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New Roma Republic
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Postby New Roma Republic » Sun May 15, 2022 12:12 pm

Free-Reorganized-States wrote:
Wallowis wrote:In the roleplays, yes. I understand your own private roleplays don't use MAD, but the forum rps take a more realistic approach.


Ah I see well guess I'll stick to firebombs then, hopefully they'll work better here then they did against Japan.

Wait actually can we even wage war against nations with WMDs then, or are they basically a sheet of paper with "I can do what I want" written on them?


Firebombing civilian populations is a war crime, my guy
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Free-Reorganized-States
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Postby Free-Reorganized-States » Sun May 15, 2022 12:23 pm

New Roma Republic wrote:
Free-Reorganized-States wrote:
Ah I see well guess I'll stick to firebombs then, hopefully they'll work better here then they did against Japan.

Wait actually can we even wage war against nations with WMDs then, or are they basically a sheet of paper with "I can do what I want" written on them?


Firebombing civilian populations is a war crime, my guy


Or whatever they did in IRAQ same thing functionally.

Also they aren't civilians, not unless they agree to be.
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Wallowis
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Postby Wallowis » Sun May 15, 2022 12:25 pm

Free-Reorganized-States wrote:
New Roma Republic wrote:
Firebombing civilian populations is a war crime, my guy


Or whatever they did in IRAQ same thing functionally.

Yeah, that's also a war crime..


Saying "what about the time they did this which you're describing as a war crime" doesn't change our definitions
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Free-Reorganized-States
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Postby Free-Reorganized-States » Sun May 15, 2022 12:28 pm

Wallowis wrote:
Free-Reorganized-States wrote:
Or whatever they did in IRAQ same thing functionally.

Yeah, that's also a war crime..


Saying "what about the time they did this which you're describing as a war crime" doesn't change our definitions


Are you legitimately saying we aren't allowed to carpet bomb, are we using the Geneva conventions or something?

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Wallowis
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Postby Wallowis » Sun May 15, 2022 12:30 pm

Free-Reorganized-States wrote:
Wallowis wrote:Yeah, that's also a war crime..


Saying "what about the time they did this which you're describing as a war crime" doesn't change our definitions


Are you legitimately saying we aren't allowed to carpet bomb, are we using the Geneva conventions or something?

Like I said, bringing civillians into a purely military matter or directly attacking civillians or their rights as defined in the WA Declaration on Human Rights is our definition.
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Free-Reorganized-States
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Postby Free-Reorganized-States » Sun May 15, 2022 12:41 pm

Wallowis wrote:
Free-Reorganized-States wrote:
Are you legitimately saying we aren't allowed to carpet bomb, are we using the Geneva conventions or something?

Like I said, bringing civillians into a purely military matter or directly attacking civillians or their rights as defined in the WA Declaration on Human Rights is our definition.


Oh okay then, mind if you link it so I can give a read?
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The New Puerto transitional republic
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Postby The New Puerto transitional republic » Sun May 15, 2022 12:42 pm

Wallowis wrote:
Free-Reorganized-States wrote:
Are you legitimately saying we aren't allowed to carpet bomb, are we using the Geneva conventions or something?

Like I said, bringing civillians into a purely military matter or directly attacking civillians or their rights as defined in the WA Declaration on Human Rights is our definition.

So UN declaration of human rights?
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Wallowis
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Postby Wallowis » Sun May 15, 2022 12:43 pm

The New Puerto transitional republic wrote:
Wallowis wrote:Like I said, bringing civillians into a purely military matter or directly attacking civillians or their rights as defined in the WA Declaration on Human Rights is our definition.

So UN declaration of human rights?

yes
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The New Puerto transitional republic
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Postby The New Puerto transitional republic » Sun May 15, 2022 12:45 pm

Wallowis wrote:
The New Puerto transitional republic wrote:So UN declaration of human rights?

yes

Well this looks bad. Remove religion and it’s most ok but… ZN is basically a theocracy.
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Free-Reorganized-States
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Postby Free-Reorganized-States » Sun May 15, 2022 12:58 pm

Wallowis wrote:
The New Puerto transitional republic wrote:So UN declaration of human rights?

yes


Well thankfully, they can't reasonably be counted as civilians, so I suppose there's no issues.

Unless the UN says I can't destroy buildings, in which case that's just unreasonable.

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The Military State of the Galapagos
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Postby The Military State of the Galapagos » Sun May 15, 2022 5:48 pm

The New Puerto transitional republic wrote:
The Military State of the Galapagos wrote:Your the one to talk

You also. I’ve seen your discord message history. Especially with under age girls.

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Charoskania
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Postby Charoskania » Mon May 16, 2022 4:01 am

Oceania has a very expensive system to run. Why hasn't it collapsed yet?
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GreatOceania
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Founded: Mar 25, 2021
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Postby GreatOceania » Mon May 16, 2022 7:56 am

Charoskania wrote:Oceania has a very expensive system to run. Why hasn't it collapsed yet?


Define expensive what system are you talking about and what aspect of it

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Charoskania
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Postby Charoskania » Mon May 16, 2022 8:11 am

GreatOceania wrote:
Charoskania wrote:Oceania has a very expensive system to run. Why hasn't it collapsed yet?


Define expensive what system are you talking about and what aspect of it

Oceania controls the territory of the British Empire, and they oppress anyone who does not succumb to their propaganda. With a territory that large, it would be very expensive to maintain.
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GreatOceania
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Postby GreatOceania » Mon May 16, 2022 8:25 am

Charoskania wrote:
GreatOceania wrote:
Define expensive what system are you talking about and what aspect of it

Oceania controls the territory of the British Empire, and they oppress anyone who does not succumb to their propaganda. With a territory that large, it would be very expensive to maintain.


The territories consists of Britain, All of America and the Oceanic nations, not everyone is oppressed the Proles have no interest in politics and just work until they die the inner party lives a lavish lifestyle profiting off of the perpetual war and any other war we take part in and also for the Proles and Outer party they live in Russian-style apartments due to being easy and cheap to construct so living conditions for them aren’t great unlike those in the Inner Party. Yes propaganda is everywhere and constantly playing and those who go against the Party will suffer It’s simple just follow what the party says, don’t think and speak newspeak.

How we maintain our land is employing cheap housing and using replaceable items in construction also we heavily use synthetic materials in almost everything yes we have the technology, knowledge, and resources to make living conditions better but we chose not to and instead divert them to the war effort the only people who are allowed to use natural resources (albeit at a limited extent) is the OSDRT who design and produce almost everything military equipment we do this to prevent a resource war with the 2 other superpower nations.

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Romanic Imperium
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Founded: Dec 14, 2021
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Postby Romanic Imperium » Mon May 16, 2022 6:43 pm

GreatOceania wrote:
Charoskania wrote:Oceania controls the territory of the British Empire, and they oppress anyone who does not succumb to their propaganda. With a territory that large, it would be very expensive to maintain.


The territories consists of Britain, All of America and the Oceanic nations, not everyone is oppressed the Proles have no interest in politics and just work until they die the inner party lives a lavish lifestyle profiting off of the perpetual war and any other war we take part in and also for the Proles and Outer party they live in Russian-style apartments due to being easy and cheap to construct so living conditions for them aren’t great unlike those in the Inner Party. Yes propaganda is everywhere and constantly playing and those who go against the Party will suffer It’s simple just follow what the party says, don’t think and speak newspeak.

How we maintain our land is employing cheap housing and using replaceable items in construction also we heavily use synthetic materials in almost everything yes we have the technology, knowledge, and resources to make living conditions better but we chose not to and instead divert them to the war effort the only people who are allowed to use natural resources (albeit at a limited extent) is the OSDRT who design and produce almost everything military equipment we do this to prevent a resource war with the 2 other superpower nations.


So your basically the Soviet Union
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GreatOceania
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Postby GreatOceania » Mon May 16, 2022 7:14 pm

Romanic Imperium wrote:So your basically the Soviet Union


No, apparently you didn't read anything in my post

If I was the USSR the Inner party which is made up of wealthy rich people wouldn't exist, those who are against us are re-educated and if that fails they're executed and no longer exist in Oceania the USSR send people no matter who they are to gulags while we have work camps we only send Eurasian and Eastasian POWs

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Romanic Imperium
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Postby Romanic Imperium » Mon May 16, 2022 8:08 pm

GreatOceania wrote:
Romanic Imperium wrote:So your basically the Soviet Union


No, apparently you didn't read anything in my post

If I was the USSR the Inner party which is made up of wealthy rich people wouldn't exist, those who are against us are re-educated and if that fails they're executed and no longer exist in Oceania the USSR send people no matter who they are to gulags while we have work camps we only send Eurasian and Eastasian POWs


So racist USSR
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GreatOceania
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Postby GreatOceania » Mon May 16, 2022 8:20 pm

Romanic Imperium wrote:
So racist USSR


no, what point of we're not the USSR you don't get

all 3 superpowers switch sides constantly and even then none of us can overpowered eachother

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The New Puerto transitional republic
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Postby The New Puerto transitional republic » Tue May 17, 2022 8:15 am

Romanic Imperium wrote:
GreatOceania wrote:
No, apparently you didn't read anything in my post

If I was the USSR the Inner party which is made up of wealthy rich people wouldn't exist, those who are against us are re-educated and if that fails they're executed and no longer exist in Oceania the USSR send people no matter who they are to gulags while we have work camps we only send Eurasian and Eastasian POWs


So racist USSR

Where do you get racism from 1984?
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Republica Federal de Catalunya
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Postby Republica Federal de Catalunya » Wed May 18, 2022 9:05 am

Observer Application

Your nation's full title: República Federal de Catalunya

Head of state: MHP Carles Puigdemon i Casamajó

Head of the government: MH Quim Torra i Pla

Representative name: MH Gemma Solanes i Rovira

Is your nation known for any human-right-related crises? If yes then list: No. We are a human rights respecten country.

Do you have the interest to be an official member in the future?: may be

Do you wish to share any pieces of information about human-right offends with the ULIBOR?: Yes

Are you a puppet of anyone? If yes then tell us: no

Technology level: MT

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Biladu Al Rafidayn
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Postby Biladu Al Rafidayn » Wed May 18, 2022 9:07 am

Republica Federal de Catalunya wrote:Observer Application

Your nation's full title: República Federal de Catalunya

Head of state: MHP Carles Puigdemon i Casamajó

Head of the government: MH Quim Torra i Pla

Representative name: MH Gemma Solanes i Rovira

Is your nation known for any human-right-related crises? If yes then list: No. We are a human rights respecten country.

Do you have the interest to be an official member in the future?: may be

Do you wish to share any pieces of information about human-right offends with the ULIBOR?: Yes

Are you a puppet of anyone? If yes then tell us: no

Technology level: MT

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East Stal Saillnerce
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Postby East Stal Saillnerce » Wed May 18, 2022 9:55 pm

Wallowis wrote:
The New Puerto transitional republic wrote:So UN declaration of human rights?

yes


Yeah, we really need to fix this. Again, does a violation of the Declaration constitute a war crime? If it does, I'm pretty certain several members no longer qualify for membership in ULIBOR. If it's a case-by-case issue, I think we really need to define what is considered a war crime and what isn't before it shows up when we put a person on trial who probably shouldn't be there.
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Republique Grande Francaise
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Postby Republique Grande Francaise » Thu May 19, 2022 4:58 am

East Stal Saillnerce wrote:
Wallowis wrote:yes


Yeah, we really need to fix this. Again, does a violation of the Declaration constitute a war crime? If it does, I'm pretty certain several members no longer qualify for membership in ULIBOR. If it's a case-by-case issue, I think we really need to define what is considered a war crime and what isn't before it shows up when we put a person on trial who probably shouldn't be there.


I think it's pretty clear what constitutes a war crime and what doesn't.

A war crime is a violation of the laws of war that gives rise to individual criminal responsibility for actions by the combatants, such as intentionally killing civilians or intentionally killing prisoners of war, torture, taking hostages, unnecessarily destroying civilian property, deception by perfidy, wartime sexual violence, pillaging, the conscription of children in the military, committing genocide or ethnic cleansing, the granting of no quarter despite surrender, and flouting the legal distinctions of proportionality and military necessity.

The formal concept of war crimes emerged from the codification of the customary international law that applied to warfare between sovereign states, such as the Lieber Code (1863) of the Union Army in the American Civil War and the Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907 for international war. In the aftermath of the Second World War, the war-crime trials of the leaders of the Axis powers established the Nuremberg principles of law, such as the fact that international criminal law defines what is a war crime. In 1949, the Geneva Conventions legally defined new war crimes and established that states could exercise universal jurisdiction over war criminals. In the late 20th century and early 21st century, international courts extrapolated and defined additional categories of war crimes applicable to a civil war.


Violation of Geneva and Hague Conventions constitute a war crime as does the violation of the declaration of human rights during wartime.
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Free Kathen
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Postby Free Kathen » Fri May 20, 2022 12:32 am

Crusader Team Application

Your nation's full title: The Holy Commonwealth of Free Kathen Peoples

Head of state: Preacher for the Council Enlil Re'Um

Head of the government: The People's Council

Representative name: Ereshkigal Tupsarru

Briefly describe your military: The army tends to focus on guerilla tactics and urban warfare, and the navy is particularly strong due to being a coastal nation. The army is meant to defend the people, along with their liberty, not as a bludgeon to conquer other countries with.

Is your nation known for any human-right-related crises? If yes then list: No

Are you willing to be neutral when dealing with a human-right-related crisis (Not deciding things by your political alliance): Yes

Are you a puppet of anyone? If yes then tell us: No

Technology level: Schitzo-tech (rudimentary Internet, no ICBMs, mechanical armor, non-sentient robots, otherwise modern weaponry)
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