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[Meretica]

Oh, yeah? Which GA? the one you left because of your interests? UF and GA haven't to a day implemented any resolution passed by WA General Assembly or Security Council. And don't force others to change their lore and story just because of your beliefs. And as far as your NATO concerns are related they have joined it because they have beliefs and their security interests.
Its Charter lights everything it stands for, unlike your alliances which have had no charter.

(Bolding Mine) You do know that I rejoined GA, right? Not only that, but the reason why no WA legislation has been passed by UF or GA is because some members either do not like the WA and have lost faith in its democratic institutions, or because WA successors are successors, meaning that it is not required for them who abide by a majority of their predecessors laws if the members of said successor do not want to.

Also, wdym by "story and lore"? NATO has no story nor lore, because its a complete replica of the actual RL NATO. The link you posted on the NATO thread links to the RL charter. Hell, the first couple of pages of the NATO sign up thread just involves nations based off of RL with RL leaders. That's not story or lore unless you create it yourself, mate.

I'd also like to add that some, such as myself, are in the process of losing faith in the WA due to its overbearing nature and because it constantly forces laws onto unwilling nations. While I've agreed that most WA proposals are inherently good, national sovereignty violations are still a big no-no, and I'll probably RP Meretica leaving the WA for the UF permanently in the near future-- the Empire might join in return though and "follow" the WA's policies.

[Greatest States Of America]

Oh, yeah? Which GA? the one you left because of your interests? UF and GA haven't to a day implemented any resolution passed by WA General Assembly or Security Council. And don't force others to change their lore and story just because of your beliefs. And as far as your NATO concerns are related they have joined it because they have beliefs and their security interests.
Its Charter lights everything it stands for, unlike your alliances which have had no charter.

(Bolding Mine) You do know that I rejoined GA, right? Not only that, but the reason why no WA legislation has been passed by UF or GA is because some members either do not like the WA and have lost faith in its democratic institutions, or because WA successors are successors, meaning that it is not required for them who abide by a majority of their predecessors laws if the members of said successor do not want to.

Also, wdym by "story and lore"? NATO has no story nor lore, because its a complete replica of the actual RL NATO. The link you posted on the NATO thread links to the RL charter. Hell, the first couple of pages of the NATO sign up thread just involves nations based off of RL with RL leaders. That's not story or lore unless you create it yourself, mate.

Yes, I know you've rejoined the GA some days ago. If you don't like it and many of your members don't believe in WA then why do you claim to be his successor?
To be honest the NATO in NS is very different from RL NATO. In RL NATO its members can be only those members who are in the area of North Atlantic and are either in Europe or North America.
I haven't imposed this rule of law. I have nations who are in Asia, South America, Europe, North America, Oceania it's diverse. And what do you expect me to do? Open up a website for NATO haha where I can post its charter and else. Also, I was referring to other players lore, not mine.

[Meretica]

(Bolding Mine) You do know that I rejoined GA, right? Not only that, but the reason why no WA legislation has been passed by UF or GA is because some members either do not like the WA and have lost faith in its democratic institutions, or because WA successors are successors, meaning that it is not required for them who abide by a majority of their predecessors laws if the members of said successor do not want to.

Also, wdym by "story and lore"? NATO has no story nor lore, because its a complete replica of the actual RL NATO. The link you posted on the NATO thread links to the RL charter. Hell, the first couple of pages of the NATO sign up thread just involves nations based off of RL with RL leaders. That's not story or lore unless you create it yourself, mate.

Yes, I know you've rejoined the GA some days ago. If you don't like it and many of your members don't believe in WA then why do you claim to be his successor?
To be honest the NATO in NS is very different from RL NATO. In RL NATO its members can be only those members who are in the area of North Atlantic and are either in Europe or North America.
I haven't imposed this rule of law. I have nations who are in Asia, South America, Europe, North America, Oceania it's diverse. And what do you expect me to do? Open up a website for NATO haha where I can post its charter and else. Also, I was referring to other players' lore, not mine.

Actually, per the NATO website, that's not true.

NATO has an open door policy with regard to enlargement. Any country in a position to further the principles of the Washington Treaty and contribute to security in the Euro-Atlantic area can become a member of the Alliance at the invitation of the North Atlantic Council.
Countries aspiring for NATO membership are also expected to meet certain political, economic, and military goals in order to ensure that they will become contributors to Alliance security as well as beneficiaries of it.
NATO's Membership Action Plan (MAP) is designed to assist aspirant partner countries in their preparations by providing a framework that enables NATO to channel assistance and practical support to them on all aspects of NATO membership.

[Greatest States Of America]

No true agreement can be worked on until Meretica uses this kind of foul language. Instead of playing from their personal perspective and personal opinions they should RP as their nation not individually.

[Southeast Marajarbia]

No true agreement can be worked on until Meretica uses this kind of foul language. Instead of playing from their personal perspective and personal opinions they should RP as their nation not individually.

Oh? Did you not like being continuously called out, because it means that ICly you have to deny facts and point fingers instead of accepting major advice given by others?

[Meretica]

No true agreement can be worked on until Meretica uses this kind of foul language. Instead of playing from their personal perspective and personal opinions they should RP as their nation not individually.

It's neither personal perspective nor opinion. The deal you proposed was 100% NATO friendly and 0% UF friendly. When I offered a counter-proposal, you signed a NAP and left, blamed SM and me for not wanting a one-sided deal, and then had to be pressured by several NATO members to even accept the NAP.

Thread link:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=512310&hilit=UF+NATO

[Southeast Marajarbia]

No true agreement can be worked on until Meretica uses this kind of foul language. Instead of playing from their personal perspective and personal opinions they should RP as their nation not individually.

It's neither personal perspective nor opinion. The deal you proposed was 100% NATO friendly and 0% UF friendly. When I offered a counter-proposal, you signed a NAP and left, blamed SM and me for not wanting a one-sided deal, and then had to be pressured by several NATO members to even accept the NAP.

Thread link:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=512310&hilit=UF+NATO

I also requested that a jointly written proposal be made by both sides, but GSA closed the RP and left the meeting both OOCly and ICly.

[Greatest States Of America]

No true agreement can be worked on until Meretica uses this kind of foul language. Instead of playing from their personal perspective and personal opinions they should RP as their nation not individually.

It's neither personal perspective nor opinion. The deal you proposed was 100% NATO friendly and 0% UF friendly. When I offered a counter-proposal, you signed a NAP and left, blamed SM and me for not wanting a one-sided deal, and then had to be pressured by several NATO members to even accept the NAP.

Thread link:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=512310&hilit=UF+NATO

Oh, yes? There is no such element in that the 100 NATO friendly. It was a balanced deal that you flat out refused. And to be honest, I and everyone saw how you respected NAP. And the NAP was proposed by Sealand not me.

[Free Metropolitan France]

It's neither personal perspective nor opinion. The deal you proposed was 100% NATO friendly and 0% UF friendly. When I offered a counter-proposal, you signed a NAP and left, blamed SM and me for not wanting a one-sided deal, and then had to be pressured by several NATO members to even accept the NAP.

Thread link:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=512310&hilit=UF+NATO

I also requested that a jointly written proposal be made by both sides, but GSA closed the RP and left the meeting both OOCly and ICly.

Hey SM, everyone knows what happened and everyone saw it why GSA did it.

[Southeast Marajarbia]

I also requested that a jointly written proposal be made by both sides, but GSA closed the RP and left the meeting both OOCly and ICly.

Hey SM, everyone knows what happened and everyone saw it why GSA did it.

And? Just from GSA’s mediocre (at best) proposed agreement, it was easy to tell GSA would not give up his power easily in NATO, as well as the fact that NATO would be given a better deal.

[Free Metropolitan France]

Hey SM, everyone knows what happened and everyone saw it why GSA did it.

And? Just from GSA’s mediocre (at best) proposed agreement, it was easy to tell GSA would not give up his power easily in NATO, as well as the fact that NATO would be given a better deal.

You have the ability to criticise anything and everything. The claims you make are non-existent and groundless at best. You have done it over and over again in the past everyone knows what you do and why you do it.

[Greatest States Of America]

And? Just from GSA’s mediocre (at best) proposed agreement, it was easy to tell GSA would not give up his power easily in NATO, as well as the fact that NATO would be given a better deal.

You have the ability to criticise anything and everything. The claims you make are non-existent and groundless at best. You have done it over and over again in the past everyone knows what you do and why you do it.

He is a master at playing tricks. He just want a deal that says:
The world is yours now and do the hell you want with everyone.

[Meretica]

Also, now I'm going to fact check what GSA just posted, both IC and OOC ^-^

Note: Two edits were made for grammatical errors, both of which were misplaced commas

The statement made from Meretica is nothing more than a bunch of rhetoric and accusations. Meretica has nothing but words, words, and words. It's in Meretica's favor to turn a blind eye to everything which doesn't suit their interests and pursue their goal of world domination. In London summit ended in disaster due to the Meretica itself. In the London summit, the Marajabian representative put forward the demand that they will only accept a treaty if it's proposed by America. They rejected treaties from Britain and New Provenance. When the United States put forward the treaty it was rejected by Meretica because their interests wouldn't be fulfilled by it. Only South Olpen accepted it.

It is neither rhetoric nor accusations; it's what happened. SM, SO, and I attended the meeting with other UF members. Everyone was ready to compromise, and I explicitly said that "We are ready to work on a compromise but need everyone at the table." Then, GSA said that it was "frustrating" to leave the meeting without a deal without even attempting to compromise. Only SO accepted the deal as it was because SO wasn't focused on the same issues as Meretica and SM; Meretica and SM were focused on protecting the sovereignty of individual nations and creating a deal that wasn't heavily biased in favor of NATO, which was and is ruled by America with a relatively iron-esque fist due to being the sole holder of veto powers that do not exist in the real NATO, but only the United Nations.

Meretica cannot blame others if it is having problems. Admittedly, it is the interest of Meretica to hold onto their fragile clinging empire and continue the efforts for global hegemony. It's only a matter of time before Meretica starts its imperialistic goals and attitude which they have continued to follow. If anyone wants peace then they should deal with the biggest spoiler of it Meretica. An ordeal of the most grievous kind. Meretica is also trying to blame everything on United States Meretica doesn't want compromise they want total control only South Olpen wants peace and security among them.

Meretica doesn't want to control everything, and even if I did, this wouldn't be my approach. There's this little guy called Machiavelli that would be rolling over in his grave if this was my attempt at global control. I'd argue that Meretica isn't imperialistic but rather has a sense of morality that isn't governed by the philosophy that "I can control all things right and wrong while being hypocritical every other minute."

They also violated the terms of NAP and no proposal was put forward by them. Next time Meretican officials should check their facts before spitting venom. It's time that Meretica acts Mature instead of blaming others for destroying its toys.

The NAP wasn't violated. It's a Non-Aggression Pact-- I didn't militarily attack you. Meaning that if you want the NAP to be over, you have to end it. Which also means that I have the NAP signed with every NATO except you and members who joined after the NAP was signed.

[Free Metropolitan France]

Also, now I'm going to fact check what GSA just posted, both IC and OOC ^-^

Note: Two edits were made for grammatical errors, both of which were misplaced commas

The statement made from Meretica is nothing more than a bunch of rhetoric and accusations. Meretica has nothing but words, words, and words. It's in Meretica's favor to turn a blind eye to everything which doesn't suit their interests and pursue their goal of world domination. In London summit ended in disaster due to the Meretica itself. In the London summit, the Marajabian representative put forward the demand that they will only accept a treaty if it's proposed by America. They rejected treaties from Britain and New Provenance. When the United States put forward the treaty it was rejected by Meretica because their interests wouldn't be fulfilled by it. Only South Olpen accepted it.

It is neither rhetoric nor accusations; it's what happened. SM, SO, and I attended the meeting with other UF members. Everyone was ready to compromise, and I explicitly said that "We are ready to work on a compromise but need everyone at the table." Then, GSA said that it was "frustrating" to leave the meeting without a deal without even attempting to compromise. Only SO accepted the deal as it was because SO wasn't focused on the same issues as Meretica and SM; Meretica and SM were focused on protecting the sovereignty of individual nations and creating a deal that wasn't heavily biased in favor of NATO, which was and is ruled by America with a relatively iron-esque fist due to being the sole holder of veto powers that do not exist in the real NATO, but only the United Nations.

Meretica cannot blame others if it is having problems. Admittedly, it is the interest of Meretica to hold onto their fragile clinging empire and continue the efforts for global hegemony. It's only a matter of time before Meretica starts its imperialistic goals and attitude which they have continued to follow. If anyone wants peace then they should deal with the biggest spoiler of it Meretica. An ordeal of the most grievous kind. Meretica is also trying to blame everything on United States Meretica doesn't want compromise they want total control only South Olpen wants peace and security among them.

Meretica doesn't want to control everything, and even if I did, this wouldn't be my approach. There's this little guy called Machiavelli that would be rolling over in his grave if this was my attempt at global control. I'd argue that Meretica isn't imperialistic but rather has a sense of morality that isn't governed by the philosophy that "I can control all things right and wrong while being hypocritical every other minute."

They also violated the terms of NAP and no proposal was put forward by them. Next time Meretican officials should check their facts before spitting venom. It's time that Meretica acts Mature instead of blaming others for destroying its toys.

The NAP wasn't violated. It's a Non-Aggression Pact-- I didn't militarily attack you. Meaning that if you want the NAP to be over, you have to end it. Which also means that I have the NAP signed with every NATO except you and members who joined after the NAP was signed.

First of all, there were no national sovereignty issues there. The fact check is that yes GSA said that but they willingly signed the NAP after consulting with Britan and New Provenance. Second is no America doesn't rule and neither govern NATO. It's an intergovernmental alliance every resolution is voted on and has the consent of members. There were elections in which Maria Walker was elected as General Secretary of NATO and it was GSA who highly endorsed her and tallied the vote for her. If they had those wishes they would be by now have dictating terms.
And maybe you have had put your glasses wrong Me, GSA, Britain, Eclius all had veto powers so you are wrong here.
While your politics is heavily influenced by the likes of Augustus, Napoleon it also has characteristics of Machiavelli.
Don't forget how you said I won't be violating NAP at least not now I can quote it here if you want.
Also, NAP was signed by GSA along with New Provenance and others so they are first to be the signatories of that document.

[Greatest States Of America]

Also, now I'm going to fact check what GSA just posted, both IC and OOC ^-^

Note: Two edits were made for grammatical errors, both of which were misplaced commas

The statement made from Meretica is nothing more than a bunch of rhetoric and accusations. Meretica has nothing but words, words, and words. It's in Meretica's favor to turn a blind eye to everything which doesn't suit their interests and pursue their goal of world domination. In London summit ended in disaster due to the Meretica itself. In the London summit, the Marajabian representative put forward the demand that they will only accept a treaty if it's proposed by America. They rejected treaties from Britain and New Provenance. When the United States put forward the treaty it was rejected by Meretica because their interests wouldn't be fulfilled by it. Only South Olpen accepted it.

It is neither rhetoric nor accusations; it's what happened. SM, SO, and I attended the meeting with other UF members. Everyone was ready to compromise, and I explicitly said that "We are ready to work on a compromise but need everyone at the table." Then, GSA said that it was "frustrating" to leave the meeting without a deal without even attempting to compromise. Only SO accepted the deal as it was because SO wasn't focused on the same issues as Meretica and SM; Meretica and SM were focused on protecting the sovereignty of individual nations and creating a deal that wasn't heavily biased in favor of NATO, which was and is ruled by America with a relatively iron-esque fist due to being the sole holder of veto powers that do not exist in the real NATO, but only the United Nations.

Meretica cannot blame others if it is having problems. Admittedly, it is the interest of Meretica to hold onto their fragile clinging empire and continue the efforts for global hegemony. It's only a matter of time before Meretica starts its imperialistic goals and attitude which they have continued to follow. If anyone wants peace then they should deal with the biggest spoiler of it Meretica. An ordeal of the most grievous kind. Meretica is also trying to blame everything on United States Meretica doesn't want compromise they want total control only South Olpen wants peace and security among them.

Meretica doesn't want to control everything, and even if I did, this wouldn't be my approach. There's this little guy called Machiavelli that would be rolling over in his grave if this was my attempt at global control. I'd argue that Meretica isn't imperialistic but rather has a sense of morality that isn't governed by the philosophy that "I can control all things right and wrong while being hypocritical every other minute."

They also violated the terms of NAP and no proposal was put forward by them. Next time Meretican officials should check their facts before spitting venom. It's time that Meretica acts Mature instead of blaming others for destroying its toys.

The NAP wasn't violated. It's a Non-Aggression Pact-- I didn't militarily attack you. Meaning that if you want the NAP to be over, you have to end it. Which also means that I have the NAP signed with every NATO except you and members who joined after the NAP was signed.

First of all, there were no national sovereignty issues there. The fact check is that yes GSA said that but they willingly signed the NAP after consulting with Britan and New Provenance. Second is no America doesn't rule and neither govern NATO. It's an intergovernmental alliance every resolution is voted on and has the consent of members. There were elections in which Maria Walker was elected as General Secretary of NATO and it was GSA who highly endorsed her and tallied the vote for her. If they had those wishes they would be by now have dictating terms.
And maybe you have had put your glasses wrong Me, GSA, Britain, Eclius all had veto powers so you are wrong here.
While your politics is heavily influenced by the likes of Augustus, Napoleon it also has characteristics of Machiavelli.
Don't forget how you said I won't be violating NAP at least not now I can quote it here if you want.
Also, NAP was signed by GSA along with New Provenance and others so they are first to be the signatories of that document.

He also forgot his personal telegrams with SM and the messages on UF Regional Board.

[Meretica]

You have the ability to criticize anything and everything. The claims you make are non-existent and groundless at best. You have done it over and over again in the past everyone knows what you do and why you do it.

He is a master at playing tricks. He just wants a deal that says:
The world is yours now and does the hell you want with everyone.

That's not what SM wants, and that's not what I want, either. If I had to guess, what you want is for everyone but NATO to leave the Galapagos, and you'll just refuse talks until NATO has total control of the region for what I can only assume is to make yourself look big and powerful-- basically to say something along the lines of "Look at what we did! We chased away the scary democratic socialists! You can do your own thing now!" And that'll just bring back fascism in the Galapagos, as I've noted for what is the umpteenth time now...

What I want is a deal that doesn't violate anyone's national sovereignty, doesn't allow GSA to remain NATO's sole dictator, and creates a long-lasting peace that can only be broken if a nation chooses to attack. There can be no pulling out of whatever agreement is signed.

[Meretica]

Also, now I'm going to fact check what GSA just posted, both IC and OOC ^-^

Note: Two edits were made for grammatical errors, both of which were misplaced commas

The statement made from Meretica is nothing more than a bunch of rhetoric and accusations. Meretica has nothing but words, words, and words. It's in Meretica's favor to turn a blind eye to everything which doesn't suit their interests and pursue their goal of world domination. In London summit ended in disaster due to the Meretica itself. In the London summit, the Marajabian representative put forward the demand that they will only accept a treaty if it's proposed by America. They rejected treaties from Britain and New Provenance. When the United States put forward the treaty it was rejected by Meretica because their interests wouldn't be fulfilled by it. Only South Olpen accepted it.

It is neither rhetoric nor accusations; it's what happened. SM, SO, and I attended the meeting with other UF members. Everyone was ready to compromise, and I explicitly said that "We are ready to work on a compromise but need everyone at the table." Then, GSA said that it was "frustrating" to leave the meeting without a deal without even attempting to compromise. Only SO accepted the deal as it was because SO wasn't focused on the same issues as Meretica and SM; Meretica and SM were focused on protecting the sovereignty of individual nations and creating a deal that wasn't heavily biased in favor of NATO, which was and is ruled by America with a relatively iron-esque fist due to being the sole holder of veto powers that do not exist in the real NATO, but only the United Nations.

Meretica cannot blame others if it is having problems. Admittedly, it is the interest of Meretica to hold onto their fragile clinging empire and continue the efforts for global hegemony. It's only a matter of time before Meretica starts its imperialistic goals and attitude which they have continued to follow. If anyone wants peace then they should deal with the biggest spoiler of it Meretica. An ordeal of the most grievous kind. Meretica is also trying to blame everything on United States Meretica doesn't want compromise they want total control only South Olpen wants peace and security among them.

Meretica doesn't want to control everything, and even if I did, this wouldn't be my approach. There's this little guy called Machiavelli that would be rolling over in his grave if this was my attempt at global control. I'd argue that Meretica isn't imperialistic but rather has a sense of morality that isn't governed by the philosophy that "I can control all things right and wrong while being hypocritical every other minute."

They also violated the terms of NAP and no proposal was put forward by them. Next time Meretican officials should check their facts before spitting venom. It's time that Meretica acts Mature instead of blaming others for destroying its toys.

The NAP wasn't violated. It's a Non-Aggression Pact-- I didn't militarily attack you. Meaning that if you want the NAP to be over, you have to end it. This also means that I have the NAP signed with every NATO except you and members who joined after the NAP was signed.

First of all, there were no national sovereignty issues there. The fact check is that yes GSA said that but they willingly signed the NAP after consulting with Britan and New Provenance. Second is no America doesn't rule and neither govern NATO. It's an intergovernmental alliance every resolution is voted on and has the consent of members. There were elections in which Maria Walker was elected as General Secretary of NATO and it was GSA who highly endorsed her and tallied the vote for her. If they had those wishes they would be by now have dictating terms.
And maybe you have had put your glasses wrong Me, GSA, Britain, Eclius all had veto powers so you are wrong here.
While your politics is heavily influenced by the likes of Augustus, Napoleon it also has characteristics of Machiavelli.
Don't forget how you said I won't be violating NAP at least not now I can quote it here if you want.
Also, NAP was signed by GSA along with New Provenance and others so they are first to be the signatories of that document.

There were National Sovereignty issues-- GSA has been intervening in nations where GSA doesn't like what's happening. Though changes in NATO have been happening very slowly, it is still very obvious that GSA is the power player here. Peace has been prevented by GSA.

[The Territories of Sealand]

Should I just get the second attempt at negotiations started?

[Meretica]

Should I just get the second attempt at negotiations started?

I'm going to attend but will not acknowledge the presence of GSA as America has been the leading cause of the prevention of a treaty being signed.

[Southeast Marajarbia]

Should I just get the second attempt at negotiations started?

I believe I would approve of the attempt to get negotiations started on two conditions. The first is Meretica’s approval, and the second is if both sides write a treaty.

[Greatest States Of America]

He is a master at playing tricks. He just wants a deal that says:
The world is yours now and does the hell you want with everyone.

That's not what SM wants, and that's not what I want, either. If I had to guess, what you want is for everyone but NATO to leave the Galapagos, and you'll just refuse talks until NATO has total control of the region for what I can only assume is to make yourself look big and powerful-- basically to say something along the lines of "Look at what we did! We chased away the scary democratic socialists! You can do your own thing now!" And that'll just bring back fascism in the Galapagos, as I've noted for what is the umpteenth time now...

What I want is a deal that doesn't violate anyone's national sovereignty, doesn't allow GSA to remain NATO's sole dictator, and creates a long-lasting peace that can only be broken if a nation chooses to attack. There can be no pulling out of whatever agreement is signed.

There is a saying that goes like this:
‘‘We reflect ourselves on others.’’
You just reflect your policies on me and others. No, I'm not like you who turned Vikanias into modern-day Nazi Germany. You want to show the world that you are the sole power and will dictate the terms and rules of this world. Don't get excited. Your alliance hasn't done anything for the betterment of the world except to engage in diplomatic fallout with me and others.
Your calls for national sovereignty are the same tactics you used against SM and UCA back in the day and don't expect peace when you constantly engage in a war of words with other nations.

[Greatest States Of America]

Should I just get the second attempt at negotiations started?

I'm going to attend but will not acknowledge the presence of GSA as America has been the leading cause of the prevention of a treaty being signed.

I'm not gonna attend the meeting in which I don't exist.

[Free Metropolitan France]

Should I just get the second attempt at negotiations started?

I'm going to attend but will not acknowledge the presence of GSA as America has been the leading cause of the prevention of a treaty being signed.

Haha, what's the meaning of this? You can't use GSA as a scapegoat for everything, buddy.

[Meretica]

I'm going to attend but will not acknowledge the presence of GSA as America has been the leading cause of the prevention of a treaty being signed.

Haha, what's the meaning of this? You can't use GSA as a scapegoat for everything, buddy.

SM and I offered to compromise, and GSA walked out empty-handed because the UF didn't want a deal that supported only NATO. What GSA offered wasn't a compromise, it was an attempt to increase GSA's power. You can't pretend like it's our fault when we explicitly said we wanted to compromise. We didn't throw a tantrum and walk out. GSA did.

[Greatest States Of America]

If Meretica doesn't want to work with us then don't. We too don't want to work with someone like them.