Global Entente of Nations & Alliances OOC & Sign Ups

[Aursi]

I rejected it, and we are both founders.

SM had already accepted it. And to add on, Talonica isn't An IC puppet. Therefore you have no reasonable IC reason to know its a puppet

Whose puppet are you?

[Biladu Al Rafidayn]

You didn’t post that, and you didn’t apologise.
It’s about the killing protestors

We didn't kill protesters. We haven't even killed anyone yet. And I'll apologise now

The banning protests

[Southeast Marajarbia]

SM had already accepted it. And to add on, Talonica isn't An IC puppet. Therefore you have no reasonable IC reason to know its a puppet

Whose puppet are you?

That’s The King Isle.

[New Roma Republic]

We didn't kill protesters. We haven't even killed anyone yet. And I'll apologise now

The banning protests

Killing protestors and banning protests hasn't been a problem for GENA historically, seeing that Phenyzia is still a member

Also you rejecting this nation from joining reads as such from an IC perspective: "I reject Talconica because a completely different nation that has no connection with Talconica invaded me."

The reasoning you are using is conflating IC and OOC, which must stay separate. So even if a player had a nation that invaded your nation, and said player at a later time makes a different nation (or even retcons (decanonized in your parlance) the old nation so the invasion never happened), that new nation never invaded your nation. Just bc some old nation the player used invaded yours does not mean the new one will.

IC =/= OOC

[Biladu Al Rafidayn]

The banning protests

Killing protestors and banning protests hasn't been a problem for GENA historically, seeing that Phenyzia is still a member

Also you rejecting this nation from joining reads as such from an IC perspective: "I reject Talconica because a completely different nation that has no connection with Talconica invaded me."

The reasoning you are using is conflating IC and OOC, which must stay separate. So even if a player had a nation that invaded your nation, and said player at a later time makes a different nation (or even retcons (decanonized in your parlance) the old nation so the invasion never happened), that new nation never invaded your nation. Just bc some old nation the player used invaded yours does not mean the new one will.

IC =/= OOC

Phenyzia was the greatest supporter of Muqaddasia during its war, I couldn’t exactly tell them to go away.

And you are completely misunderstanding this.
I rejected THE KING ISLE for invading me (now this position is reversed)

I rejected TALONICA for banning protests

[Janpia]

Killing protestors and banning protests hasn't been a problem for GENA historically, seeing that Phenyzia is still a member

Also you rejecting this nation from joining reads as such from an IC perspective: "I reject Talconica because a completely different nation that has no connection with Talconica invaded me."

The reasoning you are using is conflating IC and OOC, which must stay separate. So even if a player had a nation that invaded your nation, and said player at a later time makes a different nation (or even retcons (decanonized in your parlance) the old nation so the invasion never happened), that new nation never invaded your nation. Just bc some old nation the player used invaded yours does not mean the new one will.

IC =/= OOC

Phenyzia was the greatest supporter of Muqaddasia during its war, I couldn’t exactly tell them to go away.

And you are completely misunderstanding this.
I rejected THE KING ISLE for invading me (now this position is reversed)

I rejected TALONICA for banning protests

Phenyzia committed much bigger war crimes than Talonica, yet you let him stay. Ironic for you to say that you didnt accept him for that reason of arresting protest. Oh wait, Phenyzia already done that, and that's where he received his first condemnation

[Biladu Al Rafidayn]

Phenyzia was the greatest supporter of Muqaddasia during its war, I couldn’t exactly tell them to go away.

And you are completely misunderstanding this.
I rejected THE KING ISLE for invading me (now this position is reversed)

I rejected TALONICA for banning protests

Phenyzia committed much bigger war crimes than Talonica, yet you let him stay. Ironic for you to say that you didnt accept him for that reason

Maybe I wouldn’t have been so lenient if you didn’t invade me. Just something you might want to think about.

[Janpia]

Phenyzia committed much bigger war crimes than Talonica, yet you let him stay. Ironic for you to say that you didnt accept him for that reason

Maybe I wouldn’t have been so lenient if you didn’t invade me. Just something you might want to think about.

Uhh huh. ZN committed war crimes on my side, I throw him indefinitely to observer. Basically cant do anything other than observe. I also remember encouraging him to get out of the war or someting. You? You slap him in the wrist for 2 days. Talk about better governance yes?

Maybe you shouldnt have fired my ships in the first place

[Biladu Al Rafidayn]

Maybe I wouldn’t have been so lenient if you didn’t invade me. Just something you might want to think about.

Uhh huh. ZN committed war crimes on my side, I throw him indefinitely to observer. Basically cant do anything other than observe. You? You slap him in the wrist for 2 days. Talk about better governance yes?

Maybe you shouldnt have fired my ships in the first place

You weren’t being invaded, you were invading. The existence of your nation or the territory of your nation is not threatened.

Maybe you shouldn’t have blockaded

[Southeast Marajarbia]

Guys, take this argument to TGs or another thread.

[Janpia]

Uhh huh. ZN committed war crimes on my side, I throw him indefinitely to observer. Basically cant do anything other than observe. You? You slap him in the wrist for 2 days. Talk about better governance yes?

Maybe you shouldnt have fired my ships in the first place

You weren’t being invaded, you were invading. The existence of your nation or the territory of your nation is not threatened.

Maybe you shouldn’t have blockaded

Dont swerve the very topic on why Talonica isnt allowed.

That blockade is for jailing my citizens, which has no evidence other than a bag of money, the rest are only observers keen on starting shore front stores, and 2 only got to the riots itself. Plus, CRM is socialist which you only stated. What do you think is our response as a socialist nation, seeing socialist allies getting killed?

[New Roma Republic]

Killing protestors and banning protests hasn't been a problem for GENA historically, seeing that Phenyzia is still a member

Also you rejecting this nation from joining reads as such from an IC perspective: "I reject Talconica because a completely different nation that has no connection with Talconica invaded me."

The reasoning you are using is conflating IC and OOC, which must stay separate. So even if a player had a nation that invaded your nation, and said player at a later time makes a different nation (or even retcons (decanonized in your parlance) the old nation so the invasion never happened), that new nation never invaded your nation. Just bc some old nation the player used invaded yours does not mean the new one will.

IC =/= OOC

Phenyzia was the greatest supporter of Muqaddasia during its war, I couldn’t exactly tell them to go away.

And you are completely misunderstanding this.
I rejected THE KING ISLE for invading me (now this position is reversed)

I rejected TALONICA for banning protests

This still runs into the issue of the legal precedent of letting in Phenyzia. You cannot really reject a nation for banning protests when GENA allow in, and let to stay, a nation that bans protests and murders protesters

[Biladu Al Rafidayn]

Phenyzia was the greatest supporter of Muqaddasia during its war, I couldn’t exactly tell them to go away.

And you are completely misunderstanding this.
I rejected THE KING ISLE for invading me (now this position is reversed)

I rejected TALONICA for banning protests

This still runs into the issue of the legal precedent of letting in Phenyzia. You cannot really reject a nation for banning protests when GENA allow in, and let to stay, a nation that bans protests and murders protesters

Guess what, if you’re invaded you cling on to any ally you find.

You weren’t being invaded, you were invading. The existence of your nation or the territory of your nation is not threatened.

Maybe you shouldn’t have blockaded

Dont swerve the very topic on why Talonica isnt allowed.

That blockade is for jailing my citizens, which has no evidence other than a bag of money, the rest are only observers keen on starting shore front stores, and 2 only got to the riots itself. Plus, CRM is socialist which you only stated. What do you think is our response as a socialist nation, seeing socialist allies getting killed?

? I didn’t?

Really, now? I offered to free them in private negotiations way before the blockade. And the evidence was the sudden popping of these Janpians into Muqaddasia with one of their fingerprints on a suitcase full of money that is in Nouh’s clutches. And the CRM problem is:

CRM: *shoots and bombs people*
Muqaddasia: *kills CRM*
Janpia: WHAT ARE YOU DOING KILLING POOR SOCIALISTS AND CIVILIANS

[Biladu Al Rafidayn]

Guys, take this argument to TGs or another thread.

Ok, sorry

[New Aeyariss]

This still runs into the issue of the legal precedent of letting in Phenyzia. You cannot really reject a nation for banning protests when GENA allow in, and let to stay, a nation that bans protests and murders protesters

The problem is that international politics are about power and national interest, not about ideas and human rights. The last two are usually only brought up when it is convenient.

GENA's decision to let Phenzynia in may be disgusting from a moral point of view, but at the end of the day, it is just another geopolitical alliance of mutual benefit.

[Phenyzia]

This still runs into the issue of the legal precedent of letting in Phenyzia. You cannot really reject a nation for banning protests when GENA allow in, and let to stay, a nation that bans protests and murders protesters

The problem is that international politics are about power and national interest, not about ideas and human rights. The last two are usually only brought up when it is convenient.

GENA's decision to let Phenzynia in may be disgusting from a moral point of view, but at the end of the day, it is just another geopolitical alliance of mutual benefit.

Couldn't have said it better myself, if anything the true lesson the imperial government is going to take away from all this is to be more subtle in their methods and to become more effective at controlling information.

Some people do seem to have stronger OOC feelings over purely IC things on than they perhaps should.

Also Janpia you really need to chill out on trying to claim a morale high ground OOCly over someone's IC actions, it's starting to look weird.

[Janpia]

The problem is that international politics are about power and national interest, not about ideas and human rights. The last two are usually only brought up when it is convenient.

GENA's decision to let Phenzynia in may be disgusting from a moral point of view, but at the end of the day, it is just another geopolitical alliance of mutual benefit.

Couldn't have said it better myself, if anything the true lesson the imperial government is going to take away from all this is to be more subtle in their methods and to become more effective at controlling information.

Some people do seem to have stronger OOC feelings over purely IC things on than they perhaps should.

Also Janpia you really need to chill out on trying to claim a morale high ground OOCly over someone's IC actions, it's starting to look weird.

Thats what happens when some KTO states commit war crimes, and the entirety of GA flame it up about it, yet havent received the same reaction when GENA does it

[Phenyzia]

Couldn't have said it better myself, if anything the true lesson the imperial government is going to take away from all this is to be more subtle in their methods and to become more effective at controlling information.

Some people do seem to have stronger OOC feelings over purely IC things on than they perhaps should.

Also Janpia you really need to chill out on trying to claim a morale high ground OOCly over someone's IC actions, it's starting to look weird.

Thats what happens when some KTO states commit war crimes, and the entirety of GA flame it up about it, yet havent received the same reaction when GENA does it

Uh, should I point out Gonswanza has committed worse warcrimes than Phenyzia yet nobody condemns them or blames the KTO? While weirdly enough everyone instantly started piling up on GENA.

[New Roma Republic]

Thats what happens when some KTO states commit war crimes, and the entirety of GA flame it up about it, yet havent received the same reaction when GENA does it

Uh, should I point out Gonswanza has committed worse warcrimes than Phenyzia yet nobody condemns them or blames the KTO? While weirdly enough everyone instantly started piling up on GENA.

Shoot me the link to it in a TG, and I'll whip up a condemnation later

[Aursi]

Thats what happens when some KTO states commit war crimes, and the entirety of GA flame it up about it, yet havent received the same reaction when GENA does it

Uh, should I point out Gonswanza has committed worse warcrimes than Phenyzia yet nobody condemns them or blames the KTO? While weirdly enough everyone instantly started piling up on GENA.

Because many nations in GENA don't have them in canon.

[Phenyzia]

Uh, should I point out Gonswanza has committed worse warcrimes than Phenyzia yet nobody condemns them or blames the KTO? While weirdly enough everyone instantly started piling up on GENA.

Because many nations in GENA don't have them in canon.

I assume they're canon to all of KTO however, yet for some reason KTO still tries to claim a morale high ground over GENA.

[Janpia]

Because many nations in GENA don't have them in canon.

I assume they're canon to all of KTO however, yet for some reason KTO still tries to claim a morale high ground over GENA.

Indeed we do.

[Southeast Marajarbia]

Because many nations in GENA don't have them in canon.

I assume they're canon to all of KTO however, yet for some reason KTO still tries to claim a morale high ground over GENA.

It’s definitely weird for it to be claimed, but tbh KTO has ICly denied it is imperialist and warmongering as well, so a lot can be expected from that alone.

[Phenyzia]

I assume they're canon to all of KTO however, yet for some reason KTO still tries to claim a morale high ground over GENA.

It’s definitely weird for it to be claimed, but tbh KTO has ICly denied it is imperialist and warmongering as well, so a lot can be expected from that alone.

Not Imperialist and warmongering? Yeah, about that...do take a look at Gonswanza, Great Oceania or Galapagos.

I'd say Galapagos trying to annex the holy land from Muqaddasia is pretty clear imperialism.

[Southeast Marajarbia]

It’s definitely weird for it to be claimed, but tbh KTO has ICly denied it is imperialist and warmongering as well, so a lot can be expected from that alone.

Not Imperialist and warmongering? Yeah, about that...do take a look at Gonswanza, Great Oceania or Galapagos.

I'd say Galapagos trying to annex the holy land from Muqaddasia is pretty clear imperialism.

Galapagos doing that is imperialist, Janpia interfering in the affairs of IHS also is imperialist. The entire Muqaddasi-Janpian war was KTO warmongering. GO is literally Orwell’s 1984. The list goes on and on.