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Janpia wrote:

Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:"Here and now, we want to announce the arrest and deportation of more than 3,592 Janpians, the deportation of Janpians goes on until tomorrow night, it is estimated that about 12,426 Janpians can be found throughout the territory until tomorrow"

OOC: Buddy, you cant control my characters.

OOC: Are the Janpians characters? if yes, sorry

Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:

Janpia wrote:
OOC: Buddy, you cant control my characters.

OOC: Are the Janpians characters? if yes, sorry

OOC: What they're saying is that you need to ask for permission to do things with their citizens. If not, that's godmodding.

The Neocontinental Empire of Piscatania wishes to join the document as a signatory, recognizing the internationally-aggressive, increasingly totalitarian, and seemingly marxist inclinations of the Janpian government as a threat to civilization.

- Peter Skalice, Foreign Minister of Piscatania

Guadalupador wrote:

Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:
OOC: Are the Janpians characters? if yes, sorry

OOC: What they're saying is that you need to ask for permission to do things with their citizens. If not, that's godmodding.

OOC: I always forget to continue reading the rules, but i even need permission for that? Thought it was just for attacks

Piscatania wrote:The Neocontinental Empire of Piscatania wishes to join the document as a signatory, recognizing the internationally-aggressive, increasingly totalitarian, and seemingly marxist inclinations of the Janpian government as a threat to civilization.

- Peter Skalice, Foreign Minister of Piscatania

The New San Andreas Republic commends the decision taken by the Piscatanian government as a noble one, particularly in their stance of anti-communism which we share. We hope to see your part in the enforcement of the BDS as we make those commies bleed red economically and we hope to see you in the talks about how to maximize its effectiveness.

The Aursian Government requests Non-Citizen Janpians to leave Aursi. Aursi has been sanctioning Janpia for a long time. And flights between the two have been rare. However, the citizens living in Aursi were allowed. Some were allowed to take Dual-Citizenship. But, the people living on VISA have been requested to leave the country in the next two months.

Aursi wrote:The Aursian Government requests Non-Citizen Janpians to leave Aursi. Aursi has been sanctioning Janpia for a long time. And flights between the two have been rare. However, the citizens living in Aursi were allowed. Some were allowed to take Dual-Citizenship. But, the people living on VISA have been requested to leave the country in the next two months.

"We fully approve of Aursi's decision, and we feel that this decision can strengthen our relations, we wish him luck in facing KTO's long-standing retaliation"

The Marajarbian Government commends the decision made by the Government of Piscatania, citing that “Every new signatory is one step closer towards a better world, free of a menace that only seeks to destroy.”

You guys do realize that it was SM who tried to nationalize my businesses when I was under his occupation right? So by joining the pact for purposes of containing communism you yourself is helping spread communism

The Military State of the Galapagos wrote:You guys do realize that it was SM who tried to nationalize my businesses when I was under his occupation right? So by joining the pact for purposes of containing communism you yourself is helping spread communism

Janpia is a communist state. By joining a pact to weaken their influence and the influence of several leftist allies of theirs, the BDS is indeed helping to contain communism. Furthermore, nationalising industries does not a communist make. Indeed, numerous industries in the NSAR are partially maintained by the state.

(OOC: Nationalizing businesses doesnt make you a communist, what? If this were the case, would you describe the UK's nationalization of industries in the late 40s and 1950s it becoming a communist state?)

New San Andreas Republic wrote:

The Military State of the Galapagos wrote:You guys do realize that it was SM who tried to nationalize my businesses when I was under his occupation right? So by joining the pact for purposes of containing communism you yourself is helping spread communism

Janpia is a communist state. By joining a pact to weaken their influence and the influence of several leftist allies of theirs, the BDS is indeed helping to contain communism. Furthermore, nationalising industries does not a communist make. Indeed, numerous industries in the NSAR are partially maintained by the state.

(OOC: Nationalizing businesses doesnt make you a communist, what? If this were the case, would you describe the UK's nationalization of industries in the late 40s and 1950s it becoming a communist state?)

He seized privately owned property and sent those owners to labor camps (if they didn’t escape) if that isn’t communist I don’t know what is

The Military State of the Galapagos wrote:

New San Andreas Republic wrote:
Janpia is a communist state. By joining a pact to weaken their influence and the influence of several leftist allies of theirs, the BDS is indeed helping to contain communism. Furthermore, nationalising industries does not a communist make. Indeed, numerous industries in the NSAR are partially maintained by the state.

(OOC: Nationalizing businesses doesnt make you a communist, what? If this were the case, would you describe the UK's nationalization of industries in the late 40s and 1950s it becoming a communist state?)

He seized privately owned property and sent those owners to labor camps (if they didn’t escape) if that isn’t communist I don’t know what is

Was it done on the basis of them being labor camps and in the name of communist revolution? Or was it done because it's standard procedure for a military occupation of a piece of land, particularly when the land's business owners have a history of slavery and therefore may not be appropriately trusted to run businesses without substantial change and reform of the land via said military occupation? If the nation doing it isnt communist, and doesnt do these actions in the name of communism, it's likely not communism. We'd appreciate if you stopped your nation's grasping as straws in attempt to depict us as misguided or hypocritical.

New San Andreas Republic wrote:

The Military State of the Galapagos wrote:He seized privately owned property and sent those owners to labor camps (if they didn’t escape) if that isn’t communist I don’t know what is

Was it done on the basis of them being labor camps and in the name of communist revolution? Or was it done because it's standard procedure for a military occupation of a piece of land, particularly when the land's business owners have a history of slavery and therefore may not be appropriately trusted to run businesses without substantial change and reform of the land via said military occupation? If the nation doing it isnt communist, and doesnt do these actions in the name of communism, it's likely not communism. We'd appreciate if you stopped your nation's grasping as straws in attempt to depict us as misguided or hypocritical.

With all due respect, if any other country had done such a thing your nation would be proclaiming them authoritarian communists.

You are not fighting a fight against communism, nor against slavery. Unlike Southeast Marajarbia, Janpia has made no effort to force their belief systems onto the Galapagos which, mind you, is a nation that joined an Arpasian led coalition in order to fight international slavery.

Aumbura wrote:

New San Andreas Republic wrote:
Was it done on the basis of them being labor camps and in the name of communist revolution? Or was it done because it's standard procedure for a military occupation of a piece of land, particularly when the land's business owners have a history of slavery and therefore may not be appropriately trusted to run businesses without substantial change and reform of the land via said military occupation? If the nation doing it isnt communist, and doesnt do these actions in the name of communism, it's likely not communism. We'd appreciate if you stopped your nation's grasping as straws in attempt to depict us as misguided or hypocritical.

With all due respect, if any other country had done such a thing your nation would be proclaiming them authoritarian communists.

You are not fighting a fight against communism, nor against slavery. Unlike Southeast Marajarbia, Janpia has made no effort to force their belief systems onto the Galapagos which, mind you, is a nation that joined an Arpasian led coalition in order to fight international slavery.

Typical pinko lies we see from a typical pinko nation. Authoritarianism, though something to be loathed and combated, may at times be necessary for a brief time when a region or area cannot appropriately be given complete autonomy over its own affairs or when a society left uncontrolled will degenerate. We ourselves are forced to create similar conditions on our holdings in the Senora Wasteland, for the people of New Venturas cannot be trusted not to support such factions as the slave-holding Legion or the drug-hoarding Fiends without temporary military occupation of their lands.

For the non-communist nations with the values we share, this is always intended to be a temporary period of reform and new management as the nation is slowly transformed into the free system of capitalist and free market enterprise. For commies, this state of authoritarianism is always the end goal, and it always remains as such. As for the fight against slavery, we consider any endeavor or struggle against any communists in any way a fight against slavery. After all, with few distinctions, communism IS slavery.

To whom it may concern,

Through decree afforded to me by the Office of High King and as Tycar of the City-State of Vails, I hereby declare my support for the moves by the Marajarbian Federation to preserve its Sovreign rights of self-determination without fear of foreign interference both politically and economically through the use of political force to control fair market activity by legitimate merchants and corporations. It is my hope that the Janpian government and by proxy the Treaty Organization its heads can come to an agreement to end cold hostilities.

Artisani wrote:

The Royal Noble Federation of Artisani

Office of the High King

To whom it may concern,

Through decree afforded to me by the Office of High King and as Tycar of the City-State of Vails, I hereby declare my support for the moves by the Marajarbian Federation to preserve its Sovreign rights of self-determination without fear of foreign interference both politically and economically through the use of political force to control fair market activity by legitimate merchants and corporations. It is my hope that the Janpian government and by proxy the Treaty Organization its heads can come to an agreement to end cold hostilities.

We appreciate your support, but we must ask of the High King and his Noble Federation of Artisani: can we count on your nation as an official signatory to the BDS against Janpia, and will you be gracious enough to send a delegation to the official talks occuring inside Marajarbia about how to best coordinate our actions against the KTO and Jarbia specifically?

New San Andreas Republic wrote:

Aumbura wrote:
With all due respect, if any other country had done such a thing your nation would be proclaiming them authoritarian communists.

You are not fighting a fight against communism, nor against slavery. Unlike Southeast Marajarbia, Janpia has made no effort to force their belief systems onto the Galapagos which, mind you, is a nation that joined an Arpasian led coalition in order to fight international slavery.

Typical pinko lies we see from a typical pinko nation. Authoritarianism, though something to be loathed and combated, may at times be necessary for a brief time when a region or area cannot appropriately be given complete autonomy over its own affairs or when a society left uncontrolled will degenerate. We ourselves are forced to create similar conditions on our holdings in the Senora Wasteland, for the people of New Venturas cannot be trusted not to support such factions as the slave-holding Legion or the drug-hoarding Fiends without temporary military occupation of their lands.

For the non-communist nations with the values we share, this is always intended to be a temporary period of reform and new management as the nation is slowly transformed into the free system of capitalist and free market enterprise. For commies, this state of authoritarianism is always the end goal, and it always remains as such. As for the fight against slavery, we consider any endeavor or struggle against any communists in any way a fight against slavery. After all, with few distinctions, communism IS slavery.

Your country possesses no desire to bring an end to authoritarianism. If you did, you wouldn't align yourself with nations like Muqaddasia. You simply wish to install your own curated brand of authoritarianism, and you have no qualms with oppressing free-loving, sovereign nations in order to do so. Socialism has been, and always will be, the system of the people. Nations like Aumbura, Janpia, and the honorable Aquaria have demonstrated more freedom for their citizens under collectivist rule than your smog-laden hellscape of a country could conjure up in 100 beaver years.

Aumbura wrote:

New San Andreas Republic wrote:
Typical pinko lies we see from a typical pinko nation. Authoritarianism, though something to be loathed and combated, may at times be necessary for a brief time when a region or area cannot appropriately be given complete autonomy over its own affairs or when a society left uncontrolled will degenerate. We ourselves are forced to create similar conditions on our holdings in the Senora Wasteland, for the people of New Venturas cannot be trusted not to support such factions as the slave-holding Legion or the drug-hoarding Fiends without temporary military occupation of their lands.

For the non-communist nations with the values we share, this is always intended to be a temporary period of reform and new management as the nation is slowly transformed into the free system of capitalist and free market enterprise. For commies, this state of authoritarianism is always the end goal, and it always remains as such. As for the fight against slavery, we consider any endeavor or struggle against any communists in any way a fight against slavery. After all, with few distinctions, communism IS slavery.

Your country possesses no desire to bring an end to authoritarianism. If you did, you wouldn't align yourself with nations like Muqaddasia. You simply wish to install your own curated brand of authoritarianism, and you have no qualms with oppressing free-loving, sovereign nations in order to do so. Socialism has been, and always will be, the system of the people. Nations like Aumbura, Janpia, and the honorable Aquaria have demonstrated more freedom for their citizens under collectivist rule than your smog-laden hellscape of a country could conjure up in 100 beaver years.

You see socialism, we see the long forgotten land of China, which under its cruel brand of communism destroyed both the world at large and the former land of America on which our nation stands. Even our brand of capitalism, damaged, fractured and unstable from the uncertain conditions of our destroyed world remains more free and open than even the most prosperous, undamaged socialist state. Whenever a New Venturas citizen hands over an eCola cap to another for a Laser Rifle, that's freedom. When a person may make a go of it and own their own Brahmin-baron business, that's freedom. All fights against socialism, communism, and any other of its deformed and grotesque cousins are noble ones, and we for one will not see any other worlds or nations destroyed because you fail to see the proverbial Ozymandias ending in your socialist morals.

With the success of the summit at deciding a course of action, the Marajarbian Federation reiterates its demands for Janpian leadership to resign and go to trial, or for the repeal of the KTO’s anti-Marajarbia legislation.

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:With the success of the summit at deciding a course of action, the Marajarbian Federation reiterates its demands for Janpian leadership to resign and go to trial, or for the repeal of the KTO’s anti-Marajarbia legislation.

The Party simply refuses due to the lack of substantial claims or grounds. However, the slavery on Galapagos cannot be denied.

Aumbura applauds Janpia's decision.

Janpia wrote:

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:With the success of the summit at deciding a course of action, the Marajarbian Federation reiterates its demands for Janpian leadership to resign and go to trial, or for the repeal of the KTO’s anti-Marajarbia legislation.

The Party simply refuses due to the lack of substantial claims or grounds. However, the slavery on Galapagos cannot be denied.

In a statement, the Marajarbian Government states that “Phase Two will be harder for the Janpians to deal with.”

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:

Janpia wrote:
The Party simply refuses due to the lack of substantial claims or grounds. However, the slavery on Galapagos cannot be denied.

In a statement, the Marajarbian Government states that “Phase Two will be harder for the Janpians to deal with.”

In a press release, the Commissar of the Ministry of Economy and Trade (MEAT) has noted that the DBS document has unaffected Janpia in terms of economy, other than the fact that its exports was boosted thanks to the overwhelming support from various states such as Nifon, Gonswanza, Aumbura, Oceanians, and a lot of nations from within or outside the KTO alliance. Furthermore, not a single Janpian ship was interdicted by the DBS signatories, given the fact that the said vessels made no contact nor approach to the said states. The claims regarding about Janpian hegemony over the KTO is false, given that it has a democratic system, where every decision is elected by the member states. The Party reiterates that they have committed no crimes against humanity, and throughout its history, has never fired the first shot. According to a Janpian political analyst, the KTO proposal's goals and contingencies are overlooked, given that affected nations from the Marajarbian shipping interdiction are eligible for the KTO article III, which increases economic cooperation with the said state. Furthermore, the Marajarbian Government has committed war crimes at a fellow KTO founder, which prompted some of its members to push the said proposal. The Party wont stop unless the Marajarbian Government responsible for such acts were put on a free and fair trial.