IDSF-ICDN Diplomatic Talks (Now Closed)

[Deblar]

The Deblarian delegate, Melanie Jameson, enters the chamber. She then speaks.

"Could someone catch me up on what is currently being discussed?"

[Mystery Realms]

"So is that what you meant by the ICDN intervening in other's Foreign Affairs, that the ICDN sending messages of what it does and does not endorse, is that intervening in Foreign Affairs? And you are saying the ICDN should stop doing as such, rendering it almost powerless. The least we can do is send message that does not absolutely nothing other than tell the world what the ICDN does or does not support. And with this agreement, are you saying with this agreement that the ICDN can say nothing that looks unfavorably upon the IDSF. So you are basically asking us to turn a blind eye to whatever the ICDN may disagree with the IDSF?"

We’re telling you to mind your own business.

Totally correct, this has nothing to do with Yukon or the current conflict and it shouldn’t be brought into talk and considerations.

[Arab Republic of Botswana]

We propose a full military withdrawal from Canada except for British Columbia (despite being independent it is considered by most a colony of the IDSF) to appease the ICDN

[Southeast Marajarbia]

We propose a full military withdrawal from Canada except for British Columbia (despite being independent it is considered by most a colony of the IDSF) to appease the ICDN

No, as it might still be a threat to both the ICDN and IDSF.

[Arab Republic of Botswana]

We propose a full military withdrawal from Canada except for British Columbia (despite being independent it is considered by most a colony of the IDSF) to appease the ICDN

No, as it might still be a threat to both the ICDN and IDSF.

The Problem is , Canada agreed to smash its WMDs and replaced their military with a defense force

[Tyrantio Land]

We propose a full military withdrawal from Canada except for British Columbia (despite being independent it is considered by most a colony of the IDSF) to appease the ICDN

"No, Tyrantio Land will not abandon its citizens in Ontario."

[Arab Republic of Botswana]

We propose a full military withdrawal from Canada except for British Columbia (despite being independent it is considered by most a colony of the IDSF) to appease the ICDN

"No, Tyrantio Land will not abandon its citizens in Ontario."

Also we were meant to liberate not colonize though a case could be meant for British Columbia since Arabs are the majority of British Columbia

[Dalmannia]

"So is that what you meant by the ICDN intervening in other's Foreign Affairs, that the ICDN sending messages of what it does and does not endorse, is that intervening in Foreign Affairs? And you are saying the ICDN should stop doing as such, rendering it almost powerless. The least we can do is send message that does not absolutely nothing other than tell the world what the ICDN does or does not support. And with this agreement, are you saying with this agreement that the ICDN can say nothing that looks unfavorably upon the IDSF. So you are basically asking us to turn a blind eye to whatever the ICDN may disagree with the IDSF?"

We’re telling you to mind your own business.

“We as an organization are dedicated to ensuring the preservation of democracy and human rights. We’re aren’t accusing the IDSF of having done so yet, but if they do, we will get involved. Don’t give us any reason to. Keep civilians out of your conflicts to the best of your ability, and don’t install dictatorships and military juntas—these aren’t hard rules to follow. Also, I will have you know that a condemnation is not foreign intervention. It physically does nothing. Puts no boots on the ground. Raises no sanctions. It doesn’t even expel anyone from their seat. It only states that the majority of the body disagrees with what the recipient of the condemnation did. Let’s not be overly-sensitive and act as if a condemnation is the equivalent of a military deployment.”

[Arab Republic of Botswana]

We’re telling you to mind your own business.

“We as an organization are dedicated to ensuring the preservation of democracy and human rights. We’re aren’t accusing the IDSF of having done so yet, but if they do, we will get involved. Don’t give us any reason to. Keep civilians out of your conflicts to the best of your ability, and don’t install dictatorships and military juntas—these aren’t hard rules to follow. Also, I will have you know that a condemnation is not foreign intervention. It physically does nothing. Puts no boots on the ground. Raises no sanctions. It doesn’t even expel anyone from their seat. It only states that the majority of the body disagrees with what the recipient of the condemnation did. Let’s not be overly-sensitive and act as if a condemnation is the equivalent of a military deployment.”

Don’t forget , they colonized British Alberta when we were supposed to liberate it

[Southeast Marajarbia]

We’re telling you to mind your own business.

“We as an organization are dedicated to ensuring the preservation of democracy and human rights. We’re aren’t accusing the IDSF of having done so yet, but if they do, we will get involved. Don’t give us any reason to. Keep civilians out of your conflicts to the best of your ability, and don’t install dictatorships and military juntas—these aren’t hard rules to follow. Also, I will have you know that a condemnation is not foreign intervention. It physically does nothing. Puts no boots on the ground. Raises no sanctions. It doesn’t even expel anyone from their seat. It only states that the majority of the body disagrees with what the recipient of the condemnation did. Let’s not be overly-sensitive and act as if a condemnation is the equivalent of a military deployment.”

“So you refuse the deal, and prefer war as your only alternative?”

[Mystery Realms]

“We as an organization are dedicated to ensuring the preservation of democracy and human rights. We’re aren’t accusing the IDSF of having done so yet, but if they do, we will get involved. Don’t give us any reason to. Keep civilians out of your conflicts to the best of your ability, and don’t install dictatorships and military juntas—these aren’t hard rules to follow. Also, I will have you know that a condemnation is not foreign intervention. It physically does nothing. Puts no boots on the ground. Raises no sanctions. It doesn’t even expel anyone from their seat. It only states that the majority of the body disagrees with what the recipient of the condemnation did. Let’s not be overly-sensitive and act as if a condemnation is the equivalent of a military deployment.”

“So you refuse the deal, and prefer war as your only alternative?”

That was more a warning then a declaration of anything but go on, if you need war turn WMDs on because I going to nuclear bomb and spread viruses including using mustard gas ( Chemical weapons ).

[Southeast Marajarbia]

“So you refuse the deal, and prefer war as your only alternative?”

That was more a warning then a declaration of anything but go on, if you need war turn WMDs on because I going to nuclear bomb and spread viruses including using mustard gas ( Chemical weapons ).

They are authorized, but only if necessary.

[Dalmannia]

“We as an organization are dedicated to ensuring the preservation of democracy and human rights. We’re aren’t accusing the IDSF of having done so yet, but if they do, we will get involved. Don’t give us any reason to. Keep civilians out of your conflicts to the best of your ability, and don’t install dictatorships and military juntas—these aren’t hard rules to follow. Also, I will have you know that a condemnation is not foreign intervention. It physically does nothing. Puts no boots on the ground. Raises no sanctions. It doesn’t even expel anyone from their seat. It only states that the majority of the body disagrees with what the recipient of the condemnation did. Let’s not be overly-sensitive and act as if a condemnation is the equivalent of a military deployment.”

“So you refuse the deal, and prefer war as your only alternative?”

“Let’s not be childish. You want to start a war just because we don’t agree to turn a blind eye in the instance that you commit war crimes? I suggest that some other IDSF members such as the IHS talk some sense into their ally.”

[Mystery Realms]

That was more a warning then a declaration of anything but go on, if you need war turn WMDs on because I going to nuclear bomb and spread viruses including using mustard gas ( Chemical weapons ).

They are authorized, but only if necessary.

Of course thanks for the explaining, but I recommend resolving this on the battlefield rather on the forums because we have the power in war rather then diplomacy. Also if we don't, we stuck arguing here all day because I been monitoring this thread and even after all this discussion, an not even an inch changed.

[Dalmannia]

“So you refuse the deal, and prefer war as your only alternative?”

That was more a warning then a declaration of anything but go on, if you need war turn WMDs on because I going to nuclear bomb and spread viruses including using mustard gas ( Chemical weapons ).

“Chemical and biological weapons are all literally prohibited by the Geneva Conventions. By allowing this, your alliance is admitting to a willingness to break exactly the very rules we run on. I’m starting to think that the IDSF wants to go to war with the ICDN. Prove me wrong and put the Mystery Realms on a tighter leash, they look a little too excited by the possibility of war. Let’s stop making threats, and talk this out like adults. We came here to lower tensions, not to make childish demands and threats.”

[Southeast Marajarbia]

“So you refuse the deal, and prefer war as your only alternative?”

“Let’s not be childish. You want to start a war just because we don’t agree to turn a blind eye in the instance that you commit war crimes? I suggest that some other IDSF members such as the IHS talk some sense into their ally.”

“Oh, I’m sorry. You are the one who won’t seal the deal!”

[Mystery Realms]

That was more a warning then a declaration of anything but go on, if you need war turn WMDs on because I going to nuclear bomb and spread viruses including using mustard gas ( Chemical weapons ).

“Chemical and biological weapons are all literally prohibited by the Geneva Conventions. By allowing this, your alliance is admitting to a willingness to break exactly the very rules we run on. I’m starting to think that the IDSF wants to go to war with the ICDN. Prove me wrong and put the Mystery Realms on a tighter leash, they look a little too excited by the possibility of war. Let’s stop making threats, and talk this out like adults. We came here to lower tensions, not to make childish demands and threats.”

Ok, I can well say that. I was about a moment away from writing a post about war but here I going to explain quietly what is happening actually.
So I trying to explain that the past war crimes and other crimes that ISDF committed, dosen’t really help the situation so I trying to tell ICDN that including we made some crimes in the past in your messages won’t calm down tensions in any way because we sick of that. I would actually like to have peace, given that you guys are a good organization and I have nothing in hold. No war

[Mystery Realms]

“Let’s not be childish. You want to start a war just because we don’t agree to turn a blind eye in the instance that you commit war crimes? I suggest that some other IDSF members such as the IHS talk some sense into their ally.”

“Oh, I’m sorry. You are the one who won’t seal the deal!”

That is partially correct, as you guys keep mentioning about our war crimes, and not about current tensions. Also our past crimes probably have nothing to do with this Peace talk at least.

[Dalmannia]

“Let’s not be childish. You want to start a war just because we don’t agree to turn a blind eye in the instance that you commit war crimes? I suggest that some other IDSF members such as the IHS talk some sense into their ally.”

“Oh, I’m sorry. You are the one who won’t seal the deal!”

“Your deal asks us to ignore the IDSF’s affairs no matter what they do. Diplomatic talks are discussions. This means that the terms of deals are negotiated. If you’re not willing to make any concessions or changes to your proposed deal, then these aren’t real diplomatic talks.”

[Magiclands]

“Oh, I’m sorry. You are the one who won’t seal the deal!”

“Your deal asks us to ignore the IDSF’s affairs no matter what they do. Diplomatic talks are discussions. This means that the terms of deals are negotiated. If you’re not willing to make any concessions or changes to your proposed deal, then these aren’t real diplomatic talks.”

Totally Correct. Sorry that I have been inactive for a while and not keeping up with the drama, but ICDNis technically very correct in recent posts. For example, if you are refusing to have a negotiation and expose the truth about your crimes and explain clearly, we cannot make a peace deal or treaty of any sort because you refused to participate.

[Mystery Realms]

“Your deal asks us to ignore the IDSF’s affairs no matter what they do. Diplomatic talks are discussions. This means that the terms of deals are negotiated. If you’re not willing to make any concessions or changes to your proposed deal, then these aren’t real diplomatic talks.”

Totally Correct. Sorry that I have been inactive for a while and not keeping up with the drama, but ICDNis technically very correct in recent posts. For example, if you are refusing to have a negotiation and expose the truth about your crimes and explain clearly, we cannot make a peace deal or treaty of any sort because you refused to participate.

That’s not right, We are trying but We feel that we should only discuss current and recent situations, and not crimes committed dozens of ages ago. Also With WMDs, that is in RL life not in NationStates. Also there is even a WMD policy in NationStates, and I have it.

[Dalmannia]

“Your deal asks us to ignore the IDSF’s affairs no matter what they do. Diplomatic talks are discussions. This means that the terms of deals are negotiated. If you’re not willing to make any concessions or changes to your proposed deal, then these aren’t real diplomatic talks.”

Totally Correct. Sorry that I have been inactive for a while and not keeping up with the drama, but ICDNis technically very correct in recent posts. For example, if you are refusing to have a negotiation and expose the truth about your crimes and explain clearly, we cannot make a peace deal or treaty of any sort because you refused to participate.

“Let’s make this clear as day: We aren’t talking about past crimes. As far as we’re aware, there is no ‘truth about their crimes’, because there are no crimes to be found. We’re talking about the potential of future crimes. If anyone breaks international law or threatens a country’s democracy, the ICDN may get involved. The IDSF is asking to be made an exception, and Dalmannia doesn’t believe that’s appropriate.”

[Southeast Marajarbia]

“Oh, I’m sorry. You are the one who won’t seal the deal!”

“Your deal asks us to ignore the IDSF’s affairs no matter what they do. Diplomatic talks are discussions. This means that the terms of deals are negotiated. If you’re not willing to make any concessions or changes to your proposed deal, then these aren’t real diplomatic talks.”

The deal requests that you stop focusing on us, and focus on everything else that matters for a large democratic alliance like you claim the ICDN is. The ICDN has no skill, and refuses to just ignore another alliance. Either focus on current tensions and seal the deal, or this attempt at diplomacy shall transform into a NS World War that we don’t even have time for.

[Magiclands]

Totally Correct. Sorry that I have been inactive for a while and not keeping up with the drama, but ICDNis technically very correct in recent posts. For example, if you are refusing to have a negotiation and expose the truth about your crimes and explain clearly, we cannot make a peace deal or treaty of any sort because you refused to participate.

“Let’s make this clear as day: We aren’t talking about past crimes. As far as we’re aware, there is no ‘truth about their crimes’, because there are no crimes to be found. We’re talking about the potential of future crimes. If anyone breaks international law or threatens a country’s democracy, the ICDN may get involved. The IDSF is asking to be made an exception, and Dalmannia doesn’t believe that’s appropriate.”

Very sorry of the confusion. I going to say that is Not okay for ISDF to get an permit to commit such acts.

[Dalmannia]

“Your deal asks us to ignore the IDSF’s affairs no matter what they do. Diplomatic talks are discussions. This means that the terms of deals are negotiated. If you’re not willing to make any concessions or changes to your proposed deal, then these aren’t real diplomatic talks.”

The deal requests that you stop focusing on us, and focus on everything else that matters for a large democratic alliance like you claim the ICDN is. The ICDN has no skill, and refuses to just ignore another alliance. Either focus on current tensions and seal the deal, or this attempt at diplomacy shall transform into a NS World War that we don’t even have time for.

“What is one reason why the ICDN and the IDSF should go to war? Because I can’t think of one. The war you keep threatening would have no point, and would benefit neither alliance.”