.

“Even if co-operation between certain members is impossible, we would be happy to co-operate the DMZ, which would also make a permanent KTO base unnecessary, considering the DMZs operation as essentially a military base.”

OOC: You two, cut it out.
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Postby The Astral Mandate » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:57 am

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
The Astral Mandate wrote:"See, Marajarbia? All I had to do was ask!"


OOC: Dude, quit it. Seriously.

"What do you think is wrong about this?"
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Postby Gonswanza » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:57 am

Laura Ortiz leans back, watching the discussion devolve into a verbal fistfight, though its between two ghosts and some outside forces who probably had little to no presence in the war. Comedy, truly.

"Well if anyone is still listening, or at least capable of hearing me out, Gonswanza will occupy Fort Esti and Ason. And again, they will be dedicated to hosting KTO forces as a deterrent against future conflict. Gonswanzan engineers can help rebuild, with Gonswanzan oil rigs posted offshore to harvest oil as a form of reparation, hiring locally so as to stimulate the Nyetoan economy. Those are my final demands."
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Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:58 am

The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:
Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
“We believe it’s the other way around, as far as you are concerned. Marajarbia has already made its point about as clear as the nearest lake, or even the sky.”

The representative thought how he could put his point across tactfully.

“Even if co-operation between certain members is impossible, we would be happy to co-operate the DMZ, which would also make a permanent KTO base unnecessary, considering the DMZs operation as essentially a military base.”

OOC: You two, cut it out.


“We will only allow that if KTO remains in Ukcrossian land, under strict international supervision. We won’t allow any Nyetoan lands to be put into the control of any imperialist from that organization of imperialistic war criminals.”
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Postby The Astral Mandate » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:59 am

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:The representative thought how he could put his point across tactfully.

“Even if co-operation between certain members is impossible, we would be happy to co-operate the DMZ, which would also make a permanent KTO base unnecessary, considering the DMZs operation as essentially a military base.”

OOC: You two, cut it out.


“We will only allow that if KTO remains in Ukcrossian land, under strict international supervision. We won’t allow any Nyetoan lands to be put into the control of any imperialist from that organization of imperialistic war criminals.”

"Fair enough."
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Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.74
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Postby The Rio Grande River Basin » Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:00 pm

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:The representative thought how he could put his point across tactfully.

“Even if co-operation between certain members is impossible, we would be happy to co-operate the DMZ, which would also make a permanent KTO base unnecessary, considering the DMZs operation as essentially a military base.”

OOC: You two, cut it out.


“We will only allow that if KTO remains in Ukcrossian land, under strict international supervision. We won’t allow any Nyetoan lands to be put into the control of any imperialist from that organization of imperialistic war criminals.”


“Please try and be diplomatic. Nevertheless, if the KTO were to man the Ukcrossian side of the DMZ, and the ODP, the Nyetoan sections, with the Rigel Pact on both sides, it appears to be a solution, right? I’d like to ask the Ukcrossians and Nyetoans what they think of such a possibility?”
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Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:01 pm

The Astral Mandate wrote:
Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
“We will only allow that if KTO remains in Ukcrossian land, under strict international supervision. We won’t allow any Nyetoan lands to be put into the control of any imperialist from that organization of imperialistic war criminals.”

"Fair enough."


“Furthermore, we’d appreciate it if a coalition is made to continue to do that to any and all KTO operations. They’ve invaded more innocent, smaller nations before, and have forcibly enacted their own corrupt wills in the past. Such a coalition would prevent that.”
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Postby The Rio Grande River Basin » Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:03 pm

“As much as some of both sides’ actions have been questionable, may we at least attempt to remain diplomatic? Now, what is the position on my proposal?”
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Battle of Mar’Sa’Nakar ends in Pyrrhic victory as the Galactic Federation suffers losses, in defending the critical sector. GFS Andromeda severely damaged, GFS Comet destroyed. Mass evacuation of outer sector worlds beginning.
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Postby GreatOceania » Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:04 pm

It was physically impossible to have such unprofessional people acting as representatives for their nation you would thought you will only see this type of behavior in movies however sadly there are people that act like this.

“International peace my ass neither Pact has done anything substantial in this war besides KTO the guys back at the agency are gonna laugh at this” Noah Muttered to himself as he wrote a few things done in his notebook before speaking up.

“while you ladies argue who has the prettier look to those who aren’t deaf and their ears are working properly Oceania will occupy Astar and it’s surrounding territory with political and economic plans to be made for those living in the Oceanian-Nytoa Zone name is expected to be changed at a later date to help benefit the area”

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Postby Ukcross » Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:05 pm

"Alright. You know what?" Says the Ukcrossian Representative, visibly annoyed "The KTO is welcome to set up a permanent Military base in Ukcrossian controlled Syomland. We have annexed Alisi, it has been agreed that Alisi has been annexed, and we have every right to construct a military base in Alisi. Since we have resource rights in the Deran mountains, i hope it will be agreeable that we have small security in the mines. Ukcrossian-Janpian Occupation of Aklin will occur with repair projects being done. I hope that this is fine. Lastly, Occupation in Episburg will be for 2 months."
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Postby The Rio Grande River Basin » Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:06 pm

GreatOceania wrote:It was physically impossible to have such unprofessional people acting as representatives for their nation you would thought you will only see this type of behavior in movies however sadly there are people that act like this.

“International peace my ass neither Pact has done anything substantial in this war besides KTO the guys back at the agency are gonna laugh at this” Noah Muttered to himself as he wrote a few things done in his notebook before speaking up.

“while you ladies argue who has the prettier look to those who aren’t deaf and their ears are working properly Oceania will occupy Astar and it’s surrounding territory with political and economic plans to be made for those living in the Oceanian-Nytoa Zone name is expected to be changed at a later date to help benefit the area”

Hearing an odd wind like sound, the representative ignored it.

“The Ukcrossian proposal is fine, but what is the position on my DMZ proposal?”
FT Canon is most developed, therefore for F7
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Battle of Mar’Sa’Nakar ends in Pyrrhic victory as the Galactic Federation suffers losses, in defending the critical sector. GFS Andromeda severely damaged, GFS Comet destroyed. Mass evacuation of outer sector worlds beginning.
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.59
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