The Coming Storm (OOC/ATTN AFAASA/INVITE ONLY)

[Laka Strolistandiler]

@Arusi, I hope you don't mind, but I did mention already that planes have a combat range and this is something that needs to be taken into account.

For A-10, the combat range is only 400 kilometres. If you plan to attack Ukraine, I recommend that you ask Laka for permission to use Malta as an airbase, and use General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark instead of A-10 (since F-111 has reach of 2100 kilometres, and it is 1800 km from Odessa to Malta).

Thanks

We severely, SEVERELY advise against this. Ukrainian air defenses and interceptors squadrons are proving way more potent that in case of other slaver countries and we believe that trying to cosplay El Dorado Canyon will get you nowhere.

[New Aeyariss]

We severely, SEVERELY advise against this. Ukrainian air defenses and interceptors squadrons are proving way more potent that in case of other slaver countries and we believe that trying to cosplay El Dorado Canyon will get you nowhere.

Why thank you for the acknowledgement! That said, truth be told, there is no easy way to win at this point. Laka's current strategy is the most feasible choice, but even then - there are limitations.

Anyhow, according to the statistics, I believe that 40% of the missiles will be intercepted. 46 were fired in total, so that means 18 were intercepted, leaving 28 to hit, if that is OK with you?

Yagerenko will be furious. He will ask for German aid, but above all, he will order female and child slaves chained to important infrastructure buildings as human shields. He will then active 10 information warfare operations groups, with twofold aim. The first would be aiming at informing the pilots of anti slavery nation and showering them with photos of dead collateral damage, hoping to demoralise them. The second would be tasked with reaching the political opposition within AFAASA nations, hoping to give it ammunition against the current governments in form of collateral damage and sow discord among Ukraine's enemies.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Why thank you for the acknowledgement!

Anyhow, according to the statistics, I believe that 40% of the missiles will be intercepted. 46 were fired in total, so that means 18 were intercepted, leaving 28 to hit, if that is OK with you.

Yagerenko will be furious. He will ask for German aid, but above all, he will order female and child slaves chained to important infrastructure buildings as human shields. He will then active 10 information warfare operations groups, with twofold aim. The first would be aiming at informing the pilots of anti slavery nation and showering them with photos of dead collateral damage, hoping to demoralise them. The second would be tasked with reaching the political opposition within AFAASA nations, hoping to give it ammunition against the current governments in form of collateral damage and sow discord among Ukraine's enemies.

This is more than I’ve initially hoped for to break through so it works for us I guess.

Eh our military probably wouldn’t care. Historically they have had no issue attacking civilian targets because of our culture being very, very unrmpathetic and given women being viewed as relatively the same “value” while children are actually less “valued” here than adults our pilots wouldn’t probably care. It’s a very cruel country where human life has next to no value after all- and the political opposition would rather argue against missiles being wasted on non-essential targets rather than speak out against the civilian deaths

Also are conventional ICBM’s allowed? According to the fas document (which is he first thing you see when you google “conventional icbm”) he main issue with them is that an enemy might misinterpret launch as a nuclear one- and I hardly about that this will be an issue here.

[Aursi]

I can use airbase in Muqaddasia. Which is close to Ukraine. Won't that Work??

[Laka Strolistandiler]

I can use airbase in Muqaddasia. Which is close to Ukraine. Won't that Work??

It is hardly a question of where the attack comes from but rather their defenses. The only way I can see this work is by using all elements of a “non-nuclear triad”- all united in a single attack, however this will take A LOT of planning and cooperation.

[New Aeyariss]

I can use airbase in Muqaddasia. Which is close to Ukraine. Won't that Work??

Where exactly is Muqaddasia?

Also Laka, can I ask what assets and facilities do you have at Malta?

[Aursi]

I can use airbase in Muqaddasia. Which is close to Ukraine. Won't that Work??

Where exactly is Muqaddasia?

Also Laka, can I ask what assets and facilities do you have at Malta?

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=isl ... id=1527474

[New Aeyariss]

Where exactly is Muqaddasia?

Also Laka, can I ask what assets and facilities do you have at Malta?

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=isl ... id=1527474

With F-111 you ought to be able to reach Ukraine easily then.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

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Where exactly is Muqaddasia?

Also Laka, can I ask what assets and facilities do you have at Malta?[/quote]
4 concrete-runway airbases (2 operated by the Air Service and 2 by Navy)
There are also helicopter bases scattered around the island.
All of the air bases are equipped with hardened shelters, some of which are scattered around the island and are guarded by a battery of short-range SAM’s 9M337 Sosna, C-RAM battery and HQ-16 medium-range SAM battery. The naval airbase on the island of Gozo is even modeled after the Željava Air Base, partially being underground.
There is more than plenty of EW installations on the two islands, including aforementioned AEGIS Ashore and THAADS battery radars, however the island houses an early-warning Voronezh radar which is integrated with the rest of the defenses. Voronezh is usually turned off because it fucks over cellphone connections but since the beginning of the war it has been active, probably causing cancer but who cares. Both islands house a Rezonans-N long-range radar station, mainly intended to direct interceptors based on the island to their target. Also count in the battery radars of two S-400 batteries (60K6), a single S-400 upgraded to S-500 standards uses this radar too.
Air/missile defense facilities other than aforementioned stuff include several 9K330 Tor’s scattered around the islands, and a platoon (because SPAA’s here are organized in platoons) of 2S6’s, and a single battery of 98R6E missile defense system (remember that some of the marines intended to establish a beachhead in Odessa are now here alongside with their SAM systems).
Civilian infrastructure on the island includes water purification facilities, several underground food production units and a nuclear power station (which as you’ve probably guessed it also underground and purposely guarded by it’s “own” S-500 battery.

There is also a number of launch silos there (some are protected some are not)- some housing ICBM’s as well as EW unit. The missiles launched were mainly from road-mobile launchers which are quick to retreat into aforementioned shelters.

Also should I mention naval assets and space ones? Of course only projects that have been tested multiple times and cancelled primarily not because of technical failures but because of them being not needed (like the ASM-135 ASAT or the Soviet Istrebitel Sputnikov’.
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Where exactly is Muqaddasia?

Also Laka, can I ask what assets and facilities do you have at Malta?[/quote]
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=isl ... id=1527474[/quote]

With F-111 you ought to be able to reach Ukraine easily then.[/quote]
I say again that Aursi should not even attempt to attack Ukraine before anything is done about their S-400’s. Our radar picket sub will do something for you but other than that…

[Aursi]

Where exactly is Muqaddasia?

Also Laka, can I ask what assets and facilities do you have at Malta?

4 concrete-runway airbases (2 operated by the Air Service and 2 by Navy)
There are also helicopter bases scattered around the island.
All of the air bases are equipped with hardened shelters, some of which are scattered around the island and are guarded by a battery of short-range SAM’s 9M337 Sosna, C-RAM battery and HQ-16 medium-range SAM battery. The naval airbase on the island of Gozo is even modeled after the Željava Air Base, partially being underground.
There is more than plenty of EW installations on the two islands, including aforementioned AEGIS Ashore and THAADS battery radars, however the island houses an early-warning Voronezh radar which is integrated with the rest of the defenses. Voronezh is usually turned off because it fucks over cellphone connections but since the beginning of the war it has been active, probably causing cancer but who cares. Both islands house a Rezonans-N long-range radar station, mainly intended to direct interceptors based on the island to their target. Also count in the battery radars of two S-400 batteries (60K6), a single S-400 upgraded to S-500 standards uses this radar too.
Air/missile defense facilities other than aforementioned stuff include several 9K330 Tor’s scattered around the islands, and a platoon (because SPAA’s here are organized in platoons) of 2S6’s, and a single battery of 98R6E missile defense system (remember that some of the marines intended to establish a beachhead in Odessa are now here alongside with their SAM systems).
Civilian infrastructure on the island includes water purification facilities, several underground food production units and a nuclear power station (which as you’ve probably guessed it also underground and purposely guarded by it’s “own” S-500 battery.

There is also a number of launch silos there (some are protected some are not)- some housing ICBM’s as well as EW unit. The missiles launched were mainly from road-mobile launchers which are quick to retreat into aforementioned shelters.

Also should I mention naval assets and space ones? Of course only projects that have been tested multiple times and cancelled primarily not because of technical failures but because of them being not needed (like the ASM-135 ASAT or the Soviet Istrebitel Sputnikov’.

With F-111 you ought to be able to reach Ukraine easily then.

I say again that Aursi should not even attempt to attack Ukraine before anything is done about their S-400’s. Our radar picket sub will do something for you but other than that…

Who's S-400s?

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Who's S-400s?

Ukrainian. We also operate such systems

[New Aeyariss]

S-400 Triumf is a Russian long range air defence system capable of engaging targets up to 400 kilometres away if they are flying high.

To be fair, Arusian planes could attempt to bypass some of air defences by flying low. Ukrainian Air Force is frankly a bigger problem.

Truth be told, there is no easy way through the Ukraine's A2/AD system.

There is also the issue that Langenia is blocking the Gibraltar strait.

[Aursi]

S-400 Triumf is a Russian long range air defence system capable of engaging targets up to 400 kilometres away if they are flying high.

To be fair, Arusian planes could attempt to bypass some of air defences by flying low. Ukrainian Air Force is frankly a bigger problem.

Truth be told, there is no easy way through the Ukraine's A2/AD system.

There is also the issue that Langenia is blocking the Gibraltar strait.

Our planes will not fly through the strait of Gibraltar. We'll go from the Suez Canal owned by Muqaddasia

[New Aeyariss]

S-400 Triumf is a Russian long range air defence system capable of engaging targets up to 400 kilometres away if they are flying high.

To be fair, Arusian planes could attempt to bypass some of air defences by flying low. Ukrainian Air Force is frankly a bigger problem.

Truth be told, there is no easy way through the Ukraine's A2/AD system.

There is also the issue that Langenia is blocking the Gibraltar strait.

Our planes will not fly through the strait of Gibraltar. We'll go from the Suez Canal owned by Muqaddasia

Are those still A - 10?

[Aursi]

Our planes will not fly through the strait of Gibraltar. We'll go from the Suez Canal owned by Muqaddasia

Are those still A - 10?

I've changed them to F-111

[Yagerist Ukraine]

Are those still A - 10?

I've changed them to F-111

Okay, in such a case feel free to launch an air raid on Ukraine. But let me make it clear that expect a massacre if you go through with it. That said, according to rules of this RP, it will take 2 posts at minimum for your planes to arrive.

[Aursi]

I've changed them to F-111

Okay, in such a case feel free to launch an air raid on Ukraine. But let me make it clear that expect a massacre if you go through with it. That said, according to rules of this RP, it will take 2 posts at minimum for your planes to arrive.

Massacre of my planes? Or Massacre of your people? Also, My planes have started. I will go through Suez in next post. War in the next if goes according to plan

[Yagerist Ukraine]

Okay, in such a case feel free to launch an air raid on Ukraine. But let me make it clear that expect a massacre if you go through with it. That said, according to rules of this RP, it will take 2 posts at minimum for your planes to arrive.

Massacre of my planes? Or Massacre of your people?

There will be an interception attempt.

You may inflict minor damage if some of your jets get through, but UNRAF will attempt to intercept the air raid before it reaches Ukraine.

[Aursi]

Massacre of my planes? Or Massacre of your people?

There will be an interception attempt.

You may inflict minor damage if some of your jets get through, but UNRAF will attempt to intercept the air raid before it reaches Ukraine.

Ok.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

S-400 Triumf is a Russian long range air defence system capable of engaging targets up to 400 kilometres away if they are flying high.

To be fair, Arusian planes could attempt to bypass some of air defences by flying low. Ukrainian Air Force is frankly a bigger problem.

Truth be told, there is no easy way through the Ukraine's A2/AD system.

There is also the issue that Langenia is blocking the Gibraltar strait.

I thought that S-400’s radar is able to detect low-flying targets as well as if 98Ж6E low-altitude targets detection radar is added…

Also I found

showing the range and maximal altitude of S-400’s rockets. Will be quite useful, wouldn’t it?

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Aursi where you’re headed at? I would advise not to head to Malta because although it is a castle-island with a shit ton of defenses and underground facilities I believe that repairing the airbases (or what will be left of them) after the Ukrainian attack will be hard. Really time-consuming

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Where exactly is Muqaddasia?

Also Laka, can I ask what assets and facilities do you have at Malta?

4 concrete-runway airbases (2 operated by the Air Service and 2 by Navy)
There are also helicopter bases scattered around the island.
All of the air bases are equipped with hardened shelters, some of which are scattered around the island and are guarded by a battery of short-range SAM’s 9M337 Sosna, C-RAM battery and HQ-16 medium-range SAM battery. The naval airbase on the island of Gozo is even modeled after the Željava Air Base, partially being underground.
There is more than plenty of EW installations on the two islands, including aforementioned AEGIS Ashore and THAADS battery radars, however the island houses an early-warning Voronezh radar which is integrated with the rest of the defenses. Voronezh is usually turned off because it fucks over cellphone connections but since the beginning of the war it has been active, probably causing cancer but who cares. Both islands house a Rezonans-N long-range radar station, mainly intended to direct interceptors based on the island to their target. Also count in the battery radars of two S-400 batteries (60K6), a single S-400 upgraded to S-500 standards uses this radar too.
Air/missile defense facilities other than aforementioned stuff include several 9K330 Tor’s scattered around the islands, and a platoon (because SPAA’s here are organized in platoons) of 2S6’s, and a single battery of 98R6E missile defense system (remember that some of the marines intended to establish a beachhead in Odessa are now here alongside with their SAM systems).
Civilian infrastructure on the island includes water purification facilities, several underground food production units and a nuclear power station (which as you’ve probably guessed it also underground and purposely guarded by it’s “own” S-500 battery.

There is also a number of launch silos there (some are protected some are not)- some housing ICBM’s as well as EW unit. The missiles launched were mainly from road-mobile launchers which are quick to retreat into aforementioned shelters.

Also should I mention naval assets and space ones? Of course only projects that have been tested multiple times and cancelled primarily not because of technical failures but because of them being not needed (like the ASM-135 ASAT or the Soviet Istrebitel Sputnikov’.

With F-111 you ought to be able to reach Ukraine easily then.

I say again that Aursi should not even attempt to attack Ukraine before anything is done about their S-400’s. Our radar picket sub will do something for you but other than that…

I forgor to mention this but because of Malta being built as a military base intended to retain some of it’s function after a direct hit with nuclear weapons, many of the facilities there are located deep underground- hell, some of the Japanese engineers responsible for the fortification of Iwo Jima worked on it. Many of the island’s catacombs have been repurposed for this use, many more new ones have been digger. Also there is an internal transportation system (resembling United States Capitol Railway system but larger and capable of transporting heavier loads), connecting the two islands.

[Free Kathen]

I was wondering, since it's geographically the most similar to Free Kathen's climate and geography, would it be all right if we deployed from Sweden? Also, what is Yagerist Ukraine's relationship to the Baltic countries around it (e.g. Belarus, Lithuania, Latvia, etc.)

[Mitheldalond]

By the way, Aeyariss, is is okay if I join this? The last one died before I could post, and it seems like interesting opportunity to explore more restrictive Rules of Engagement. Given that my government currently believes most of the Ukrainian population doesn't support the slavery thing, and is fully supportive of Ukrainian sovereignty in the face of past/future Russian agression, it would be a tricky situation where I'm trying to get rid of the maniac currently in charge of the country without doing too much damage to the Ukrainian military.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

By the way, Aeyariss, is is okay if I join this? The last one died before I could post, and it seems like interesting opportunity to explore more restrictive Rules of Engagement. Given that my government currently believes most of the Ukrainian population doesn't support the slavery thing, and is fully supportive of Ukrainian sovereignty in the face of past/future Russian agression, it would be a tricky situation where I'm trying to get rid of the maniac currently in charge of the country without doing too much damage to the Ukrainian military.

I’m not the OP but I’d say that this will be an interesting contrast to Laka which in the next post is going to literally claim that they’re here not to liberate the slaves but to free the people of Donbass and end slavery, even if it means killing the majority of the slaves as collaterals.