Crimean Crisis [OOC | MT | OPEN]

[Lytrovia]

Name of country: Horde of Sky Reavers
Nation's official policy on the situation: Support Crimean independence.

(If intervening) ORBAT of intervening force (tell me what is in your force): 12 Combined arms warbands. (Roughly 7000 warriors with battlecars, tanks and such) And 5 Jet fighters of different designs. Some folks to maintain them too.
(If giving aid) State your aid you are giving: Recognition, ammo and various supplies for rebels.
(If neither) State why you are here (observer, security, etc): N/A

Do you have any secret objectives not publicly known: Attempt to establish a puppet government, satellite or get this separatist republic to become a part of Sky Reavers realm. Alliance, friendship or resources would be fine too, if that fails.
Do you understand the rules of this RP: Yep.

(Obviously, since this is MT, Reavers won't be using energy weapons, superduper stimpacks and such. Unless OP allows... Which is unlikely. This is a disclaimer, intended just to clear possible misunderstandings) If OP wants more data, I'll provide it.

Accepted, sorry I didn't see it there. Anyway, the rebels thank you for your support. Here is our IC thread.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Laka's air superiority is also noted by the East Osovian military and, while air coverage has not yet been extended to Sevastopol, countermeasures are being weighed and considered.

Apologies but what sort of air superiority? I’ve simply deployed 4 jets that bombed some facilities… Like I have a total of 4 jets participating in the war how in the Goddamn do they achieve air superiority?

[East Osovia]

Laka's air superiority is also noted by the East Osovian military and, while air coverage has not yet been extended to Sevastopol, countermeasures are being weighed and considered.

Apologies but what sort of air superiority? I’ve simply deployed 4 jets that bombed some facilities… Like I have a total of 4 jets participating in the war how in the Goddamn do they achieve air superiority?

It was more of a remembrance on the effectiveness of Lakan pilots in Tzatzikistan. Not saying you are currently dominating the skies. I have, perhaps, chosen my words incorrectly.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Apologies but what sort of air superiority? I’ve simply deployed 4 jets that bombed some facilities… Like I have a total of 4 jets participating in the war how in the Goddamn do they achieve air superiority?

It was more of a remembrance on the effectiveness of Lakan pilots in Tzatzikistan. Not saying you are currently dominating the skies. I have, perhaps, chosen my words incorrectly.

Oh, no problem than.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

Name of country: Islamic Holy Sites
Nation's official policy on the situation: Will sell equipment and give supplies to Lytrovia, sorry for posting on IC first, I forgot about this thread

(If intervening) ORBAT of intervening force (tell me what is in your force):
(If giving aid) State your aid you are giving: several shiploads of supplies
(If neither) State why you are here (observer, security, etc):

Do you have any secret objectives not publicly known: No, except speeding up democracy
Do you understand the rules of this RP: Yup

[Lytrovia]

Name of country: Islamic Holy Sites
Nation's official policy on the situation: Will sell equipment and give supplies to Lytrovia, sorry for posting on IC first, I forgot about this thread

(If intervening) ORBAT of intervening force (tell me what is in your force):
(If giving aid) State your aid you are giving: several shiploads of supplies
(If neither) State why you are here (observer, security, etc):

Do you have any secret objectives not publicly known: No, except speeding up democracy
Do you understand the rules of this RP: Yup

We gratefully accept the supplies.

[East Osovia]

Hey Laka, question: Who is manually activating/deactivating the mines you mentioned earlier? It's not like there's some sort of automatic "tell" that can differentiate between a neutral ship and an enemy. Even then the Black Sea (especially the Bosporus) is a pretty heavily travelled area, so I don't see how manual activation/deactivation could be plausible.

I'm not trying to "defeat you OOC", I just don't understand, as there isn't a modern solution to this issue that I am aware of. Modern IFF systems can only identify a friendly and cannot differentiate between neutral and enemy.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Hey Laka, question: Who is manually activating/deactivating the mines you mentioned earlier? It's not like there's some sort of automatic "tell" that can differentiate between a neutral ship and an enemy. Even then the Black Sea (especially the Bosporus) is a pretty heavily travelled area, so I don't see how manual activation/deactivation could be plausible.

I'm not trying to "defeat you OOC", I just don't understand, as there isn't a modern solution to this issue that I am aware of. Modern IFF systems can only identify a friendly and cannot differentiate between neutral and enemy.

Well they utilize a complicated target designation system that mainly identifies vessels by their sonar profile as well as, when it’s available, by the data that the mine receivers from naval tracking systems such as Marine Track. Obviously, neutral vessels won’t turn off their transmitters and as such can be easily identified, especially taking into consideration that the mine can also use active sonar. Moreover than that, There ARE IRL IFF systems that can designate between friendly, enemy and neutral, albeit I have no info about them being used in naval systems for obvious reasons (because secrecy and even if I had info (A guy in my unit worked at CKP RUBIN- they possibly have access to such info but he won’t disclose state sekrits nor won’t I)). Google “Non-Cooperative Target Recognition” for more.

[East Osovia]

Hey Laka, question: Who is manually activating/deactivating the mines you mentioned earlier? It's not like there's some sort of automatic "tell" that can differentiate between a neutral ship and an enemy. Even then the Black Sea (especially the Bosporus) is a pretty heavily travelled area, so I don't see how manual activation/deactivation could be plausible.

I'm not trying to "defeat you OOC", I just don't understand, as there isn't a modern solution to this issue that I am aware of. Modern IFF systems can only identify a friendly and cannot differentiate between neutral and enemy.

Well they utilize a complicated target designation system that mainly identifies vessels by their sonar profile as well as, when it’s available, by the data that the mine receivers from naval tracking systems such as Marine Track. Obviously, neutral vessels won’t turn off their transmitters and as such can be easily identified, especially taking into consideration that the mine can also use active sonar. Moreover than that, There ARE IRL IFF systems that can designate between friendly, enemy and neutral, albeit I have no info about them being used in naval systems for obvious reasons (because secrecy and even if I had info (A guy in my unit worked at CKP RUBIN- they possibly have access to such info but he won’t disclose state sekrits nor won’t I)). Google “Non-Cooperative Target Recognition” for more.

Okay, it seems I was misinformed. Still seems pretty easy to counter, though, and would either have a decent margin for false positives or false negatives (depending on how you program it). Also, wouldn't the use of active sonar make it difficult to hide the mines? If a fishing trawler passes and a sonar ping goes off the mine would be pretty easily found.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Okay, it seems I was misinformed. Still seems pretty easy to counter, though, and would either have a decent margin for false positives or false negatives (depending on how you program it). Also, wouldn't the use of active sonar make it difficult to hide the mines? If a fishing trawler passes and a sonar ping goes off the mine would be pretty easily found.

It’s programmed to ping only when there’s no other chance to identify the vessel that can be enemy and was designated as a high-value target. Active sonar is meant to identify false positives or false negatives in case of extreme necessity or just pre-launch. After all a fishing trauker can easily be identified by its sonar profile because it’s extremely different than those of, say, a warship or a large cargo ship.

[East Osovia]

Okay, it seems I was misinformed. Still seems pretty easy to counter, though, and would either have a decent margin for false positives or false negatives (depending on how you program it). Also, wouldn't the use of active sonar make it difficult to hide the mines? If a fishing trawler passes and a sonar ping goes off the mine would be pretty easily found.

It’s programmed to ping only when there’s no other chance to identify the vessel that can be enemy and was designated as a high-value target. Active sonar is meant to identify false positives or false negatives in case of extreme necessity or just pre-launch. After all a fishing trauker can easily be identified by its sonar profile because it’s extremely different than those of, say, a warship or a large cargo ship.

Perhaps a poor choice of vessel, but I understand.

[Sky Reavers]

Gotta admit, partners, I ain't an expert in the rather complicated field of naval combat, so if ya' have criticism... I'll only learn more from it.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Gotta admit, partners, I ain't an expert in the rather complicated field of naval combat, so if ya' have criticism... I'll only learn more from it.

Not a problem I won’t powergame into destroying all of your fleet because powergaming is stupid and not cool.
However I have a few small questions: do your ships use the general depth charges (like here) or RBU rockets (like here the rockets the destroyer fires at the sub)?

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Okay if any of you would like to learn more about modern (ignore that the book was written in the 80’s, most of what is said inside is still viable) naval submarine combat I might advice that you take a look at this manual for an old sub sim. It will essentially be a nice touch in the basics and will give you more than enough information for us to have a really interesting naval combat RP. I also have things like these about surface combat so if anyone is interested gimme a word

[Sky Reavers]

Gotta admit, partners, I ain't an expert in the rather complicated field of naval combat, so if ya' have criticism... I'll only learn more from it.

Not a problem I won’t powergame into destroying all of your fleet because powergaming is stupid and not cool.
However I have a few small questions: do your ships use the general depth charges (like here) or RBU rockets (like here the rockets the destroyer fires at the sub)?

Both are used. I also won't powergame, cause that just ruins the fun and suspense, where ingenuity and creativity beats seemingly inevitable death situations.

Edit: And did ya' listen to Sabaton-Wolfpack, while writing about submarine combat? Cause it's pretty awesome.

[Tyrantio Land]

Name of country: The Kingdom of Tyrantio Land
Nation's official policy on the situation: Tyrantio Land will be supporting the true government

(If intervening) ORBAT of intervening force (tell me what is in your force):
(If giving aid) State your aid you are giving: 10 T-21 Tanks, 1 battleship, and 500 5.56 Nato Rifles
(If neither) State why you are here (observer, security, etc):

Do you have any secret objectives not publicly known: To gain better relations with Lytrovia
Do you understand the rules of this RP: Yes

[Lytrovia]

Name of country: The Kingdom of Tyrantio Land
Nation's official policy on the situation: Tyrantio Land will be supporting the true government

(If intervening) ORBAT of intervening force (tell me what is in your force):
(If giving aid) State your aid you are giving: 10 T-21 Tanks, 1 battleship, and 500 5.56 Nato Rifles
(If neither) State why you are here (observer, security, etc):

Do you have any secret objectives not publicly known: To gain better relations with Lytrovia
Do you understand the rules of this RP: Yes

The aid is accepted enthusiastically.

[Lytrovia]

The IC thread, if you haven't gotten it before.

[East Osovia]

Yo, Latrovia, are your men advancing through a land border in the north, or are they crossing the Kerch Strait?

EDIT: Also, since this has turned into an invasion of East Osovia, I'm going to need to increase my stated force involved if that is okay.

[Arvenia]

Looks very interesting. I will see if I can join it anytime soon.

[Lytrovia]

Yo, Latrovia, are your men advancing through a land border in the north, or are they crossing the Kerch Strait?

EDIT: Also, since this has turned into an invasion of East Osovia, I'm going to need to increase my stated force involved if that is okay.

Border in the north. The Kerch Strait is controlled by rebels.

[East Osovia]

Yo, Latrovia, are your men advancing through a land border in the north, or are they crossing the Kerch Strait?

EDIT: Also, since this has turned into an invasion of East Osovia, I'm going to need to increase my stated force involved if that is okay.

Border in the north. The Kerch Strait is controlled by rebels.

Right, just wanted to know. Thanks!

[Sky Reavers]

Alright folks! Reaver warbands are comin' to the Crimea to party!

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Alright folks! Reaver warbands are comin' to the Crimea to party!

Do you by any chance have a famous fighter pilot? Manfred Von Kaltenbrunnergentsshfelde would really like to meet him… He loved a good air duel!

[Sky Reavers]

Alright folks! Reaver warbands are comin' to the Crimea to party!

Do you by any chance have a famous fighter pilot? Manfred Von Kaltenbrunnergentsshfelde would really like to meet him… He loved a good air duel!

Since Sky Reavers bring some aircraft with them, there gonna be a famous pilot for ya'! I supposed it was safe to assume, that warbands made it through. Not without damages though.