Dust Amidst the Plain [OOC/Signups, MT RP, OPEN SLOTS]

[Parcia]

Aieght. I don't think you realize the effects of your 400 or so missile Salvo.

Its been less then a day icly, beyond the arty fob at Mount Selinda, which you did hit and damage, I don't have any fortified bases or air strips in Mozambique. Which means either your hiting Rhodesia proper, which is going to see an escalation of hostilities on my end, or your hitting Mozambiquan positions mistakingly thinking I have secured them.

If your hitting places in Beria? Then you hit the Police HQ and city hall. Which, along side Rhodesian Special Air service operatives, also contain a decent grouping of civilians.

I also question the legality of your organizations authority to understand such actions because, well, who gives you the right to intervene?
Also your numbers and intel are likely off, as I only have the one armored column in country and no set arty positions around Beria, which again brings up the question of just who you just landed warheads on.

Imma have fun with this ICLY when I get off in an hours time.

[Redpeake]

Granted I thought you had armour and air support in Mozambique proper by now - mistaken.

UNI is refraining from targeting Rhodesia/OFS proper except where staging grounds for actions in Mozambique; so would be hitting airbases where fighters taking off from for instance. For arguments' sake let's assume that's where a proportion of the Vipers were directed (and that they're comparable to Tomahawks in speed and damage)

On the legality issue no one referring to UN or any similar instruments so assuming we're in something much more anarchic, but UNI would claim to stick to basics of Geneva convention etc and be intervening in response to unjustified attack on a sovereign state

[Parcia]

Granted I thought you had armour and air support in Mozambique proper by now - mistaken.

UNI is refraining from targeting Rhodesia/OFS proper except where staging grounds for actions in Mozambique; so would be hitting airbases where fighters taking off from for instance. For arguments' sake let's assume that's where a proportion of the Vipers were directed (and that they're comparable to Tomahawks in speed and damage)

On the legality issue no one referring to UN or any similar instruments so assuming we're in something much more anarchic, but UNI would claim to stick to basics of Geneva convention etc and be intervening in response to unjustified attack on a sovereign state

So your hitting airbases and the like in Rhodesia proper.
Roight, time to break out the gas.

[Parcia]

I should clarify, I do have them in Mozambique, but they are deployed, not garrisoned in bases. My planes have been in active rotation either in the air or in Rhodesia proper and my tanks have been pretty much on the move, sans fighting in Inchobe.

Also, being that most airbases are attached to civi airfields,l in Rhodesia, you've also hit civilian aircraft on the ground, likely those of foreign origin.

[Parcia]

Also...how...how do you have "Militiary space stations"

What are those and what are their capabilities, I ask because I hardly think the rest of the world would let you have potential WMD launch platforms in orbit.

Like, I am sorta spooked over this and the fact your doing it with 80s and 90s tech.

[Socialist Internationale of Osteuropa]

Also...how...how do you have "Militiary space stations"

What are those and what are their capabilities, I ask because I hardly think the rest of the world would let you have potential WMD launch platforms in orbit.

Like, I am sorta spooked over this and the fact your doing it with 80s and 90s tech.

...Where does it say military space stations?

[Parcia]

Application

Name of State?: The Northern Islands
History and culture: North Atlantic federations of seafarers, pirates, and fishing communities formed throughout the 18th and 19th Centuries following the American War of Independence, and began integrating free ports and former colonies in the 20th Century. The Northern Islands worked closely with the USSR throughout WW2 on supporting convoys in the Arctic, which aided to the postwar election of a Communist-led coalition. However the fiercely independent and culturally diverse traditions of Northern Islanders led to splits with Moscow and participation in the non-aligned movement. Allied to Yugoslavia, Albania and left-leaning states in the Global South. Retains strong civil rights and multiparty elections at the state level but the Northern Island Socialist Alliance political organisation are by now essentially indistinguishable from the federal state.

Population: 37 million
Languages: English, Danish, Norwegian, Spanish, French, Krio
Government: Federal government overseeing defence, foreign policy and major projects, 23 highly autonomous states
Military
Civil Defence, Signals, and Contingencies Command: 120,000 volunteers specialising in sigint, logistics, disaster relief, policing and military policing
Joint Reserve Command: Can mobilise up to a million who have had national service basic training.
Land Forces General Command: 200,000 volunteer and national service troops organised into six warfighting divisions
Fleet Command: 90,000 volunteers organised into two Carrier Strike Groups (carriers and support vessels), eight Home Defence Groups (cruiser-led squadrons), eight Rapid Naval Assault Groups (cruiser or destroyer led squadrons) and sixteen Light Assault Groups (frigates and patrol boats)
Aerospace Command: 36,000 volunteers staffing two military space stations, 500 fixed-wing aircraft incl fighters, bombers, fighter-bombers and ground attack/ air support craft.
Special Operations Command: 11,000 volunteers, mostly elite infantry/paratroopers but some counterinsurgency/information warfare/espionage units

Borders: State covers the Greeland coastline, Azores and Canaries, Orkneys, Gotland, Saarema, Svalbard, and mainland port cities in the Baltic states, Finland, Poland, Iceland, Cote d’Ivoire and Sierra Leone.
Flag: Blue and Green with six white stars
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[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Also...how...how do you have "Militiary space stations"

What are those and what are their capabilities, I ask because I hardly think the rest of the world would let you have potential WMD launch platforms in orbit.

Like, I am sorta spooked over this and the fact your doing it with 80s and 90s tech.

I have to agree with the unfeasibility of having two military space stations. I don't think using them to launch WMDs would even be possible at this time, so that probably was never on the table. Accounting for inflation, the ISS would cost about 90 billion in 1990 dollars. So two similar stations, would cost a total of 180 billion; a very large amount of money. Which is unfeasible since unless the Northern Islands had this technology much earlier than IRL, and this would be already at least 8 years before IRL.

Totaling your territory and more, the GDP of IRL Norway, Iceland, Finland, Nambia, Botswana, and South Africa was about 389.7 billion dollars.

So the 180 billion plus probably around 100 billion in other defense spending would amount to like 72% of your GDP. So very likely besides the technical unfeasibility, there is a money problem too. Think about why doesn't the US have a space station? And even the ISS only can carry 13 people max so in military terms, said station does the job that a satellite could do for much cheaper.

[Redpeake]

I hadn't actually meant space stations proper; just big satellites armed with countermeasures to deal with ICBMs - experimental as well so you wouldn't expect great effectiveness if used.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

I hadn't actually meant space stations proper; just big satellites armed with countermeasures to deal with ICBMs - experimental as well so you wouldn't expect great effectiveness if used.

Wouldn't that be a significant escalation since those satellites would have to be constantly above whichever nation you believed was going to launch ICBMs?

[Redpeake]

I hadn't actually meant space stations proper; just big satellites armed with countermeasures to deal with ICBMs - experimental as well so you wouldn't expect great effectiveness if used.

Wouldn't that be a significant escalation since those satellites would have to be constantly above whichever nation you believed was going to launch ICBMs?

Yes. Built for a period in which the nonaligned bloc expected periods of staged escalation and potential confrontation with the West and to a lesser extent the Soviet Union; now looking less useful in current geopol situation for same reason Brilliant Pebbles etc got pulled by the RL US in the 90s.

[Parcia]

"Countermeasures for ICBMs"
So, what, interception missiles? Rods from God?

My guy even having the technology for these is a significant escalation in the arms race and to be frank, I don't think even the The US/technate or USSR would put them up if they could.

You want spy sats, fine, cool. Hunter killer sats for killing other sats, bet, fine. But says capable of interdiction ICBMs or even possibly launching munitions at earth? Nah.

[New Jacobland]

"Countermeasures for ICBMs"
So, what, interception missiles? Rods from God?

My guy even having the technology for these is a significant escalation in the arms race and to be frank, I don't think even the The US/technate or USSR would put them up if they could.

You want spy sats, fine, cool. Hunter killer sats for killing other sats, bet, fine. But says capable of interdiction ICBMs or even possibly launching munitions at earth? Nah.

Agree.

No chance would a small nation (in population) have these technologies without foreign help. Even with foreign help, this would be a massive portion of your military budget.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

"Countermeasures for ICBMs"
So, what, interception missiles? Rods from God?

My guy even having the technology for these is a significant escalation in the arms race and to be frank, I don't think even the The US/technate or USSR would put them up if they could.

You want spy sats, fine, cool. Hunter killer sats for killing other sats, bet, fine. But says capable of interdiction ICBMs or even possibly launching munitions at earth? Nah.

Such technology would exist, it is just very expensive. The US planned them under the project called Star Wars aka Brilliant Pebbles. $55 billion apiece though, so he is spending a massive part of his GDP on an ineffective system.

[Parcia]

Star wars never got passed "pew pew laser shoots warheads" and ended up being purposefully used by Reagan to bankrupt the USSR through their own panic defense spe ding.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Star wars never got passed "pew pew laser shoots warheads" and ended up being purposefully used by Reagan to bankrupt the USSR through their own panic defense spe ding.

Actually it wasn't lasers, but a bunch of missiles stored in space meant to intercept ICBMs. The main reason it never was used was because by the time the technology was ready, the Soviet Union had collapsed and the fact that the bigger threat now came in the form of ballistic missiles which were harder to intercept. It didn't help that the Gulf War had broken out, and people watched on the nightly news as Scud missiles were intercepted by Patriots, and it was decided that the Patriots would be more effective at less of a cost.

I don't really care if the Northern Islands has this system... it just means they are spending a ton of money on a system that doesn't really work unless employed on a larger scale. If they want to spend a third of their GDP on a single system, so be it. Their military is probably something similar to North Korea's, or even worse, their economy poor, and their country like some third world hell hole.

[Parcia]

I mean...your not wrong.

Alright.

Who do I need to buy shit from to get national recognition, I'm tried of being an unrecognized state.

Also, OFS, I'm looking to buy a port or part of one as a naval base.

[Parcia]

Also I'm sorta hoping we have a UN here, how ever ineffective as they may be in this time line.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

I mean...your not wrong.

Alright.

Who do I need to buy shit from to get national recognition, I'm tried of being an unrecognized state.

Also, OFS, I'm looking to buy a port or part of one as a naval base.

Since Japan sees an rival in the Northern Islands, if Rhodesia agreed to fight them in a limited proxy war, then Japan would give them recognition and aid.

[Parcia]

I mean...your not wrong.

Alright.

Who do I need to buy shit from to get national recognition, I'm tried of being an unrecognized state.

Also, OFS, I'm looking to buy a port or part of one as a naval base.

Since Japan sees an rival in the Northern Islands, if Rhodesia agreed to fight them in a limited proxy war, then Japan would give them recognition and aid.

What are you offering.

[Socialist Internationale of Osteuropa]

Since Japan sees an rival in the Northern Islands, if Rhodesia agreed to fight them in a limited proxy war, then Japan would give them recognition and aid.

What are you offering.

GEHIRN also sees them as a nuisance in the international world, seeing that they’re sticking their noses in everyone’s business, so will be offering the similar treatment.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Since Japan sees an rival in the Northern Islands, if Rhodesia agreed to fight them in a limited proxy war, then Japan would give them recognition and aid.

What are you offering.

Japan can provide diplomatic recognition, missiles, armor, some aircraft, and other armaments as well as advisors if Rhodesia is to engage in conflict with the Northern Islands.

[Parcia]

Like I said, I'm looking to secure a naval port, one large enough to fit a strip for C130s.

Preferably in Africa. I don't plan on being a naval power, but a large portion of my national defense is based on privately procured equipment, its sort of This rendition of Rhodesia's ace card.

Having a port i can base my Transports and any escorts they will get is important.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Like I said, I'm looking to secure a naval port, one large enough to fit a strip for C130s.

Preferably in Africa. I don't plan on being a naval power, but a large portion of my national defense is based on privately procured equipment, its sort of This rendition of Rhodesia's ace card.

Having a port i can base my Transports and any escorts they will get is important.

Japan can't really offer that as it doesn't have a presence in Africa. However if you want support against the Northern Islanders, Japan will provide it.

[Parcia]

Like I said, I'm looking to secure a naval port, one large enough to fit a strip for C130s.

Preferably in Africa. I don't plan on being a naval power, but a large portion of my national defense is based on privately procured equipment, its sort of This rendition of Rhodesia's ace card.

Having a port i can base my Transports and any escorts they will get is important.

Japan can't really offer that as it doesn't have a presence in Africa. However if you want support against the Northern Islanders, Japan will provide it.

What can you offer in the form of infantry gear. I’m looking for infantry portable AT and AA weaponry that’s a step up from my standard M72 law and Red Eye missile based loadout.