Italian Independence War (OOC/Signup)

[Insaanistan]

I know you wanna screw me over for your OOC enjoyment, but how is colonizing me gonna fix anything?

Like, I don't care about your state, if we end up having your influence reduced to absolute zero in the endgame I'll fricken machine gun refugees on the Mediterranean if I have to.

...
The f*ck?

[The Selkie]

Have your lassies passed Gibraltar? If so, Bruineall (btw, Langenia, I am writing the post as we speak - thank you!) is changing course towards Langenian bases in Spain. They could link up south of Mallorca.

They're going through the Strait right now.
[...]

Wonderful! Mallorca, here we come!
You know the fun part? As Mallorca is part of Spain and Spain is not only Insaanistani, but also the place we want to liberate, we would have a justification to conquer Mallorca. I call dibs on shelling the Ballermann. ; )

I know you wanna screw me over for your OOC enjoyment, but how is colonizing me gonna fix anything?

I'm not colonizing you. I'm freeing Italy and Spain and stopping there. I genuinely do not care about what happens to you beyond that.

I am in a similar boat.

[The Jamesian Republic]

I get what y’all are saying, but losing Italy and Spain would give rise to other secession movements, damage my economy heavily, and make me ill equipped to fight terrorists, who now have a pretty large base.

You deserve it, c*lonizer.

If you are worried about internal struggles just do what the Rwandan government does, Make a monthly holiday dedicated to community service. Also institute policies that promote peace and unity and convict war criminals. Have Nura make an official forgiveness address as well. Also Nadia’s coven will wipe the entire city of Muslimbol’s memory of her setting random things on fire.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

me ill equipped to fight terrorists, who now have a pretty large base.

This is a naked threat to us all to flood us with Daesh entities no?

[Insaanistan]

me ill equipped to fight terrorists, who now have a pretty large base.

This is a naked threat to us all to flood us with Daesh entities no?

No, not even close.

[Necroagro]

How far is Insaanistan from Necroagro?
(Lol sorry for all the questions just trying to get an idea of how the map looks like. In fact if anybody has a map of important places and could give me a quick summary for what is happening right now that would be awesome.)

[Insaanistan]

How far is Insaanistan from Necroagro?
(Lol sorry for all the questions just trying to get an idea of how the map looks like. In fact if anybody has a map of important places and could give me a quick summary for what is happening right now that would be awesome.)

You are 2 Congos, a Gabon, a CAR, an Equitorial Guinea, a South Sudan and a Cameroon away from Insaanistan.

[Polish Prussian Commonwealth]

>starts conflict over italy
>upset when he loses it and has the country immediately collapse

I see that your state is VERY stable and VERY competent.

[The Selkie]

I get the damage to the economy, maybe even the secession movements as it would make the Insaanistani state appear weak and other oppressed minorities could see, that there time has come, but what I don't get is this: If Italy and Spain leave, in whichever form the following peace agreement would take, how would that make either country a base for terrorism in Insaanistan? If anything, it would reduce the amounts of terrorists Insaanistan would have to fight, reduce the area they would have to do so and free up resources (whichever will be remaining, that is).

It would radicalize the population though, however, you are right about the area they have to fight in and their number.

Radicalizing the Insaanistani population in which direction? Towards the people, who lit a metropolis on fire and lit their religious buildings on fire, or against them? I much rather think, that they should rally to Insaanistani flags, if not openly, then at least covertly.
Then again, specific internal fronts might find a lot more internal support and a sort-of internal power struggle breaks out. Not directly a Civil War, but it might end there.
However, those are thought games.

Losing land to Christians/White people who have attacked civilians, killed a Muslim guy and set the capital on fire and are burning mosques is definitely gonna make my people support terrorism more.

...no, that is not how it should logically work. After all, the Insaanistani government can quickly blame the fires on terrorists to increase their own support.

[Necroagro]

How far is Insaanistan from Necroagro?
(Lol sorry for all the questions just trying to get an idea of how the map looks like. In fact if anybody has a map of important places and could give me a quick summary for what is happening right now that would be awesome.)

You are 2 Congos, a Gabon, a CAR, an Equitorial Guinea, a South Sudan and a Cameroon away from Insaanistan.

Whoah that’s a good distance away. Radio Interception and mass propaganda across Africa time!

[Insaanistan]

>starts conflict over italy
>upset when he loses it and has the country immediately collapse

I see that your state is VERY stable and VERY competent.

Lol. To my understanding, I didn’t start the conflict over Italy. Romextly and Langenia actually helped me last time I lost Italy, in which case my nation did in fact collapse.

[Insaanistan]

It would radicalize the population though, however, you are right about the area they have to fight in and their number.

Radicalizing the Insaanistani population in which direction? Towards the people, who lit a metropolis on fire and lit their religious buildings on fire, or against them? I much rather think, that they should rally to Insaanistani flags, if not openly, then at least covertly.
Then again, specific internal fronts might find a lot more internal support and a sort-of internal power struggle breaks out. Not directly a Civil War, but it might end there.
However, those are thought games.

Losing land to Christians/White people who have attacked civilians, killed a Muslim guy and set the capital on fire and are burning mosques is definitely gonna make my people support terrorism more.

...no, that is not how it should logically work. After all, the Insaanistani government can quickly blame the fires on terrorists to increase their own support.

From the RP post, the people quickly saw it was a white person and immediately responded by burning churches and white owned businesses.
Taking this into account, the people probably wouldn’t be happy with a state that just lost a “Crusade”.

[Insaanistan]

>starts conflict over italy
>upset when he loses it and has the country immediately collapse

I see that your state is VERY stable and VERY competent.

Also, collapse seems very sensible:
-Majority Muslim state that shouldn’t exist only able to unite over general allegiance to Islam but usual tolerance of minorities
-Regions of nation are under threat of white people/Christians, a group that previously stripped the continent of its resources and massacred its people
-Military is distracted fighting said people, and nation that often has ethnic based protests because simple logic now has protests boil over into riots
-Seccession movements would see the situation and hope to take advantage of it
-People angry at government for trusting nations such as Langenia and Romexlty which are now openly fighting it
-Secularists want to take an opportunity to completely remove Islam from the government while extremists want to take the chance to turn it into an Islamic state
-ISIS, Boko Haram, and Al-Shabaab see increasingly anti-religious minority and chaotic environment and take advantage of it

[The Selkie]

Radicalizing the Insaanistani population in which direction? Towards the people, who lit a metropolis on fire and lit their religious buildings on fire, or against them? I much rather think, that they should rally to Insaanistani flags, if not openly, then at least covertly.
Then again, specific internal fronts might find a lot more internal support and a sort-of internal power struggle breaks out. Not directly a Civil War, but it might end there.
However, those are thought games.



...no, that is not how it should logically work. After all, the Insaanistani government can quickly blame the fires on terrorists to increase their own support.

From the RP post, the people quickly saw it was a white person and immediately responded by burning churches and white owned businesses.
Taking this into account, the people probably wouldn’t be happy with a state that just lost a “Crusade”.

And since when is terrorism exclusively non-white? ; ) Propaganda is a fickle mistress. Besides, burning in retaliation is an affect-based reaction, not switching sides - so, if the Insaanistani state would be able to use this affect-based reaction to bind people closer towards them, that could be positive.
As for loosing the Crusade... well, that again depends on the reaction. Ever heard of a lovely chap by the name of Saladin?

>starts conflict over italy
>upset when he loses it and has the country immediately collapse

I see that your state is VERY stable and VERY competent.

Also, collapse seems very sensible:
-Majority Muslim state that shouldn’t exist only able to unite over general allegiance to Islam but usual tolerance of minorities
-Regions of nation are under threat of white people/Christians, a group that previously stripped the continent of its resources and massacred its people
-Military is distracted fighting said people, and nation that often has ethnic based protests because simple logic now has protests boil over into riots
-Seccession movements would see the situation and hope to take advantage of it
-People angry at government for trusting nations such as Langenia and Romexlty which are now openly fighting it
-Secularists want to take an opportunity to completely remove Islam from the government while extremists want to take the chance to turn it into an Islamic state
-ISIS, Boko Haram, and Al-Shabaab see increasingly anti-religious minority and chaotic environment and take advantage of it

Those are some valid points, however - especially concerning the ethnic tensions. I didn't take those into account, sorry... the last part has me a bit confused. Wouldn't a religious terror organization like ISIS be more inclined to take advantage of radical members of their religion?
And there will be a few of those - crisis always has people turn towards religion for answers.

[Insaanistan]

From the RP post, the people quickly saw it was a white person and immediately responded by burning churches and white owned businesses.
Taking this into account, the people probably wouldn’t be happy with a state that just lost a “Crusade”.

And since when is terrorism exclusively non-white? ; ) Propaganda is a fickle mistress. Besides, burning in retaliation is an affect-based reaction, not switching sides - so, if the Insaanistani state would be able to use this affect-based reaction to bind people closer towards them, that could be positive.
As for loosing the Crusade... well, that again depends on the reaction. Ever heard of a lovely chap by the name of Saladin?

Also, collapse seems very sensible:
-Majority Muslim state that shouldn’t exist only able to unite over general allegiance to Islam but usual tolerance of minorities
-Regions of nation are under threat of white people/Christians, a group that previously stripped the continent of its resources and massacred its people
-Military is distracted fighting said people, and nation that often has ethnic based protests because simple logic now has protests boil over into riots
-Seccession movements would see the situation and hope to take advantage of it
-People angry at government for trusting nations such as Langenia and Romexlty which are now openly fighting it
-Secularists want to take an opportunity to completely remove Islam from the government while extremists want to take the chance to turn it into an Islamic state
-ISIS, Boko Haram, and Al-Shabaab see increasingly anti-religious minority and chaotic environment and take advantage of it

Those are some valid points, however - especially concerning the ethnic tensions. I didn't take those into account, sorry... the last part has me a bit confused. Wouldn't a religious terror organization like ISIS be more inclined to take advantage of radical members of their religion?
And there will be a few of those - crisis always has people turn towards religion for answers.

They guy closest to Insaanistan’ Saladin famously was in Somalia when a nuke hit the city he was in.
However, the govt might have a shot at using propaganda, yes.
The groups are taking advantage of the hatred towards religious minorities, namely Christians, is what I meant.

[The Selkie]

They guy closest to Insaanistan’ Saladin famously was in Somalia when a nuke hit the city he was in.
However, the govt might have a shot at using propaganda, yes.
The groups are taking advantage of the hatred towards religious minorities, namely Christians, is what I meant.

And a new one rising is out of the question?

That makes more sense, sorry. My English is sometimes on a fritz.

[Caribbean Confederation]

I realise this is getting annoying, but I'd like to post in the IC thread and I can't until Insaanistan responds at least once, even if with a one-liner, so I'd like to uh, bump this post once again.

[Al-Musafakun]

>starts conflict over italy
>upset when he loses it and has the country immediately collapse

I see that your state is VERY stable and VERY competent.

Lol. To my understanding, I didn’t start the conflict over Italy. Romextly and Langenia actually helped me last time I lost Italy, in which case my nation did in fact collapse.

If Insaanistan is this prone to collapse and extremism over its colonial territories, then the Europhone nations aren’t the problem - it’s your own people. This susceptibility to extremism among the population should mean that Boko Haram and other groups dominate large parts of the country, rather than what you said about them being small and fringe. I’d expect parties like Hamas to fill more than half of your parliament.

And no, trying to garner sympathy over your fictional peoples’ fragility isn’t going to help. Italy and Iberia aren’t yours, and never were, and your people need to get over that if you want me to think they’re reasonable, sane people. At the very least you’d still have a large base of support to work with even if you did RP rebellions in. At most you’d have half your territory (which is mostly just desert wasteland AFAIK) in rebellion, but going by your style of RP, you’d just crush that since Insaani military competence only manifests in the face of extinction.

Given how susceptible to extremism Insaanistan is, propaganda against you will be a cakewalk.

[Langenia]

Hey guys, Ima bout to accidently bring down a Jamesian plane.

[Gongsi]

>starts conflict over italy
>upset when he loses it and has the country immediately collapse

I see that your state is VERY stable and VERY competent.

Also, collapse seems very sensible:
-Majority Muslim state that shouldn’t exist only able to unite over general allegiance to Islam but usual tolerance of minorities
-Regions of nation are under threat of white people/Christians, a group that previously stripped the continent of its resources and massacred its people
-Military is distracted fighting said people, and nation that often has ethnic based protests because simple logic now has protests boil over into riots
-Seccession movements would see the situation and hope to take advantage of it
-People angry at government for trusting nations such as Langenia and Romexlty which are now openly fighting it
-Secularists want to take an opportunity to completely remove Islam from the government while extremists want to take the chance to turn it into an Islamic state
-ISIS, Boko Haram, and Al-Shabaab see increasingly anti-religious minority and chaotic environment and take advantage of it

Well, if this war is over quick, and the collapse doesn't happen immediately, you can probably expect some help from Gongsi in trying to put Insaanistan back together. Whether the Social Democrats stay in power or the unholy alliance between the Christian Democrats and the Islamic Socialists take over, either faction is willing to help.

Even then, a majority of your population is most likely not going to be radical extremists. Most people would be silent moderates more concerned with the wellbeing of themselves and their families. Even with a bunch of factions cropping up, terrorism and rebellion should be able to be put down, even if only eventually.

Only a vocal minority should be angry enough to start bombing/burning things.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Hey guys, Ima bout to accidently bring down a Jamesian plane.

Why? Please for the love of god don’t! Please!

[Gongsi]

Hey guys, Ima bout to accidently bring down a Jamesian plane.

It'd be a lot cooler if Al-Musafakun did it with...you know...snake-ladies on a plane...

...I'll see myself out.

[Langenia]

Hey guys, Ima bout to accidently bring down a Jamesian plane.

Why?

Because I don't think my forces in the southern Mediterranean know you, would identify you as Insaani planes trying to attack us, thus an accidental shoot-down. Think USS Vincennes incident, except this time with civilians.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Why?

Because I don't think my forces in the southern Mediterranean know you, would identify you as Insaani planes trying to attack us, thus an accidental shoot-down. Think USS Vincennes incident, except this time with civilians.

Alright well I will have them identify themselves.

[Romextly]

Because I don't think my forces in the southern Mediterranean know you, would identify you as Insaani planes trying to attack us, thus an accidental shoot-down. Think USS Vincennes incident, except this time with civilians.

Alright well I will have them identify themselves.

Even then I'm pretty sure they will still shoot you down