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The Treaty of Antananarivo (ENDED)

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The Treaty of Antananarivo (ENDED)

Postby Neo-Western East Korea » Mon Dec 12, 2022 4:52 pm

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Predecessor to this Thread

As the last bombs fall across an almost-ruined land, and the armies and fleets once so committed to conflict are forced to return home, there can only be one conclusion:

The Madagascar Conflict has Ended

But, of course, as has been known since the first war ended, a conflict does not end until one is dead.

Now, the conflict is simply with words, pen, and paper as the borders for what will become the post-war states of the land are drawn, and politicians and statement become as effective as seizing one bloody inch of land as those soldiers who lost their lives to do the same.

The conference to host these individuals has, to the surprise of few, gathered in the capital of Antananarivo.


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Postby Neo-Western East Korea » Mon Dec 12, 2022 4:59 pm

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Iseri rubbed his aching back as he made his way into the building that had been commandeered for the treaty-issue.

Through an interesting turn of events, Terenti had been too busy to fulfill his pre-planned role as negotiator, and Iseri had coincidentally been involved enough in the administration of the Chinook transfer to have some understanding of the situation (or at least enough to function as a negotiator).

This circumstance, despite how potentially beneficial it could be for his career, was still unfortunate in the fact that the plane he had taken had…… not been the most comfortable, so to say.

Taking his seat, he awaited the other ambassadors who would most likely gradually trickle in.

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Postby Deutsch-Francia » Mon Dec 12, 2022 5:06 pm

Deutsch-Francia's representative, Rudolf August von Arnsberg, arrives, and takes a seat. As he does so, he places some documents in front of him. Adjusting his glasses, he greets the other delegate present.

"Good day sir, I presume you must be the Neo-Korean representative, correct?"
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Postby Neo-Western East Korea » Mon Dec 12, 2022 5:13 pm

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Taking a moment to adjust his view, Iseri delivers a greeting

“Hello, I would indeed happen to be the current Neo-Korean representative.”

He takes another moment before continuing

“I’m glad you’ve arrived here relatively early, it may take some time for the rest to arrive and I hope we can begin establishing what the nations that will come to be involved desire out of this peace”.


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Postby Bakivaland » Mon Dec 12, 2022 5:32 pm

Arriving in a scorched city, ashes and smoke everywhere, is Mister Ståle Mauseth Hughes. Hughes would walk into the building, placing his hand over his mouth to cough, then swiftly placing it back at his side when finished. Hughes would take a seat, place a folder full of important documents, and greet the rest of the representatives.

"Hello, I presume you are the Duetsch-Francian representative? And you, you must be the Neo-Korean representative?"

He'd pause for just a moment then and try to shake hands with both representatives.
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Postby Vikanias » Mon Dec 12, 2022 7:23 pm

Prime minister Sealramm of Vikanias has surprisingly, showed up to conference despite the fact that Antananarivo is in a burning wreck which will take years to salvage to a pre war state, Sealramm to no surprise has showed up with soldiers because regular bodyguards would be extremely unessecary in a war zone, Sealramm would place down a briefcase with presumably a lost if things Vikanias seeks to possibly gain from the war, as he sits down Sealramm let’s out a sigh before introducing himself.

“Hello everyone, I m PM Sealramm of Vikanias, sent by Kaiser Loaf himself to discuss… amicable terms for the Madagascarian people, in the meantime we can loaf around and do stuff.. I guess.”
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Postby Deutsch-Francia » Mon Dec 12, 2022 9:37 pm

Bakivaland wrote:Arriving in a scorched city, ashes and smoke everywhere, is Mister Ståle Mauseth Hughes. Hughes would walk into the building, placing his hand over his mouth to cough, then swiftly placing it back at his side when finished. Hughes would take a seat, place a folder full of important documents, and greet the rest of the representatives.

"Hello, I presume you are the Duetsch-Francian representative? And you, you must be the Neo-Korean representative?"

He'd pause for just a moment then and try to shake hands with both representatives.


"Greetings. I am Rudolf August von Arnsberg, and I am the representative from Deutsch-Francia." Von Arnsberg says as he shakes the Bakivish representative's hand.

Vikanias wrote:Prime minister Sealramm of Vikanias has surprisingly, showed up to conference despite the fact that Antananarivo is in a burning wreck which will take years to salvage to a pre war state, Sealramm to no surprise has showed up with soldiers because regular bodyguards would be extremely unessecary in a war zone, Sealramm would place down a briefcase with presumably a lost if things Vikanias seeks to possibly gain from the war, as he sits down Sealramm let’s out a sigh before introducing himself.

“Hello everyone, I m PM Sealramm of Vikanias, sent by Kaiser Loaf himself to discuss… amicable terms for the Madagascarian people, in the meantime we can loaf around and do stuff.. I guess.”


"Why hello there, it is a pleasure to meet you. Hopefully it won't be long before the remaining representatives arrive." Von Arnsberg states.
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Postby Neo-Western East Korea » Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:33 am

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After taking a moment to check if any more individuals seem to be arriving, Iseri speaks once more

“Well, as it seems no more diplomats will be arriving (and that we have all made our greetings) for the moment, I believe we can begin discussing the future of the very land we sit on (in more ways than one).”

“To start with, I believe we should talk about the rather large elephant in the room, that being deciding which side will get which land.”


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Postby Deutsch-Francia » Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:56 am

"Of course. It is our stance that any border drawn between both sides should ensure that both states can be economically and politically stable enough for a legal and fair referendum on unification to be held at some point in the future."
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Postby Bakivaland » Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:30 pm

Deutsch-Francia wrote:"Of course. It is our stance that any border drawn between both sides should ensure that both states can be economically and politically stable enough for a legal and fair referendum on unification to be held at some point in the future."

"Since it technically ended with a stalemate, I believe that each side of the conflict should get land. Obviously, the Socialists were the clear victor in most categories, so they should probably get the most land."
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Bakivaland wrote:"Since it technically ended with a stalemate, I believe that each side of the conflict should get land. Obviously, the Socialists were the clear victor in most categories, so they should probably get the most land."



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“By side, in this case, you do mean the Republic, the RRM, and yourselves, correct?”

He takes a sip of water out of a bottle he brought with him

“Because I believe that, at least to some extent, we can all agree that the “Anarchists” who were present should be swept into the dustbin of history.”


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Postby Vikanias » Tue Dec 13, 2022 7:59 pm

“Agreed, the Anarchists didn’t last much longer than a fly and they had no official supporters, Anarchism shall be swept aside” Sealramm would reply to the Korean representative, “to begin, I don’t believe we should splitting Madagascar into two separate states at all, look at how that worked out Vietnam, thousands dead in a catastrophic war, nation’s being split puts a bandaid on a sword slash, it doesn’t stop the problem, only delays it for the future. Vikanias wishes that a joint government be set up where both factions shall be formed into political parties, WITH no Bakivish control whatsoever, this shall hopefully stop a potential war down the line but ensure a free Nadagascar where everyone has a voice, no matter their beliefs. Secondly Vikanias wants all participatory nations to pay reparations to Madagascar for the destruction set on the island, and to fund the new government when its elections are first held, no matter who wins, this shall go for a 10 period until all nations can pull out the economic aid.”

Sealramm would shuffle through his documents
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Postby Bakivaland » Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:36 pm

Neo-Western East Korea wrote:
Bakivaland wrote:"Since it technically ended with a stalemate, I believe that each side of the conflict should get land. Obviously, the Socialists were the clear victor in most categories, so they should probably get the most land."



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“By side, in this case, you do mean the Republic, the RRM, and yourselves, correct?”

He takes a sip of water out of a bottle he brought with him

“Because I believe that, at least to some extent, we can all agree that the “Anarchists” who were present should be swept into the dustbin of history.”


"I must agree, frankly I forgot about the Anarchist independence movements at all for a moment. They were insignificant with little to no support. And yes, I do mean the RRM, the Republic, and ourselves. Although, my nation'll surely pay reparations for the destruction, but the outbreak of a civil war is quite the issue. Both a socialist and capitalist state on the same small island doesn't sound like a grand idea, does it? I believe that satellite states should be established to serve as buffers between the two nations, in addition to demilitarized zones."

Mister Hughes would shuffle through his documents, reading the secretive titles before placing them back into the folder.
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Postby Neo-Western East Korea » Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:38 pm

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Iseri takes a few moments to ponder the statements of his fellow diplomats, before making one of his own.

“Neo-Korea does not support the immediate reunification of Madagascar.”

“While future reunification is a worthy goal, we must consider that (in a situation much-like the Vietnam Conflict that you mentioned), any form of democratic election to determine the political leadership of the island has a high probability of being rigged or otherwise polarizing enough to restart the conflict.”

“The separation of the island into multiple states is a necessary evil to allow for the scars (ideological and physical) of the conflict to heal to enough of an extent that an attempt at reunification can be made with the support of the populace while remaining in good faith.”

He takes a moment before moving onto other things.

“Neo-Korea would be glad to assist in reconstruction”.

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Postby Bakivaland » Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:57 am

Neo-Western East Korea wrote:


Iseri takes a few moments to ponder the statements of his fellow diplomats, before making one of his own.

“Neo-Korea does not support the immediate reunification of Madagascar.”

“While future reunification is a worthy goal, we must consider that (in a situation much-like the Vietnam Conflict that you mentioned), any form of democratic election to determine the political leadership of the island has a high probability of being rigged or otherwise polarizing enough to restart the conflict.”

“The separation of the island into multiple states is a necessary evil to allow for the scars (ideological and physical) of the conflict to heal to enough of an extent that an attempt at reunification can be made with the support of the populace while remaining in good faith.”

He takes a moment before moving onto other things.

“Neo-Korea would be glad to assist in reconstruction”.


"Bakivaland would also be a happy participant in the reconstruction."
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Postby Vikanias » Wed Dec 14, 2022 11:02 am

Neo-Western East Korea wrote:


Iseri takes a few moments to ponder the statements of his fellow diplomats, before making one of his own.

“Neo-Korea does not support the immediate reunification of Madagascar.”

“While future reunification is a worthy goal, we must consider that (in a situation much-like the Vietnam Conflict that you mentioned), any form of democratic election to determine the political leadership of the island has a high probability of being rigged or otherwise polarizing enough to restart the conflict.”

“The separation of the island into multiple states is a necessary evil to allow for the scars (ideological and physical) of the conflict to heal to enough of an extent that an attempt at reunification can be made with the support of the populace while remaining in good faith.”

He takes a moment before moving onto other things.

“Neo-Korea would be glad to assist in reconstruction”.



Sealramm would look around his papers and ponder on what the Korean representative had said, before speaking “While it may cause a potential outbreak of war in the future what good shall come from Madagascar when it never reunifies, due to polarization of the two states’s people or the leadership wishing to maintain control after unification, and we can’t force unification unless we want a second war to break out, it’s a thin rope we are dangling on with Madagascar, if we make it to the end Madagascar shall be greater than ever before, if we fall, more chaos, and we aren’t good at acrobatics. Madagascar should be unified unless the island remains divided due to a possible multitude of circumstances.”
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Postby Bakivaland » Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:52 pm

Vikanias wrote:
Neo-Western East Korea wrote:


Iseri takes a few moments to ponder the statements of his fellow diplomats, before making one of his own.

“Neo-Korea does not support the immediate reunification of Madagascar.”

“While future reunification is a worthy goal, we must consider that (in a situation much-like the Vietnam Conflict that you mentioned), any form of democratic election to determine the political leadership of the island has a high probability of being rigged or otherwise polarizing enough to restart the conflict.”

“The separation of the island into multiple states is a necessary evil to allow for the scars (ideological and physical) of the conflict to heal to enough of an extent that an attempt at reunification can be made with the support of the populace while remaining in good faith.”

He takes a moment before moving onto other things.

“Neo-Korea would be glad to assist in reconstruction”.



Sealramm would look around his papers and ponder on what the Korean representative had said, before speaking “While it may cause a potential outbreak of war in the future what good shall come from Madagascar when it never reunifies, due to polarization of the two states’s people or the leadership wishing to maintain control after unification, and we can’t force unification unless we want a second war to break out, it’s a thin rope we are dangling on with Madagascar, if we make it to the end Madagascar shall be greater than ever before, if we fall, more chaos, and we aren’t good at acrobatics. Madagascar should be unified unless the island remains divided due to a possible multitude of circumstances.”


"I must disagree, the two factions are quite different. Reunification would be a lengthy and unnecessary process, as it would just end in a civil war. The socialists and capitalists must be separated for now, but yes, the rope we dangle on is thin, but reunification is possible. Perhaps, we may try a 'one country, two systems' model, which would be modeled after the Chinese."
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“Neo-Korea cannot support a “One Country, Two-Systems” Policy in regards to Madagascar.”

He pauses a moment, taking another sip of water before continuing.

“The actions of the RRM were, despite the support later offered to them, not provoked or forced to emerge by a foreign power.
It was, to all extents I can see, a natural action by forces desiring a change in both political and economic systems, just as the Republic did the same for their own ideals and systems-.”

He catches himself, seemingly having begun starting to ramble, and returns to his point

“What I mean to say by this is that, aside from the conflict against the continued colonial presence of the Bakvish, it was also a clash of ideals that emerged naturally from the conditions of the nation, with a return to those conditions in any format (such as a return to capitalism in some areas) likely causing more issues than it would solve.”

“A hypothetical 2 or 3 State Solution, while damaging to future chances of reunification, is the only way we can see in which the conflict can be brought to an amicable end to any meaningful extent, even if this means a more divided land in future.”


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Postby Deutsch-Francia » Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:49 pm

"Deutsch-Francia will not agree to either a "one-country, two systems" approach or a long-term partition of the island. We believe that if anything, there should only be a temporary partition between the Socialists and the Republicans which would also require the two factions to begin negotiations on forming a provisional government made up of officials from both parties. This provisional government would have the responsibility of organizing a new government for a sovereign Madagascar and holding elections. To help achieve stability, we believe that it would be important to provide the necessary funds and possibly even deploy peacekeepers with the consent of all parties involved." Von Arnsberg said.
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