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Postby Deblar » Fri Jan 07, 2022 2:44 pm

“Please, let’s keep a level head, shall we? Now, if it pleases my fellow representatives, I believe that this draft may be able to provide a neutral position to please both sides of the conflict.”

Galapagos Peace Treaty

Article 1 - Coalition forces will begin a withdrawal that shall conclude in 1 month; the same will go for parties that supported the GLA

Article 2 - Hard labor camps are to be abolished and permanently prohibited, and prisoners of war regardless of who they support are to be freed by both sides

Article 3 - A reformed, unicameral Parliament will be created, with native Galapagosian citizens being required to be represented by a minimum of 60% of Parliament’s representatives to encourage native rule

Article 4 - The position of Governor is to be abolished, and replaced by a President with full executive powers seen in a traditional three branch government

Article 5 - Coalition members will be allowed to trade with the Galapagos, however native-led development free of foreign interference will be strongly encouraged and the right to economic self-sufficiency for the Galapagos upheld to prevent the economy from being overwhelmingly dependent on foreign investment

Article 6 - The Galapagos will be allowed to have an army, though it cannot exceed 7,500 active members at one time

Article 7 - Immigrants from Coalition nations will be allowed to stay in the Galapagos if they wish to do so

Article 8 - The Provisional Council’s powers will be limited to monitoring the Galapagosian government and exercising an Order of Restraint to warn the Galapagos government against abusing its powers to violate this treaty. If an Order of Restraint is not heeded to, the Council has authority to assume temporary control over the Galapagos, though only for at most 2 months

Article 9 - The Free States of the Galapagos is to be recognized by both sides as a Galapagos and nation independent from the Tourist Paradise of the Galapagos

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Postby The Military State of the Galapagos » Fri Jan 07, 2022 2:49 pm

Deblar wrote:“Please, let’s keep a level head, shall we? Now, if it pleases my fellow representatives, I believe that this draft may be able to provide a neutral position to please both sides of the conflict.”

Galapagos Peace Treaty

Article 1 - Coalition forces will begin a withdrawal that shall conclude in 1 month; the same will go for parties that supported the GLA

Article 2 - Hard labor camps are to be abolished and permanently prohibited, and prisoners of war regardless of who they support are to be freed by both sides

Article 3 - A reformed, unicameral Parliament will be created, with native Galapagosian citizens being required to be represented by a minimum of 60% of Parliament’s representatives to encourage native rule

Article 4 - The position of Governor is to be abolished, and replaced by a President with full executive powers seen in a traditional three branch government

Article 5 - Coalition members will be allowed to trade with the Galapagos, however native-led development free of foreign interference will be strongly encouraged and the right to economic self-sufficiency for the Galapagos upheld to prevent the economy from being overwhelmingly dependent on foreign investment

Article 6 - The Galapagos will be allowed to have an army, though it cannot exceed 7,500 active members at one time

Article 7 - Immigrants from Coalition nations will be allowed to stay in the Galapagos if they wish to do so

Article 8 - The Provisional Council’s powers will be limited to monitoring the Galapagosian government and exercising an Order of Restraint to warn the Galapagos government against abusing its powers to violate this treaty. If an Order of Restraint is not heeded to, the Council has authority to assume temporary control over the Galapagos, though only for at most 2 months

Article 9 - The Free States of the Galapagos is to be recognized by both sides as a Galapagos and nation independent from the Tourist Paradise of the Galapagos

I find problems again with numbers 6 and 7. The Galapagos military should not be limited to prevent this from happening again. And the SM immigrants were only moved here to attempt to oppress the voice of the people.
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Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Fri Jan 07, 2022 2:51 pm

Deblar wrote:“Please, let’s keep a level head, shall we? Now, if it pleases my fellow representatives, I believe that this draft may be able to provide a neutral position to please both sides of the conflict.”

Galapagos Peace Treaty

Article 1 - Coalition forces will begin a withdrawal that shall conclude in 1 month; the same will go for parties that supported the GLA

Article 2 - Hard labor camps are to be abolished and permanently prohibited, and prisoners of war regardless of who they support are to be freed by both sides

Article 3 - A reformed, unicameral Parliament will be created, with native Galapagosian citizens being required to be represented by a minimum of 60% of Parliament’s representatives to encourage native rule

Article 4 - The position of Governor is to be abolished, and replaced by a President with full executive powers seen in a traditional three branch government

Article 5 - Coalition members will be allowed to trade with the Galapagos, however native-led development free of foreign interference will be strongly encouraged and the right to economic self-sufficiency for the Galapagos upheld to prevent the economy from being overwhelmingly dependent on foreign investment

Article 6 - The Galapagos will be allowed to have an army, though it cannot exceed 7,500 active members at one time

Article 7 - Immigrants from Coalition nations will be allowed to stay in the Galapagos if they wish to do so

Article 8 - The Provisional Council’s powers will be limited to monitoring the Galapagosian government and exercising an Order of Restraint to warn the Galapagos government against abusing its powers to violate this treaty. If an Order of Restraint is not heeded to, the Council has authority to assume temporary control over the Galapagos, though only for at most 2 months

Article 9 - The Free States of the Galapagos is to be recognized by both sides as a Galapagos and nation independent from the Tourist Paradise of the Galapagos



Fred Edwards: “We don’t completely agree with Articles 3,4 and 5 due to a government already existing and the Galapagos at a point requiring coalition businesses to invest. Galapagos needs foreign investment to survive as a tourist paradise. We also completely disagree with a full on Galapagosian military.”
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Postby Vikanias » Fri Jan 07, 2022 2:59 pm

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
Deblar wrote:“Please, let’s keep a level head, shall we? Now, if it pleases my fellow representatives, I believe that this draft may be able to provide a neutral position to please both sides of the conflict.”

Galapagos Peace Treaty

Article 1 - Coalition forces will begin a withdrawal that shall conclude in 1 month; the same will go for parties that supported the GLA

Article 2 - Hard labor camps are to be abolished and permanently prohibited, and prisoners of war regardless of who they support are to be freed by both sides

Article 3 - A reformed, unicameral Parliament will be created, with native Galapagosian citizens being required to be represented by a minimum of 60% of Parliament’s representatives to encourage native rule

Article 4 - The position of Governor is to be abolished, and replaced by a President with full executive powers seen in a traditional three branch government

Article 5 - Coalition members will be allowed to trade with the Galapagos, however native-led development free of foreign interference will be strongly encouraged and the right to economic self-sufficiency for the Galapagos upheld to prevent the economy from being overwhelmingly dependent on foreign investment

Article 6 - The Galapagos will be allowed to have an army, though it cannot exceed 7,500 active members at one time

Article 7 - Immigrants from Coalition nations will be allowed to stay in the Galapagos if they wish to do so

Article 8 - The Provisional Council’s powers will be limited to monitoring the Galapagosian government and exercising an Order of Restraint to warn the Galapagos government against abusing its powers to violate this treaty. If an Order of Restraint is not heeded to, the Council has authority to assume temporary control over the Galapagos, though only for at most 2 months

Article 9 - The Free States of the Galapagos is to be recognized by both sides as a Galapagos and nation independent from the Tourist Paradise of the Galapagos



Fred Edwards: “We don’t completely agree with Articles 3,4 and 5 due to a government already existing and the Galapagos at a point requiring coalition businesses to invest. Galapagos needs foreign investment to survive as a tourist paradise. We also completely disagree with a full on Galapagosian military.”


“We believe that Deblars treaty is very fair besides section 6, your tourist paradise wasn’t formed in the will of the Galapogian people and thus doesn’t need to exist anymore. The Galapagos Mr. Edwards is no longer good for the coalition and it causes more damage then it heals.”
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Postby Meretica » Fri Jan 07, 2022 2:59 pm

Governor Obama says, "Deblar's plan is balanced. We can work out a few kinks from there. With Articles 3 and 4, it may be best to use a new government so that natives do not act as though they are being ruled by a Marajarbian. With Article 5, the new government ought to be given power over this. Articles 6 should max the army size out at 15,000 for defense purposes, while Article 7 should remain in place. People have a right to determine where they live, and as such, an additional article should be added to protect immigrants from potential hate crimes."

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Postby The Military State of the Galapagos » Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:04 pm

Again we will state that we will never accept any limitations on our armed forces. We need them in order to prevent a situation like this happens again.
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Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:04 pm

Meretica wrote:Governor Obama says, "Deblar's plan is balanced. We can work out a few kinks from there. With Articles 3 and 4, it may be best to use a new government so that natives do not act as though they are being ruled by a Marajarbian. With Article 5, the new government ought to be given power over this. Articles 6 should max the army size out at 15,000 for defense purposes, while Article 7 should remain in place. People have a right to determine where they live, and as such, an additional article should be added to protect immigrants from potential hate crimes."


Fred Edwards: "No. What the Galapagos needs isn't listed out in Articles 3, 4, 5, and 6. What the Galapagos needs as a tourist paradise is continued foreign investment, with the current government and elections being held immediately after these peace talks. The current government will, in the eyes of the Marajarbian people and those ethnically classified as Marajarbian-Galapagosians, remain under the current government. Or, at the very least, hold free and fair elections with no fascists. No full on military forces or weapons either."
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Postby Vikanias » Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:09 pm

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
Meretica wrote:Governor Obama says, "Deblar's plan is balanced. We can work out a few kinks from there. With Articles 3 and 4, it may be best to use a new government so that natives do not act as though they are being ruled by a Marajarbian. With Article 5, the new government ought to be given power over this. Articles 6 should max the army size out at 15,000 for defense purposes, while Article 7 should remain in place. People have a right to determine where they live, and as such, an additional article should be added to protect immigrants from potential hate crimes."


Fred Edwards: "No. What the Galapagos needs isn't listed out in Articles 3, 4, 5, and 6. What the Galapagos needs as a tourist paradise is continued foreign investment, with the current government and elections being held immediately after these peace talks. The current government will, in the eyes of the Marajarbian people and those ethnically classified as Marajarbian-Galapagosians, remain under the current government. Or, at the very least, hold free and fair elections with no fascists. No full on military forces or weapons either."


“Which you will lose since the Galapagosian people outnumber you? Listen Mr. Edwards your vision for a tourist paradise is flawed and has only Southeast Marhababuians in mind. You caused your own fall in the Galapagos, face it or not. The Galapagos is fine without your flawed thinking.”
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Meretica
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Postby Meretica » Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:10 pm

The Military State of the Galapagos wrote:Again we will state that we will never accept any limitations on our armed forces. We need them in order to prevent a situation like this happens again.

"Part of the reason that this situation happened was because of your military's size, power, and control over the country. We need to find a way to stop it from being too big or too small."

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Postby The Military State of the Galapagos » Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:15 pm

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
Meretica wrote:Governor Obama says, "Deblar's plan is balanced. We can work out a few kinks from there. With Articles 3 and 4, it may be best to use a new government so that natives do not act as though they are being ruled by a Marajarbian. With Article 5, the new government ought to be given power over this. Articles 6 should max the army size out at 15,000 for defense purposes, while Article 7 should remain in place. People have a right to determine where they live, and as such, an additional article should be added to protect immigrants from potential hate crimes."


Fred Edwards: "No. What the Galapagos needs isn't listed out in Articles 3, 4, 5, and 6. What the Galapagos needs as a tourist paradise is continued foreign investment, with the current government and elections being held immediately after these peace talks. The current government will, in the eyes of the Marajarbian people and those ethnically classified as Marajarbian-Galapagosians, remain under the current government. Or, at the very least, hold free and fair elections with no fascists. No full on military forces or weapons either."

The Galapagos will never bend to your twisted vision of how the world should be. Neither will we accept your sub-humans in our government nor our country. If this negotiation fails then let it be known that the extermination camps of your “people” if they can be called that will ramp up again. We will never become slaves to your racist communist regime and we will always rebel until you shoot every last one of us.
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Postby Meretica » Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:16 pm

"Both of you stop. We are here to find a solution to this issue. Instead of insulting one another, let's get back to the specifics."

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Postby The Territories of Sealand » Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:18 pm

Military restrictions don't need to happen if the army doesn't get involved in politics, and both sides promise to sign a NAP and to try to ease relations. While the immigrants from SM seem to have good intentions, they are detrimental to the Galapagos, and some attempt should be made to prevent further migration at the very least, and some may have to leave for their own safety. WMDs can be used if the GLA promises to only use them if some are being launched at them. Neither the GLA nor the coalition government can have complete control of the Galapagosian government if this treaty is to have a vague chance of success.
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Postby Meretica » Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:21 pm

The Territories of Sealand wrote:Military restrictions don't need to happen if the army doesn't get involved in politics, and both sides promise to sign a NAP and to try to ease relations. While the immigrants from SM seem to have good intentions, they are detrimental to the Galapagos, and some attempt should be made to prevent further migration at the very least, and some may have to leave for their own safety. WMDs can be used if the GLA promises to only use them if some are being launched at them. Neither the GLA nor the coalition government can have complete control of the Galapagosian government if this treaty is to have a vague chance of success.

"Meretica will not support disrupting the lives of immigrants. That's unhumanitarian."

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Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:26 pm

The Territories of Sealand wrote:Military restrictions don't need to happen if the army doesn't get involved in politics, and both sides promise to sign a NAP and to try to ease relations. While the immigrants from SM seem to have good intentions, they are detrimental to the Galapagos, and some attempt should be made to prevent further migration at the very least, and some may have to leave for their own safety. WMDs can be used if the GLA promises to only use them if some are being launched at them. Neither the GLA nor the coalition government can have complete control of the Galapagosian government if this treaty is to have a vague chance of success.


Fred Edwards: "No, we absolutely refuse to allow that to happen. We can't give nuclear weapons to a godforsaken terrorist organization."
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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:29 pm

…Why am I even here? Adjutant?
-Ma’m, the Galapagos conflict- we’re trying to reach a peace treaty…
-Ah yes, this “genius” sinkhole of approximately 11 million dollars worth of assets which could be used in a far more useful way, how could I even forget!

After spending a few minutes being set up by the adjutant, Teilga generally agrees with the treaty proposed by Deblar, especially considering Laka already getting what they wanted out of the conflict (a lot of cheap slave captured labor they needed for construction work)- moreover than that they propose exchanging prisoners after the signature of the conflict, because the construction is already nearly finished.

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Postby The Territories of Sealand » Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:33 pm

Meretica wrote:
The Territories of Sealand wrote:Military restrictions don't need to happen if the army doesn't get involved in politics, and both sides promise to sign a NAP and to try to ease relations. While the immigrants from SM seem to have good intentions, they are detrimental to the Galapagos, and some attempt should be made to prevent further migration at the very least, and some may have to leave for their own safety. WMDs can be used if the GLA promises to only use them if some are being launched at them. Neither the GLA nor the coalition government can have complete control of the Galapagosian government if this treaty is to have a vague chance of success.

"Meretica will not support disrupting the lives of immigrants. That's unhumanitarian."


Immigrants' lives are already disrupted in the Galapagos, and the people don't trust SM enough to welcome these immigrants. If relations get better, then my plans for restricting migration can be abandoned, but relations aren't getting better. Either the Galapagos people and the immigrants need to actively work to ease the tensions between them, or the immigrants will have to leave to avoid violence from the Galapagosian people. As for the nuclear issue, there doesn't seem to be a lot of debate on that, so we may leave that up to the Galapagos, though for now, WMDs can be constructed with a neutral body's supervision to ensure that nuclear weapons don't get fired on any coalition members, as well as a NAP possibly being used to help with those fears.
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Postby Deblar » Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:41 pm

Vikanias wrote:
Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
Fred Edwards: "No. What the Galapagos needs isn't listed out in Articles 3, 4, 5, and 6. What the Galapagos needs as a tourist paradise is continued foreign investment, with the current government and elections being held immediately after these peace talks. The current government will, in the eyes of the Marajarbian people and those ethnically classified as Marajarbian-Galapagosians, remain under the current government. Or, at the very least, hold free and fair elections with no fascists. No full on military forces or weapons either."


“Which you will lose since the Galapagosian people outnumber you? Listen Mr. Edwards your vision for a tourist paradise is flawed and has only Southeast Marhababuians in mind. You caused your own fall in the Galapagos, face it or not. The Galapagos is fine without your flawed thinking.”

“I must find myself in agreement with the Vikanias representative. This treaty is meant to end the conflict and protect the interests of the Galapagos, but it seems that the Marajarbians are only interested in peace if I aligns with their own interests.”

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Postby Meretica » Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:44 pm

Deblar wrote:
Vikanias wrote:
“Which you will lose since the Galapagosian people outnumber you? Listen Mr. Edwards your vision for a tourist paradise is flawed and has only Southeast Marhababuians in mind. You caused your own fall in the Galapagos, face it or not. The Galapagos is fine without your flawed thinking.”

“I must find myself in agreement with the Vikanias representative. This treaty is meant to end the conflict and protect the interests of the Galapagos, but it seems that the Marajarbians are only interested in peace if I aligns with their own interests.”

"The nation of Deblar needs to keep in mind that Vikanias is actively working with other nations that want to see these talks fail. While there is a point to be made, there is a moderate solution to be found. There is no need to go to one extreme or another."

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Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Fri Jan 07, 2022 6:40 pm

The Territories of Sealand wrote:
Meretica wrote:"Meretica will not support disrupting the lives of immigrants. That's unhumanitarian."


Immigrants' lives are already disrupted in the Galapagos, and the people don't trust SM enough to welcome these immigrants. If relations get better, then my plans for restricting migration can be abandoned, but relations aren't getting better. Either the Galapagos people and the immigrants need to actively work to ease the tensions between them, or the immigrants will have to leave to avoid violence from the Galapagosian people. As for the nuclear issue, there doesn't seem to be a lot of debate on that, so we may leave that up to the Galapagos, though for now, WMDs can be constructed with a neutral body's supervision to ensure that nuclear weapons don't get fired on any coalition members, as well as a NAP possibly being used to help with those fears.


Fred Edwards: "I have to reiterate this. We aren't allowing a nation to have nuclear weapons or any kind of WMD until it can be trusted. As for immigrants, they are immigrants. It is their choice to migrate to the Galapagos, and their choice to do what they wish. Marajarbian citizens living abroad definitely would not approve of having to go back home at all."
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Postby Zarnicovia nova » Fri Jan 07, 2022 6:49 pm

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Postby The Military State of the Galapagos » Fri Jan 07, 2022 7:19 pm

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
The Territories of Sealand wrote:
Immigrants' lives are already disrupted in the Galapagos, and the people don't trust SM enough to welcome these immigrants. If relations get better, then my plans for restricting migration can be abandoned, but relations aren't getting better. Either the Galapagos people and the immigrants need to actively work to ease the tensions between them, or the immigrants will have to leave to avoid violence from the Galapagosian people. As for the nuclear issue, there doesn't seem to be a lot of debate on that, so we may leave that up to the Galapagos, though for now, WMDs can be constructed with a neutral body's supervision to ensure that nuclear weapons don't get fired on any coalition members, as well as a NAP possibly being used to help with those fears.


Fred Edwards: "I have to reiterate this. We aren't allowing a nation to have nuclear weapons or any kind of WMD until it can be trusted. As for immigrants, they are immigrants. It is their choice to migrate to the Galapagos, and their choice to do what they wish. Marajarbian citizens living abroad definitely would not approve of having to go back home at all."

You know I must congratulate you on creating such a bad country that your people would rather live in the hellscape that is the Galapagos rather than your own country. Following in the footsteps of all communist nations I see, making life a living hell and starving your people
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Postby Janpia » Fri Jan 07, 2022 8:10 pm

Rep. Mavov: Well heres my suggestion. We should totally remove the limitation number of the Galapagos army, but Galapagos is not allowed to declare war, or have offensive capabilities such as ICBMs? That way, Galapagos can defend itself from any foreign aggressor, and at the same time, can't be a threat.

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Postby Texkentuck » Sat Jan 08, 2022 12:11 am

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
Deblar wrote:“Please, let’s keep a level head, shall we? Now, if it pleases my fellow representatives, I believe that this draft may be able to provide a neutral position to please both sides of the conflict.”

Galapagos Peace Treaty

Article 1 - Coalition forces will begin a withdrawal that shall conclude in 1 month; the same will go for parties that supported the GLA

Article 2 - Hard labor camps are to be abolished and permanently prohibited, and prisoners of war regardless of who they support are to be freed by both sides

Article 3 - A reformed, unicameral Parliament will be created, with native Galapagosian citizens being required to be represented by a minimum of 60% of Parliament’s representatives to encourage native rule

Article 4 - The position of Governor is to be abolished, and replaced by a President with full executive powers seen in a traditional three branch government

Article 5 - Coalition members will be allowed to trade with the Galapagos, however native-led development free of foreign interference will be strongly encouraged and the right to economic self-sufficiency for the Galapagos upheld to prevent the economy from being overwhelmingly dependent on foreign investment

Article 6 - The Galapagos will be allowed to have an army, though it cannot exceed 7,500 active members at one time

Article 7 - Immigrants from Coalition nations will be allowed to stay in the Galapagos if they wish to do so

Article 8 - The Provisional Council’s powers will be limited to monitoring the Galapagosian government and exercising an Order of Restraint to warn the Galapagos government against abusing its powers to violate this treaty. If an Order of Restraint is not heeded to, the Council has authority to assume temporary control over the Galapagos, though only for at most 2 months

Article 9 - The Free States of the Galapagos is to be recognized by both sides as a Galapagos and nation independent from the Tourist Paradise of the Galapagos



Fred Edwards: “We don’t completely agree with Articles 3,4 and 5 due to a government already existing and the Galapagos at a point requiring coalition businesses to invest. Galapagos needs foreign investment to survive as a tourist paradise. We also completely disagree with a full on Galapagosian military.”


In walks Vice-President Melanie Karon Hilda with TFS security detail and 4 flag beeriors litterally drinking "beer" displaying the flags of Texkentuck-U.C.C.R. She has a bottle of Vodka in her right hand and in the other a small eloquent thin cigar. She has a smile on her face is in a great mood. She takes her seat and blurts out on the way hear I read the Articles implemented by the government of Southeast Marajarbia. This is more sound than expected and our nation will help in implementing this as the diplomatic approach to such a failed **** **** of a state....She then states The King Iles worked with a crooked dictator and then made a deal to be that crooked dictator and the people rebelled...Which they should and let democracy ring.....The stipulations on their military is fine by me because the threat of a dictator coming to power can only maintain power by a strong military force. But has the people of this failed state had the right to an election to decide if they want our assistance?!............. If they don't we should honor that as decent sovereign nations.......... As was presented to me that the nation is overrun with special interests by all nations of this grouping gathered today. So hears the deal.......(she relights cigar with a lighter made of Gold and puffs) We want In- but we want the people to know everything our government does will 100% benefit the people......."(Her head crooked back)...... We intend offer education to the people in having a robust economy and given the tools to tap into their own resources. In the process we offer for the Texkentuck Royal Navy to defend their operations at sea. We offer our military upon request for defense of their nation if an actors acts tyrannical to such a non-barbaric yet wealthy population.....(She looks at the nation of King Iles Diplomat then makes eye contact) The King Iles must never implement their monarchy as ruler of these people but must fall into the guidelines like all of our nations to act so in a cordial moral diplomatic way...(She pauses and takes a quick puff) then continues to state- For a people displaced by government beuacracy and corruption." (She then puffs a big cloud of smoke and looks out upon the diplomats with cigar raised to her face and calmly states) We believe our nations should all have an embassy in Galapagos with a minimum of 1000 personal including security of that number allowed to opperate. If the new government of Galapagos wishes to disperse members then they should have the right. If we were dispersed we will destroy what we created constructively and peaceful......( An evil yet innocent smile comes to her face)
VP Hilda takes a gulp of her vodka and a very eloquent puff...
(very serious and clearly stated) We also offer for the nation to enter into participation in our Federal exchange and all other foreign exchanges we are involved in which will allow for the people to have capital gains and security.... Also here is an invitation to newly elected Government officials to visit our nations state dinners. At our state dinners we always insure a decent or more than decent give away. Wink, wink.
She finishes and then one of the flag bearers blurts out this is the new renaissance and lets be the force to convey power. Then he laughs miniacly and gulps down his beer. One of the TFS tosses him a beer from a near by ice cooler....Then under the breath but heard a TFS agent yet overheard on the VP's microphone....The WA is a failed international organization of nations. This is the beginning madam Vice-President. X is going to give it to ya!!!...Then laughs manically. The VP laughs looking up at him.... Also overheard by the agent is once we get our embassy we can have 500 diplomats from Yaak offered....We have John Alesog the diplomat on speed dial madam Vice-President.

The Vice-President nicely nods her head and takes another gulp of Texk Vodka....And states but it will be our operation Sir....

(reluctantly The Vice President then states) Does anyone have anything to say? Is it ok for our members of the free press of the Texkentuck News Network to enter this meeting and record live for our citizens and the world at large?....Or are we totalitarians?......She looks around the room with wide drunken cute blue eyes....
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Postby The Territories of Sealand » Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:57 am

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
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Immigrants' lives are already disrupted in the Galapagos, and the people don't trust SM enough to welcome these immigrants. If relations get better, then my plans for restricting migration can be abandoned, but relations aren't getting better. Either the Galapagos people and the immigrants need to actively work to ease the tensions between them, or the immigrants will have to leave to avoid violence from the Galapagosian people. As for the nuclear issue, there doesn't seem to be a lot of debate on that, so we may leave that up to the Galapagos, though for now, WMDs can be constructed with a neutral body's supervision to ensure that nuclear weapons don't get fired on any coalition members, as well as a NAP possibly being used to help with those fears.


Fred Edwards: "I have to reiterate this. We aren't allowing a nation to have nuclear weapons or any kind of WMD until it can be trusted. As for immigrants, they are immigrants. It is their choice to migrate to the Galapagos, and their choice to do what they wish. Marajarbian citizens living abroad definitely would not approve of having to go back home at all."


Janpia wrote:Rep. Mavov: Well heres my suggestion. We should totally remove the limitation number of the Galapagos army, but Galapagos is not allowed to declare war, or have offensive capabilities such as ICBMs? That way, Galapagos can defend itself from any foreign aggressor, and at the same time, can't be a threat.


For the issue with WMDs, I will agree with Janpia, as the GLA don't seem concerned about WMDs, and are more focused on having no army restrictions, so I would be willing to agree with SM on this. As for immigration, I stated another option on what the Galapagos could do with them, that would be helped by the easing of relations between SM and the Galapagos. While difficult to pull off, if you really wanted to keep the immigrants in the Galapagos, then you should go for that option. If that fails, then it's a choice between getting the immigrants out of the Galapagos, or risking thousands upon thousands of lives by refusing to allow their evacuation. In that case, we would have to support the former option, as it is better to evacuate an immigrant against their wishes than to merely put in the treaty that they will stay, and then stand by and watch them suffer even more. There are three choices, and if this peace is going to work, we need an agreement, and not one that only says that the immigrants can stay, with no explanation as to how to avoid their homes being burnt or them becoming second-class citizens.
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Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:27 am

Janpia wrote:Rep. Mavov: Well heres my suggestion. We should totally remove the limitation number of the Galapagos army, but Galapagos is not allowed to declare war, or have offensive capabilities such as ICBMs? That way, Galapagos can defend itself from any foreign aggressor, and at the same time, can't be a threat.


Fred Edwards: "Good suggestion, but I don't completely agree. The Civil Defense Force should become the sole form of Galapagosian Armed Forces to exist in that specific case. The Civil Defense Force is, after all, it's own military force that had been trained by the coalition."
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