Global Entente of Nations & Alliances OOC & Sign Ups

[Nitrana]

Full Nation Name: The Holy Archduchy of Nitrana
Head of Government: Prime Minister Novák
Head of State: Bohuslav VII of Žilina
Are you a puppet? If so, who?: no
Name of Representative?: Rep. Edvard Majovsky
Political Ideology of nation? (Communism, Capitalism, or Socialism?): Semi-Regulated Capitalism
What branch(es) would your nation like to be a part of?: Anti-Slavery, Liberty and Democracy, Unity and Stability
Reasons for joining GENA (Stated)?: I was a member of GCN, and want to be a part of such alliance again.
Reasons for joining GENA (Actual)?: same as above.
Will you follow the rules?: yes.

[Common Territories]

Our condemnation was not about any other alliance's views or condemnations. We don't care about you democracy based alliances squabbling nor do such events influence us in such ways. Imperion condemned GENA of its own free will, doing so because GENA failed to take any action while the situation was happening, and it failed again to even contact us after the situation. Normally if your organization made a mistake at some level the responsible authorities would make a call to deescalate the situation and apologize. This, in our opinion, was a total violation of the agreement we had made concerning deconfliction lines and the entire spirit of the agreement as a whole. As I've said repeatedly, we take threats very, very seriously, hence why we aimed nukes at all of you since we were left in the dark other than a GENA member preparing to fire nuclear weapons at us. If this had been a threat to deploy a naval force or perform an air strike, we would have conducted a preemptive strike or show of force. Imperion/SEC has existed solely to protect its members and it has done so through violent means through every step of the way.

The condemnation itself, however, was mostly egged on by the fact this nation - who almost brought your alliance into total nuclear war - only got a slap on the wrist. Well to us it didn't even look like that, it looked as if you supported his actions but had to keep face somehow by literally doing anything. But if you want my OOC opinion, demoting to observer for two days isn't even a punishment. It's a weekend off. If a member of the Coalition had done this exact thing, he would either be removed, servery punished, or we'd help them successfully bluff/strike their way to victory - when we go, we go all in. So you can understand hopefully why Imperion took this entire debacle as a straight up insult. It could live after such a nuclear scare, but seeing a group of nations it tried to have an amicable relationship with betray it in its eyes so blatantly totally destroyed any hope or trust that was starting to build.

True. But Phenyzia apologised and executed the person responsible, so I don’t think that expelling them would be very practical, you see?

That's a start, I suppose. And only a start. Did the world let bygones be bygones after WW1 then WW2 for Germany because their leadership was removed? A nation doesn't flip a switch and change overnight. And even if it does, it doesn't mean it did so for the better. Or how about another realistic scenario? Your wife gets caught in bed with another man and there's no mistaking what went on. She kicks out the dude she cheats on and says sorry. Do you just move on without so much as a second thought after that?

[Biladu Al Rafidayn]

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"True. But Galapagos apologised and and admitted they are responsible for the nuke and breaky breaky NAP, so I don’t think that blocking them from getting Churches would be very practical, you see?"

This is different. We are not giving Phenyzia anything, we are just not depriving him of anything.

Nitrana: Accepted.

[Biladu Al Rafidayn]

True. But Phenyzia apologised and executed the person responsible, so I don’t think that expelling them would be very practical, you see?

That's a start, I suppose. And only a start. Did the world let bygones be bygones after WW1 then WW2 for Germany because their leadership was removed? A nation doesn't flip a switch and change overnight. And even if it does, it doesn't mean it did so for the better. Or how about another realistic scenario? Your wife gets caught in bed with another man and there's no mistaking what went on. She kicks out the dude she cheats on and says sorry. Do you just move on without so much as a second thought after that?

The person who did the threats is not a representative of all of Phenyzia, as his execution proved

[Southeast Marajarbia]

Full Nation Name: The Holy Archduchy of Nitrana
Head of Government: Prime Minister Novák
Head of State: Bohuslav VII of Žilina
Are you a puppet? If so, who?: no
Name of Representative?: Rep. Edvard Majovsky
Political Ideology of nation? (Communism, Capitalism, or Socialism?): Semi-Regulated Capitalism
What branch(es) would your nation like to be a part of?: Anti-Slavery, Liberty and Democracy, Unity and Stability
Reasons for joining GENA (Stated)?: I was a member of GCN, and want to be a part of such alliance again.
Reasons for joining GENA (Actual)?: same as above.
Will you follow the rules?: yes.

Accepted. Welcome back!

[Janpia]

"True. But Galapagos apologised and and admitted they are responsible for the nuke and breaky breaky NAP, so I don’t think that blocking them from getting Churches would be very practical, you see?"

This is different. We are not giving Phenyzia anything, we are just not depriving him of anything.

Nitrana: Accepted.

This is different. We are not giving Galapagos anything, we are just not depriving him of anything. (aka churches)

[Biladu Al Rafidayn]

This is different. We are not giving Phenyzia anything, we are just not depriving him of anything.

Nitrana: Accepted.

This is different. We are not giving Galapagos anything, we are just not depriving him of anything.

Thing is, giving Galapagos the holy sites would, in fact, be giving him stuff that he never had, that no-one except the KTO wants him to have and that he doesn’t deserve

[Southeast Marajarbia]

This is different. We are not giving Galapagos anything, we are just not depriving him of anything.

Thing is, giving Galapagos the holy sites would, in fact, be giving him stuff that he never had, that no-one except the KTO wants him to have and that he doesn’t deserve

Guys, this isn’t the thread for this. Take this to TGs or to another thread.

[Common Territories]

That's a start, I suppose. And only a start. Did the world let bygones be bygones after WW1 then WW2 for Germany because their leadership was removed? A nation doesn't flip a switch and change overnight. And even if it does, it doesn't mean it did so for the better. Or how about another realistic scenario? Your wife gets caught in bed with another man and there's no mistaking what went on. She kicks out the dude she cheats on and says sorry. Do you just move on without so much as a second thought after that?

The person who did the threats is not a representative of all of Phenyzia, as his execution proved

We have the very same office in TECT. If they're the same in role, that person was the head of the Phenyzian government. You don't reach such an office without having power over the country itself; as explained, he did in fact have total control since the monarch was on his deathbed. To put it frankly, the second highest authority in a nation (acting as first in this scenario) SHOULD be representative of their country, especially if they're issuing diplomatic communiques with other powers in the name of their nation and title. If that's not the case, then Phenyzia is more insane than previously thought and observing basic diplomatic norms with them is futile. Regardless, it doesn't matter if said person represented all of Phenyzia. He represented their government, which controlled nuclear weapons, which were pointed at a Coalition member. You can pick literally any country right now and its leader and say some don't feel represented by said leader. Speaking as a Kaiserrech about another, we'd have no doubt in our minds they would fire if it meant protecting their realm/interests. Some will feel awful for their deeds, others wouldn't care. You threaten the Empire and its people, your empire and your people are fair targets. We'd have fired back and hoped every person within their nation, and yours in GENA, were dead and gone - most would either relish that fact or accept it. That is the reality when someone threatens to destroy your home and stomp on your interests. Insane or not, im sure the late imperial chancellor would think somewhat similar views. Though I suppose a super realist person who's also insane would be, in fact, a dangerous entity.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

The person who did the threats is not a representative of all of Phenyzia, as his execution proved

We have the very same office in TECT. If they're the same in role, that person was the head of the Phenyzian government. You don't reach such an office without having power over the country itself; as explained, he did in fact have total control since the monarch was on his deathbed. To put it frankly, the second highest authority in a nation (acting as first in this scenario) SHOULD be representative of their country, especially if they're issuing diplomatic communiques with other powers in the name of their nation and title. If that's not the case, then Phenyzia is more insane than previously thought and observing basic diplomatic norms with them is futile. Regardless, it doesn't matter if said person represented all of Phenyzia. He represented their government, which controlled nuclear weapons, which were pointed at a Coalition member. You can pick literally any country right now and its leader and say some don't feel represented by said leader. Speaking as a Kaiserrech about another, we'd have no doubt in our minds they would fire if it meant protecting their realm/interests. Some will feel awful for their deeds, others wouldn't care. You threaten the Empire and its people, your empire and your people are fair targets. We'd have fired back and hoped every person within their nation, and yours in GENA, were dead and gone - most would either relish that fact or accept it. That is the reality when someone threatens to destroy your home and stomp on your interests. Insane or not, im sure the late imperial chancellor would think somewhat similar views. Though I suppose a super realist person who's also insane would be, in fact, a dangerous entity.

So, because a madman in Phenyzia threatened to nuke you then my nation is a legitimate target.

And what else did you want us to do about Phenyzia? Declare war on them?

[Janpia]

We have the very same office in TECT. If they're the same in role, that person was the head of the Phenyzian government. You don't reach such an office without having power over the country itself; as explained, he did in fact have total control since the monarch was on his deathbed. To put it frankly, the second highest authority in a nation (acting as first in this scenario) SHOULD be representative of their country, especially if they're issuing diplomatic communiques with other powers in the name of their nation and title. If that's not the case, then Phenyzia is more insane than previously thought and observing basic diplomatic norms with them is futile. Regardless, it doesn't matter if said person represented all of Phenyzia. He represented their government, which controlled nuclear weapons, which were pointed at a Coalition member. You can pick literally any country right now and its leader and say some don't feel represented by said leader. Speaking as a Kaiserrech about another, we'd have no doubt in our minds they would fire if it meant protecting their realm/interests. Some will feel awful for their deeds, others wouldn't care. You threaten the Empire and its people, your empire and your people are fair targets. We'd have fired back and hoped every person within their nation, and yours in GENA, were dead and gone - most would either relish that fact or accept it. That is the reality when someone threatens to destroy your home and stomp on your interests. Insane or not, im sure the late imperial chancellor would think somewhat similar views. Though I suppose a super realist person who's also insane would be, in fact, a dangerous entity.

So, because a madman in Phenyzia threatened to nuke you then my nation is a legitimate target.

And what else did you want us to do about Phenyzia? Declare war on them?

Removing them from GENA is simple

[Thethen]

So, because a madman in Phenyzia threatened to nuke you then my nation is a legitimate target.

And what else did you want us to do about Phenyzia? Declare war on them?

Removing them from GENA is simple

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[Islamic Holy Sites]

So, because a madman in Phenyzia threatened to nuke you then my nation is a legitimate target.

And what else did you want us to do about Phenyzia? Declare war on them?

Removing them from GENA is simple

Except for the fact that they are one of the few people willing to combat your imperialism

[Janpia]

Removing them from GENA is simple

Except for the fact that they are one of the few people willing to combat your imperialism

Uhh huh. Didnt Phen threatened to exit out? A few? Boy I know ton of nations that want to fight me.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

Except for the fact that they are one of the few people willing to combat your imperialism

Uhh huh. Didnt Phen threatened to exit out? A few? Boy I know ton of nations that want to fight me.

No?

[Common Territories]

We have the very same office in TECT. If they're the same in role, that person was the head of the Phenyzian government. You don't reach such an office without having power over the country itself; as explained, he did in fact have total control since the monarch was on his deathbed. To put it frankly, the second highest authority in a nation (acting as first in this scenario) SHOULD be representative of their country, especially if they're issuing diplomatic communiques with other powers in the name of their nation and title. If that's not the case, then Phenyzia is more insane than previously thought and observing basic diplomatic norms with them is futile. Regardless, it doesn't matter if said person represented all of Phenyzia. He represented their government, which controlled nuclear weapons, which were pointed at a Coalition member. You can pick literally any country right now and its leader and say some don't feel represented by said leader. Speaking as a Kaiserrech about another, we'd have no doubt in our minds they would fire if it meant protecting their realm/interests. Some will feel awful for their deeds, others wouldn't care. You threaten the Empire and its people, your empire and your people are fair targets. We'd have fired back and hoped every person within their nation, and yours in GENA, were dead and gone - most would either relish that fact or accept it. That is the reality when someone threatens to destroy your home and stomp on your interests. Insane or not, im sure the late imperial chancellor would think somewhat similar views. Though I suppose a super realist person who's also insane would be, in fact, a dangerous entity.

So, because a madman in Phenyzia threatened to nuke you then my nation is a legitimate target.

And what else did you want us to do about Phenyzia? Declare war on them?

Yes. It is that simple. GENA would not have been targeted if it had used the established deconfliction line to alert it wasn't GENA but only Phenyzia acting rouge; only Phenyzia would have had nukes directly aimed at it then. Playing zero sum games gets zero sum results. At the end of the day, or even I'd say much sooner, your country's safety means absolutely nothing to us when compared to our own interests. This is what happens when nations agree to form military alliances too. They are tied to them and whatever actions they commit reflects on their allies. Not hearing a word back even after the dust settled didn't help GENA's position with us either. I don't know what you should have done with them either. People have made suggestions, but at the very least actually punishing them would have done resulted in Imperion and GENA still having relations.

[Janpia]

Uhh huh. Didnt Phen threatened to exit out? A few? Boy I know ton of nations that want to fight me.

No?

They did on the talks. He even said that he is the reason why he was able to hold off IHS or someting. Its on Yerevan OOC I think.

[Southeast Marajarbia]

So, because a madman in Phenyzia threatened to nuke you then my nation is a legitimate target.

And what else did you want us to do about Phenyzia? Declare war on them?

Removing them from GENA is simple

This is between myself, IHS, and Common Territories. Please refrain from involving yourself in this particular conversation.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

No?

They did on the talks. He even said that he is the reason why he was able to hold off IHS or someting. Its on Yerevan OOC I think.

He threatened to send 10 times as many troops?
Hold off me? What does that even mean?

So, because a madman in Phenyzia threatened to nuke you then my nation is a legitimate target.

And what else did you want us to do about Phenyzia? Declare war on them?

Yes. It is that simple. GENA would not have been targeted if it had used the established deconfliction line to alert it wasn't GENA but only Phenyzia acting rouge; only Phenyzia would have had nukes directly aimed at it then. Playing zero sum games gets zero sum results. At the end of the day, or even I'd say much sooner, your country's safety means absolutely nothing to us when compared to our own interests. This is what happens when nations agree to form military alliances too. They are tied to them and whatever actions they commit reflects on their allies. Not hearing a word back even after the dust settled didn't help GENA's position with us either. I don't know what you should have done with them either. People have made suggestions, but at the very least actually punishing them would have done resulted in Imperion and GENA still having relations.

So we punish them, then you say that it isn’t enough. When we ask you what is enough, you say you don’t know? You realise that it is not us who is the problem right here? And even when the guy is executed you still point your nukes at us because we didn’t do what we wanted you to do, but even you don’t know what you want us to do?

[Southeast Marajarbia]

They did on the talks. He even said that he is the reason why he was able to hold off IHS or someting. Its on Yerevan OOC I think.

He threatened to send 10 times as many troops?
Hold off me? What does that even mean?

Yes. It is that simple. GENA would not have been targeted if it had used the established deconfliction line to alert it wasn't GENA but only Phenyzia acting rouge; only Phenyzia would have had nukes directly aimed at it then. Playing zero sum games gets zero sum results. At the end of the day, or even I'd say much sooner, your country's safety means absolutely nothing to us when compared to our own interests. This is what happens when nations agree to form military alliances too. They are tied to them and whatever actions they commit reflects on their allies. Not hearing a word back even after the dust settled didn't help GENA's position with us either. I don't know what you should have done with them either. People have made suggestions, but at the very least actually punishing them would have done resulted in Imperion and GENA still having relations.

So we punish them, then you say that it isn’t enough. When we ask you what is enough, you say you don’t know? You realise that it is not us who is the problem right here? And even when the guy is executed you still point your nukes at us because we didn’t do what we wanted you to do, but even you don’t know what you want us to do?

IHS, Drop it. Don't try to be so hostile to a guy who we both respect who is only trying to give useful advice.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

He threatened to send 10 times as many troops?
Hold off me? What does that even mean?
So we punish them, then you say that it isn’t enough. When we ask you what is enough, you say you don’t know? You realise that it is not us who is the problem right here? And even when the guy is executed you still point your nukes at us because we didn’t do what we wanted you to do, but even you don’t know what you want us to do?

IHS, Drop it. Don't try to be so hostile to a guy who we both respect who is only trying to give useful advice.

His “useful advice” is to sacrifice my nation by alienating Phenyzia in order to save his own

[Southeast Marajarbia]

IHS, Drop it. Don't try to be so hostile to a guy who we both respect who is only trying to give useful advice.

His “useful advice” is to sacrifice my nation by alienating Phenyzia in order to save his own

Be nice to him.

[Southeast Marajarbia]

So, because a madman in Phenyzia threatened to nuke you then my nation is a legitimate target.

And what else did you want us to do about Phenyzia? Declare war on them?

Yes. It is that simple. GENA would not have been targeted if it had used the established deconfliction line to alert it wasn't GENA but only Phenyzia acting rouge; only Phenyzia would have had nukes directly aimed at it then. Playing zero sum games gets zero sum results. At the end of the day, or even I'd say much sooner, your country's safety means absolutely nothing to us when compared to our own interests. This is what happens when nations agree to form military alliances too. They are tied to them and whatever actions they commit reflects on their allies. Not hearing a word back even after the dust settled didn't help GENA's position with us either. I don't know what you should have done with them either. People have made suggestions, but at the very least actually punishing them would have done resulted in Imperion and GENA still having relations.

How about instead of just declaring war, we just extend their suspension from 2 days to about a week or so?

[Islamic Holy Sites]

His “useful advice” is to sacrifice my nation by alienating Phenyzia in order to save his own

Be nice to him.

Like he’s being so nice to us, pointing nukes at us and all

[Southeast Marajarbia]

Be nice to him.

Like he’s being so nice to us, pointing nukes at us and all

And yet he still is better than IFC, no? He at least is pursuing the more diplomatic route.