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Treaty of Aurtumn II [IC]

A staging-point for declarations of war and other major diplomatic events. [In character]

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Postby The King Isle » Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:33 am

Aursi wrote:
The King Isle wrote:OOC: Where, and by who?

OOC: By Gralov in the Conference Hall. There have been missiles launched and there has been a gunmen attack.

OOC: what post?
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Postby Aursi » Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:35 am

Countesia wrote:
Aursi wrote:As Serik Ulyanov was talking, he suddenly heard the shatters, "Holy sh**.". He would immediately bring out his gun for self defense. But it was worthless, as it was shown that their main target was Mr. Unnamed. Serik was shocked. He had to bear a bad record. He would run to the 2nd floor of the former UADC-Aursi friendship Building. He would call the soldiers above to deal with these gunmen.



The moment the Unnamed Marajarbian Representative hit the floor the Fireteam Leader would rush over to the body

"Target is down, i repeat, target is down" He spoke into the radio as he moved.

When he reached the corpse, he saw the thick green sludge pooling beneath the body that was the creatures blood. The body laid lifeless and unmoving as he drew closer.

"Is the target confirmed diseased, Fireteam One?" A Fireteam Two's leader replied over the radio as the Fireteam Ones leader felt the Unnamed Representatives neck for a pulse.

"Checking for vitals now, I- His words were cut off as the supposedly dead representatives hand shot up to grab his wrist. The fireteam leader tried to jump back but the grip on his wrist was vice-like, and he grunted to conceal his pain as best he could as he felt the bones in wrist be crushed. He looked at the representative who had now unhinged his jaw to reveal rows of spiked teeth extending from the gums like daggers. An unearthly hissing sound came from the creature as it started to sit up.

Before he could yell for help, a buttstock slammed into the face of the Unnamed Representative as the first squadmate dashed across the room to help. The other two were also on the creature moments later, repeatedly hitting the creature with the stocks of their rifles. A few seconds later they had reduced the creatures entire head into a mushy pulp. The grip on the Fireteam leaders hand released as the creature died, and he fell back holding his throbbing wrist.

"Jesus fuck... we put almost a dozen rounds into that thing" He said, doing his best to remain composed in front of his men despite the overwhelming mix fear and adrenaline that coursed through his veins.

"Sir, the Aursians have sounded the alarm. We're going to be swarmed in less than a minute." His squadmate said. They wasted zero time in making their way back across the conference room and back to the windows, but to their utter shock, the unmistakable sight of an entire salvo of missiles were screaming towards the building. He looked over to the rooftops to see that Fireteam Two were hurriedly packing their gear and preparing to rappel from the rooftop, having seen the same sight Fireteam One had seen. With his good hand he picked up the rope and reattached himself to the line and so did his squadmates, and quickly found themselves beginning to scale down the building before the missiles would strike.
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Southeast Marajarbia wrote:The representative would come back five minutes later.


Unbeknownst to the representative, the moment he stepped back into the room he had entered the direct line of sight of three snipers positioned on a rooftop directly opposite the conference room a few stories higher. A fourth soldier held a thick pair of binoculars, after a few moments he put them down and nodded to the fireteam leader as to confirm a positive ID on the Unnamed Marajarbian Representative

"Fireteam one, target confirmed to have re-entered the premises"
Their radio pinged a few seconds later, a sign that Fireteam One had acknowledged their communication.

Lurking a just meters above the windows of the conference room, Fireteam One quitely descended down the side of the building so their boots rested directly on top of each window frame. Fireteam Ones leader looked left and right to ensure his men were also in position. The other three met his gaze with a nod to confirm that they were ready for his signal. With one hand on the descender, he would gesture a countdown with his fingers all the way down to three, and then to zero. The moment he made a fist they swung away with force from the window frames and descended so that their boots hit the middle of the glass. Their momentum meant that the windows shattered with little force under their feet.

The second they hit the floor of the conference room they hit the release on their descender to free themselves from the rope. All of this took place than anyone in the room could fathom, but for the soldiers the adrenaline made the whole event feel much longer. Fireteam Ones leader was the first to shoulder his rifle and no less than a fraction of a second later he double tapped the trigger to put two rounds through the Unnamed Marajarbian Representatives chest. His other squadmates fired off their own shots mere seconds later, dead center on the Unnamed Representative
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Aursi wrote:OOC: By Gralov in the Conference Hall. There have been missiles launched and there has been a gunmen attack.

OOC: what post?

OOC: I think Gralov deleted his post, but here's Countesian Gunmen
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UADC GENA FA
GADN PESTO ULIBOR
IAD OAMC SUSS
Founded: 19.11.1975
Capital: Aurtumn
Chancellor: Hans Greymann
Population: 75 Million
GDP: 6@ Trillion Aursifens
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Postby The King Isle » Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:37 am

The Tartanian Representative asks what to do
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Postby Aursi » Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:38 am

The King Isle wrote:The Tartanian Representative asks what to do

OOC: Aursian guy has already warned everyone and has hidden in the bunker without telling, you run and behave like uve heard my guy, then go to the bunker.
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Postby The King Isle » Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:39 am

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The King Isle wrote:The Tartanian Representative asks what to do

OOC: Aursian guy has already warned everyone and has hidden in the bunker without telling, you run and behave like uve heard my guy, then go to the bunker.

The Tartanian Representative runs into the bunker.
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Postby Aursi » Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:41 am

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Aursi wrote:OOC: Aursian guy has already warned everyone and has hidden in the bunker without telling, you run and behave like uve heard my guy, then go to the bunker.

The Tartanian Representative runs into the bunker.

Serik Ulyanov sees him and puts him in gunpoint. After looking more carefully he understands that he's the Tartanian Representative. Serik says, "Good job, lie down here. I've called soldiers to be here for the rest of the meeting, lets wait a bit."
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Postby Mitheldalond » Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:47 am

Janpia wrote:
Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
"So you don't have a diplomatic license. How typical. It is always common for the Janpians, leaders of the KTO, to avoid diplomatic talks, after all. Seems like you are a little rusty, denying that this war was more of a defeat for KTO, as evidenced by the losses. Now, the alliance your homeland leads has a very serious debt to pay, so you better listen up and talk, or you can keep on ignoring other diplomats thanks to that ego of yours. What'll it be?"


Unya is still quite amused, from what he can already see as a child

Rep. Unya:"The payment won't even make a dent in any of the KTO economies. The payment doesn't even have to reach billions since for one, no infrastructure was damaged. And boy I do wish that I don't have my diplomatic license. Cause if that is true, I would've beaten you to pulp like the rest of the unnamed clones which I have read on my newspapers"

"That isn't entirely true. Some factories and other areas were struck by enemy weapons."

Janpia wrote:
Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
"Oh, it's not just monetary, I'm afraid. It's more than money that's owed here, and the true diplomats here, including myself, know it. KTO's not in the mood for peace, it's in the mood for war. If it were not in the mood for war, the first thing you diplomats would have done is not been here today, were it not for the fact that, as the Mitheldalondian over there pointed it out, for the KTO's violations of a past treaty and will to believe a series of lies regarding Aursian democracy. KTO has literally no idea how the will of people who wish to remain free functions."


Rep. Unya:"Its obvious you all want money in the first place, as since that is all your only demand...

"Would you prefer we demanded reparations in the form of land to be ceded, or occupation or subjugation of your nations, or the establishment of new governments, or limits on your military or on political freedoms? You demanded several of these things of Aursi when they lost the last war, and nobody would think it unfair if the Aursians and their allies now made similar demands of you and yours. Yet we have not done so, and have in fact been excessively generous in our terms already. We have asked for far less compensation than the actual damages we have incurred, and said nothing of punitive damages."

Kingston takes a sip of water before continuing. "And now that we come to the fact, reparations are not our only demand. We also wish for an amendment to be made to the KTO charter to prevent the KTO from engaging in any wars of aggression, or sending troops into any nation that does not desire their presence, in the future. This would not restrict the KTO from conducting a defensive war in defense of a member nation, or any non-member nation that specifically requests their aid."

He leaned back in his chair and adopted a more relaxed tone of voice. "In reality, this would mostly be a symbolic gesture, as the amendment wouldn't actually change anything in a practical sense. It only places limits on the KTO as an alliance, not on the individual member nations. Individual members would still be able to conduct themselves exactly as they do now, and would even be able to work together as a coalition, much as they have done in the Aursian War. They would simply not be allowed to do so under the banner of the KTO, and discussions for the formation of such a coalition would have to take place outside the KTO.

"On a final note, while Mitheldalond respects the right of Ariza Inshirah to abdicate the Aursian throne, we object to the dissolution of the whole government and the establishment of a new one. The people of Aursi voted, through a fair and democratic referendum," he glances sideways at Rep. Soriya, "to install a constitutional monarchy government to power. If Queen Inshirah will not resume the throne and has no suitable heir to take her place, we would request that Aursi hold elections to appoint her successor as soon as possible. At the very least, we would ask that Aursi hold another referendum to decide what form of government they will have moving forward."
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Postby Mitheldalond » Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:48 am

Janpia wrote:... The voter turnout rates as infact, suspicious to the point that the election results are all majority support for the monarch. And as stated on the treaty, no dictatorship nor anything is allowed. The attack is just to ensure that the treaty was followed. If anything else, I'm done entertaining your childish feinds"[/i]

Rep. Unya then faces the Aursian representative

Rep. Unya:"I believe that the agreement as stated in the backrooms to kick the Marajarbians out must follow. For one, they have no contributions nor any participation in the war."

Janpia wrote:
Aursi wrote:Serik Ulyanov: ❝Okay, so give me proofs that We were the one to break the treaty, not you. If you are able to proof, then no need to apologize.❞


Rep. Unya's tone suddenly went formal and more professional. Adjusting his seating position and his ties for a bit, he spoke up

Rep. Unya:"As I believe, the Article 6 provides it more clearly"

He then laid down a piece of paper

6. Aursi's first election will be held after half of the year, voted by every Aursian's hand. After this election, the president will be elected. The next election will be held in 4 years. The president is able to be in power in two terms only. independent parties, as long as they are not fascist or extremist, should be allowed to participate in the elections and elected to be the ruling party. If rightist parties win the elections, oversea alliances should have the power to verify if there is fraud in it.


Rep. Unya:"Now, this referendum is done while breaking away from Article 5. Which accordingly, the state government should and must be compromised of the communist party, the democratic party, and the united party, which comprise of independent, non-rightist parties. Neither did the upcoming monarch is part of it as so I've heard. Now, this argument can be further strengthened that the Article 6 stated that the form of government MUST be presidential and can only run for 2 terms only. That means, any form of monarchy is not allowed as stated"

"As Rep. Ulyanov said, only 56 million Aursians are old enough to vote. And per their own statements," Kingston checks his notes. "Over 20 million of them, or about 36%, did vote. This is a low voter turnout to be sure, at least based on the statistics of other nations; I don't have the figures for past Aursian elections with me, but this could well be a typical turnout for Aursian elections. By itself, it is not enough evidence to claim election fraud, and certainly not enough to justify an invasion of Aursi. Especially since no one even attempted to launch an investigation into the matter before starting the war. If you or any of the other would-be invaders actually cared at all about democracy or the Aursian people, you would have done so first."

He selects another document from his briefcase. "Furthermore, the Treaty of Aurtumn is, as we have said, so full of loopholes and contradictions as to be unenforceable in the first place. However, if we are to actually examine the document, we will find that it does not support your claims. Article 5 for example, states
The Aquaria wrote:Aursi shall never be an absolute monarchy again, nor a one-party state or a dictatorship
"
He lowers the document and continues. "An absolute monarchy, Rep. Soriya. Aursi's implementation of a constitutional monarchy does not violate this article. Additionally, you will note that Article 6 only provides for 3 elections in Aursi: a first one for some unstated purpose, a second one to elect a President, and a third one 4 years later. It does not state that the elections will continue every 4 years after this point, and all other provisions of Article 6 refer exclusively to the three elections specified. All three of those elections have taken place, and Aursi is no longer bound by any of the terms of Article 6.

Finally, based on the wording of Articles 1, 11, and 12, the Treaty would expire in its entirety either immediately after it was signed, or after a period of 5 years have elapsed. Both of these time limits have passed, and the treaty is no longer valid."

Edit OOC: Oh good grief. What the heck is going on now
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Postby Mitheldalond » Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:24 am

OOC: still haven't caught up yet, so I'm just addressing things as they come up. You people post too fast. :p
Janpia wrote:Completely ignoring the Marajarbians, he spoke to the Niranian representative

Rep. Unya:"Places no matter where, is still subject to pre-existing laws of international body or by moral questioning. We will put them on trial, as we put the Emperor of Marajarbia on trial"

"Absolutely not. Under no circumstances will we allow another abomination of a trial and miscarriage of justice like that debacle to take place. Niran will be tried in the CTAO court or not at all. Frankly, I think a trial is unnecessary, and doubt that Niran would cooperate with any ruling issued by the court anyway. I'd say that the loss of billions of dollars in ships and equipment, and the deaths of hundreds of sailors and a high-ranking political leader are punishment enough."

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
Janpia wrote:Rep. Unya:"After this meeting, I suggest we put the Niranians on war crime trials for utilizing suicide prisoner squads."


“With that logic, I suggest putting the Armenians on trial for their war crimes in “their” territory.”

Armenia's trial is already pending.

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
Janpia wrote:Rep. Unya:"Armenians are for other talks. As you may have know, this is for the Aursi-KTO war. So shut with your sly whataboutism. As for Niran, we will take you to the court. I believe the Mitheldalondians have also agreed with my statement"


"Then answer me this. If the Armenians withdrew, then why are they still here?"

"They aren't. They have to be represented in the peace talks because they are still at war with the Aursian Alliance. Retreating from battle doesn't end the war."

Niran wrote:"And who were you even thinking of putting on trial. The entire royal gathering? All of task force OM?! You must be absolutly insane if you think we'd waste that much time and energy going to your country and go on your COuRt. You have a problem go talk to Aurelleon and we'll proudly go to OEG court and not even be charged because everything we did is legal."

"The entire Royal Gathering most likely, assuming they are the ones that implemented or approved such tactics in the first place. Of course, since they are all protected by diplomatic immunity as foreign heads of state, they can't actually be personally placed on trial, so the trial would likely focus on Niran as a whole.

"But as I've said, the damage Niran has already suffered in the war and the denial of any reparations to be paid to Niran are, in my opinion, sufficient penalties, and there will be no need for a trial."

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
Janpia wrote:
Rep. Unya:"I'll actually be glad to leave. Since we have another plan in store, which can end the war quickly than sooner expected. But of course, this treaty in the first place has already been agreed upon, and from the backrooms, YOU werent supposed to be here. Plus, it would be dumb if you kick out the only active combatant and leaving you all alone don't you?"


"So your hellhole of a homeland will remain committed to the illegal war? Nice to see proof that KTO never wanted to negotiate."

"To be fair, they never said they wanted to. Peace talks were proposed by Wallowis."

Janpia wrote:Rep. Unya:[i]"In the first place, this place isnt a negotiation but a formal signing. So whatever cries you have, let it all out. Nothing is stopping Janpia to sign the treaty which has already been negotiated in the first place. ...

"This is very much a negotiation, and no such treaty exists until all parties agree to it. In its current form, Mitheldalond does not."

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Postby Janpia » Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:32 am

Mitheldalond wrote:
Janpia wrote:


Unya is still quite amused, from what he can already see as a child

Rep. Unya:"The payment won't even make a dent in any of the KTO economies. The payment doesn't even have to reach billions since for one, no infrastructure was damaged. And boy I do wish that I don't have my diplomatic license. Cause if that is true, I would've beaten you to pulp like the rest of the unnamed clones which I have read on my newspapers"

"That isn't entirely true. Some factories and other areas were struck by enemy weapons."

Janpia wrote:
Rep. Unya:"Its obvious you all want money in the first place, as since that is all your only demand...

"Would you prefer we demanded reparations in the form of land to be ceded, or occupation or subjugation of your nations, or the establishment of new governments, or limits on your military or on political freedoms? You demanded several of these things of Aursi when they lost the last war, and nobody would think it unfair if the Aursians and their allies now made similar demands of you and yours. Yet we have not done so, and have in fact been excessively generous in our terms already, and asked far less compensation than the actual damages we have incurred, and said nothing of punitive damages."

Kingston takes a sip of water before continuing. "And now that we come to the fact, reparations are not our only demand. We also wish for an amendment to be made to the KTO charter to prevent the KTO from engaging in any wars of aggression, or sending troops into any nation that does not desire their presence, in the future. This would not restrict the KTO from conducting a defensive war in defense of a member nation, or any non-member nation that specifically requests their aid."

He leaned back in his chair and adopted a more relaxed tone of voice. "In reality, this would mostly be a symbolic gesture, as the amendment wouldn't actually change anything in a practical sense. It only places limits on the KTO as an alliance, not on the individual member nations. Individual members would still be able to conduct themselves exactly as they do now, and would even be able to work together as a coalition, much as they have done in the Aursian War. They would simply not be allowed to do so under the banner of the KTO, and discussions for the formation of such a coalition would have to take place outside the KTO.

"On a final note, while Mitheldalond respects the right of Ariza Inshirah to abdicate the Aursian throne, we object to the dissolution of the whole government and the establishment of a new one. The people of Aursi voted, through a fair and democratic referendum," he glances sideways at Rep. Soriya, "to install a constitutional monarchy government to power. If Queen Inshirah will not resume the throne and has no suitable heir to take her place, we would request that Aursi hold elections to appoint her successor as soon as possible. At the very least, we would ask that Aursi hold another referendum to decide what form of government they will have moving forward."


Rep. Unya:"The first Aursian war is indeed the KTO being generous to the point that it allowed the Aursian state to maintain its way of life without Aursia, while KTO received ABSOLUTELY nothing at all in terms of compensations. Infact, we pay for the entire damages ourselves, and allowed the Aursian state to exist. Not that it matters here. But I believe a change in the KTO charter would be impossible, as only the KTO member-states themselves can change it. The very decisions of the KTO ultimately relies on the KTO itself, even if it is symbolic. That is what the Party envisions towards the alliance, being made with the centric idea of a near direct democracy. As for the factories or anything damaged, first off, the KTO is not in command that inflicted such damage, other than bandwagon of soldiers from different states who uses- per se- interesting tactics. We have no knowledge of their doings, and only receiving the reports very late. Second, any forms of monarchial attempts via referendum at Aursi, always results to a massive support, no matter who it is, to the point that it is suspicious or if anything, downright false. So no. Though following the Article 6, the Aquas have provided a long ultimatum for Aursians to get it right and to answer the investigation. And from what I've heard, there were also attempts to open up some back channels to tell their demands or investigation. However if I recall correctly, the Aursians didn't respond, and the provided ultimatum was followed."

Rep. Unya then grabbed a small water to drink, then proceeded

Rep. Unya:"And actually, if we didn't love democracy for the Aursians at all, then the first war would've resulted with a single party state, to which in my knowledge, is viewed as authoritarian and undemocratic. Though I may agree that the old treaty isn't quite fixed thanks to a certain someone filibustering it and then rushing it.."

He looks out for a bit, over to the dead Marajarbian clone, and continues


Rep. Unya:"Though I can still see that the Article 6 is clear. And that is the formulation of government of Aursi from after the war. It is pretty obvious that the 4 years, everything as stated on the treaty will continue"

Long live the Janpian Union of Revolutionary States!

5th Era


- NS policies ain't real. (No prison policy? HAA)
- Yes. I am your average tankie commie.
- Nation doesn't totally reflect my political views.(Damn you random policies!)
- No. I ain't no FT nation
- Check my military equipments. Worked hard on dem drawings
- Currently trying to improve my RP quality, and improving past pain write-ups
-My favorite past time read. Probably the reference for my deathstar. But I still swear that I'm not an FT nation
- Sometimes I wonder what am I doing with my export program
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Postby Mitheldalond » Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:48 am

Gralov wrote:
Countesia wrote:
Unbeknownst to the representative, the moment he stepped back into the room he had entered the direct line of sight of three snipers positioned on a rooftop directly opposite the conference room a few stories higher. A fourth soldier held a thick pair of binoculars, after a few moments he put them down and nodded to the fireteam leader as to confirm a positive ID on the Unnamed Marajarbian Representative

"Fireteam one, target confirmed to have re-entered the premises"
Their radio pinged a few seconds later, a sign that Fireteam One had acknowledged their communication.

Lurking a just meters above the windows of the conference room, Fireteam One quitely descended down the side of the building so their boots rested directly on top of each window frame. Fireteam Ones leader looked left and right to ensure his men were also in position. The other three met his gaze with a nod to confirm that they were ready for his signal. With one hand on the descender, he would gesture a countdown with his fingers all the way down to three, and then to zero. The moment he made a fist they swung away with force from the window frames and descended so that their boots hit the middle of the glass. Their momentum meant that the windows shattered with little force under their feet.

The second they hit the floor of the conference room they hit the release on their descender to free themselves from the rope. All of this took place than anyone in the room could fathom, but for the soldiers the adrenaline made the whole event feel much longer. Fireteam Ones leader was the first to shoulder his rifle and no less than a fraction of a second later he double tapped the trigger to put two rounds through the Unnamed Marajarbian Representatives chest. His other squadmates fired off their own shots mere seconds later, dead center on the Unnamed Representative
A SSN was already prowling along the Aursian shore, unbeknownst to the representatives in the meeting. They could only guess what would happen next.

"D.A-245 to CNC, CCM-008 ready to fire."

The radio crackles into life and responds simply.

"Granted."

After they get the permission from CNC, the submarine immediately raises a little. Crews onboard were preparing the salvos and was setting the coordinates quite in a hurry. They eventually tell the captain that all systems are functioning correctly without any malfunction. "Good, fire the salvo. Go deep then afterwards, don't let them know what came." After that, the submarine would then activate her VLS cells and launch five cruise missiles at the known location of the current meeting. After firing a salvo, she dives deep below, slows to less than 25 knots, and departs from the Aursian Coastline.

OOC: Gravlov was not involved in the war, and therefore does not have permission to post in this thread, unless you have already discussed this with Aursi. In which case, don't mind me. :) This should also be in the war thread, not the peace conference.

Also, the Aursian coast is being patrolled by Aursian submarines. You can't just sneak passed them without giving Aursi a chance to detect you.

Countesia wrote:
Southeast Marajarbia wrote:The representative would come back five minutes later.


Unbeknownst to the representative, the moment he stepped back into the room he had entered the direct line of sight of three snipers positioned on a rooftop directly opposite the conference room a few stories higher. A fourth soldier held a thick pair of binoculars, after a few moments he put them down and nodded to the fireteam leader as to confirm a positive ID on the Unnamed Marajarbian Representative

"Fireteam one, target confirmed to have re-entered the premises"
Their radio pinged a few seconds later, a sign that Fireteam One had acknowledged their communication.

Lurking a just meters above the windows of the conference room, Fireteam One quitely descended down the side of the building so their boots rested directly on top of each window frame. Fireteam Ones leader looked left and right to ensure his men were also in position. The other three met his gaze with a nod to confirm that they were ready for his signal. With one hand on the descender, he would gesture a countdown with his fingers all the way down to three, and then to zero. The moment he made a fist they swung away with force from the window frames and descended so that their boots hit the middle of the glass. Their momentum meant that the windows shattered with little force under their feet.

The second they hit the floor of the conference room they hit the release on their descender to free themselves from the rope. All of this took place than anyone in the room could fathom, but for the soldiers the adrenaline made the whole event feel much longer. Fireteam Ones leader was the first to shoulder his rifle and no less than a fraction of a second later he double tapped the trigger to put two rounds through the Unnamed Marajarbian Representatives chest. His other squadmates fired off their own shots mere seconds later, dead center on the Unnamed Representative

IC:

The four Mitheldalondian solidiers, still in the room as Mitheldalondian demands for armed guards to be removed had - fortunately as it turned out - been ignored, reacted immediately. Their M20 rifles were coming up and tracking for targets even as the intruders' boots hit the floor. Thumbs disengaged safeties and fingers tightened on triggers as shots rang out and the Marajarbian fell to the floor. A second later, the rapid crack of rifle shots rang out, deafening everyone in the room as a hail of Mitheldalonian 5.56x45mmS bullets blasted toward the intruders.

The team leader shouted something into his handheld radio, and Mitheldalondian forces across the city began moving toward the conference center. If nothing else, they would at least make sure any other members of the attackers' group didn't escape.

Alan Kingston followed the Aursian representative to the bunker.

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Postby Aursi » Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:31 pm

Mitheldalond wrote:
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A SSN was already prowling along the Aursian shore, unbeknownst to the representatives in the meeting. They could only guess what would happen next.

"D.A-245 to CNC, CCM-008 ready to fire."

The radio crackles into life and responds simply.

"Granted."

After they get the permission from CNC, the submarine immediately raises a little. Crews onboard were preparing the salvos and was setting the coordinates quite in a hurry. They eventually tell the captain that all systems are functioning correctly without any malfunction. "Good, fire the salvo. Go deep then afterwards, don't let them know what came." After that, the submarine would then activate her VLS cells and launch five cruise missiles at the known location of the current meeting. After firing a salvo, she dives deep below, slows to less than 25 knots, and departs from the Aursian Coastline.

OOC: Gravlov was not involved in the war, and therefore does not have permission to post in this thread, unless you have already discussed this with Aursi. In which case, don't mind me. :) This should also be in the war thread, not the peace conference.

Also, the Aursian coast is being patrolled by Aursian submarines. You can't just sneak passed them without giving Aursi a chance to detect you.

OOC: We discussed it. And he's bombing the peace hall, thats why I told him to post here. They are an ally of Aursi. So they were allowed to float around. Ig they suddenly became evil and wanted to do some fun.

Serik would see Alan Kingstone coming to the bunker, he would greet him, “Hello, definitely not the best place to talk. How's everything? Our SAMs are being fired to stop these.”
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Postby Countesia » Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:51 pm

"I've just lost vitals on Alpha 3, He's dead" Fireteam One Leader spoke over the radio as they reached ground level. They once again hit the release on their descenders and ditched the ropes, sprinting past the small crowd gathered around the gunshots and ducking into an alleyway, increasingly aware that the authorities will swarming the area in minutes.

"We carry on. He can't talk if he's not alive." Fireteam Two replied over the radio. "Are you at the fallback point?"

"Affirmative, where are yo-" Firetime One tried to reply before they were cut off by a van that came to a screech in front of them. The van itself was almost comedic, belonging to an artificial turf company it was covered wheels to roof entirely by astroturf. On the side of the van was the name of the company, but it was too generic to recall in the heat of the moment. Fireteam One instinctively reached for their holsters before the door slid open and the men of Fireteam Two stood to greet them.

"Get in. We're leaving" Fireteam Two's leader said as he moved aside to let them all pile inside. He barked an order to the man driving "We need to be anywhere but here"

And with that, the van kicked into gear and started driving down the other end of the alley

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Countesia wrote:
"I've just lost vitals on Alpha 3, He's dead" Fireteam One Leader spoke over the radio as they reached ground level. They once again hit the release on their descenders and ditched the ropes, sprinting past the small crowd gathered around the gunshots and ducking into an alleyway, increasingly aware that the authorities will swarming the area in minutes.

"We carry on. He can't talk if he's not alive." Fireteam Two replied over the radio. "Are you at the fallback point?"

"Affirmative, where are yo-" Firetime One tried to reply before they were cut off by a van that came to a screech in front of them. The van itself was almost comedic, belonging to an artificial turf company it was covered wheels to roof entirely by astroturf. On the side of the van was the name of the company, but it was too generic to recall in the heat of the moment. Fireteam One instinctively reached for their holsters before the door slid open and the men of Fireteam Two stood to greet them.

"Get in. We're leaving" Fireteam Two's leader said as he moved aside to let them all pile inside. He barked an order to the man driving "We need to be anywhere but here"

And with that, the van kicked into gear and started driving down the other end of the alley

Traffic was blocked around the city due to the gathering. Over 75 cars were following the running soldiers. They would see the Countesians get up on a comedic van. The 75 cars would break in two halfs. One half going another way to stop them and the other half chasing them. The chasers would shoot bullets at the tires of the car.
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Postby Countesia » Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:13 pm

Traffic was blocked around the city due to the gathering. Over 75 cars were following the running soldiers. They would see the Countesians get up on a comedic van. The 75 cars would break in two halfs. One half going another way to stop them and the other half chasing them. The chasers would shoot bullets at the tires of the car.[/quote]

The tires burst out, sending the van into a spin before it came to a grinding halt. The soldiers peered out the window to see the vehicles enclosing on them fast. Their getaway was all but spoilt

"Fuck, can't shake them, can we?" Fireteam One leader said.

"Nope" Said his counterpart from Fireteam two as he rummaged around his pockets.

"There's one less of Daniel Thomas's genetic abominations running around the globe, sticking its nose into international affairs to further the cause of its master. I'd call that a successful mission. Fireteam One said.

Fireteam Two Leader procured a detonator "A successful mission indeed. It's been an honour"

"You don't trust the cyanide implants?

"We have to be thorough"

With a glance, all of the men present bit down hard. Within seconds all were foaming at the mouth and convulsing. Fireteam Two bit down last, and then pulled the detonator. And with that the van went up in a fireball.

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Postby Mitheldalond » Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:23 pm

The Mitheldalondian soldiers rushed to the window after the intruders, but held their fire for fear of hitting civilians. The team leader reached into a pouch on his belt and pulled out a small tube and what looked like a beefed-up iPad. He pointed the tube out the window and pressed a button on its base, and with a small *thumph*, a Ninox 40 micro-UAV shot out the end of the tube and deployed itself in midair.

The leader tossed the control pad to one of his soldiers, who steered the small drone after the escaping assault team. The team leader meanwhile, had pulled up a city map on his phone and was using it, combined with the camera feed from the drone, to vector Mitheldalondian forces to intercept the van. Larger UAVs would soon arrive from higher levels of the force, and at the battalion HQ, a Sentry UAV was being armed with NAVAIR Spike missiles to take out the hostiles, if they could not be detained.

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OOC: asking where is the sub located? Cause if I can remember, I litered the place with passive sonar nets, and have ASW helicopters constantly patrolling the area

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Postby Aursi » Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:27 pm

Countesia wrote:
Traffic was blocked around the city due to the gathering. Over 75 cars were following the running soldiers. They would see the Countesians get up on a comedic van. The 75 cars would break in two halfs. One half going another way to stop them and the other half chasing them. The chasers would shoot bullets at the tires of the car.


The tires burst out, sending the van into a spin before it came to a grinding halt. The soldiers peered out the window to see the vehicles enclosing on them fast. Their getaway was all but spoilt

"Fuck, can't shake them, can we?" Fireteam One leader said.

"Nope" Said his counterpart from Fireteam two as he rummaged around his pockets.

"There's one less of Daniel Thomas's genetic abominations running around the globe, sticking its nose into international affairs to further the cause of its master. I'd call that a successful mission. Fireteam One said.

Fireteam Two Leader procured a detonator "A successful mission indeed. It's been an honour"

"You don't trust the cyanide implants?

"We have to be thorough"

With a glance, all of the men present bit down hard. Within seconds all were foaming at the mouth and convulsing. Fireteam Two bit down last, and then pulled the detonator. And with that the van went up in a fireball.[/quote]
Aursian Cars saw the van going up in a fireball. It was identified that the soldiers were Countesians, but the culprits couldn't be catched. The policemen would examine the remains, which was almost all ashes and fire, and give them to the Post Mortem to be examined further. They wanted to see if anything more could be identified
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Postby The Military State of the Galapagos » Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:33 pm

Will Dominik: “Well some Margey bigwig will send another one to this conference and we will end up right back into the same situation as before. We might as well get some stuff done before ol Marge returns. What’s on the negotiating table right now.” Said will as he took his shot glass and filled it with a light beer from the Preu province. “After all its no big loss I doubt the Marges even have souls much less family’s back home to mourn em.”
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Postby Aursi » Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:35 pm

Gralov wrote:
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Unbeknownst to the representative, the moment he stepped back into the room he had entered the direct line of sight of three snipers positioned on a rooftop directly opposite the conference room a few stories higher. A fourth soldier held a thick pair of binoculars, after a few moments he put them down and nodded to the fireteam leader as to confirm a positive ID on the Unnamed Marajarbian Representative

"Fireteam one, target confirmed to have re-entered the premises"
Their radio pinged a few seconds later, a sign that Fireteam One had acknowledged their communication.

Lurking a just meters above the windows of the conference room, Fireteam One quitely descended down the side of the building so their boots rested directly on top of each window frame. Fireteam Ones leader looked left and right to ensure his men were also in position. The other three met his gaze with a nod to confirm that they were ready for his signal. With one hand on the descender, he would gesture a countdown with his fingers all the way down to three, and then to zero. The moment he made a fist they swung away with force from the window frames and descended so that their boots hit the middle of the glass. Their momentum meant that the windows shattered with little force under their feet.

The second they hit the floor of the conference room they hit the release on their descender to free themselves from the rope. All of this took place than anyone in the room could fathom, but for the soldiers the adrenaline made the whole event feel much longer. Fireteam Ones leader was the first to shoulder his rifle and no less than a fraction of a second later he double tapped the trigger to put two rounds through the Unnamed Marajarbian Representatives chest. His other squadmates fired off their own shots mere seconds later, dead center on the Unnamed Representative


A SSN was already prowling along the Aursian shore, unbeknownst to the representatives in the meeting. They could only guess what would happen next.

"D.A-245 to CNC, CCM-008 ready to fire."

The radio crackles into life and responds simply.

"Granted."

After they get the permission from CNC, the submarine immediately raises a little. Crews onboard were preparing the salvos and was setting the coordinates quite in a hurry. They eventually tell the captain that all systems are functioning correctly without any malfunction. "Good, fire the salvo. Go deep then afterwards, don't let them know what came." After that, the submarine would then activate her VLS cells and launch five cruise missiles at the known location of the current meeting. After firing a salvo, she dives deep below, slows to less than 25 knots, and departs from the Aursian Coastline.

OOC: Guys, we're getting bombed.
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Postby Aursi » Thu Oct 06, 2022 9:27 am

Aursian Chancellor, Serik Ulyanov would come out of the bunker after everything was clear, but he would get another warning saying there has been a missile launched at the conference hall. He would still go to the hall to discuss something, something very important.

Serik Ulyanov: "We have a strange suggestion. Aursian Princess Mrinmoy marries Imperial Clan member Prince Sanehito of Nifonese Empire. Then, Aursi becomes a Constitutional monarchy with Mrinmoy being the queen and Prince Sanehito a Prince or King-Consort. How does this sound?"
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Postby Mitheldalond » Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:52 pm

The King Isle wrote:"Everyone, chill. No one lost and no one won the War.

In response to Aursi:

We have begun the transfer of the money.


I shall present a treaty soon"

"The KTO coalition has lost more than 60 ships and several dozen aircraft at least, probably more. By our calculations, over 30,000 KTO soldiers and sailors have lost their lives, and somewhere on the order of 10,000 more are now POWs.

"The Aursian Alliance has lost two ships belonging to the Niranians, maybe a couple dozen aircraft, and has taken fewer than 1000 casualties.

"If that isn't the definition of your side losing and our side winning, then I don't know what is."

Janpia wrote:Rep. Unya:"I see that there are some few anomalies here. For one, it is stated that you have used more than 200 missiles, when in fact, none were launched against us,

Kingston squints at his watch, which is difficult to see in the light of the bunker. "Well, I'm sure you'll hear about it soon enough."

Janpia wrote: As for the second, it seems.... exaggerated when it comes to usage.

"The only numbers in question are the ones that have already been marked as such. And those are low estimates."

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Janpia wrote:In fact, some KTO states lost a few valuable assets such as the Armenians, or from would say, events like the merciless attacks against defenseless Countesians"

"I don't know what lies your government has been feeding you, but I have already explained to you that the Countesians were never attacked after the initial engagement with their fleet. You can ask their government, or the 4000-some survivors we rescued, if you don't believe me. I have already asked you not to slander our brave men and women who risked their own lives to save those of your coalition.

"What KTO states have lost doesn't matter. The losing side in a war doesn't get to demand reparations, especially when they were the aggressors."

Janpia wrote:Rep. Unya:"The first Aursian war is indeed the KTO being generous to the point that it allowed the Aursian state to maintain its way of life without Aursia, while KTO received ABSOLUTELY nothing at all in terms of compensations. Infact, we pay for the entire damages ourselves, and allowed the Aursian state to exist.

"It absolutely did not allow the Aursians to maintain their way of life. It changed their entire form of government, and forced them to give disproportionately high representation to a communist party nobody in Aursi wanted. But if those are the kind of terms you consider fair, then I propose a new set of demands:

1. Janpia will immediately abolish all traces of communism in their nation. From now on, Janpia shall be a capitalist democracy, and shall never again be allowed to follow communist ideals.

2. The current government of Janpia must immediately step down, and shall never again be allowed to hold a position of power in Janpia.

3. Janpia is not allowed to operate aircraft carriers. All existing carriers must be decommissioned immediately, and must be scrapped within a period of 5 years.

4. Janpia shall be subjected to Aursian occupation and oversight for a period of 5 years, in order to ensure compliance with the terms of the treaty. After that time, Aursian forces shall withdraw from Janpia, but Aursi shall have the right to send forces back into Janpia at any time to verify compliance."

Kingston clears his throat. "I'll work on preparing similar terms for the other KTO nations involved." He pauses. "Or, you could just pay $200 million and be done with it. After all, you've already admitted, and I quote:
Janpia wrote:Rep. Unya:"The payment won't even make a dent in any of the KTO economies.


Janpia wrote:But I believe a change in the KTO charter would be impossible, as only the KTO member-states themselves can change it. The very decisions of the KTO ultimately relies on the KTO itself, even if it is symbolic. That is what the Party envisions towards the alliance, being made with the centric idea of a near direct democracy.

"Fair enough." Kingston thinks for a minute. "Very well," he says, "then as soon as this treaty is signed, Janpia will put to vote a resolution to amend the charter. All KTO members who participated in the Aursian War will be required to vote in favor of the resolution. If that is still unacceptable, we will have no alternative but to require all KTO allied nations in the war to individually adhere to the terms of the amendment. This would be far more limiting to their international policies than an amendment applying only to the alliance."

Janpia wrote:Second, any forms of monarchial attempts via referendum at Aursi, always results to a massive support, no matter who it is, to the point that it is suspicious or if anything, downright false.

"Just because you don't like the results doesn't mean they're suspicious. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the reason Aursians keep voting in support of the monarchy is because that's what they want?"

Janpia wrote:Though following the Article 6, the Aquas have provided a long ultimatum for Aursians to get it right and to answer the investigation.

"Neither the treaty nor any other part of international law allows Aquaria to issue such an ultimatum. The Aquarians never requested an investigation, nor did anyone else. And the treaty does not give Aquaria or the KTO the right to invade Aursi even if they had refused an investigation. In fact, Article 12 of the treaty clearly disallows such an action."

Janpia wrote:Though I may agree that the old treaty isn't quite fixed...

"So you admit that the treaty isn't wholly enforceable, yet try to justify an invasion on the basis of enforcing it?"

Janpia wrote:"Though I can still see that the Article 6 is clear. And that is the formulation of government of Aursi from after the war. It is pretty obvious that the 4 years, everything as stated on the treaty will continue"

"It doesn't matter what is 'pretty obvious' to you. The terms of a contract must be spelled out clearly, because the legal standard is that any ambiguity in a contract benefits the party that did not write it. We are therefore required by law to interpret the treaty in Aursi's favor.

This means that Article 6 applies only to the three elections it explicitly mentions. It also means that the entire treaty expired five years after it was signed, and was no longer in force when the Aursians held their referendum. You therefore have no legal basis for this war whatsoever."
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Postby The Military State of the Galapagos » Thu Oct 06, 2022 5:21 pm

Mitheldalond wrote:
The King Isle wrote:"Everyone, chill. No one lost and no one won the War.

In response to Aursi:

We have begun the transfer of the money.


I shall present a treaty soon"

"The KTO coalition has lost more than 60 ships and several dozen aircraft at least, probably more. By our calculations, over 30,000 KTO soldiers and sailors have lost their lives, and somewhere on the order of 10,000 more are now POWs.

"The Aursian Alliance has lost two ships belonging to the Niranians, maybe a couple dozen aircraft, and has taken fewer than 1000 casualties.

"If that isn't the definition of your side losing and our side winning, then I don't know what is."

Janpia wrote:Rep. Unya:"I see that there are some few anomalies here. For one, it is stated that you have used more than 200 missiles, when in fact, none were launched against us,

Kingston squints at his watch, which is difficult to see in the light of the bunker. "Well, I'm sure you'll hear about it soon enough."

Janpia wrote: As for the second, it seems.... exaggerated when it comes to usage.

"The only numbers in question are the ones that have already been marked as such. And those are low estimates."

OOC: Every single munition in the table is accounted for in my IC posts, except the starred ones. The prices come from Wikipedia mostly, or elsewhere on the Internet.

Janpia wrote:In fact, some KTO states lost a few valuable assets such as the Armenians, or from would say, events like the merciless attacks against defenseless Countesians"

"I don't know what lies your government has been feeding you, but I have already explained to you that the Countesians were never attacked after the initial engagement with their fleet. You can ask their government, or the 4000-some survivors we rescued, if you don't believe me. I have already asked you not to slander our brave men and women who risked their own lives to save those of your coalition.

"What KTO states have lost doesn't matter. The losing side in a war doesn't get to demand reparations, especially when they were the aggressors."

Janpia wrote:Rep. Unya:"The first Aursian war is indeed the KTO being generous to the point that it allowed the Aursian state to maintain its way of life without Aursia, while KTO received ABSOLUTELY nothing at all in terms of compensations. Infact, we pay for the entire damages ourselves, and allowed the Aursian state to exist.

"It absolutely did not allow the Aursians to maintain their way of life. It changed their entire form of government, and forced them to give disproportionately high representation to a communist party nobody in Aursi wanted. But if those are the kind of terms you consider fair, then I propose a new set of demands:

1. Janpia will immediately abolish all traces of communism in their nation. From now on, Janpia shall be a capitalist democracy, and shall never again be allowed to follow communist ideals.

2. The current government of Janpia must immediately step down, and shall never again be allowed to hold a position of power in Janpia.

3. Janpia is not allowed to operate aircraft carriers. All existing carriers must be decommissioned immediately, and must be scrapped within a period of 5 years.

4. Janpia shall be subjected to Aursian occupation and oversight for a period of 5 years, in order to ensure compliance with the terms of the treaty. After that time, Aursian forces shall withdraw from Janpia, but Aursi shall have the right to send forces back into Janpia at any time to verify compliance."

Kingston clears his throat. "I'll work on preparing similar terms for the other KTO nations involved." He pauses. "Or, you could just pay $200 million and be done with it. After all, you've already admitted, and I quote:
Janpia wrote:Rep. Unya:"The payment won't even make a dent in any of the KTO economies.


Janpia wrote:But I believe a change in the KTO charter would be impossible, as only the KTO member-states themselves can change it. The very decisions of the KTO ultimately relies on the KTO itself, even if it is symbolic. That is what the Party envisions towards the alliance, being made with the centric idea of a near direct democracy.

"Fair enough." Kingston thinks for a minute. "Very well," he says, "then as soon as this treaty is signed, Janpia will put to vote a resolution to amend the charter. All KTO members who participated in the Aursian War will be required to vote in favor of the resolution. If that is still unacceptable, we will have no alternative but to require all KTO allied nations in the war to individually adhere to the terms of the amendment. This would be far more limiting to their international policies than an amendment applying only to the alliance."

Janpia wrote:Second, any forms of monarchial attempts via referendum at Aursi, always results to a massive support, no matter who it is, to the point that it is suspicious or if anything, downright false.

"Just because you don't like with the results doesn't mean they're suspicious. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the reason Aursians keep voting in support of the monarchy is because that's what they want?"

Janpia wrote:Though following the Article 6, the Aquas have provided a long ultimatum for Aursians to get it right and to answer the investigation.

"Neither the treaty nor any other part of international law allows Aquaria to issue such an ultimatum. The Aquarians never requested an investigation, nor did anyone else. And the treaty does not give Aquaria or the KTO the right to invade Aursi even if they had refused an investigation. In fact, Article 12 of the treaty clearly disallows such an action."

Janpia wrote:Though I may agree that the old treaty isn't quite fixed...

"So you admit that the treaty isn't wholly enforceable, yet try to justify an invasion on the basis of enforcing it?"

Janpia wrote:"Though I can still see that the Article 6 is clear. And that is the formulation of government of Aursi from after the war. It is pretty obvious that the 4 years, everything as stated on the treaty will continue"

"It doesn't matter what is 'pretty obvious' to you. The terms of a contract must be spelled out clearly, because the legal standard is that any ambiguity in a contract benefits the party that did not write it. We are therefore required by law to interpret the treaty in Aursi's favor.

This means that Article 6 applies only to the three elections it explicitly mentions. It also means that the entire treaty expired five years after it was signed, and was no longer in force when the Aursians held their referendum. You therefore have no legal basis for this war whatsoever."

“Just because you bankrupted your nation fighting this war dosent mean you can claim whatever you want. The KTO didn’t lose and if we wanted we could’ve escalated to the point of Aursi being nothing more than an irradiated wasteland like Cyprus. The most the Galapagos will pay you is a dollar and 5 cents and maybe a Paraguayan girl from the black districts. If you don’t have the money then maybe don’t try and fight for no gain. While maybe not well known thanks to Marge propaganda Janpia isn’t the only leader of the alliance, we have just as much say in how it’s run as they do.”
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Postby Aursi » Thu Oct 06, 2022 11:08 pm

The Military State of the Galapagos wrote:
Mitheldalond wrote:"The KTO coalition has lost more than 60 ships and several dozen aircraft at least, probably more. By our calculations, over 30,000 KTO soldiers and sailors have lost their lives, and somewhere on the order of 10,000 more are now POWs.

"The Aursian Alliance has lost two ships belonging to the Niranians, maybe a couple dozen aircraft, and has taken fewer than 1000 casualties.

"If that isn't the definition of your side losing and our side winning, then I don't know what is."


Kingston squints at his watch, which is difficult to see in the light of the bunker. "Well, I'm sure you'll hear about it soon enough."


"The only numbers in question are the ones that have already been marked as such. And those are low estimates."

OOC: Every single munition in the table is accounted for in my IC posts, except the starred ones. The prices come from Wikipedia mostly, or elsewhere on the Internet.


"I don't know what lies your government has been feeding you, but I have already explained to you that the Countesians were never attacked after the initial engagement with their fleet. You can ask their government, or the 4000-some survivors we rescued, if you don't believe me. I have already asked you not to slander our brave men and women who risked their own lives to save those of your coalition.

"What KTO states have lost doesn't matter. The losing side in a war doesn't get to demand reparations, especially when they were the aggressors."


"It absolutely did not allow the Aursians to maintain their way of life. It changed their entire form of government, and forced them to give disproportionately high representation to a communist party nobody in Aursi wanted. But if those are the kind of terms you consider fair, then I propose a new set of demands:

1. Janpia will immediately abolish all traces of communism in their nation. From now on, Janpia shall be a capitalist democracy, and shall never again be allowed to follow communist ideals.

2. The current government of Janpia must immediately step down, and shall never again be allowed to hold a position of power in Janpia.

3. Janpia is not allowed to operate aircraft carriers. All existing carriers must be decommissioned immediately, and must be scrapped within a period of 5 years.

4. Janpia shall be subjected to Aursian occupation and oversight for a period of 5 years, in order to ensure compliance with the terms of the treaty. After that time, Aursian forces shall withdraw from Janpia, but Aursi shall have the right to send forces back into Janpia at any time to verify compliance."

Kingston clears his throat. "I'll work on preparing similar terms for the other KTO nations involved." He pauses. "Or, you could just pay $200 million and be done with it. After all, you've already admitted, and I quote:


"Fair enough." Kingston thinks for a minute. "Very well," he says, "then as soon as this treaty is signed, Janpia will put to vote a resolution to amend the charter. All KTO members who participated in the Aursian War will be required to vote in favor of the resolution. If that is still unacceptable, we will have no alternative but to require all KTO allied nations in the war to individually adhere to the terms of the amendment. This would be far more limiting to their international policies than an amendment applying only to the alliance."


"Just because you don't like with the results doesn't mean they're suspicious. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the reason Aursians keep voting in support of the monarchy is because that's what they want?"


"Neither the treaty nor any other part of international law allows Aquaria to issue such an ultimatum. The Aquarians never requested an investigation, nor did anyone else. And the treaty does not give Aquaria or the KTO the right to invade Aursi even if they had refused an investigation. In fact, Article 12 of the treaty clearly disallows such an action."


"So you admit that the treaty isn't wholly enforceable, yet try to justify an invasion on the basis of enforcing it?"


"It doesn't matter what is 'pretty obvious' to you. The terms of a contract must be spelled out clearly, because the legal standard is that any ambiguity in a contract benefits the party that did not write it. We are therefore required by law to interpret the treaty in Aursi's favor.

This means that Article 6 applies only to the three elections it explicitly mentions. It also means that the entire treaty expired five years after it was signed, and was no longer in force when the Aursians held their referendum. You therefore have no legal basis for this war whatsoever."

“Just because you bankrupted your nation fighting this war dosent mean you can claim whatever you want. The KTO didn’t lose and if we wanted we could’ve escalated to the point of Aursi being nothing more than an irradiated wasteland like Cyprus. The most the Galapagos will pay you is a dollar and 5 cents and maybe a Paraguayan girl from the black districts. If you don’t have the money then maybe don’t try and fight for no gain. While maybe not well known thanks to Marge propaganda Janpia isn’t the only leader of the alliance, we have just as much say in how it’s run as they do.”

The Guards were again suspicious of the Galapagosian representative. They would come and say, “Sir, can we see your diplomatic passport and ID again?”
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Postby Janpia » Sun Oct 09, 2022 3:29 am

Aursi wrote:Aursian Chancellor, Serik Ulyanov would come out of the bunker after everything was clear, but he would get another warning saying there has been a missile launched at the conference hall. He would still go to the hall to discuss something, something very important.

Serik Ulyanov: "We have a strange suggestion. Aursian Princess Mrinmoy marries Imperial Clan member Prince Sanehito of Nifonese Empire. Then, Aursi becomes a Constitutional monarchy with Mrinmoy being the queen and Prince Sanehito a Prince or King-Consort. How does this sound?"


Unya:"I believe that there is a new development in the agreement. With a certain Nifonese being part of the constitutional monarchy

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- NS policies ain't real. (No prison policy? HAA)
- Yes. I am your average tankie commie.
- Nation doesn't totally reflect my political views.(Damn you random policies!)
- No. I ain't no FT nation
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- Currently trying to improve my RP quality, and improving past pain write-ups
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