Global Entente of Nations & Alliances OOC & Sign Ups

[New Roma Republic]

Nukes are like human feet. You don't need 3,000+ to be concerned, just 3.

Exactly. Which is why I'm so baffled some IFC members seem so eager to invade nuclear powers. I mean I'm all for a cold war and proxy conflicts, that stuff is fun but I see no way an actual proper hot war would make sense.

I'm not sure we want to. Contest at sea, do some proxy wars, sure. But actual full on invasion? Nah

[Phenyzia]

Exactly. Which is why I'm so baffled some IFC members seem so eager to invade nuclear powers. I mean I'm all for a cold war and proxy conflicts, that stuff is fun but I see no way an actual proper hot war would make sense.

I'm not sure we want to. Contest at sea, do some proxy wars, sure. But actual full on invasion? Nah

Some of your members do seem quite eager to despite a reformer just assuming power and ordering dozens of arrests. I'm all for proxy wars however and might set up something for that in north africa in the coming days if there's interest.

[New Aeyariss]

I need to also point out that due to being a member of Imperion, the Empire of Greater Nifon will be severing all negotiations it had with Phenzynia.

[New Roma Republic]

I'm not sure we want to. Contest at sea, do some proxy wars, sure. But actual full on invasion? Nah

Some of your members do seem quite eager to despite a reformer just assuming power and ordering dozens of arrests. I'm all for proxy wars however and might set up something for that in north africa in the coming days if there's interest.

A reformer just taking power won't automatically change nation's views. It will take time for trust to be built

[Guadalupador]

I'm not sure we want to. Contest at sea, do some proxy wars, sure. But actual full on invasion? Nah

Some of your members do seem quite eager to despite a reformer just assuming power and ordering dozens of arrests. I'm all for proxy wars however and might set up something for that in north africa in the coming days if there's interest.

ooh that sounds interesting. any preview on what it is?

[Phenyzia]

Some of your members do seem quite eager to despite a reformer just assuming power and ordering dozens of arrests. I'm all for proxy wars however and might set up something for that in north africa in the coming days if there's interest.

A reformer just taking power won't automatically change nation's views. It will take time for trust to be built

Obviously, but some still pushing for invading a nuclear power did seem rather weird from my point of view.

[New Roma Republic]

A reformer just taking power won't automatically change nation's views. It will take time for trust to be built

Obviously, but some still pushing for invading a nuclear power did seem rather weird from my point of view.

Again, there is no serious talk about invading Phenyzia

[Romanic Imperium]

Obviously, but some still pushing for invading a nuclear power did seem rather weird from my point of view.

Again, there is no serious talk about invading Phenyzia

I mean their about to be right off my coasts

[Phenyzia]

Some of your members do seem quite eager to despite a reformer just assuming power and ordering dozens of arrests. I'm all for proxy wars however and might set up something for that in north africa in the coming days if there's interest.

ooh that sounds interesting. any preview on what it is?

Probably something along the lines of propping up a shaky dictatorship through arms deliveries, volunters and airstrikes to keep them in the Empire's sphere of influence.

[New Roma Republic]

Again, there is no serious talk about invading Phenyzia

I mean their about to be right off my coasts

What kind of ships are they?

[Romanic Imperium]

I mean their about to be right off my coasts

What kind of ships are they?

Their sending a war fleet

[New Roma Republic]

What kind of ships are they?

Their sending a war fleet

Are there amphibs in that fleet? No? Then there is no invasion.

[Romanic Imperium]

Their sending a war fleet

Are there amphibs in that fleet? No? Then there is no invasion.

I take special interest in warships especially if they are threatening to cut relations

[Phenyzia]

Are there amphibs in that fleet? No? Then there is no invasion.

I take special interest in warships especially if they are threatening to cut relations

To be fair closing off the Suez or Gibraltar is a surefire way to piss off just about everyone.

[New Roma Republic]

I take special interest in warships especially if they are threatening to cut relations

To be fair closing off the Suez or Gibraltar is a surefire way to piss off just about everyone.

Never thought Gibraltar would need to be FONOPed like the South China Sea

[Langenia]

GENA and this drama I'm seeing about nukes has awakened me from my slumber.

[Romanic Imperium]

GENA and this drama I'm seeing about nukes has awakened me from my slumber.

Noice

[Guadalupador]

To be fair closing off the Suez or Gibraltar is a surefire way to piss off just about everyone.

Never thought Gibraltar would need to be FONOPed like the South China Sea

That's because its generally agreed to be international waters.

[Romanic Imperium]

Never thought Gibraltar would need to be FONOPed like the South China Sea

That's because its generally agreed to be international waters.

We mostly let people through unless their a military threat

[New Roma Republic]

That's because its generally agreed to be international waters.

We mostly let people through unless their a military threat

I too like to break international law by preventing freedom of navigation through international water

[Common Territories]

No, no you didn't. Two days OOC suspension is a weekend off school, and you know it. I know full well what I want and am not saying it because GENA has already made up its mind it will never enact such policies. Plus im being polite in not asking you for what we'd do/demand in this circumstance. What good will it do if I tell you to boot him from this organization? Or demand he reimburse Imperion money for the wasted military orders that had to be issued? You're not gonna do any of that, are you? Will you take total control over Phenyzia and execute anyone above the rank of governor for their territories and remove all their nukes, giving them to us? No? Thought so. You should be aware what an empire or kingdom does to any nation, or anyone, who challenges the very existence of their nation. I don't believe for a single second you or most in GENA would ignore the fact we glassed Phenyzia and would refrain from returning fire. Only a fool would refrain from defending their ally in such clear circumstances.

It isn’t, actually. School isn’t a defence alliance.

You tell us to do what you want without telling us what you want, it’s kinda hard to do what you say, get me? I can’t boot him because I’ve got a war going on and we can’t force him to pay, the same way we can’t put democracy in their country. We cannot take them over because we’d be radioactive glass if we tried, and I trust you at the same rate as Phenyzia, maybe even less.

Then you see why it's pointless for me to make some sort of list of demands and why opting for you doing literally anything substantive was a better option for everyone? Oh you shouldn't trust us. You'd be fools to. If I've not been clear enough up to this point, trusting an organization that calls your type the enemy isn't exactly a winning maneuver if you ask me. Though obviously we see ourselves in this organization plenty given the overt authoritarian vibes - hence we know better and so should you.

And since im here, Im just gonna say this. No one really would use nukes in any of these scenarios unless their country is at risk of completely falling. Even then it comes back to MAD: Are you willing to hand over your existence so that the enemy can't have it? Is everyone under you also willing? Nukes aren't going to fly because China is attacked by the US, and same with Russia vs the US. That assumption is because nukes deter any war fighting, and in large part they do. But if two mutually armed entities go at each other, they stand to lose everything rather than win or lose something. Hence why none of you would actually use them in a thread if you truly valued each other's nations. There is too much value just to have it be utterly destroyed. Having the "no nuke" rule stops those who have no value and keep that worry of using them out of the heads of those who may have to use them. So TL:DR, don't use nukes unless you like the story ending for everyone involved.

[Sebrenskiya]

Again, there is no serious talk about invading Phenyzia

I mean their about to be right off my coasts

Unfortunately there is next to no invasion capability amongst the carrier strike group and support carrier groups deployed.

[Romanic Imperium]

We mostly let people through unless their a military threat

I too like to break international law by preventing freedom of navigation through international water

Yeah

[Janpia]

We are 100% fucked if we don't eject Phenyzia from the alliance. The IFC's making us seem like pariahs, and I don't think ANYONE wants a feud with them too. We've already got KTO to worry about.

I mean, thanks to the power of nukes they can't actually do much more than what they've done so far. Also I suppose I do not need to spell out that if I go the LIS goes as well and GENA is suddenly militarily far behind KTO.

It actually is from the very beggining so. The only thing you have is nukes. So LIS leaving doesnt change anything. GENA in general is weak.

[Southeast Marajarbia]

All IFC members are advised to take their arguments off of this thread and move it to Telegrams or another thread.