League of Independent States [OOC and Sign-Ups]

[Janpia]

Yes, it will be endless if you dont accept defeat. You void every wars against you. Your the only one who first started decanonizing, tearing up the once established MVA lore. You refused to listen to reforms, and would rather do it your own way. I can go on why.

Yes, and it will continue to be endless even if GCN/GENA or any future successor to either of those is defeated. It's not only something that happened with my alliance. It actually dates back to around this time in 2020. There's always a big alliance and always a rival, and then a big collapse and power vacuum, and then events that result in minor nations becoming major and the like. It doesn’t end with me is my point.

Yes. But do you think its time to give way to a new era, not just you alone?

Edit:
Sincere apologies to the LIS for this inconvenience.

[Southeast Marajarbia]

Yes, and it will continue to be endless even if GCN/GENA or any future successor to either of those is defeated. It's not only something that happened with my alliance. It actually dates back to around this time in 2020. There's always a big alliance and always a rival, and then a big collapse and power vacuum, and then events that result in minor nations becoming major and the like. It doesn’t end with me is my point.

Yes. But do you think its time to give way to a new era, not just you alone?

Edit:
Sincere apologies to the LIS for this inconvenience.

It's not quite something that can be controlled, I'm afraid.

[Janpia]

Yes. But do you think its time to give way to a new era, not just you alone?

Edit:
Sincere apologies to the LIS for this inconvenience.

It's not quite something that can be controlled, I'm afraid.

It can be, if you start accepting defeat. Look, Galapagos gladly accepted to be colonized. Heck even IHS allows his state to be invaded. Tho minus his decanonization stuff.

[Southeast Marajarbia]

It's not quite something that can be controlled, I'm afraid.

It can be, if you start accepting defeat. Look, Galapagos gladly accepted to be colonized. Heck even IHS allows his state to be invaded. Tho minus his decanonization stuff.

Again, this isn't quite about GCN, but explaining to you how an endless cycle works.

[Gothian Crimea]

Requesting to Join

National Information
Full Nation Name: Southern Cross Empire of Gothian Crimea
Head of State: Grand Duke Theodoric
Head of Foreign Affairs (or equivalent): Duke Scoliti.
Form of Government: Feudal Monarchy(Absolute and hereditary)
Name of League representative: Amalasuintha
Are you willing to contribute at least a single-division to the League's Grand Army? And if so how many forces are you willing to permanently place under Grand Army command?: Yes, 20k troops, there are plenty of spare soldiers, but only those trusted to work under foreign command (including knowing a common language) can be sent.
Are you willing to pay the annual fee of 0.5% of your national GDP to the League's treasury? That is hardly anything, an easy yes.
Are you willing to join no other alliances as long as you are a member of the League? Yes.

[Phenyzia]

National Information
Full Nation Name: The Novian Democratic Republic of Zarnicovia Nova
Head of State: John L. Long
Head of Government (if different):
Head of Foreign Affairs (or equivalent): Hua J. Xi
Form of Government: either described as illiberal democracy or theocratic autocracy
Name of League representative: Harry L. Wilds
Are you willing to contribute at least a single-division to the League's Grand Army? And if so how we can give air and infrantry battalions.
many forces are you willing to permanently place under Grand Army command?: 15,000 troops 180 support vehicles.
Are you willing to pay the annual fee of 0.5% of your national GDP to the League's treasury? No we’re kinda just not have a lot of money ATM
Are you willing to join no other alliances as long as you are a member of the League? No we’re keeping with KTO

Denied due to being a full member of another alliance and refusal to contribute to the treasury, feel free to re-apply once you can fulfill at least one of those two conditions.

National Information
Full Nation Name: The Queensdom of Laka Strolistandiler, Crown, Peer and Vol dependencies, Client and Affiliated States and Colonies, Other Controlled Territories
Head of State: By God's hastening mercy, Heilgadra-Davenport the Second, Empress and Aurocrat All-Imperial, Zentkral, Krievan, Fritzhbergen, NeuPreußen, Queen of Zululand, Queen of Alaska, Queen of Nordküst, Tsaritsa of Alkonya, Tsaritsa of Lubenia-Vesbaria, Stateholder of Plsov, Great Duchess of Akstern, Groß-Waisnoria, Eastlandia, etc.; Stateowner and Great Duchess of Newbürg and Daddleburry, Great Seweress of Grand Order of The Unconquered Sun, Empress of Glorybell, Udor, Obudor, Leiji and all of the Central Lands, Ruler and Empress of Stormsaarm, Ditmarsen, Duchess of Habsburg, Viscount of Lashastan and Sovereign of Straugan-Domcas, Kartalinsky and Furg lands and regions of Ethos; Snoyal Scya and Mountain Princess and other Hereditary Sovereigness and Possessor, Sovereign of Esmye; Heiress of Finland, Duchess of Schleswig-Holstein, Snobar, Dreos-Drana and Owhesh and etc, etc, etc.
Head of Government (if different): Her Immortal Sufferness, the Eternal Lord-Protector Teilga HRL, HC
Head of Foreign Affairs (or equivalent): 3rd Earless of Eskershire, Marcella Whitely-Savoy-Döritz the Third
Form of Government: A wild mixture of authoritarian monarchy, stratocracy and non-representative oligarchical parliamentary semi-republic
Name of League representative:
Are you willing to contribute at least a single-division to the League's Grand Army? And if so how many forces are you willing to permanently place under Grand Army command?: Yes- as many as they would request as long as said units are allowed to pull back if ordered.
Are you willing to pay the annual fee of 0.5% of your national GDP to the League's treasury?: Indeed we are
Are you willing to join no other alliances as long as you are a member of the League?: Negative, unfortunately we have to maintain our dynastic and diplomatic ties

Accepted.

Requesting to Join

National Information
Full Nation Name: Southern Cross Empire of Gothian Crimea
Head of State: Grand Duke Theodoric
Head of Foreign Affairs (or equivalent): Duke Scoliti.
Form of Government: Feudal Monarchy(Absolute and hereditary)
Name of League representative: Amalasuintha
Are you willing to contribute at least a single-division to the League's Grand Army? And if so how many forces are you willing to permanently place under Grand Army command?: Yes, 20k troops, there are plenty of spare soldiers, but only those trusted to work under foreign command (including knowing a common language) can be sent.
Are you willing to pay the annual fee of 0.5% of your national GDP to the League's treasury? That is hardly anything, an easy yes.
Are you willing to join no other alliances as long as you are a member of the League? Yes.

Accepted.

[Northern Wiser]

National Information
Full Nation Name: The Novian Democratic Republic of Zarnicovia Nova
Head of State: John L. Long
Head of Government (if different):
Head of Foreign Affairs (or equivalent): Hua J. Xi
Form of Government: either described as illiberal democracy or theocratic autocracy
Name of League representative: Harry L. Wilds
Are you willing to contribute at least a single-division to the League's Grand Army? And if so how we can give air and infrantry battalions.
many forces are you willing to permanently place under Grand Army command?: 15,000 troops 180 support vehicles.
Are you willing to pay the annual fee of 0.5% of your national GDP to the League's treasury? No we’re kinda just not have a lot of money ATM
Are you willing to join no other alliances as long as you are a member of the League? No we’re keeping with KTO

Denied due to being a full member of another alliance and refusal to contribute to the treasury, feel free to re-apply once you can fulfill at least one of those two conditions.

National Information
Full Nation Name: The Queensdom of Laka Strolistandiler, Crown, Peer and Vol dependencies, Client and Affiliated States and Colonies, Other Controlled Territories
Head of State: By God's hastening mercy, Heilgadra-Davenport the Second, Empress and Aurocrat All-Imperial, Zentkral, Krievan, Fritzhbergen, NeuPreußen, Queen of Zululand, Queen of Alaska, Queen of Nordküst, Tsaritsa of Alkonya, Tsaritsa of Lubenia-Vesbaria, Stateholder of Plsov, Great Duchess of Akstern, Groß-Waisnoria, Eastlandia, etc.; Stateowner and Great Duchess of Newbürg and Daddleburry, Great Seweress of Grand Order of The Unconquered Sun, Empress of Glorybell, Udor, Obudor, Leiji and all of the Central Lands, Ruler and Empress of Stormsaarm, Ditmarsen, Duchess of Habsburg, Viscount of Lashastan and Sovereign of Straugan-Domcas, Kartalinsky and Furg lands and regions of Ethos; Snoyal Scya and Mountain Princess and other Hereditary Sovereigness and Possessor, Sovereign of Esmye; Heiress of Finland, Duchess of Schleswig-Holstein, Snobar, Dreos-Drana and Owhesh and etc, etc, etc.
Head of Government (if different): Her Immortal Sufferness, the Eternal Lord-Protector Teilga HRL, HC
Head of Foreign Affairs (or equivalent): 3rd Earless of Eskershire, Marcella Whitely-Savoy-Döritz the Third
Form of Government: A wild mixture of authoritarian monarchy, stratocracy and non-representative oligarchical parliamentary semi-republic
Name of League representative:
Are you willing to contribute at least a single-division to the League's Grand Army? And if so how many forces are you willing to permanently place under Grand Army command?: Yes- as many as they would request as long as said units are allowed to pull back if ordered.
Are you willing to pay the annual fee of 0.5% of your national GDP to the League's treasury?: Indeed we are
Are you willing to join no other alliances as long as you are a member of the League?: Negative, unfortunately we have to maintain our dynastic and diplomatic ties

Accepted.

Requesting to Join

National Information
Full Nation Name: Southern Cross Empire of Gothian Crimea
Head of State: Grand Duke Theodoric
Head of Foreign Affairs (or equivalent): Duke Scoliti.
Form of Government: Feudal Monarchy(Absolute and hereditary)
Name of League representative: Amalasuintha
Are you willing to contribute at least a single-division to the League's Grand Army? And if so how many forces are you willing to permanently place under Grand Army command?: Yes, 20k troops, there are plenty of spare soldiers, but only those trusted to work under foreign command (including knowing a common language) can be sent.
Are you willing to pay the annual fee of 0.5% of your national GDP to the League's treasury? That is hardly anything, an easy yes.
Are you willing to join no other alliances as long as you are a member of the League? Yes.

Accepted.

Half till the election

[Northern Wiser]

ATTENTION!!!
I am in a war and there is possibility that the EDL will declare war on me and my fellow fascists in the war.
We NEED to mobilize our armies for a war.
The war is called the Floridalandia civil war (I couldn’t get the link)

[Phenyzia]

ATTENTION!!!
I am in a war and there is possibility that the EDL will declare war on me and my fellow fascists in the war.
We NEED to mobilize our armies for a war.
The war is called the Floridalandia civil war (I couldn’t get the link)

As long as it's just your expeditionary force involved I would consider this an offensive war. But if they make any moves against your mainland I will intervene.

[Northern Wiser]

ATTENTION!!!
I am in a war and there is possibility that the EDL will declare war on me and my fellow fascists in the war.
We NEED to mobilize our armies for a war.
The war is called the Floridalandia civil war (I couldn’t get the link)

As long as it's just your expeditionary force involved I would consider this an offensive war. But if they make any moves against your mainland I will intervene.

Given the extent of the alliance that could get involved it is likely, and I just wanted LIS to know so we can ready if needed

[Laka Strolistandiler]

ATTENTION!!!
I am in a war and there is possibility that the EDL will declare war on me and my fellow fascists in the war.
We NEED to mobilize our armies for a war.
The war is called the Floridalandia civil war (I couldn’t get the link)

If you’re not a slaver we can send you men

[Northern Wiser]

ATTENTION!!!
I am in a war and there is possibility that the EDL will declare war on me and my fellow fascists in the war.
We NEED to mobilize our armies for a war.
The war is called the Floridalandia civil war (I couldn’t get the link)

If you’re not a slaver we can send you men

we signed peace

[Floridalandia]

Dear LIS,
This is The Republic of Floridalandia, We hope you don't mind our war against Gothic Crimea, They Caused us to declare a state of war when they attacked us after the peace treaty with our civil war was signed, I formally request you don't join and mind your own business.

[Romanic Imperium]

Dear LIS,
This is The Republic of Floridalandia, We hope you don't mind our war against Gothic Crimea, They Caused us to declare a state of war when they attacked us after the peace treaty with our civil war was signed, I formally request you don't join and mind your own business.

You do know that you mDe the peace treaty when we were asleep right? Also they have to sign it for them to be apart of it so technically he's been at war with you

[Phenyzia]

Dear LIS,
This is The Republic of Floridalandia, We hope you don't mind our war against Gothic Crimea, They Caused us to declare a state of war when they attacked us after the peace treaty with our civil war was signed, I formally request you don't join and mind your own business.

As I've said before, if you assault the Gothian homeland, Phenyzia will most likely consider this an act of war and intervene.

[New Aeyariss]

Dear LIS,
This is The Republic of Floridalandia, We hope you don't mind our war against Gothic Crimea, They Caused us to declare a state of war when they attacked us after the peace treaty with our civil war was signed, I formally request you don't join and mind your own business.

As I've said before, if you assault the Gothian homeland, Phenyzia will most likely consider this an act of war and intervene.

Gimme SITREP.

[New Aeyariss]

Also I need to point out that members of LIS are now authroised to use Murakami Defense Industries.

[Phenyzia]

As I've said before, if you assault the Gothian homeland, Phenyzia will most likely consider this an act of war and intervene.

Gimme SITREP.

Afaik Gothic Crimea intervened in the Floridalandian civil war supporting the rebels. Rebels lost, Floridalandia tried to sign a peace treaty that would make Crimea de facto their puppet, Crimea refused and now Floridalandia is threatening to invade them.

My take on it is: If it's just Crimean's expeditionary force that's attacked then I won't step in but the moment Floridalandia escalates the war to the point of assaulting Crimean homeland I will probably get invlved myself.

[Northern Wiser]

Gimme SITREP.

Afaik Gothic Crimea intervened in the Floridalandian civil war supporting the rebels. Rebels lost, Floridalandia tried to sign a peace treaty that would make Crimea de facto their puppet, Crimea refused and now Floridalandia is threatening to invade them.

My take on it is: If it's just Crimean's expeditionary force that's attacked then I won't step in but the moment Floridalandia escalates the war to the point of assaulting Crimean homeland I will probably get invlved myself.

Gothic declared war on flordalandia then GOthic refused to sign the treaty so we don't have to intervene

[Floridalandia]

Dear LIS,
This is The Republic of Floridalandia, We hope you don't mind our war against Gothic Crimea, They Caused us to declare a state of war when they attacked us after the peace treaty with our civil war was signed, I formally request you don't join and mind your own business.

As I've said before, if you assault the Gothian homeland, Phenyzia will most likely consider this an act of war and intervene.

if you intervene, ill get the EDL involved, like seriously, they attack me, and now i cant attack them back? so hypocritical

[Phenyzia]

As I've said before, if you assault the Gothian homeland, Phenyzia will most likely consider this an act of war and intervene.

if you intervene, ill get the EDL involved

You do realize that Phenyzia could take on the entirety of the EDL even without getting any other League members involved? So I'm not entirely sure what this threat is supposed to achieve other than making me far more likely to intervene either way?

[Floridalandia]

if you intervene, ill get the EDL involved

You do realize that Phenyzia could take on the entirety of the EDL even without getting any other League members involved? So I'm not entirely sure what this threat is supposed to achieve other than making me far more likely to intervene either way?

the point is that you also kinda have northern wiser on my side cause of a alliance formed after the civil war (which YOUR fascist friends attacked me on and YOUR friend started the gothic-floridian war)

[Floridalandia]

and still its kinda hypocritical to have your friend attack me and not let me retaliate

[New Aeyariss]

if you intervene, ill get the EDL involved, like seriously, they attack me, and now i cant attack them back? so hypocritical

International relations are not built on morality or fairness; they are built on national interest. While there would be some measure of morality to counteract the inherently selfish nature of states, fact remains that the only thing Nifon cares about is weather it's actions will benefit it.

If Nifon deems it necessary to destroy your nation, it will do so.

[Phenyzia]

and still its kinda hypocritical to have your friend attack me and not let me retaliate

First of all, the League had nothing to do with your civil war. The Gothic-Floridian war was started by you or rather your attempt to make Gothic your puppet.

Second of all what Northern Wiser does is up to Northern Wiser, just as what I do is up to me and I can easily decide to just intervene on my own outside of the League.

And lastly, being hypocritical is how a lot of politics work, I've made it clear more than once now that while an offensive war requires a cabinet decision a defensive war such as being invaded doesn't and triggers mutual-defence automatically. You could easily just back out of this and leave Crimea alone, but if you insist on invading Crimea don't be surprised if Phenyzia intervenes because they will see this as a chance to show that the League is not just a paper tiger.