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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:16 am

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I suppose the lore is useless if you insist to let Aursia or someone with the same name as the Leader?

Aursia won the election?


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Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Thu Apr 14, 2022 4:17 am

Just saw Global Affairs IC, and I have one question that I would like answered. How in the hell is it not clear enough to Gonswanza that they do not, and I repeat do not exist in GCN canon?

They have a weird canon in which NATO got dissolved instead of becoming part of GCN, they aren’t even in the year 2026, and to top it off joined KTO. I seriously do not know why, and I would like to know, because I have made it more than clear and more than obvious now.
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Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Thu Apr 14, 2022 5:38 am

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Opinion by: Lemska Hinyaruva





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Southeast Marajarbia wrote:The Marajarbian Herald:

Fact Check: GCN is now dead! Next WA claims is false!
By Ronald Davenport and Harold Rogers

It is no secret that the KTO enjoys spreading blatant falsehoods in the form of biased propaganda that portrays the GCN as "evil", with one of the more aggressive journalists being Mrs. Lemska Hinyaruva, but the following truly deserves the slowest claps:

"The GCN or known as the Global Confederation of Nations, claims itself to be the next WA. However, this is far from reality. As we all know, the WA is an international institution made up of more than 8000 active members, all voting for resolutions on the 2 WA councils. Infact, the last WA resolution, "Access To Scientific Knowledge", has gained a total of 16,276 votes. Meanwhile, the GCN has around 4 or 5 active members, that being SM, IHS, Aursi, Trenaka, or to some extent, Sealand. Those are the only nations that has heavily participated in GCN activities. The current resolution on their table, Alliance Political Parties Act, has so far only entertained Aursi and IHS. The last GCN resolution, the GCN Declaration of Human Rights, has gained a total of 5 votes. Their voting power does not match the World Assembly. Now next time you hear claims that the GCN is the next WA, always remember that the WA has more active voters and members than the GCN's. I am not even gonna start with the WA's number of resolutions compared to the GCN's."

The GCN may not have more than 8000 active members, but here is the thing. The Global Confederation of Nations has more than enough power and influence that just keeps on growing every single year. The GCN is one of the biggest alliances out there in the modern world, and it is one of the most influential alliances that is so influential that the KTO sees it as a threat that must be contained or destroyed. Of course, that much is obvious after the allegations made against the KTO in the conference to discuss the fate of Cypriot-Rhodes, in which no official vote to even send a representative to the talks was made by the KTO as a whole, and in which NUCLEAR WAR was threatened by the Galapagosian representative, who I remind you is from one of the founding dictatorships of the KTO. Keep in mind that the KTO's attempt to contain the GCN was in fact revealed by some of the other present diplomats, and that this has not been denied, so the KTO's motives are more than clear as day.

"The statement "GCN has extremely strong military" is also untrue. For the record, they have failed at Aursi. They have also failed to stop member states on the brink of civil war. Where are they on Romanic Imperium Civil war? Where are they when Meretica is having a political chasm? Where are they when Grande Germania is collapsing? Where are they when Karmiya came into power? All of that is just a false pretense to make GCN look big. I would rather put my bets on Allanean military, than the overall GCN "military". The only nations responding for the GCN military is just IHS."

Ah yes, 5,000 troops per member nation, with over 40+ member nations in the GCN, and the GCN Armed Forces are considered to be "weak". Not only that, but the big question to keep in mind here is the fact that who held the advantage in Aursi by the time the GCN officially intervened? The KTO did, because the GCN had not officially intervened as a whole by the time the war went south. When the Janpian coup resulted in the dictator and his regime coming to power took place, and the democratically elected PM was murdered in cold blood, what happened? Well, it was more than obvious that the Janpian Government did not call on the GCN to help, and that's definitely for certain! It was only until the dictator started attracting attention to himself in which an anti-GCN movement in Janpia started. There was no support for the GCN in that area at that time, and GCN had its focus on other things, such as the ACI and the big conference a few years back.

"Another reason why the GCN is dead, is because they have lost on their economic game. The active members, SM and IHS, is so far the only nations that has established trade partnership."

And this is what happens when you don't pay attention! The GCN Constitution already promises economic policies, and not only that, but what in the absolute hell happened to all of the pro-Capitalist laws that Mrs. Lemska was complaining about in her last articles? The ones that increase manufacturing, farming, production, the construction of railroads and development of existing canals? Those certainly have not been a focus for Mrs. Lemska in the slightest if this is the case. Not only that, but every single time that the GCN gets a new member, that member would be signing onto a series of somewhat mandatory agreements guaranteeing infrastructure reform and commerce with other GCN members. Trade routes open up and start developing with every new member that joins, including colonies and OEZ members.

"How's the GCN outer-economic zone program so far? At this point, they are nothing more but an advertisement place. No trade interactions, nor deal negotiations. Yes this is the "mighty" GCN trade that everyone fears of."

Speaking of the OEZ, not only did Mrs. Lemska fail to realize that the GCN has many economic laws, as well as understand what has been said the last paragraph within this article that is above this one regarding the functionality of most of those acts, but also believes that economic zones are not functional. They are economic zones. Everyone who is anyone knows how economic zones function. Take a look at SETZA, for example! That Corrish FTA guaranteed almost exactly what the GCN guarantees, and that is that products are sold while necessary revenue is obtained. It takes time to secure and develop economic zones, but at the very least it attracts attention!


Rebuttal:

This "fact check" report of my paper is made by Ronald Davenport and Harold Rogers. Surprising its not sir Adams anymore. But anyways, here is my rebuttal!

The GCN may not have more than 8000 active members, but here is the thing. The Global Confederation of Nations has more than enough power and influence that just keeps on growing every single year. The GCN is one of the biggest alliances out there in the modern world, and it is one of the most influential alliances that is so influential that the KTO sees it as a threat that must be contained or destroyed. Of course, that much is obvious after the allegations made against the KTO in the conference to discuss the fate of Cypriot-Rhodes, in which no official vote to even send a representative to the talks was made by the KTO as a whole, and in which NUCLEAR WAR was threatened by the Galapagosian representative, who I remind you is from one of the founding dictatorships of the KTO. Keep in mind that the KTO's attempt to contain the GCN was in fact revealed by some of the other present diplomats, and that this has not been denied, so the KTO's motives are more than clear as day.


Indeed the GCN doesn't have a number of 8,000 active members. Then why even advertise it as the next WA then? If it is indeed the next WA, it must have more active member states than the typical 5 member states. And as I said in my earlier paper, the WA has much more resolutions than the GCN. Not to mention, it can pass its resolutions in just 3 days, compared to the GCN which usually lasts for 1 to 3 weeks! Furthermore, the WA receives a lot of proposed resolutions everyday from different member states. Unlike GCN which so far has only received Meretican, Trenakan, SM, and Janpian proposed resolutions.

Another part of their claims, is there unrelated rant on the KTO, away from the fact checking they're originally doing. This one is about the KTO threatening Nuclear war on the Cypriot talks. Not to mention, the KTO didn't officially voted for their representative. Once again, these Marajarbians don't understand the basis of Democracy. I will start with the "no official vote" topic first. So foremost, the KTO is advertised as a democracy. And as for the meaning of democracy:

"A system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives."

However, there is a thing called direct democracy:

"Direct democracy or pure democracy is a form of democracy in which the electorate decides on policy initiatives without legislative representatives as proxies"

Meaning, EVERY member states belonging to the KTO, can represent the KTO. This is democracy in its purest form. Not to mention, not all KTO member states have interest on some aspects of the world. As such, those who attended the Cypriot talks are the KTO parties interested on to it. The Janpian State must've been watching the Cypriot talks early on, allowing any representatives to represent the KTO. However, they only stepped in as Galapagos threatens nuclear war, and some representatives wishing to remove the Galapasogian party. And of course, the KTO will only oblige if necessary. But as earlier stated by the Galapagosian Representative on the regards of his nuclear threat:

"It was however not meant to be taken so literally and was never meant to be put into action"

Now onto the nuclear threats topic. It must be noted that the Nuclear Limitations Act (NLA) passed by the Janpian Representative to the GCN, only receieves abstains and no votes. Thus, the NLA didn't passed for every member states. Isn't it a threat when one state possess a nuclear weapons in the first place? Galapagos threatening nuclear war is the same as possessing nuclear weapons. And the GCN is guilty for it.

Ah yes, 5,000 troops per member nation, with over 40+ member nations in the GCN, and the GCN Armed Forces are considered to be "weak". Not only that, but the big question to keep in mind here is the fact that who held the advantage in Aursi by the time the GCN officially intervened? The KTO did, because the GCN had not officially intervened as a whole by the time the war went south. When the Janpian coup resulted in the dictator and his regime coming to power took place, and the democratically elected PM was murdered in cold blood, what happened? Well, it was more than obvious that the Janpian Government did not call on the GCN to help, and that's definitely for certain! It was only until the dictator started attracting attention to himself in which an anti-GCN movement in Janpia started. There was no support for the GCN in that area at that time, and GCN had its focus on other things, such as the ACI and the big conference a few years back.


This is REALLY quite funny. 5,000 soldiers per nations, and theres 40+ member states. Lets all add that up shall we? So 5,000 x 40 is? 200,000! For context, the Janpian Revolutionary Expedition Force - Romanic Imperium (JREF-RI) has an estimated number of 200,000. The expeditionary force is just a small cut off branch from the main branch, the Janpian Union of Revolutionary Army (JURA). So yes, my point still stands that the GCN army is weak.

These Marajarbian writers stated that the Janpian Government didn't seek help to the GCN. What kind of alliance is this? An attack on one, is an attack against all. Period. The GCN must be responsible for the defense of its member-states. The Karmiya coup started and finished in just 8 hours! In 8 hours, the state and the party was taken by Karmiya, away from the reactionaries. Do you think the former reactionary government have the luxury of time to report to the GCN? And this folks, is what makes the KTO superior than the GCN. Oh and the Aursi war, the GCN is one of the first respondents on to it, starting with the Muqqadasian Government intervention, and as the war progressed, this was led by the Mereticans. So no, the GCN is there in the very beginning. Not when things went south for them.

The Janpian anti-GCN movement sparked much earlier than everyone knows about it. I still remember my dad's reaction when I was young. He went out shouting, and bashing the newspaper in our table. He was angry that NATO was transferred to the GCN. He was later arrested by the Public Marshals on the accusations of attacking a Marajarbian on our neighborhood. He was later proved to be innocent. However, his punishment of labor was still carried out. So no. Anti-GCN sentiments is there from the very beginning. Karmiya liberated us from the former Party members who are deep into GCN's influence. The Party is reborned to answer the People's voices once again.

And this is what happens when you don't pay attention! The GCN Constitution already promises economic policies, and not only that, but what in the absolute hell happened to all of the pro-Capitalist laws that Mrs. Lemska was complaining about in her last articles? The ones that increase manufacturing, farming, production, the construction of railroads and development of existing canals? Those certainly have not been a focus for Mrs. Lemska in the slightest if this is the case. Not only that, but every single time that the GCN gets a new member, that member would be signing onto a series of somewhat mandatory agreements guaranteeing infrastructure reform and commerce with other GCN members. Trade routes open up and start developing with every new member that joins, including colonies and OEZ members.


My anti-capitalist rant still remains true. What I've explained on my earlier paper, is that our economic policies, which is infact a socialist guided one, is much more proactive and superior than the capitalist GCN. Some may call it State monopoly, but do be reminded that those are part of the Janpian Export Program, whose main objectives is to showcase the works of Janpian labor unions. And fun fact, it is the ONLY program launched by the Ministry of Economy and Trade, that uses monetary systems for transactions. Oh and another thing, the Export Program also allows the exchange of material goods instead rather than money.

Tell me, what are those railways, canals, roads specifically? Has there been any specific trade route program established? Specific railway lines established? I've only heard about the IHS-SM railroad, yet its all talks, no actions. Be reminded that is just recent, compared to the old established Infrastructure and Transportation Modernization Act. Are there also any changes from the Meretican Canals? or IHS canals? None right? In fact, those infrastructure reforms are just another capitalist management laws. Nothing specific on the ground. It just cuts the red tape for capitalist transport companies, to allow them to freely construct over properties and lands. Tell me then Sir Ronald and Harold, what are these economic policies and infrastructure programs?

OEZ? Haven't heard any trading breakthroughs or anything other than capitalist companies opening leases to other nations "cause its much more profitable". Though all of these are quite normal already on capitalist world as far as I know. With or without GCN. One capitalist state government can declare an area a "Global Economic Zone" and it would gain attention from the rest.

Speaking of the OEZ, not only did Mrs. Lemska fail to realize that the GCN has many economic laws, as well as understand what has been said the last paragraph within this article that is above this one regarding the functionality of most of those acts, but also believes that economic zones are not functional. They are economic zones. Everyone who is anyone knows how economic zones function. Take a look at SETZA, for example! That Corrish FTA guaranteed almost exactly what the GCN guarantees, and that is that products are sold while necessary revenue is obtained. It takes time to secure and develop economic zones, but at the very least it attracts attention!


These economic zones, are nothing more but an advertisement boards for more possible GCN member states. And as I said, no particular state transactions, corporation/state exchange, or anything else, other than selling their goods to the public at much lower price on a different state. Though this one strikes my nerve on particular:

"Secure foreign investment to aid in the development of poor countries, or secure ties with rich countries."

So poor countries getting influenced by richer ones? Cause that's how it works under capitalism. Its called "Neo-colonization". Though in overall, the OEZ is nothing but capitalist centered, less corporate interactions, and another weapon of the GCN to expand their empire through the means of business.


Janpia, could not help but notice the last part, which I believe should be addressed. Economic Zones could be called neo-colonialism at some point, but economic zones are usually meant to create an economic bloc in a country and sell goods.

Just look at SETZA for example. Corrington made the agreement, and established Host Nations (Which host economic zones) and Foreign Consumer Nations (Nations that sell goods within the economic zone). In this case, GCN’s all of the foreign consumer nations (or at least a majority of foreign consumer nations), while nations that sign up for it are considered host nations.

Now, it is possible for nations within the OEZ program to obtain full GCN membership, but not quite in the way that you think. The easiest way to get full membership is just filling out the app here. Regardless, good post. Genuinely a decent read :).
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Postby Janpia » Thu Apr 14, 2022 5:49 am

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
Janpia wrote:
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Rebuttal by Lemska

Opinion by: Lemska Hinyaruva





Claim:



Rebuttal:

This "fact check" report of my paper is made by Ronald Davenport and Harold Rogers. Surprising its not sir Adams anymore. But anyways, here is my rebuttal!



Indeed the GCN doesn't have a number of 8,000 active members. Then why even advertise it as the next WA then? If it is indeed the next WA, it must have more active member states than the typical 5 member states. And as I said in my earlier paper, the WA has much more resolutions than the GCN. Not to mention, it can pass its resolutions in just 3 days, compared to the GCN which usually lasts for 1 to 3 weeks! Furthermore, the WA receives a lot of proposed resolutions everyday from different member states. Unlike GCN which so far has only received Meretican, Trenakan, SM, and Janpian proposed resolutions.

Another part of their claims, is there unrelated rant on the KTO, away from the fact checking they're originally doing. This one is about the KTO threatening Nuclear war on the Cypriot talks. Not to mention, the KTO didn't officially voted for their representative. Once again, these Marajarbians don't understand the basis of Democracy. I will start with the "no official vote" topic first. So foremost, the KTO is advertised as a democracy. And as for the meaning of democracy:

"A system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives."

However, there is a thing called direct democracy:

"Direct democracy or pure democracy is a form of democracy in which the electorate decides on policy initiatives without legislative representatives as proxies"

Meaning, EVERY member states belonging to the KTO, can represent the KTO. This is democracy in its purest form. Not to mention, not all KTO member states have interest on some aspects of the world. As such, those who attended the Cypriot talks are the KTO parties interested on to it. The Janpian State must've been watching the Cypriot talks early on, allowing any representatives to represent the KTO. However, they only stepped in as Galapagos threatens nuclear war, and some representatives wishing to remove the Galapasogian party. And of course, the KTO will only oblige if necessary. But as earlier stated by the Galapagosian Representative on the regards of his nuclear threat:

"It was however not meant to be taken so literally and was never meant to be put into action"

Now onto the nuclear threats topic. It must be noted that the Nuclear Limitations Act (NLA) passed by the Janpian Representative to the GCN, only receieves abstains and no votes. Thus, the NLA didn't passed for every member states. Isn't it a threat when one state possess a nuclear weapons in the first place? Galapagos threatening nuclear war is the same as possessing nuclear weapons. And the GCN is guilty for it.



This is REALLY quite funny. 5,000 soldiers per nations, and theres 40+ member states. Lets all add that up shall we? So 5,000 x 40 is? 200,000! For context, the Janpian Revolutionary Expedition Force - Romanic Imperium (JREF-RI) has an estimated number of 200,000. The expeditionary force is just a small cut off branch from the main branch, the Janpian Union of Revolutionary Army (JURA). So yes, my point still stands that the GCN army is weak.

These Marajarbian writers stated that the Janpian Government didn't seek help to the GCN. What kind of alliance is this? An attack on one, is an attack against all. Period. The GCN must be responsible for the defense of its member-states. The Karmiya coup started and finished in just 8 hours! In 8 hours, the state and the party was taken by Karmiya, away from the reactionaries. Do you think the former reactionary government have the luxury of time to report to the GCN? And this folks, is what makes the KTO superior than the GCN. Oh and the Aursi war, the GCN is one of the first respondents on to it, starting with the Muqqadasian Government intervention, and as the war progressed, this was led by the Mereticans. So no, the GCN is there in the very beginning. Not when things went south for them.

The Janpian anti-GCN movement sparked much earlier than everyone knows about it. I still remember my dad's reaction when I was young. He went out shouting, and bashing the newspaper in our table. He was angry that NATO was transferred to the GCN. He was later arrested by the Public Marshals on the accusations of attacking a Marajarbian on our neighborhood. He was later proved to be innocent. However, his punishment of labor was still carried out. So no. Anti-GCN sentiments is there from the very beginning. Karmiya liberated us from the former Party members who are deep into GCN's influence. The Party is reborned to answer the People's voices once again.



My anti-capitalist rant still remains true. What I've explained on my earlier paper, is that our economic policies, which is infact a socialist guided one, is much more proactive and superior than the capitalist GCN. Some may call it State monopoly, but do be reminded that those are part of the Janpian Export Program, whose main objectives is to showcase the works of Janpian labor unions. And fun fact, it is the ONLY program launched by the Ministry of Economy and Trade, that uses monetary systems for transactions. Oh and another thing, the Export Program also allows the exchange of material goods instead rather than money.

Tell me, what are those railways, canals, roads specifically? Has there been any specific trade route program established? Specific railway lines established? I've only heard about the IHS-SM railroad, yet its all talks, no actions. Be reminded that is just recent, compared to the old established Infrastructure and Transportation Modernization Act. Are there also any changes from the Meretican Canals? or IHS canals? None right? In fact, those infrastructure reforms are just another capitalist management laws. Nothing specific on the ground. It just cuts the red tape for capitalist transport companies, to allow them to freely construct over properties and lands. Tell me then Sir Ronald and Harold, what are these economic policies and infrastructure programs?

OEZ? Haven't heard any trading breakthroughs or anything other than capitalist companies opening leases to other nations "cause its much more profitable". Though all of these are quite normal already on capitalist world as far as I know. With or without GCN. One capitalist state government can declare an area a "Global Economic Zone" and it would gain attention from the rest.



These economic zones, are nothing more but an advertisement boards for more possible GCN member states. And as I said, no particular state transactions, corporation/state exchange, or anything else, other than selling their goods to the public at much lower price on a different state. Though this one strikes my nerve on particular:

"Secure foreign investment to aid in the development of poor countries, or secure ties with rich countries."

So poor countries getting influenced by richer ones? Cause that's how it works under capitalism. Its called "Neo-colonization". Though in overall, the OEZ is nothing but capitalist centered, less corporate interactions, and another weapon of the GCN to expand their empire through the means of business.


Janpia, could not help but notice the last part, which I believe should be addressed. Economic Zones could be called neo-colonialism at some point, but economic zones are usually meant to create an economic bloc in a country and sell goods.

Just look at SETZA for example. Corrington made the agreement, and established Host Nations (Which host economic zones) and Foreign Consumer Nations (Nations that sell goods within the economic zone). In this case, GCN’s all of the foreign consumer nations (or at least a majority of foreign consumer nations), while nations that sign up for it are considered host nations.

Now, it is possible for nations within the OEZ program to obtain full GCN membership, but not quite in the way that you think. The easiest way to get full membership is just filling out the app here. Regardless, good post. Genuinely a decent read :).


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Postby New Roma Republic » Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:04 am

So forgive my ignorance on the state of alliances atm. I've spent a long time not paying attention to II and focusing on regional stuff. What is the KTO? I keep seeing references to it in some RPs, but I am not familiar with the alliance
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Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:13 am

New Roma Republic wrote:So forgive my ignorance on the state of alliances atm. I've spent a long time not paying attention to II and focusing on regional stuff. What is the KTO? I keep seeing references to it in some RPs, but I am not familiar with the alliance


KTO is pretty much one of those alliances that was made specifically to oppose the GCN, or any one of my alliances. So, basically just a rival alliance that is such a rival that there’s a Cold War going on.
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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:14 am

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
New Roma Republic wrote:So forgive my ignorance on the state of alliances atm. I've spent a long time not paying attention to II and focusing on regional stuff. What is the KTO? I keep seeing references to it in some RPs, but I am not familiar with the alliance


KTO is pretty much one of those alliances that was made specifically to oppose the GCN, or any one of my alliances. So, basically just a rival alliance that is such a rival that there’s a Cold War going on.

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Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:19 am

Islamic Holy Sites wrote:
Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
KTO is pretty much one of those alliances that was made specifically to oppose the GCN, or any one of my alliances. So, basically just a rival alliance that is such a rival that there’s a Cold War going on.

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That too. GCN was certainly a group effort. Although I have doubts that other people see it as that based on some posts I have seen.
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Postby Yaak » Thu Apr 14, 2022 5:10 pm

I think we should intervene in Tonga.
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Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Thu Apr 14, 2022 5:19 pm

Yaak wrote:I think we should intervene in Tonga.


GCN has other matters of focus to attend to. Constant participation in conflict after conflict will harm the GCN, and that’s not quite what is necessary at this moment.
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Postby Aursi » Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:07 pm

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Yaak wrote:I think we should intervene in Tonga.


GCN has other matters of focus to attend to. Constant participation in conflict after conflict will harm the GCN, and that’s not quite what is necessary at this moment.

That'd give Lemska a thing to scream about. And Tonga isn't even part of GCN anymore. There isn't anything that could help GCN if we invade them. They have a military of 2,500. Pretty sure a single power can end that in a snap.
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Postby New Roma Republic » Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:07 pm

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Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
GCN has other matters of focus to attend to. Constant participation in conflict after conflict will harm the GCN, and that’s not quite what is necessary at this moment.

That'd give Lemska a thing to scream about. And Tonga isn't even part of GCN anymore. There isn't anything that could help GCN if we invade them. They have a military of 2,500. Pretty sure a single power can end that in a snap.


hell, a rightly places cruise missile strike could take that out in a snap
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Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:13 pm

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Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
GCN has other matters of focus to attend to. Constant participation in conflict after conflict will harm the GCN, and that’s not quite what is necessary at this moment.

That'd give Lemska a thing to scream about. And Tonga isn't even part of GCN anymore. There isn't anything that could help GCN if we invade them. They have a military of 2,500. Pretty sure a single power can end that in a snap.


Meh. Honestly, who really cares about the opinion of Lemska at this point? A majority of posts involving them are pure sh*tposts, meant to be taken semi-seriously at best. Janpia’s good at writing, though.

And no. I am still against it until at least one of the ongoing conflicts are solved. CR is just a conference in which GCN is just gaining more traction in at this point.
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Postby Aursi » Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:35 pm

A good enough military can end Tonga. Like how can't that kind of a coalition beat a nation with 2500 personell. IHS, Aquaria and lots more. I think IHS alone has the capability to banish them to the shadow realm. And that big of a coalition can do it easily. There's no point in interverning.
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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:19 am

Aursi wrote:A good enough military can end Tonga. Like how can't that kind of a coalition beat a nation with 2500 personell. IHS, Aquaria and lots more. I think IHS alone has the capability to banish them to the shadow realm. And that big of a coalition can do it easily. There's no point in interverning.

Lemska would scream about anything. If we intervene, it’s violating another country’s sovereignty. If we don’t, it’s ignoring the slave trade.
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Pardon, who is Lemska?
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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:45 am

The Aquaria wrote:Pardon, who is Lemska?

The author of many Janpian anti-GCN articles
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Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:26 am

Islamic Holy Sites wrote:
Aursi wrote:A good enough military can end Tonga. Like how can't that kind of a coalition beat a nation with 2500 personell. IHS, Aquaria and lots more. I think IHS alone has the capability to banish them to the shadow realm. And that big of a coalition can do it easily. There's no point in interverning.

Lemska would scream about anything. If we intervene, it’s violating another country’s sovereignty. If we don’t, it’s ignoring the slave trade.


I don’t think that ICly, Janpia as a nation has people that do not care about sovereignty or democracy based on what they have said.
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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:28 am

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
Islamic Holy Sites wrote:Lemska would scream about anything. If we intervene, it’s violating another country’s sovereignty. If we don’t, it’s ignoring the slave trade.


I don’t think that ICly, Janpia as a nation has people that do not care about sovereignty or democracy based on what they have said.

Would Lemska care?
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Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:30 am

Islamic Holy Sites wrote:
Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
I don’t think that ICly, Janpia as a nation has people that do not care about sovereignty or democracy based on what they have said.

Would Lemska care?


Probably not. All Lemska does is rant about GCN too much.
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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:32 am

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
Islamic Holy Sites wrote:Would Lemska care?


Probably not. All Lemska does is rant about GCN too much.

Should the GCN officially condemn Tonga?
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Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:40 am

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Probably not. All Lemska does is rant about GCN too much.

Should the GCN officially condemn Tonga?


That’s certainly more than possible. So long as it is just a condemnation.
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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:40 am

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
Islamic Holy Sites wrote:Should the GCN officially condemn Tonga?


That’s certainly more than possible. So long as it is just a condemnation.

Toonga is doomed, the GCN doesn’t need to join in.
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Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:42 am

Islamic Holy Sites wrote:
Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
That’s certainly more than possible. So long as it is just a condemnation.

Toonga is doomed, the GCN doesn’t need to join in.


Agreed.
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