The Coming Storm (OOC/ATTN AFAASA/INVITE ONLY)

[New Aeyariss]

These were pretty substantial loosses of 4 BPK’s (idk how it’s classified in western terminology- cruiser? destroyer?), 2 air defense cruisers, 1 battlecruiser (think Hood because the navy has a shit ton of them left sitting in conservation), 1 aegis cruiser, several landing ships and stuff. The aircraft carrier- Exploder, a wild mixture of Ulyanovsk-class and Gerald R Ford class is heavily damaged (like USS Forrestal after the fire but also listing and unable to operate the majority of his systems (all of our ships are “males”). The battleship (because I like battleships)- essentially up-armored and up-gunned HMS Incomparable-class is heavily damaged but can hardly be called a mission kill because most of her defensive systems are still operational, and another battlecruiser resembled what Bismarck would look like if it had somehow made it back to France- a very, VERY badly burnt ship, which is indeed a mission kill.

Okay, I accept it.

1) Are projects that have been canceled IRL but are viable technologically allowed to be used here? Not absurd space battleships canceled by Kennedy but things like the orbital bomber thing which viability and real ness was demonstrated by X-20 Dynasoar project and Soviet BOR demonstrator? What about canceled aviation projects such as the A-12 (I believe that it was cancelled because it ate WAY too much funding, correct me if I’m wrong)

Wasn't Dynasoar a failure?

Anyhow, I would prefer to stick to technologies that area already in service. The reason for that is that my past experience with this kind of tech generated a ton of debates that could rarely be backed up with facts about their performance - hence my insistence.

2) Generally speaking, what is the political situation in Russia? How revanchist are they? How militaristic?

This Russia is on the verge of collapse. My original plan when I made the thread was that Russia was in a situation similar to 1919, with various warlords vying for control of the territory. However for you I have changed it, but I need to point out that this Russia has a weak, pacifistic pro-western liberal government, and has lost control over Caucasus to various locals and over Siberia to China (pretty much Siberia was flooded with Chinese illegals and became China overnight). It is also in state of a massive demographic decline and it's economy suffers from years of sanctions.

I do imagine that militaristic factions may exist in Russia, but they would be in a minority and not enjoy widespread support.

3) Can non-nuclear WMD’s be used?

TBH, due to escalation issues I would prefer that each such use would be cleared up with me.

How are we supposed to reach without our Navy? Or will our Navy send the Soldiers, then come back. Please explain a bit.

I do not understand the question. I need to point some things out, though:

1) Aegis cruisers can not transport soldiers, hence in my previous post I recommended you to add transport ships to your fleet.

2) There is an issue I need to explain here. Iam going to post a picture explaining it. Click the link.

Basically, earth is a curved - which means that the lower the target flies, the lower the range of detection. From what Langenia told me, he fired 40 notBrahmos.

Even assuming that 10 out of those 40 get past, the research done by Cpt. Wayne P. Hughes shows that you need 2 exocet missile equivalents to disable a destroyer, 4 to sink. Brahmos has 4 times the weight of Exocet and 32 times the kinetic energy of Tomahawk missile. Additionally, when the missile gets within 25 kilometers - where ship based radars can pick it up and intercept - the ship will have 3 seconds to react.

If such a thing slams into a destroyer, it is a mission kill at least, if not outright sinking.

So, assuming such a number, we are talking about 10 destroyers either disabled and unable to continue operations in combat, or sunk. No soldiers from ground forces ought to die as they would be on transport ships, and Lang did not target those.

Also, there was an attempt to intercept the Rafales.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Wasn't Dynasoar a failure?

Anyhow, I would prefer to stick to technologies that area already in service. The reason for that is that my past experience with this kind of tech generated a ton of debates that could rarely be backed up with facts about their performance - hence my insistence.

Okay, but didn’t A-12 use the technologies that were available? It’s stealthy, all right but didn’t use any absurd technologies and the concept of a low-detectable attacker is not that alien and/or unproven. That being said I see where your point is coming from and do see that trying to find reliable information about it’s specifications is hard.

This Russia is on the verge of collapse. My original plan when I made the thread was that Russia was in a situation similar to 1919, with various warlords vying for control of the territory. However for you I have changed it, but I need to point out that this Russia has a weak, pacifistic pro-western liberal government, and has lost control over Caucasus to various locals and over Siberia to China (pretty much Siberia was flooded with Chinese illegals and became China overnight). It is also in state of a massive demographic decline and it's economy suffers from years of sanctions.

I do imagine that militaristic factions may exist in Russia, but they would be in a minority and not enjoy widespread support.

Makes sense, will it be all right if I will have my ships sitting at Malta then? After all a fractured Russia would make for much more sense in this case.

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Also unrelated question can I use your forum posts detailing weapons as a “template” for my own? With credit of course

[Aursi]

These were pretty substantial loosses of 4 BPK’s (idk how it’s classified in western terminology- cruiser? destroyer?), 2 air defense cruisers, 1 battlecruiser (think Hood because the navy has a shit ton of them left sitting in conservation), 1 aegis cruiser, several landing ships and stuff. The aircraft carrier- Exploder, a wild mixture of Ulyanovsk-class and Gerald R Ford class is heavily damaged (like USS Forrestal after the fire but also listing and unable to operate the majority of his systems (all of our ships are “males”). The battleship (because I like battleships)- essentially up-armored and up-gunned HMS Incomparable-class is heavily damaged but can hardly be called a mission kill because most of her defensive systems are still operational, and another battlecruiser resembled what Bismarck would look like if it had somehow made it back to France- a very, VERY badly burnt ship, which is indeed a mission kill.

Okay, I accept it.

1) Are projects that have been canceled IRL but are viable technologically allowed to be used here? Not absurd space battleships canceled by Kennedy but things like the orbital bomber thing which viability and real ness was demonstrated by X-20 Dynasoar project and Soviet BOR demonstrator? What about canceled aviation projects such as the A-12 (I believe that it was cancelled because it ate WAY too much funding, correct me if I’m wrong)

Wasn't Dynasoar a failure?

Anyhow, I would prefer to stick to technologies that area already in service. The reason for that is that my past experience with this kind of tech generated a ton of debates that could rarely be backed up with facts about their performance - hence my insistence.

2) Generally speaking, what is the political situation in Russia? How revanchist are they? How militaristic?

This Russia is on the verge of collapse. My original plan when I made the thread was that Russia was in a situation similar to 1919, with various warlords vying for control of the territory. However for you I have changed it, but I need to point out that this Russia has a weak, pacifistic pro-western liberal government, and has lost control over Caucasus to various locals and over Siberia to China (pretty much Siberia was flooded with Chinese illegals and became China overnight). It is also in state of a massive demographic decline and it's economy suffers from years of sanctions.

I do imagine that militaristic factions may exist in Russia, but they would be in a minority and not enjoy widespread support.

3) Can non-nuclear WMD’s be used?

TBH, due to escalation issues I would prefer that each such use would be cleared up with me.

How are we supposed to reach without our Navy? Or will our Navy send the Soldiers, then come back. Please explain a bit.

I do not understand the question. I need to point some things out, though:

1) Aegis cruisers can not transport soldiers, hence in my previous post I recommended you to add transport ships to your fleet.

2) There is an issue I need to explain here. Iam going to post a picture explaining it. Click the link.

Basically, earth is a curved - which means that the lower the target flies, the lower the range of detection. From what Langenia told me, he fired 40 notBrahmos.

Even assuming that 10 out of those 40 get past, the research done by Cpt. Wayne P. Hughes shows that you need 2 exocet missile equivalents to disable a destroyer, 4 to sink. Brahmos has 4 times the weight of Exocet and 32 times the kinetic energy of Tomahawk missile. Additionally, when the missile gets within 25 kilometers - where ship based radars can pick it up and intercept - the ship will have 3 seconds to react.

If such a thing slams into a destroyer, it is a mission kill at least, if not outright sinking.

So, assuming such a number, we are talking about 10 destroyers either disabled and unable to continue operations in combat, or sunk. No soldiers from ground forces ought to die as they would be on transport ships, and Lang did not target those.

Also, there was an attempt to intercept the Rafales.

So I guess 35 of them Hit? So 10 Destroyers get ruined and 25 Conveyers ruined? Also I named it Conveyers just to give it a little touch to it. Its the same as Transporters.

[Yagerist Ukraine]

Okay, but didn’t A-12 use the technologies that were available? It’s stealthy, all right but didn’t use any absurd technologies and the concept of a low-detectable attacker is not that alien and/or unproven. That being said I see where your point is coming from and do see that trying to find reliable information about it’s specifications is hard.

I meant that I read it had problems with engine.

Makes sense, will it be all right if I will have my ships sitting at Malta then? After all a fractured Russia would make for much more sense in this case.

Feel free to withdraw there, but remember that Langenia has entered the war on Ukraine's side and is now blocking the access to Mediterranean sea.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

I meant that I read it had problems with engine.

It did however what killed it was the abysmally large cost of the program. I do believe that if they were given more time and money they could’ve fixed these issues.

Feel free to withdraw there, but remember that Langenia has entered the war on Ukraine's side and is now blocking the access to Mediterranean sea.

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I meant that my ships at the start of the RP would be not in Sochi but in Malta. They’d still take the casualties/damages they have taken and they will be out of commission for the rest of the war and you won’t have to change your nation’s canon because of me. Simple as.

[Yagerist Ukraine]

I meant that I read it had problems with engine.

I meant that my ships at the start of the RP would be not in Sochi but in Malta. They’d still take the casualties/damages they have taken and they will be out of commission for the rest of the war and you won’t have to change your nation’s canon because of me. Simple as.

I have already accepted the Russia as it is, so do what you want.

[Romanic Imperium]

Okay nvm I think ima join.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

OOC: Damages from the cyberattack will be mentioned in the next post also should I outline the land-based facilities at Malta? OP, I’d also like to ask you a question given your much wider knowledge of western naval inventory- does MOSS emit both active and passive signature of a submarine?

[New Aeyariss]

OOC: Damages from the cyberattack will be mentioned in the next post also should I outline the land-based facilities at Malta? OP, I’d also like to ask you a question given your much wider knowledge of western naval inventory- does MOSS emit both active and passive signature of a submarine?

I actually have no idea myself.

Also, I don't mind but do note that only France is getting attacked now.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

OOC: Damages from the cyberattack will be mentioned in the next post also should I outline the land-based facilities at Malta? OP, I’d also like to ask you a question given your much wider knowledge of western naval inventory- does MOSS emit both active and passive signature of a submarine?

I actually have no idea myself.

Also, I don't mind but do note that only France is getting attacked now.

Aight then let’s decide it with a coin toss

I got a heads, so it’s a yes I guess? Anyhow will post again today

[Aursi]

These were pretty substantial loosses of 4 BPK’s (idk how it’s classified in western terminology- cruiser? destroyer?), 2 air defense cruisers, 1 battlecruiser (think Hood because the navy has a shit ton of them left sitting in conservation), 1 aegis cruiser, several landing ships and stuff. The aircraft carrier- Exploder, a wild mixture of Ulyanovsk-class and Gerald R Ford class is heavily damaged (like USS Forrestal after the fire but also listing and unable to operate the majority of his systems (all of our ships are “males”). The battleship (because I like battleships)- essentially up-armored and up-gunned HMS Incomparable-class is heavily damaged but can hardly be called a mission kill because most of her defensive systems are still operational, and another battlecruiser resembled what Bismarck would look like if it had somehow made it back to France- a very, VERY badly burnt ship, which is indeed a mission kill.

Okay, I accept it.

1) Are projects that have been canceled IRL but are viable technologically allowed to be used here? Not absurd space battleships canceled by Kennedy but things like the orbital bomber thing which viability and real ness was demonstrated by X-20 Dynasoar project and Soviet BOR demonstrator? What about canceled aviation projects such as the A-12 (I believe that it was cancelled because it ate WAY too much funding, correct me if I’m wrong)

Wasn't Dynasoar a failure?

Anyhow, I would prefer to stick to technologies that area already in service. The reason for that is that my past experience with this kind of tech generated a ton of debates that could rarely be backed up with facts about their performance - hence my insistence.

2) Generally speaking, what is the political situation in Russia? How revanchist are they? How militaristic?

This Russia is on the verge of collapse. My original plan when I made the thread was that Russia was in a situation similar to 1919, with various warlords vying for control of the territory. However for you I have changed it, but I need to point out that this Russia has a weak, pacifistic pro-western liberal government, and has lost control over Caucasus to various locals and over Siberia to China (pretty much Siberia was flooded with Chinese illegals and became China overnight). It is also in state of a massive demographic decline and it's economy suffers from years of sanctions.

I do imagine that militaristic factions may exist in Russia, but they would be in a minority and not enjoy widespread support.

3) Can non-nuclear WMD’s be used?

TBH, due to escalation issues I would prefer that each such use would be cleared up with me.

How are we supposed to reach without our Navy? Or will our Navy send the Soldiers, then come back. Please explain a bit.

I do not understand the question. I need to point some things out, though:

1) Aegis cruisers can not transport soldiers, hence in my previous post I recommended you to add transport ships to your fleet.

2) There is an issue I need to explain here. Iam going to post a picture explaining it. Click the link.

Basically, earth is a curved - which means that the lower the target flies, the lower the range of detection. From what Langenia told me, he fired 40 notBrahmos.

Even assuming that 10 out of those 40 get past, the research done by Cpt. Wayne P. Hughes shows that you need 2 exocet missile equivalents to disable a destroyer, 4 to sink. Brahmos has 4 times the weight of Exocet and 32 times the kinetic energy of Tomahawk missile. Additionally, when the missile gets within 25 kilometers - where ship based radars can pick it up and intercept - the ship will have 3 seconds to react.

If such a thing slams into a destroyer, it is a mission kill at least, if not outright sinking.

So, assuming such a number, we are talking about 10 destroyers either disabled and unable to continue operations in combat, or sunk. No soldiers from ground forces ought to die as they would be on transport ships, and Lang did not target those.

Also, there was an attempt to intercept the Rafales.

So I guess 35 of them got hit? So my Transporters are done. Only 15 of them left.

[Yagerist Ukraine]

So I guess 35 of them got hit? So my Transporters are done. Only 15 of them left.

Actually, from what I have read in Lang's post, he only hit the burkes.

He fired 40 missiles at 15 ships. Due to lack of AEW (U2 perhaps may spot a missile but can not track it in real time), short reaction time and target speed I would assume that at least 7-10 of them are either killed (out of action but afloat) or sunk.

[Aursi]

So I guess 35 of them got hit? So my Transporters are done. Only 15 of them left.

Actually, from what I have read in Lang's post, he only hit the burkes.

He fired 40 missiles at 15 ships. Due to lack of AEW (U2 perhaps may spot a missile but can not track it in real time), short reaction time and target speed I would assume that at least 7-10 of them are either killed (out of action but afloat) or sunk.

Arleigh Burke-Class Destroyers. ABCD. So I was correct with my calculations. 10 Destroyers have been destroyed.

[Yagerist Ukraine]

Actually, from what I have read in Lang's post, he only hit the burkes.

He fired 40 missiles at 15 ships. Due to lack of AEW (U2 perhaps may spot a missile but can not track it in real time), short reaction time and target speed I would assume that at least 7-10 of them are either killed (out of action but afloat) or sunk.

Arleigh Burke-Class Destroyers. ABCD. So I was correct with my calculations. 10 Destroyers have been destroyed.

There we go.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Posted. YU what types of missiles able to reach Malta do you possess (other than DF-21D’s which as far as I’m concerned are able to be used as IRBM’s)? Generally speaking how effective would concrete defenses be at stopping such missiles (Malta has a lot, a very big load of them because it is an island which was preparing to be sieged out and bombarded with anything rangin all the way to a strategic nuclear device since 1920). Including attacks from Romania because your German friend will launch from there (I think they will)

Also please do not reply until I see your reply it would be stupid for us to attack without even knowing what we’ll be hit back with against. If thats acceptable for you that is (me voiding the attack part and keeping only the disinformation part)

[New Aeyariss]

Posted. YU what types of missiles able to reach Malta do you possess (other than DF-21D’s which as far as I’m concerned are able to be used as IRBM’s)? Generally speaking how effective would concrete defenses be at stopping such missiles (Malta has a lot, a very big load of them because it is an island which was preparing to be sieged out and bombarded with anything rangin all the way to a strategic nuclear device since 1920). Including attacks from Romania because your German friend will launch from there (I think they will)

Also please do not reply until I see your reply it would be stupid for us to attack without even knowing what we’ll be hit back with against. If thats acceptable for you that is (me voiding the attack part and keeping only the disinformation part)

Did some research yesterday. Apparently, it is 1900 km from Odessa to Malta. This means that the weapons that could reach are:

- ICBM (R-36M2) - but those will NOT be used for obvious reasons.

- DF-21.

- Ukraine posses also a land attack variant of Type 2011, which when from Tu-22M could reach Malta.

Also, if you mind, may I ask what exactly are you hitting (list of targets) and with how many missiles? Would help me calculate the damage.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Targets:

Railway facilities at Lutsk- 5 missiles total, each targeting a different area- primarily train depos, cargo elements of the Lutsk railway station and intersections. However it is considered a secondary target.

The city of Kovel is however a major target, considering it being a railway hub for the Lviv Railroad. 12 missiles in total are targeted at it, the majority of them are targeting targets similar to Lutsk- depots, maintenance facilities, the majority are targeted at the facilities essential for the functioning of the cargo railroad.

Lviv is targeted by three missiles, primarily directed at electrical facilities in the region as well as it’s train depot. It is not even an actual target but rather a faux launch intended to trick the Ukrainians into believing that the main bulk of the attack will be on coastal targets, as mentioned in the post.

A small urban-type settlement of Krasne is however a major target and 10 missiles are launched at it, targeting it’s railroad station as well as railway intersections at or near it.

Several railroad stations at Novoa and Vadim are targeted. They’re just north of Crimea- 2 missiles each.

Finally, rail bridges over Dnepr are each targeted by a single missile- being that 9 of them are in total.

Also some portal facilities at Odessa is going to be targeted by a few (2-3) final missile launches because at this point all goes.

[Mitheldalond]

OOC: Damages from the cyberattack will be mentioned in the next post also should I outline the land-based facilities at Malta? OP, I’d also like to ask you a question given your much wider knowledge of western naval inventory- does MOSS emit both active and passive signature of a submarine?

MOSS imitates the engine sounds (and presumably other ambient sounds) of the submarine carrying it. I don't believe it could imitate things like the transient from a torpedo launch (which is one of the louder things a submarine does), but given how little information is available about it, I can't say for sure. MOSS is also very old (it was retired decades ago), so presumably whatever you're using is either a heavily updated variant or a different system entirely; in either case, it would likely be far more capable than the original.

[New Aeyariss]

I need to point out that I need to write a post for another thread first; then I have uni at the weekend, and I am accepting a rabbit into my house; hence I am going to be posting a bit slower.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

MOSS imitates the engine sounds (and presumably other ambient sounds) of the submarine carrying it. I don't believe it could imitate things like the transient from a torpedo launch (which is one of the louder things a submarine does), but given how little information is available about it, I can't say for sure. MOSS is also very old (it was retired decades ago), so presumably whatever you're using is either a heavily updated variant or a different system entirely; in either case, it would likely be far more capable than the original.

I’ve googled whatever recent developments in this could be found and here is a TASS (official Russian government’s media) communique regarding it. According to the topwar website (a relatively reliable Russian website which although being a bit biased does state reliable information here and there, such as when they questioned cope cages back in 2020), and it’s also got a translated article about this thing. Of course they do not state actual measurements but from what I can understand there is no way this thing is fitting into a standard Russian 533 mm torpedo tube, thus it would be reasonable to believe that it is intended to be carried outside of a submarine prior to deployment.

For this RP I believe that it would be reasonable for it to be carried aboard support/supply subs. These things are already essentially harmless and I don’t think that sacrificing some space to have a launching port for this device will hurt their performance that much

[Laka Strolistandiler]

I need to point out that I need to write a post for another thread first; then I have uni at the weekend, and I am accepting a rabbit into my house; hence I am going to be posting a bit slower.

No worries, uni is getting harder for me too so i understand you.

[New Aeyariss]

@Arusi, I hope you don't mind, but I did mention already that planes have a combat range and this is something that needs to be taken into account.

For A-10, the combat range is only 400 kilometres. If you plan to attack Ukraine, I recommend that you ask Laka for permission to use Malta as an airbase, and use General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark instead of A-10 (since F-111 has reach of 2100 kilometres, and it is 1800 km from Odessa to Malta).

[Aursi]

@Arusi, I hope you don't mind, but I did mention already that planes have a combat range and this is something that needs to be taken into account.

For A-10, the combat range is only 400 kilometres. If you plan to attack Ukraine, I recommend that you ask Laka for permission to use Malta as an airbase, and use General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark instead of A-10 (since F-111 has reach of 2100 kilometres, and it is 1800 km from Odessa to Malta).

Thanks

[Gothian Crimea]

@Arusi, I hope you don't mind, but I did mention already that planes have a combat range and this is something that needs to be taken into account.

For A-10, the combat range is only 400 kilometres. If you plan to attack Ukraine, I recommend that you ask Laka for permission to use Malta as an airbase, and use General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark instead of A-10 (since F-111 has reach of 2100 kilometres, and it is 1800 km from Odessa to Malta).

Reach means there and back right?
OOC:Sorry for intruding

[New Aeyariss]

@Arusi, I hope you don't mind, but I did mention already that planes have a combat range and this is something that needs to be taken into account.

For A-10, the combat range is only 400 kilometres. If you plan to attack Ukraine, I recommend that you ask Laka for permission to use Malta as an airbase, and use General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark instead of A-10 (since F-111 has reach of 2100 kilometres, and it is 1800 km from Odessa to Malta).

Reach means there and back right?
OOC:Sorry for intruding

Yeah. The plane needs to return home after a successful mission.

You can extend the range via airborne refuelling, but one needs to be aware that the extensions has it's limits and not all planes are capable of it.