Italian Independence War (OOC/Signup)

[The Jamesian Republic]

Alright well I will have them identify themselves.

Even then I'm pretty sure they will still shoot you down

Why do you say that.

[Al-Musafakun]

Hey guys, Ima bout to accidently bring down a Jamesian plane.

It'd be a lot cooler if Al-Musafakun did it with...you know...snake-ladies on a plane...

...I'll see myself out.

Now that’s an idea

[The Selkie]

Even then I'm pretty sure they will still shoot you down

Why do you say that.

If I were to guess, I'd say "Because accidents happen."

[Insaanistan]

Lol. To my understanding, I didn’t start the conflict over Italy. Romextly and Langenia actually helped me last time I lost Italy, in which case my nation did in fact collapse.

If Insaanistan is this prone to collapse and extremism over its colonial territories, then the Europhone nations aren’t the problem - it’s your own people. This susceptibility to extremism among the population should mean that Boko Haram and other groups dominate large parts of the country, rather than what you said about them being small and fringe. I’d expect parties like Hamas to fill more than half of your parliament.

And no, trying to garner sympathy over your fictional peoples’ fragility isn’t going to help. Italy and Iberia aren’t yours, and never were, and your people need to get over that if you want me to think they’re reasonable, sane people. At the very least you’d still have a large base of support to work with even if you did RP rebellions in. At most you’d have half your territory (which is mostly just desert wasteland AFAIK) in rebellion, but going by your style of RP, you’d just crush that since Insaani military competence only manifests in the face of extinction.

Given how susceptible to extremism Insaanistan is, propaganda against you will be a cakewalk.

Dude, if you think I’m trying to get anyone to switch sides, you are sorely mistaken. I literally just let in someone who not only doesn’t support my rule over Italy but wants my nation to cease to exist.

The only country that’s ever been happy to lose land is Malaysia, and they now greatly regret that decision.
Snake lady ISIS religion does not exist and never did.
The last time my nation collapsed, it only continued to exist because more nations joined my coalition, not some “woopty doo, I conquer all this now” hunky dory magic.

[Langenia]

It'd be a lot cooler if Al-Musafakun did it with...you know...snake-ladies on a plane...

...I'll see myself out.

Now that’s an idea

I mean, I could give you some MANPADS if you want and let you do the job.

Why do you say that.

If I were to guess, I'd say "Because accidents happen."

Exactly. It's always an accident!

[The Selkie]

Wait, hang on, Langenia - the Balearic Islands are yours? I thought they were Insaanistan's...

[Langenia]

Wait, hang on, Langenia - the Balearic Islands are yours? I thought they were Insaanistan's...

No, they're Insaani, but I keep a naval base there.

[Al-Musafakun]

If Insaanistan is this prone to collapse and extremism over its colonial territories, then the Europhone nations aren’t the problem - it’s your own people. This susceptibility to extremism among the population should mean that Boko Haram and other groups dominate large parts of the country, rather than what you said about them being small and fringe. I’d expect parties like Hamas to fill more than half of your parliament.

And no, trying to garner sympathy over your fictional peoples’ fragility isn’t going to help. Italy and Iberia aren’t yours, and never were, and your people need to get over that if you want me to think they’re reasonable, sane people. At the very least you’d still have a large base of support to work with even if you did RP rebellions in. At most you’d have half your territory (which is mostly just desert wasteland AFAIK) in rebellion, but going by your style of RP, you’d just crush that since Insaani military competence only manifests in the face of extinction.

Given how susceptible to extremism Insaanistan is, propaganda against you will be a cakewalk.

Dude, if you think I’m trying to get anyone to switch sides, you are sorely mistaken. I literally just let in someone who not only doesn’t support my rule over Italy but wants my nation to cease to exist.

The only country that’s ever been happy to lose land is Malaysia, and they now greatly regret that decision.
Snake lady ISIS religion does not exist and never did.
The last time my nation collapsed, it only continued to exist because more nations joined my coalition, not some “woopty doo, I conquer all this now” hunky dory magic.

I wasn’t thinking that. It is good that it’s not just you on your side, but I’m just saying.

Italy and Iberia aren’t yours, and I’m sticking to the side that agrees with that objective statement, and it’s plenty easy to continue your nation’s existence without those colonial territories. Have a military junta take charge to restabilise the country as it puts down rebellions or hashes out new agreements with its constituent nations, or have a socialist republic declared in Insaanistan modelled after socialist federalism or something. We don’t care how you rationalise your country staying together, the only goal the informal ‘Coalition’ shares is liberating Italy and Iberia, and making the Straits British again or an international zone. But keep in mind any attempt to reimpose Insaani overlordship over Italy and Iberia would be met with armed opposition. We’re not bothered what you do with Africa.

I know it doesn’t; it’s meant to be fictitious. But something being unrealistic in origin doesn’t mean you need to make everything unrealistic. You can realistically keep Insaanistan together without Italy/Iberia, you have a national identity and relatively functioning government. Britain didn’t suddenly turn uber-crusader when the Suez was unlawfully seized from us, neither does your people need to go full terrorist, ya know?

[The Selkie]

Wait, hang on, Langenia - the Balearic Islands are yours? I thought they were Insaanistan's...

No, they're Insaani, but I keep a naval base there.

Ah, okay... one, which is currently besieged by Insannistani troops, I take it?

[Al-Musafakun]

Now that’s an idea

I mean, I could give you some MANPADS if you want and let you do the job.

Nah, it’s cool. I have to prepare my Army of the Righteous, and my mujahideen are with the SWA insurgents in Apulia.

[Insaanistan]

Dude, if you think I’m trying to get anyone to switch sides, you are sorely mistaken. I literally just let in someone who not only doesn’t support my rule over Italy but wants my nation to cease to exist.

The only country that’s ever been happy to lose land is Malaysia, and they now greatly regret that decision.
Snake lady ISIS religion does not exist and never did.
The last time my nation collapsed, it only continued to exist because more nations joined my coalition, not some “woopty doo, I conquer all this now” hunky dory magic.

I wasn’t thinking that. It is good that it’s not just you on your side, but I’m just saying.

Italy and Iberia aren’t yours, and I’m sticking to the side that agrees with that objective statement, and it’s plenty easy to continue your nation’s existence without those colonial territories. Have a military junta take charge to restabilise the country as it puts down rebellions or hashes out new agreements with its constituent nations, or have a socialist republic declared in Insaanistan modelled after socialist federalism or something. We don’t care how you rationalise your country staying together, the only goal the informal ‘Coalition’ shares is liberating Italy and Iberia, and making the Straits British again or an international zone. But keep in mind any attempt to reimpose Insaani overlordship over Italy and Iberia would be met with armed opposition. We’re not bothered what you do with Africa.

I know it doesn’t; it’s meant to be fictitious. But something being unrealistic in origin doesn’t mean you need to make everything unrealistic. You can realistically keep Insaanistan together without Italy/Iberia, you have a national identity and relatively functioning government. Britain didn’t suddenly turn uber-crusader when the Suez was unlawfully seized from us, neither does your people need to go full terrorist, ya know?

Context is imperative: many terrorist groups literally have their origin with discontent towards European powers being in Africa and Asia, so European powers attacking a largely West and North African power wouldn’t exactly help the War on Terror.

[Langenia]

No, they're Insaani, but I keep a naval base there.

Ah, okay... one, which is currently besieged by Insannistani troops, I take it?

No. Right now I'm not in conflict with the Insaanis, yet. So your cruiser is safe.

I mean, I could give you some MANPADS if you want and let you do the job.

Nah, it’s cool. I have to prepare my Army of the Righteous, and my mujahideen are with the SWA insurgents in Apulia.

Okey dokey.

[Al-Musafakun]

I wasn’t thinking that. It is good that it’s not just you on your side, but I’m just saying.

Italy and Iberia aren’t yours, and I’m sticking to the side that agrees with that objective statement, and it’s plenty easy to continue your nation’s existence without those colonial territories. Have a military junta take charge to restabilise the country as it puts down rebellions or hashes out new agreements with its constituent nations, or have a socialist republic declared in Insaanistan modelled after socialist federalism or something. We don’t care how you rationalise your country staying together, the only goal the informal ‘Coalition’ shares is liberating Italy and Iberia, and making the Straits British again or an international zone. But keep in mind any attempt to reimpose Insaani overlordship over Italy and Iberia would be met with armed opposition. We’re not bothered what you do with Africa.

I know it doesn’t; it’s meant to be fictitious. But something being unrealistic in origin doesn’t mean you need to make everything unrealistic. You can realistically keep Insaanistan together without Italy/Iberia, you have a national identity and relatively functioning government. Britain didn’t suddenly turn uber-crusader when the Suez was unlawfully seized from us, neither does your people need to go full terrorist, ya know?

Context is imperative: many terrorist groups literally have their origin with discontent towards European powers being in Africa and Asia, so European powers attacking a largely West and North African power wouldn’t exactly help the War on Terror.

That it would not, I completely agree. However, I’m sure you can RP an international campaign helping Insaanistan deal with its increased terrorism problem after European land has been liberated from Insaanistan. Iberia and Italy will deal with its own problems postwar, so can you. You’re perfectly capable of justifying Insaanistan’s continued existence despite territorial losses.

I personally suggest some form of military coup postwar, a temporary salvation government to stabilise the nation, fight extremism and foster reconciliation between Europe and North Africa, maybe economic incentives for mutual investment or symbolic ‘breaththrough agreements’. This government would deal with further separatism and extremism harshly but still manage to keep the nation together somehow. I’m certain part of the IC demands will include ceding claims over the Straits and European land in perpetuity, so that’ll be as far as things go for the IC demands, I imagine.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

You know, Insaanistan holding Italy and Iberia would be a great boon to European far-right parties. It's literally everything they've been crying about since time immemorial.

[The Selkie]

Ah, okay... one, which is currently besieged by Insannistani troops, I take it?

No. Right now I'm not in conflict with the Insaanis, yet. So your cruiser is safe.
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For the time being, she would be...

[Insaanistan]

You know, Insaanistan holding Italy and Iberia would be a great boon to European far-right parties. It's literally everything they've been crying about since time immemorial.

Not exactly, as the annexations took place in 1960, so by now they basically look at them the way the look at Macedonia (33% Muslim 66% Orthodox Christian IRL) or Bosnia (50% Muslim 49% Christian).

[Polish Prussian Commonwealth]

You know, Insaanistan holding Italy and Iberia would be a great boon to European far-right parties. It's literally everything they've been crying about since time immemorial.

Not exactly, as the annexations took place in 1960, so by now they basically look at them the way the look at Macedonia (33% Muslim 66% Orthodox Christian IRL) or Bosnia (50% Muslim 49% Christian).

And noone complained? I'm going to call bullshit again.

[Al-Musafakun]

You know, Insaanistan holding Italy and Iberia would be a great boon to European far-right parties. It's literally everything they've been crying about since time immemorial.

Not exactly, as the annexations took place in 1960, so by now they basically look at them the way the look at Macedonia (33% Muslim 66% Orthodox Christian IRL) or Bosnia (50% Muslim 49% Christian).

Uhh, AFAIK Bosnia and North Macedonia’s Muslim populations were caused by the Ottoman Empire, an imperial power, and that was centuries ago. The majority of the Muslim population in Insaani-occupied Europe isn’t indigenous and were brought in only a generation or two ago, and would definitely have caused an upsurge in anti-Muslim sentiment in Europe.

[Insaanistan]

Not exactly, as the annexations took place in 1960, so by now they basically look at them the way the look at Macedonia (33% Muslim 66% Orthodox Christian IRL) or Bosnia (50% Muslim 49% Christian).

And noone complained? I'm going to call bullshit again.

Oh, hell no.
I ain’t saying that.
It just isn’t a “See! Muslims took over Spain! They’ll come for us in Hungary next!”
It’s more they don’t want Muslims in their own borders and use France as an example.

[Insaanistan]

Not exactly, as the annexations took place in 1960, so by now they basically look at them the way the look at Macedonia (33% Muslim 66% Orthodox Christian IRL) or Bosnia (50% Muslim 49% Christian).

Uhh, AFAIK Bosnia and North Macedonia’s Muslim populations were caused by the Ottoman Empire, an imperial power, and that was centuries ago. The majority of the Muslim population in Insaani-occupied Europe isn’t indigenous and were brought in only a generation or two ago, and would definitely have caused an upsurge in anti-Muslim sentiment in Europe.

Their Muslim populations are a lot like those of Spain and Italy in my RP: many are part of the Balkan Muslims are simply descendants of native converts, but many are part Turkish.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

You know, Insaanistan holding Italy and Iberia would be a great boon to European far-right parties. It's literally everything they've been crying about since time immemorial.

Not exactly, as the annexations took place in 1960, so by now they basically look at them the way the look at Macedonia (33% Muslim 66% Orthodox Christian IRL) or Bosnia (50% Muslim 49% Christian).

Too late Mussolini's granddaughter has been running the Italian govt in exile since the 60's, along with Salvini. Primary agenda? Drive the Muslims into the sea.

[Polish Prussian Commonwealth]

Not exactly, as the annexations took place in 1960, so by now they basically look at them the way the look at Macedonia (33% Muslim 66% Orthodox Christian IRL) or Bosnia (50% Muslim 49% Christian).

Too late Mussolini's granddaughter has been running the Italian govt in exile since the 60's, along with Salvini. Primary agenda? Drive the Muslims into the sea.

The SWA liked that.

[Gongsi]

Not exactly, as the annexations took place in 1960, so by now they basically look at them the way the look at Macedonia (33% Muslim 66% Orthodox Christian IRL) or Bosnia (50% Muslim 49% Christian).

Too late Mussolini's granddaughter has been running the Italian govt in exile since the 60's, along with Salvini. Primary agenda? Drive the Muslims into the sea.

Is that a fourth faction in Italy I hear?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Too late Mussolini's granddaughter has been running the Italian govt in exile since the 60's, along with Salvini. Primary agenda? Drive the Muslims into the sea.

Is that a fourth faction in Italy I hear?

If by fourth you mean the only faction Ostmark recognises (i.e. the United Kingdom of Romagna and Venezia) then yes.

[Insaanistan]

Not exactly, as the annexations took place in 1960, so by now they basically look at them the way the look at Macedonia (33% Muslim 66% Orthodox Christian IRL) or Bosnia (50% Muslim 49% Christian).

Too late Mussolini's granddaughter has been running the Italian govt in exile since the 60's, along with Salvini. Primary agenda? Drive the Muslims into the sea.

That doesn’t sound genocidey at all.