Concord of Independent States (IC)

[North-American-State]

"For the most part, we're in favor with the proposed amendments to the CIS's Constitution, but if I may voice my suggestion, 4b has a repetitive statement, 'judges shall judge and manage' when it could be, 'judges shall mediate and manage'. This is to limit the scope of power for judges, as to prevent ripe abuse. Also, we think the Military Commissioner has too much power when it comes to the 'moderate power over nation's operations' portion, we prefer to run our military our way, but accepted support we would oblige."

"As for East Acornesian, if they are a full CIS member, we approve assistance as such"

"The Judge's objective is enforce the constitution to make sure that no abuses by resolutions, members or commissioners occur. They must have power to give out punishment and veto resolutions. They are the democratic replacement of the current powers given undemocratically to the founders.

If a CIS effort is to officially occur in a war then the military commissioner will be called to appoint a front commander(Like 5 star generals from WW2) and aid said front commander. Front commanders will organize CIS troops in said war in gaining objectives set out by the PC or General Assembly."

“What ‘punishments’ would the judges be able to dole out? Also, how are the Judges appointed? The Constitution currently only provides the appointment process for the Commissioners. Are the Judges counted under that?”

[Zarnicovia nova]

"The Judge's objective is enforce the constitution to make sure that no abuses by resolutions, members or commissioners occur. They must have power to give out punishment and veto resolutions. They are the democratic replacement of the current powers given undemocratically to the founders.

If a CIS effort is to officially occur in a war then the military commissioner will be called to appoint a front commander(Like 5 star generals from WW2) and aid said front commander. Front commanders will organize CIS troops in said war in gaining objectives set out by the PC or General Assembly."

“What ‘punishments’ would the judges be able to dole out?”

"For nations? Warnings, demotions, Suspensions and expulsions. Powers formerly hend in the founders will be exchanged to them. But if things get out of hand I should I will right a part saying with full founder consent founders may retake control. To prevent abuse."

[North-American-State]

“What ‘punishments’ would the judges be able to dole out?”

"For nations? Warnings, demotions, Suspensions and expulsions. Powers formerly hend in the founders will be exchanged to them. But if things get out of hand I should I will right a part saying with full founder consent founders may retake control. To prevent abuse."

“I will vehemently oppose the granting of that power to the judges. The powers of suspension and expulsion should be left to the founders as a group.

How are the Judges appointed? You provide the method for appointing the Commissioners, but not Judges.”

[Phenyzia]

"For nations? Warnings, demotions, Suspensions and expulsions. Powers formerly hend in the founders will be exchanged to them. But if things get out of hand I should I will right a part saying with full founder consent founders may retake control. To prevent abuse."

“I will vehemently oppose the granting of that power to the judges. The powers of suspension and expulsion should be left to the founders as a group.

How are the Judges appointed? You provide the method for appointing the Commissioners, but not Judges.”

"Agreed, judges are ultimately less reliable, it is the duty of the founders to ensure that CIS remains true to the ideals it represents."

[Zarnicovia nova]

"For nations? Warnings, demotions, Suspensions and expulsions. Powers formerly hend in the founders will be exchanged to them. But if things get out of hand I should I will right a part saying with full founder consent founders may retake control. To prevent abuse."

“I will vehemently oppose the granting of that power to the judges. The powers of suspension and expulsion should be left to the founders as a group.

How are the Judges appointed? You provide the method for appointing the Commissioners, but not Judges.”

"Judges can be easily replaced unlike founders. So, I don't see why there is a issue with giving it to the collective rather then the founders as a group. And talking about the founders, we only need Phenyzian permission and this resolution can be voted on, as the RI government has contacted me and informed me of their support."

It is the very same method just backwards. Judge nominates and needs either PC or 40% or more GA approval."

[Reich of the New World Order]

"I have spoken with the Prophet, we will not lose our powers. We rescind our support of the constitution.

[Reich of the New World Order]

"We propose that founders be given judge and Prime commissioner powers. The other four commissioners can appointed by us."

[North-American-State]

“I support this proposal.”

[Zarnicovia nova]

"We propose that founders be given judge and Prime commissioner powers. The other four commissioners can appointed by us."

"That removes all democratic powers of CIS and removes all powers from lower nations. We must assure the protection of the little nation through the rule of the little nation."

[Romanic Imperium]

"We propose that founders be given judge and Prime commissioner powers. The other four commissioners can appointed by us."

"That removes all democratic powers of CIS and removes all powers from lower nations. We must assure the protection of the little nation through the rule of the little nation."

How a boutique this the founders are basically a board of directors where if things go wrong we step in and correct it. But theirs a CEO of sorts and other positions are elected

[Zarnicovia nova]

"That removes all democratic powers of CIS and removes all powers from lower nations. We must assure the protection of the little nation through the rule of the little nation."

How a boutique this the founders are basically a board of directors where if things go wrong we step in and correct it. But theirs a CEO of sorts and other positions are elected

"Yes, that is my general idea. Founders will be able to accept and deny new members and can with 100% active founder support step in take control incase things go wrong."

[Reich of the New World Order]

"We propose that founders be given judge and Prime commissioner powers. The other four commissioners can appointed by us."

"That removes all democratic powers of CIS and removes all powers from lower nations. We must assure the protection of the little nation through the rule of the little nation."

"They are protected by the mutual defense article. We founded CIS not on democratic principles and i see no reason as to why we should move closer to them."

[Zarnicovia nova]

"That removes all democratic powers of CIS and removes all powers from lower nations. We must assure the protection of the little nation through the rule of the little nation."

"They are protected by the mutual defense article. We founded CIS not on democratic principles and i see no reason as to why we should move closer to them."

"We founded CIS on protecting the common ruler from tyranny and imperialism of the evil liberal democracies. We require to become somewhat of a united democracy to ensure that the common ruler may rule without our own tyranny and imperialism. We must keep the founders with checks and balances and we must keep the PC, HJ and GA under check and balances with the common ruler in-mind. Don't you agree?"

[Makko Oko]

"They are protected by the mutual defense article. We founded CIS not on democratic principles and i see no reason as to why we should move closer to them."

"We founded CIS on protecting the common ruler from tyranny and imperialism of the evil liberal democracies. We require to become somewhat of a united democracy to ensure that the common ruler may rule without our own tyranny and imperialism. We must keep the founders with checks and balances and we must keep the PC, HJ and GA under check and balances with the common ruler in-mind. Don't you agree?"

"We must compromise to not reenact the failures of GENA and KTO" Todd says with a serious tone and look on his face

[Zarnicovia nova]

"We founded CIS on protecting the common ruler from tyranny and imperialism of the evil liberal democracies. We require to become somewhat of a united democracy to ensure that the common ruler may rule without our own tyranny and imperialism. We must keep the founders with checks and balances and we must keep the PC, HJ and GA under check and balances with the common ruler in-mind. Don't you agree?"

"We must compromise to not reenact the failures of GENA and KTO" Todd says with a serious tone and look on his face

"We must decentralize power. GENA and KTO have become corrupt from the powers of Marajarbia and IHS and Galapagos and Janpia. We need a less top-down stragety.

I am currently contacting Phenyzia and the NWO over possible compromise to get the new constitution of CIS passed."

[Zarnicovia nova]

"Following a compromise with Phenyzia and Cult of NWO. I Jin Xin Li of Zarnicovia Nova will put this to vote.

Law of the Concord of Independent States
Resolution 0
-Constitution of CIS-

Proposed by: Jin X. Li of Zarnicovia Nova/AZNUP

Proposed date: 7/6/2022

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"To ensure national protection and peace ; but first law"

1;Passage of new resolution
1a; For a resolution to pass it must have majority(51% or more) support, for a resolution changing the constitution must have 66% or more support
1b; Any resolution must not infringe on a nation's right to govern itself. It may not force any policy or ideal upon a nation.

2;Elections
2a; CIS leadership will be elected every 4 weeks(IRL)
2b; No limit on number of people who may run on a single position shall be placed nor on the limit on terms however, no nation shall run for multiple elected positions
2c(1); CIS elections shall use a rated ballot rather then first past the post.
2c(2); Nations will vote like this:

Code: Select all

[box];[nation]{Nation name}[/nation] Ballot Vote for {election number} election;
[u]We vote for these canidates in order:[/u]
[list]-Nation 1
-Nation 2
-Nation 3[/list]
We comfirm that any nation not listed we do not want to vote for and that our ballot is comfirmed and final: [Strike]口[/Strike][/box]

3;Leadership
3a; The CIS Leadership shall have 2 elected positions(Prime Commissioner and Head Judge) and 5 appointed positions(Cooperation Commissioner, Military Commissioner, Diplomatic Commissioner, Judge 1 and Judge 2)
3b; Commissioners shall be automatically sacked after every election and must be reappointed or changed after every election, Judges will not be sacked after elections and must be manually sacked.
3c; To sack a appointed CIS Leader you must need 1 Judge's or Commissioner's approval and 40% or more approval from General Assembly
3d; To appoint a Commissioner the Prime Commissioner must nominate a canidate with their position and the Head Judge must approve or a majority(50% or more) of the General Assembly
3e; A country elected leader may not be an appointed leader and non-elected countries may have 2 officials appointed to leadership positions
3f; Founders shall only have special permission to accept and deny new nations into CIS as to keep the original nature of CIS intact

4;Leadership responsiblity
4a; Prime Commissioner shall appoint and aid Commissioners in their goals and Head Judges shall appoint Judges and do duties as a Judge
4b; Judges shall Judge and manage major disputes between members. Wether this be political or over wether certain resolutions break the constitution or go against other existing resolutions. They shall manage expulsions and other disciplinary actions.
4c; Cooperation Commissioner shall ensure that CIS members cooperate together in economic, scientific and peace-time military matters. Encouraging trade deals and managing voluntary policy resolutions. Military Commissioner shall organize members in war-time in all their operations. It will be the most powerful commission with moderate power over nation's operations to ensure victory. The Diplomatic Commissioner shall manage diplomacy with non-CIS nations and alliances and will manage diplomatic incidents until the first shot of war to ensure no over-escalation occurs.
4d; The Founders shall continue to control the entry of new nations into CIS to ensure standards and safety of new members. Founders shall also be able to oust The Head Judge or Prime Commissioner with 75% or more support for active members. They shall also run general day-to-day operations such as vote counting

5;Other
5a; An attack on one CIS member is an attack on all. All must join the defender or be punished by the Judges/Court.
5b; Member states facing a crisis or underdeveloped members are entitled to economic and military aid
5c; Members states are not allowed to declare war on each other. Breaking this entails expulsion and immediate starting of hostilities.
5e; Trade deals between members are to be fair to both parties.
5f; Breaking of any Articles will result in Judge's punishment.
5g; CIS shall shall not merge into any other alliance or international body.

;Resolution 0 -Constitution of CIS- vote;
Road to 75% approval
8-0-0
Voting will end at 6:50 7/7/2022

[North-American-State]

"Following a compromise with Phenyzia and Cult of NWO. I Jin Xin Li of Zarnicovia Nova will put this to vote.

Law of the Concord of Independent States
Resolution 0
-Constitution of CIS-

Proposed by: Jin X. Li of Zarnicovia Nova/AZNUP

Proposed date: 7/6/2022

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"To ensure national protection and peace ; but first law"

1;Passage of new resolution
1a; For a resolution to pass it must have majority(51% or more) support, for a resolution changing the constitution must have 66% or more support
1b; Any resolution must not infringe on a nation's right to govern itself. It may not force any policy or ideal upon a nation.

2;Elections
2a; CIS leadership will be elected every 4 weeks(IRL)
2b; No limit on number of people who may run on a single position shall be placed nor on the limit on terms however, no nation shall run for multiple elected positions
2c(1); CIS elections shall use a rated ballot rather then first past the post.
2c(2); Nations will vote like this:

Code: Select all

[box];[nation]{Nation name}[/nation] Ballot Vote for {election number} election;
[u]We vote for these canidates in order:[/u]
[list]-Nation 1
-Nation 2
-Nation 3[/list]
We comfirm that any nation not listed we do not want to vote for and that our ballot is comfirmed and final: [Strike]口[/Strike][/box]

3;Leadership
3a; The CIS Leadership shall have 2 elected positions(Prime Commissioner and Head Judge) and 5 appointed positions(Cooperation Commissioner, Military Commissioner, Diplomatic Commissioner, Judge 1 and Judge 2)
3b; Commissioners shall be automatically sacked after every election and must be reappointed or changed after every election, Judges will not be sacked after elections and must be manually sacked.
3c; To sack a appointed CIS Leader you must need 1 Judge's or Commissioner's approval and 40% or more approval from General Assembly
3d; To appoint a Commissioner the Prime Commissioner must nominate a canidate with their position and the Head Judge must approve or a majority(50% or more) of the General Assembly
3e; A country elected leader may not be an appointed leader and non-elected countries may have 2 officials appointed to leadership positions
3f; Founders shall only have special permission to accept and deny new nations into CIS as to keep the original nature of CIS intact

4;Leadership responsiblity
4a; Prime Commissioner shall appoint and aid Commissioners in their goals and Head Judges shall appoint Judges and do duties as a Judge
4b; Judges shall Judge and manage major disputes between members. Wether this be political or over wether certain resolutions break the constitution or go against other existing resolutions. They shall manage expulsions and other disciplinary actions.
4c; Cooperation Commissioner shall ensure that CIS members cooperate together in economic, scientific and peace-time military matters. Encouraging trade deals and managing voluntary policy resolutions. Military Commissioner shall organize members in war-time in all their operations. It will be the most powerful commission with moderate power over nation's operations to ensure victory. The Diplomatic Commissioner shall manage diplomacy with non-CIS nations and alliances and will manage diplomatic incidents until the first shot of war to ensure no over-escalation occurs.
4d; The Founders shall continue to control the entry of new nations into CIS to ensure standards and safety of new members. Founders shall also be able to oust The Head Judge or Prime Commissioner with 75% or more support for active members. They shall also run general day-to-day operations such as vote counting

5;Other
5a; An attack on one CIS member is an attack on all. All must join the defender or be punished by the Judges/Court.
5b; Member states facing a crisis or underdeveloped members are entitled to economic and military aid
5c; Members states are not allowed to declare war on each other. Breaking this entails expulsion and immediate starting of hostilities.
5e; Trade deals between members are to be fair to both parties.
5f; Breaking of any Articles will result in Judge's punishment.
5g; CIS shall shall not merge into any other alliance or international body.

;Resolution 0 -Constitution of CIS- vote;
Road to 75% approval
4-0-0
Voting will end at 6:50 7/7/2022

“I vote Aye on behalf of North America.”

[Makko Oko]

"And the difference is...what exactly? Looks the same as it did before, unless our people are as blind as bats. Makko Oko approves."

[Zarnicovia nova]

"And the difference is...what exactly? Looks the same as it did before, unless our people are as blind as bats. Makko Oko approves."

"It moderately increases the powers of founders by allowing a 75% super majority to oust a PC or HJ."

[Calamastan]

"Following a compromise with Phenyzia and Cult of NWO. I Jin Xin Li of Zarnicovia Nova will put this to vote.

Law of the Concord of Independent States
Resolution 0
-Constitution of CIS-

Proposed by: Jin X. Li of Zarnicovia Nova/AZNUP

Proposed date: 7/6/2022

---

"To ensure national protection and peace ; but first law"

1;Passage of new resolution
1a; For a resolution to pass it must have majority(51% or more) support, for a resolution changing the constitution must have 66% or more support
1b; Any resolution must not infringe on a nation's right to govern itself. It may not force any policy or ideal upon a nation.

2;Elections
2a; CIS leadership will be elected every 4 weeks(IRL)
2b; No limit on number of people who may run on a single position shall be placed nor on the limit on terms however, no nation shall run for multiple elected positions
2c(1); CIS elections shall use a rated ballot rather then first past the post.
2c(2); Nations will vote like this:

Code: Select all

[box];[nation]{Nation name}[/nation] Ballot Vote for {election number} election;
[u]We vote for these canidates in order:[/u]
[list]-Nation 1
-Nation 2
-Nation 3[/list]
We comfirm that any nation not listed we do not want to vote for and that our ballot is comfirmed and final: [Strike]口[/Strike][/box]

3;Leadership
3a; The CIS Leadership shall have 2 elected positions(Prime Commissioner and Head Judge) and 5 appointed positions(Cooperation Commissioner, Military Commissioner, Diplomatic Commissioner, Judge 1 and Judge 2)
3b; Commissioners shall be automatically sacked after every election and must be reappointed or changed after every election, Judges will not be sacked after elections and must be manually sacked.
3c; To sack a appointed CIS Leader you must need 1 Judge's or Commissioner's approval and 40% or more approval from General Assembly
3d; To appoint a Commissioner the Prime Commissioner must nominate a canidate with their position and the Head Judge must approve or a majority(50% or more) of the General Assembly
3e; A country elected leader may not be an appointed leader and non-elected countries may have 2 officials appointed to leadership positions
3f; Founders shall only have special permission to accept and deny new nations into CIS as to keep the original nature of CIS intact

4;Leadership responsiblity
4a; Prime Commissioner shall appoint and aid Commissioners in their goals and Head Judges shall appoint Judges and do duties as a Judge
4b; Judges shall Judge and manage major disputes between members. Wether this be political or over wether certain resolutions break the constitution or go against other existing resolutions. They shall manage expulsions and other disciplinary actions.
4c; Cooperation Commissioner shall ensure that CIS members cooperate together in economic, scientific and peace-time military matters. Encouraging trade deals and managing voluntary policy resolutions. Military Commissioner shall organize members in war-time in all their operations. It will be the most powerful commission with moderate power over nation's operations to ensure victory. The Diplomatic Commissioner shall manage diplomacy with non-CIS nations and alliances and will manage diplomatic incidents until the first shot of war to ensure no over-escalation occurs.
4d; The Founders shall continue to control the entry of new nations into CIS to ensure standards and safety of new members. Founders shall also be able to oust The Head Judge or Prime Commissioner with 75% or more support for active members. They shall also run general day-to-day operations such as vote counting

5;Other
5a; An attack on one CIS member is an attack on all. All must join the defender or be punished by the Judges/Court.
5b; Member states facing a crisis or underdeveloped members are entitled to economic and military aid
5c; Members states are not allowed to declare war on each other. Breaking this entails expulsion and immediate starting of hostilities.
5e; Trade deals between members are to be fair to both parties.
5f; Breaking of any Articles will result in Judge's punishment.
5g; CIS shall shall not merge into any other alliance or international body.

;Resolution 0 -Constitution of CIS- vote;
Road to 75% approval
5-0-0
Voting will end at 6:50 7/7/2022

"I will vote AYE on behalf of Calamastan"

[Makko Oko]

"And the difference is...what exactly? Looks the same as it did before, unless our people are as blind as bats. Makko Oko approves."

"It moderately increases the powers of founders by allowing a 75% super majority to oust a PC or HJ."

"In that case, still approve"

[Reich of the New World Order]

"I will make it clear that the Grand Unity support this resolution for the sake of alliance cohesion, if it fails to provide a useful governing body we will work on disbanding it and reinstating the old charter as a temporary one . I also want to ask representative Jin Xin Li as to why a democracy was accepted into CIS. "

[Makko Oko]

"I will make it clear that the Grand Unity support this resolution for the sake of alliance cohesion, if it fails to provide a useful governing body we will work on disbanding it and reinstating the old charter as a temporary one . I also want to ask representative Jin Xin Li as to why a democracy was accepted into CIS. "

"If this was considered democracy, we would've declined infinitively, but it's not. While there are elections and appointments, you can't do much else if you revoked that, and it doesn't stop the rogueness that we sought to destroy. The Makko Okoan Government is strongly against democracy, but in some cases, limited democracy, or even just voting you can call it, is needed to ensure a powerful coalition."

[Romanic Imperium]

"I will make it clear that the Grand Unity support this resolution for the sake of alliance cohesion, if it fails to provide a useful governing body we will work on disbanding it and reinstating the old charter as a temporary one . I also want to ask representative Jin Xin Li as to why a democracy was accepted into CIS. "

I would like to remind you that my nation also has some democracy. Certain versions of democracy are not bad.

[Reich of the New World Order]

"I will make it clear that the Grand Unity support this resolution for the sake of alliance cohesion, if it fails to provide a useful governing body we will work on disbanding it and reinstating the old charter as a temporary one . I also want to ask representative Jin Xin Li as to why a democracy was accepted into CIS. "

I would like to remind you that my nation also has some democracy. Certain versions of democracy are not bad.

"Your state is a special case, the one accepted is a full democracy"