ULIBOR Elections (United Liberation Organisation) (IC)

[Drakonk]

Actually we should probably vote on what is and isn't a war crime.

Personally I don't think the death toll matters, what's important is the suffering caused.

We've decided the definition of a war crime, which is basically involving civillians in military matters, or persecuting any unarmed citizen

Ok parallel to real world: The nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Parallel ended.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

“Sorry, unless you provide evidence for this so-called indoctrination you are talking out of your rear.”

'The first was to open up a series of re-education camps (basically schools) and labor facilities in both New Oversight and Liberty City.' -SM
Both of those are self described and both illegal

Did you read the “basically schools” bit? And the “labour facilities” was community service, SM told me himself. Please stop repeating stuff from the trial.

[Wallowis]

We've decided the definition of a war crime, which is basically involving civillians in military matters, or persecuting any unarmed citizen

Ok parallel to real world: The nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Parallel ended.

OOC: Yeah that's considered a war crime

[Wallowis]

'The first was to open up a series of re-education camps (basically schools) and labor facilities in both New Oversight and Liberty City.' -SM
Both of those are self described and both illegal

Did you read the “basically schools” bit? And the “labour facilities” was community service, SM told me himself. Please stop repeating stuff from the trial.

OOC: It's Marajarbia ICly, not SM

[Zarnicovia nova]

'The first was to open up a series of re-education camps (basically schools) and labor facilities in both New Oversight and Liberty City.' -SM
Both of those are self described and both illegal

Did you read the “basically schools” bit? And the “labour facilities” was community service, SM told me himself. Please stop repeating stuff from the trial.

"Thats not how its described publically nor do I trust SM word. and yes I did read the "Basically Schools" bit but its doing reeducation not education?"

[Southeast Marajarbia]

Did you read the “basically schools” bit? And the “labour facilities” was community service, SM told me himself. Please stop repeating stuff from the trial.

OOC: It's Marajarbia ICly, not SM

OOC: Actually, the formal, IC name is The Marajarbian Federation.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

Did you read the “basically schools” bit? And the “labour facilities” was community service, SM told me himself. Please stop repeating stuff from the trial.

"Thats not how its described publically nor do I trust SM word. and yes I did read the "Basically Schools" bit but its doing reeducation not education?"

OOC: I WS talking OOCly, I should’ve made that clear

[Aursi]

OOC: So thats why I always call him only Marajarbia. So I don't have any issues between IC and OOC.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

OOC: Anyway Laka will maintain it’s strategy and tactics of total warfare which are based on essentially unlimited and unrestricted warfare. It was not used for a very long time but it is still there

[Free-Reorganized-States]

Ok parallel to real world: The nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Parallel ended.

OOC: Yeah that's considered a war crime

Wait are we using the Geneva conventions for our war crime code?

[Southeast Marajarbia]

Heilgarda (fresh from the deathly duel with a slave king): If I shall be elected, I shall have no mercy on the slavers, their families and friends and anyone who seeks to benefit in any given from this vile, treacherous and shameful industry. I shall personally make sure that anyone who tries to enslave another sentient being shall be punished and punished harshly. For fear will keep them in line. People shall be afraid to even make deals with the slavers, ostracizing them even further and restricting the slave trade. I call this the Lakan Doctorine and you can see it in works in us diminishing effectively overnight the single largest slave trade network- the Fenwick Foundation.

Adam Richards: “While Lakan contributions to the Slaver Crusades are indeed beneficial, and such a doctrine sounds good, the only viable problem is that even while shutting down the Fenwicks, a majority of the slaves that this war is for were killed instead of freed. Millions of innocents died, and slavers got away unpunished, but the move did manage to keep securing various coalition victories. So, do tell, as President or Vice President of the ULIBOR, how would ULIBOR commit to such action against slavers via the Lakan methods?”

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Heilgarda (fresh from the deathly duel with a slave king): If I shall be elected, I shall have no mercy on the slavers, their families and friends and anyone who seeks to benefit in any given from this vile, treacherous and shameful industry. I shall personally make sure that anyone who tries to enslave another sentient being shall be punished and punished harshly. For fear will keep them in line. People shall be afraid to even make deals with the slavers, ostracizing them even further and restricting the slave trade. I call this the Lakan Doctorine and you can see it in works in us diminishing effectively overnight the single largest slave trade network- the Fenwick Foundation.

Adam Richards: “While Lakan contributions to the Slaver Crusades are indeed beneficial, and such a doctrine sounds good, the only viable problem is that even while shutting down the Fenwicks, a majority of the slaves that this war is for were killed instead of freed. Millions of innocents died, and slavers got away unpunished, but the move did manage to keep securing various coalition victories. So, do tell, as President or Vice President of the ULIBOR, how would ULIBOR commit to such action against slavers via the Lakan methods?”

Fenwick Foundation enslaved and/or had plans to enslave dozens if not hundreds of millions of slaves in the long run. To this day, many of their victims sold off and separated from their families suffer mistreatment at the hands of their buyers. A 10 million of innocents dying to prevent hundreds of millions from a fate worse than death is, to us, a worthy trade-off. There was no other way to stop them once and for all. Simply put, we had no other option to save all of these potential slaves. Someone had to get their hands dirty, dirty with blood and as if often happened, we had to do this. As a Vice President of the ULIBOR I will commit to such tactics if and only if there will be a need for a direct, precise strike. As we are talking, new weapons with much less collateral damage are being developed, potentially negating it to a very reasonable, even from your standpoint, level. However, we do not believe that slavers can and should be considered a legal ally and war participant as the war crimes tribunals state. Their crimes against humanity are so bad, that we in Laka essentially consider them “outlaws”.

[Janpia]

"I am 99% sure Hun Chu was far before the GCN. And so did the countries which the GCN invaded?"

“I am speaking about the GCN and its predecessors. And no, they did not. They refused after being warned to abolish slavery and some attacked the GCN.”

While not you necessarily, although there is accounts of massacres of Galapagos POWs in the second crusade, I think he is more refereeing to SM. Specifically their role in the occupation of the Galapagos. From here we have many well documented warcrimes such as forced labor camps and propaganda centers to wipe Galapagos culture off the map and turn the younger generation into slaves for the GCN (then known as the GA) to abuse what are your thoughts on this

“They were schools.”

"They were never schools. Its the Galapagosians themselves that already admitted it for Godsake. Our 'invasion' has no justification? Yea sure, how about Nouh Reza which your government killed? The 400,000? The arrested innocents that were condemned? Those who arent even part of the movement? The recent killings in CRM? What we originally planned is a naval blockade, which will be lifted if you stop the killings. BUT NO! You shot our boats!"

[Janpia]

Toby Rastro: "I will end the slaver scum. I shall promote free trade between member states so that Our economy can grow. My goals are almost the same as Mr. Shirazi."

"Then drop from the elections then, if your goals is just a mere puppetry from Shirazi"

[Aursi]

Toby Rastro: "I will end the slaver scum. I shall promote free trade between member states so that Our economy can grow. My goals are almost the same as Mr. Shirazi."

"Then drop from the elections then, if your goals is just a mere puppetry from Shirazi"

"Mate, you'll not decide what I do."

[Janpia]

"Then drop from the elections then, if your goals is just a mere puppetry from Shirazi"

"Mate, you'll not decide what I do."

"Its fine anyway. Since you dont know the very meaning and the spirit of Democracy

[Aursi]

"Mate, you'll not decide what I do."

"Its fine anyway. Since you dont know the very meaning and the spirit of Democracy

"I passed Politics from the Prestigious Aursian University. I'm atleast supposed to know that."

[Islamic Holy Sites]

“I am speaking about the GCN and its predecessors. And no, they did not. They refused after being warned to abolish slavery and some attacked the GCN.”

“They were schools.”

"They were never schools. Its the Galapagosians themselves that already admitted it for Godsake. Our 'invasion' has no justification? Yea sure, how about Nouh Reza which your government killed? The 400,000? The arrested innocents that were condemned? Those who arent even part of the movement? The recent killings in CRM? What we originally planned is a naval blockade, which will be lifted if you stop the killings. BUT NO! You shot our boats!"

“Prove it.
The execution of Nouh Reza was perfectly justified, as he was a convicted criminal who murdered countless people for his own fortune. There is no ‘400,000’. One hundred and seven people were executed and those were arsonists who killed people and torched Kuwait City. The arrested were guilty, those who were not part of the movement would not have joined the movement. The CRM are terrorists who killed people just to advance their own unpopular goals. Your ships entered our waters, then threatened civilians. That is an act of war. Last time you entered our waters, it was at Marsa Alam, where you censored your defeat in Janpia. You invaded us. Your ships have no right to enter our homeland.”

[The Orwell Society]

OOC: This is the thread for the elections, the polls will include elections once they start. I might replace this description later, it's temporary. Feel free to suggest anything better.

The poll is purely unofficial.
IC: Votes:

Heilgarda: 1 vote
Muqaddasia: 2 votes
Wallowis: 2 votes
Free-Reorganized-States: 1 vote
Aursi: No votes

OOC: Laka for president! Laka for president! Laka for president!

[Wallowis]

Wallowis has changed its vote and is now abstaining from voting.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

“In the face of the invasion of Muqaddasia, I will hold a trial to expel the Aquaria, ZN and Janpia from our organisation if I am elected, eradicating these threats to peace from our good organisation.”

[Zarnicovia nova]

“In the face of the invasion of Muqaddasia, I will hold a trial to expel the Aquaria, ZN and Janpia from our organisation if I am elected, eradicating these threats to peace from our good organisation.”

"Then we'll just not vote for you and go off and form a nuetral ULIBOR again. I can say that as the GCN has said it wants to remove ULIBOR nuetrality with annexation while the KTO did not even consider giving our selfs advantage."

[Aursi]

Md. Riyan Hossain: "Aquaria has invaded Muqaddasia siding with Janpia. So is that Neutral? If they were neutral they'd try to solve the issue. Not Rub Salt in the Wound"

[Islamic Holy Sites]

“In the face of the invasion of Muqaddasia, I will hold a trial to expel the Aquaria, ZN and Janpia from our organisation if I am elected, eradicating these threats to peace from our good organisation.”

"Then we'll just not vote for you and go off and form a nuetral ULIBOR again. I can say that as the GCN has said it wants to remove ULIBOR nuetrality with annexation while the KTO did not even consider giving our selfs advantage."

“You are wrong. You keep mistaking Marajarbia and the GCN. Please go read a book about current events and return.”

[Zarnicovia nova]

"Then we'll just not vote for you and go off and form a nuetral ULIBOR again. I can say that as the GCN has said it wants to remove ULIBOR nuetrality with annexation while the KTO did not even consider giving our selfs advantage."

“You are wrong. You keep mistaking Marajarbia and the GCN. Please go read a book about current events and return.”

"Maybe yall should stop simping for him and doing whatever he says then I'll be wrong."