Global Affairs OOC (Open)

[Gralov]

No, you didn't even read the additional sources I provided. The very fact that you can terminate every ICBM/or intercept most of it is godmodding. Not to add, your uncooperative and you keep trying to gain the upper hand as you try to take a make believe game seriously. You simply can't also divide OOC and IC things internally. (Your little alliance of yours holds a grudge against SM both OOC and IC.) The very fact that you say your project of yours is perfect (Even though I provided its flaws and sources to my claims on why it's really hard to intercept an ICBM) is evident that I shouldn't be role-playing with people like you. Going out to insult people inside a role-playing game says so, along with your audacity to go and say everything you make is perfect is the sole reason why I shouldn't be in this role-playing group with you.

Your additional sources I debunked them all. Read back. If your gonna call intercepting an ICBM godmodding, then you better call out the rest like SM, IHS, and a bunch of countries out there that actually put it IC. If that's what you think about me not dividing OOC and IC, then in the first place, I should have long been acting against SM or whatever, ever since they swallowed NATO, and insulted me in OOC manner because of the little adventure I planned OOC, that turns IC (Hello Meretica). The fact that there has been no IC actions during the creation of GENA despite their claims of it being different from GCN proves my point.

If you could've read it, maybe you would understand what I said. Anyways, I won't argue just to win a little skirmish over the internet, it is simply not viable, and I have better things to do rather than speaking to a concrete wall.

[Janpia]

Your additional sources I debunked them all. Read back. If your gonna call intercepting an ICBM godmodding, then you better call out the rest like SM, IHS, and a bunch of countries out there that actually put it IC. If that's what you think about me not dividing OOC and IC, then in the first place, I should have long been acting against SM or whatever, ever since they swallowed NATO, and insulted me in OOC manner because of the little adventure I planned OOC, that turns IC (Hello Meretica). The fact that there has been no IC actions during the creation of GENA despite their claims of it being different from GCN proves my point.

If you could've read it, maybe you would understand what I said. Anyways, I won't argue just to win a little skirmish over the internet, it is simply not viable, and I have better things to do rather than speaking to a concrete wall.

I read it. Even quoted it. Like I said, read back. The fact that you even used articles from anti-nuclear advocates lol

[Shazbotdom]

Your additional sources I debunked them all. Read back. If your gonna call intercepting an ICBM godmodding, then you better call out the rest like SM, IHS, and a bunch of countries out there that actually put it IC. If that's what you think about me not dividing OOC and IC, then in the first place, I should have long been acting against SM or whatever, ever since they swallowed NATO, and insulted me in OOC manner because of the little adventure I planned OOC, that turns IC (Hello Meretica). The fact that there has been no IC actions during the creation of GENA despite their claims of it being different from GCN proves my point.

If you could've read it, maybe you would understand what I said. Anyways, I won't argue just to win a little skirmish over the internet, it is simply not viable, and I have better things to do rather than speaking to a concrete wall.

Ask any military person and they will tell you that there is a window in any ICBM Launch where one can destroy the weapon with an ABM weapon. Your sources are full of shit, dude.

[Common Territories]

If you could've read it, maybe you would understand what I said. Anyways, I won't argue just to win a little skirmish over the internet, it is simply not viable, and I have better things to do rather than speaking to a concrete wall.

Ask any military person and they will tell you that there is a window in any ICBM Launch where one can destroy the weapon with an ABM weapon. Your sources are full of shit, dude.

Technically, there's 3 points where an ICBM can be intercepted. There was a good video posted somewhere on here from a documentary describing the actual events during a launch to impact; I remember it posted during this group's last argument concerning ICBMS. It actually did cover it perfectly and how each 3 points have their draws and risks. ICBMS aren't impervious, but they're especially difficult to hit considering no one has expertise in doing so for what I'd say is good reasons. Hence why my advice to everyone, leave ICBMS out of RP unless it's necessary to the plot. Because it always kills the thread.

[New Aeyariss]

To back up Shaz on this issue, modern ICBMs are fitted with a variety of means that are aimed at giving them a chance to evade ABMs - such as flares, capability to manoeuvre, etc.

According to most contemporary sources, capability of such a missile system to intercept an ICBM is about 40% a best.

I also need to point that strategic bombers and nuclear tipped cruise missiles are a thing

[Common Territories]

And just to spit this out again, you don't need to resort to nuclear weapons in RP. It turns into arguments just like now where nothing productive happens.

[Meretica]

And just to spit this out again, you don't need to resort to nuclear weapons in RP. It turns into arguments just like now where nothing productive happens.

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[Phenyzia]

Heh. Phen made a ICBM that is totally interceptable by Project: Umbrella

I am not sure I want to ask but what is Project: Umbrella?

[Janpia]

Heh. Phen made a ICBM that is totally interceptable by Project: Umbrella

I am not sure I want to ask but what is Project: Umbrella?

I made a post about it before Nifon even launched his stuff

[Gonswanza]

Heh. Phen made a ICBM that is totally interceptable by Project: Umbrella

I am not sure I want to ask but what is Project: Umbrella?

This but with lasers in space.

[Awesome Imperium]

Phen made icbms? * Arms viper2 interceptors and puts all interception stations on stand by.

[Gonswanza]

Phen made icbms? * Arms viper2 interceptors and puts all interception stations on stand by.

Bro... At this point practically anyone and everyone who's MT has at least one ICBM. Phen's had them for a long while now.

[Phenyzia]

Phen made icbms? * Arms viper2 interceptors and puts all interception stations on stand by.

Bro... At this point practically anyone and everyone who's MT has at least one ICBM. Phen's had them for a long while now.

Just tens of thousands of ICBMs and hundreds of thousands of smaller warheads. And we even know where -most- of them are at any point.

[Gonswanza]

Bro... At this point practically anyone and everyone who's MT has at least one ICBM. Phen's had them for a long while now.

Just tens of thousands of ICBMs and hundreds of thousands of smaller warheads. And we even know where -most- of them are at any point.

^Case in point. What's one more to the stockpile? And it's not like they are dumb enough to use them outright unless they are pushed to use them.

... Unlike certain nations.

[Phenyzia]

Just tens of thousands of ICBMs and hundreds of thousands of smaller warheads. And we even know where -most- of them are at any point.

^Case in point. What's one more to the stockpile? And it's not like they are dumb enough to use them outright unless they are pushed to use them.

... Unlike certain nations.

The stockpile keeps growing, adding to the clusterfuck that is imperial logistics. Something no mortal will ever truly comprehend. Some even whisper that deep in some siberian depot you'd probably be even able to find old muskets, long-forgotten among the endless stockpiles of equipment. One day I'll find an excuse to shove the old T-34 and Mosin-Nagant equivalents into a conflict, I have way too many of those in depots. Probably by handing them off to some poor rebels as "support".

[Gonswanza]

^Case in point. What's one more to the stockpile? And it's not like they are dumb enough to use them outright unless they are pushed to use them.

... Unlike certain nations.

The stockpile keeps growing, adding to the clusterfuck that is imperial logistics. Something no mortal will ever truly comprehend. Some even whisper that deep in some siberian depot you'd probably be even able to find old muskets, long-forgotten among the endless stockpiles of equipment. One day I'll find an excuse to shove the old T-34 and Mosin-Nagant equivalents into a conflict, I have way too many of those in depots. Probably by handing them off to some poor rebels as "support".

Throw them at ZN, tbh. The scant few resistance fighters there could use them. Maybe. I don't know.

[Awesome Imperium]

I'll be happy to give rebels some supplies, but I can't since I need all the weapons I can get.

[Sebrenskiya]

If your gonna debate about Excalibur again, read back. Its simple. Your video "proof" doesn't even have inner sources to begin with

No, you didn't even read the additional sources I provided. The very fact that you can terminate every ICBM/or intercept most of it is godmodding. Not to add, your uncooperative and you keep trying to gain the upper hand as you try to take a make believe game seriously. You simply can't also divide OOC and IC things internally. (Your little alliance of yours holds a grudge against SM both OOC and IC.) The very fact that you say your project of yours is perfect (Even though I provided its flaws and sources to my claims on why it's really hard to intercept an ICBM) is evident that I shouldn't be role-playing with people like you. Going out to insult people inside a role-playing game says so, along with your audacity to go and say everything you make is perfect is the sole reason why I shouldn't be in this role-playing group with you.

US Mid-Course Interceptors show a 40% success rate to hit missiles before they split into MIRVs with 2 interceptors.

SM-2 can also engage ICBMs and can do so in mid-course, terminal, and launch phase (mid-course is a bit tricky for SM-2 because the actual envelope where SM-2 can reach is usually rather small).

S-400 and in theory S-500 also have some limited ability to intercept ICBMs, though those would both be terminal phase would be stuck engaging MIRVs.

HGVs are a development of MIRVs which attempt to make terminal interception far more difficult (though, SM-2 and S-400/500 are maneuvering interceptors so I question if this is actually effective), but again these are MIRVs so in theory this is the most difficult time to intercept.

Merely having the ability to intercept ICBMs is not within itself a godmod, and more then plenty of weapon systems are capable of blocking the vast majority of a mass attack through saturation, but "throw enough missiles at it" is really true for just about anything. A Hawk division firing 500 interceptors at a Hypersonic Cruise Missile (HCM) would probably eventually connect.

[Janpia]

AI you forgot that we have warships in the Suez and Red Sea making an artificial island called Pandora. And by taking Suez, you're a direct threat from the former treaty with IHS

[Awesome Imperium]

AI you forgot that we have warships in the Suez and Red Sea making an artificial island called Pandora. And by taking Suez, you're a direct threat from the former treaty with IHS

What? Who authorized you to enter Roman Territory? and it's only against MCA, not KTO or anyone else and if ur making islands in my territory that's violating my International waters.

[Janpia]

AI you forgot that we have warships in the Suez and Red Sea making an artificial island called Pandora. And by taking Suez, you're a direct threat from the former treaty with IHS

What? Who authorized you to enter Roman Territory? and it's only against MCA, not KTO or anyone else and if ur making islands in my territory that's violating my International waters.

We are there in the first place if you dont know. Before your little blockade. And you're the one violating IHS territorial integrity itself. The Pandora island is part of the treaty, which GENA partly owns, but cannot place stuff

[Awesome Imperium]

What? Who authorized you to enter Roman Territory? and it's only against MCA, not KTO or anyone else and if ur making islands in my territory that's violating my International waters.

We are there in the first place if you dont know. Before your little blockade. And you're the one violating IHS territorial integrity itself. The Pandora island is part of the treaty, which GENA partly owns, but cannot place stuff

So your saying 3 alliances are violating my territorial waters?

Also, can someone tell me how to place a map chart file on my Factbook so I can make my map?

[Common Territories]

This is what happens when everyone and their grandmother claims the exact same plot of land

[Gonswanza]

We are there in the first place if you dont know. Before your little blockade. And you're the one violating IHS territorial integrity itself. The Pandora island is part of the treaty, which GENA partly owns, but cannot place stuff

So your saying 3 alliances are violating my territorial waters?

The Suez is international waters much like the Panama Canal and Strait of Gibraltar.

Seriously do you even do any research at all?

[Awesome Imperium]

So your saying 3 alliances are violating my territorial waters?

The Suez is international waters much like the Panama Canal and Strait of Gibraltar.

Seriously do you even do any research at all?

Yes i do and Egypt nationalized the suez during the cold war and sine egypt is a roman province i inherit the right to nationalize it since it is part of my share of the Roman Empire and why are you worried about it its only for MCA doesn't apply to you.