The American & Pacific Rim Crisis [MT/MT+, Semi-Closed, OOC]

[Langenia]

Ok. Would you be releasing it OOC or IC?

Or maybe, scratch that...

Possibly information about the impending coup can be given by the NAU Govt to their La Platan counterparts in a closed door meeting?

Just one question: how would the La Platans know the Langies are planning the coup?

[The Union of British North America]

Or maybe, scratch that...

Possibly information about the impending coup can be given by the NAU Govt to their La Platan counterparts in a closed door meeting?

Just one question: how would the La Platans know the Langies are planning the coup?

So it sounds like it will be IC then, I thought there would be some OOC discussion among Langie and La Plata before it happened IC outside the summit arc.

In terms of story arcs, we have so far (I'm thinking about it):
- Intro arc (early tensions, buildup, coup pre-planning)
- Summit arc (heated diplomatic exchanges in front of everyone at the summit, possibly a way out of starting conflict thought that fails)
- First conflict arc (Piikala and Langenia make their moves after somehow bypassing some NAU defenses, though the NAU recovers quicker than originally thought)
- Second conflict arc (NAU counterattacks)

[Piikala]

Good post, Piikala. This impending attack and UC-wide suspicion might make the whole UC declare war on Piikala once the attack begins. The conflict would break out almost immediately. We're close to starting hostilities though I was hoping it would break out between Langenia and the NAU, not Piikala.

Are there any resistance movements or independence movements in the Empire of Piikala. Dame Felicity Graves, the NAU Prime Minister, is Korean-North American. Perhaps some resistance movements are sprung up to distract Piikala in East Asia and the Western Pacific and limit their operations in the Eastern Pacific and the Americas?

The Piikalan sub is going to Cape Horn and launching attacks on La Platan airforce installations in inner La Plata while also deploying special forces to remove the La Platan government to support the coup de ta by the La Platan military as part of its efforts to distract the NAU from the Pacific.

Also, there could be outbreaks; however, the Piikalans are experienced with fighting outbreaks throughout its empire and are highly paranoid of them because it has 10 colonial citizens for every one Piikalan solider with all Piikalans from 17-50 being in the Piikalan either in the reserves or acting as a conscript soldier in its empire. The Piikalans being experienced at successfully fighting insurgents in places such as Vietnam, China, Eastern Russia, Southern Thailand, the Philippines, and Korea.

[Langenia]

Just one question: how would the La Platans know the Langies are planning the coup?

So it sounds like it will be IC then, I thought there would be some OOC discussion among Langie and La Plata before it happened IC outside the summit arc.

In terms of story arcs, we have so far (I'm thinking about it):
- Intro arc (early tensions, buildup, coup pre-planning)
- Summit arc (heated diplomatic exchanges in front of everyone at the summit, possibly a way out of starting conflict thought that fails)
- First conflict arc (Piikala and Langenia make their moves after somehow bypassing some NAU defenses, though the NAU recovers quicker than originally thought)
- Second conflict arc (NAU counterattacks)

Seems good to me. I guess (SPOILER ALERT READ AT YOUR OWN RISK):

that this conflict will end in a military stalemate, with neither Langenia, Piikala, or the NAU able to make gains.

[The Union of British North America]

So it sounds like it will be IC then, I thought there would be some OOC discussion among Langie and La Plata before it happened IC outside the summit arc.

In terms of story arcs, we have so far (I'm thinking about it):
- Intro arc (early tensions, buildup, coup pre-planning)
- Summit arc (heated diplomatic exchanges in front of everyone at the summit, possibly a way out of starting conflict thought that fails)
- First conflict arc (Piikala and Langenia make their moves after somehow bypassing some NAU defenses, though the NAU recovers quicker than originally thought)
- Second conflict arc (NAU counterattacks)

Seems good to me. I guess (SPOILER ALERT READ AT YOUR OWN RISK):

that this conflict will end in a military stalemate, with neither Langenia, Piikala, or the NAU able to make gains.

Yes, status quo antebellum. And lots of people upset. Though there can be still small but significant victories for each of us to make it seem worth it, if no territorial exchanges.

[The Union of British North America]

Good post, Piikala. This impending attack and UC-wide suspicion might make the whole UC declare war on Piikala once the attack begins. The conflict would break out almost immediately. We're close to starting hostilities though I was hoping it would break out between Langenia and the NAU, not Piikala.

Are there any resistance movements or independence movements in the Empire of Piikala. Dame Felicity Graves, the NAU Prime Minister, is Korean-North American. Perhaps some resistance movements are sprung up to distract Piikala in East Asia and the Western Pacific and limit their operations in the Eastern Pacific and the Americas?

The Piikalan sub is going to Cape Horn and launching attacks on La Platan airforce installations in inner La Plata while also deploying special forces to remove the La Platan government to support the coup de ta by the La Platan military as part of its efforts to distract the NAU from the Pacific.

Also, there could be outbreaks; however, the Piikalans are experienced with fighting outbreaks throughout its empire and are highly paranoid of them because it has 10 colonial citizens for every one Piikalan solider with all Piikalans from 17-50 being in the Piikalan either in the reserves or acting as a conscript soldier in its empire. The Piikalans being experienced at successfully fighting insurgents in places such as Vietnam, China, Eastern Russia, Southern Thailand, the Philippines, and Korea.

Ok, I can still do something then about the coup, though it will depend on Bengal's decision if it should succeed or fail. Perhaps this could be the match that lights the conflict? Something not directly related to Langenian-NAU disputes?

And for any resistance movements, I guess it depends on how much of a distraction you want while operating in the Americas.

[Bengal and Assam]

The Piikalan sub is going to Cape Horn and launching attacks on La Platan airforce installations in inner La Plata while also deploying special forces to remove the La Platan government to support the coup de ta by the La Platan military as part of its efforts to distract the NAU from the Pacific.

Also, there could be outbreaks; however, the Piikalans are experienced with fighting outbreaks throughout its empire and are highly paranoid of them because it has 10 colonial citizens for every one Piikalan solider with all Piikalans from 17-50 being in the Piikalan either in the reserves or acting as a conscript soldier in its empire. The Piikalans being experienced at successfully fighting insurgents in places such as Vietnam, China, Eastern Russia, Southern Thailand, the Philippines, and Korea.

Ok, I can still do something then about the coup, though it will depend on Bengal's decision if it should succeed or fail. Perhaps this could be the match that lights the conflict? Something not directly related to Langenian-NAU disputes?

And for any resistance movements, I guess it depends on how much of a distraction you want while operating in the Americas.

At first, there will be a period of confusion after the 1st stages of the coup takes place...
Then once things settle down, it'll become clear that the military controls the more urbanised coast, while the government still has the rural interior at its hand... Then Pikala and Langie can start operations against Government of La Plata installations in the interior, not that they can achieve much...

If Chile remains pro-NA, the government may get a request for help out from the "Norteamericanos" through the border. Its very essential, since most of the air force and a good chunk of the army has North American weaponry. Most of the industry is in the coast, under control of the military, so no conversion process for the Pro-Govt forces' hardware can be done. Or maybe it can be done thru Brazil as well.

Plus, the Commonwealth has to consider what to do with the mutinying 2nd (Legacy) Carrier Group of the La Platan Navy, which shall sail for the Falklands with dead officers in the storage room, and offer their services to the Royal Navy...

Basically this is the end result I have in mind

[Langenia]

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Seems good. The 2nd Carrier Group is gonna receive a ticket to Davy Jones' Locker tho.

[Piikala]

At first, there will be a period of confusion after the 1st stages of the coup takes place...
Then once things settle down, it'll become clear that the military controls the more urbanised coast, while the government still has the rural interior at its hand... Then Pikala and Langie can start operations against Government of La Plata installations in the interior, not that they can achieve much...

If Chile remains pro-NA, the government may get a request for help out from the "Norteamericanos" through the border. Its very essential, since most of the air force and a good chunk of the army has North American weaponry. Most of the industry is in the coast, under control of the military, so no conversion process for the Pro-Govt forces' hardware can be done. Or maybe it can be done thru Brazil as well.

Plus, the Commonwealth has to consider what to do with the mutinying 2nd (Legacy) Carrier Group of the La Platan Navy, which shall sail for the Falklands with dead officers in the storage room, and offer their services to the Royal Navy...

Basically this is the end result I have in mind

I am thinking the Piikalans will be attacking the inner territories mainly to test their new weapons before using them against the NAU. I am also thinking that Piikala could maybe start importing weapons to the military of La Plata to help in the coup in exchange for a large Piikalan military installation in the south. With Piikala providing weapons, fuel, and training to the Republics' soldiers. Along with modernizing its military technology with brand new state-of-the-art tech from its factories in Beijing. While maybe using Piikalas CUSP connection with Romextily to convince them to side with Piikala and not interfere against the Republic?

[Piikala]

Just one question: how would the La Platans know the Langies are planning the coup?

So it sounds like it will be IC then, I thought there would be some OOC discussion among Langie and La Plata before it happened IC outside the summit arc.

In terms of story arcs, we have so far (I'm thinking about it):
- Intro arc (early tensions, buildup, coup pre-planning)
- Summit arc (heated diplomatic exchanges in front of everyone at the summit, possibly a way out of starting conflict thought that fails)
- First conflict arc (Piikala and Langenia make their moves after somehow bypassing some NAU defenses, though the NAU recovers quicker than originally thought)
- Second conflict arc (NAU counterattacks)

Also, I am thinking Piikala's invasion of Hawaii could be like America's Fillipines maybe? With the Piikalans taking over the NAUs territory and sending the NAU troop onto ships and sending them to prisoner of war camps in the steps of Piikala near its border with Russia for the conflict. While Piikalans dig into the islands making it filled with tunnels and traps making it perfect for Gorrila warfare. Especially since the Piikalans are like the Japanese in WWII in that the Piikalan society has been molded since its existence to essentially die for the Piikalan Emperor who's seen as the descendant of the god of war and life by the Piikalans. Thus are willing to fight to the death for the empire that they see as a rising sun purifying a corrupt western world.

[Langenia]

With all due respect, Piikala, but your encroachment into the Americas might be seen as a threat to Langenia, because the Americas are OUR fortress, and kicking out a foreign power (the NAU) only to have it replaced with another might seem hypocritical in our eyes. Also, Romextly isn't involved in this conflict, he is playing as Chile. For the sake of our alliance I suggest you work your magic in the Pacific and I work mine in the Americas.

So it sounds like it will be IC then, I thought there would be some OOC discussion among Langie and La Plata before it happened IC outside the summit arc.

In terms of story arcs, we have so far (I'm thinking about it):
- Intro arc (early tensions, buildup, coup pre-planning)
- Summit arc (heated diplomatic exchanges in front of everyone at the summit, possibly a way out of starting conflict thought that fails)
- First conflict arc (Piikala and Langenia make their moves after somehow bypassing some NAU defenses, though the NAU recovers quicker than originally thought)
- Second conflict arc (NAU counterattacks)

Also, I am thinking Piikala's invasion of Hawaii could be like America's Fillipines maybe? With the Piikalans taking over the NAUs territory and sending the NAU troop onto ships and sending them to prisoner of war camps in the steps of Piikala near its border with Russia for the conflict. While Piikalans dig into the islands making it filled with tunnels and traps making it perfect for Gorrila warfare. Especially since the Piikalans are like the Japanese in WWII in that the Piikalan society has been molded since its existence to essentially die for the Piikalan Emperor who's seen as the descendant of the god of war and life by the Piikalans. Thus are willing to fight to the death for the empire that they see as a rising sun purifying a corrupt western world.

I'd go for it. I was thinking I'd do something similar, the Langenians have a similar ideology, the eagle, like the rising sun, purifying the West of its corruption.

[Bengal and Assam]

With all due respect, Piikala, but your encroachment into the Americas might be seen as a threat to Langenia, because the Americas are OUR fortress, and kicking out a foreign power (the NAU) only to have it replaced with another might seem hypocritical in our eyes. Also, Romextly isn't involved in this conflict, he is playing as Chile. For the sake of our alliance I suggest you work your magic in the Pacific and I work mine in the Americas.

Also, I am thinking Piikala's invasion of Hawaii could be like America's Fillipines maybe? With the Piikalans taking over the NAUs territory and sending the NAU troop onto ships and sending them to prisoner of war camps in the steps of Piikala near its border with Russia for the conflict. While Piikalans dig into the islands making it filled with tunnels and traps making it perfect for Gorrila warfare. Especially since the Piikalans are like the Japanese in WWII in that the Piikalan society has been molded since its existence to essentially die for the Piikalan Emperor who's seen as the descendant of the god of war and life by the Piikalans. Thus are willing to fight to the death for the empire that they see as a rising sun purifying a corrupt western world.

I'd go for it. I was thinking I'd do something similar, the Langenians have a similar ideology, the eagle, like the rising sun, purifying the West of its corruption.

Can the coup plotters use Langie territory to launch an invasion into Government territory? To make it match with LE MAP. As you can see, that line along Northern La Plata is the furthest extent they'll go in the North.
After that, I'll decide if the coupers win, or the govt... And if we have a Falklands War or not

[Langenia]

With all due respect, Piikala, but your encroachment into the Americas might be seen as a threat to Langenia, because the Americas are OUR fortress, and kicking out a foreign power (the NAU) only to have it replaced with another might seem hypocritical in our eyes. Also, Romextly isn't involved in this conflict, he is playing as Chile. For the sake of our alliance I suggest you work your magic in the Pacific and I work mine in the Americas.



I'd go for it. I was thinking I'd do something similar, the Langenians have a similar ideology, the eagle, like the rising sun, purifying the West of its corruption.

Can the coup plotters use Langie territory to launch an invasion into Government territory? To make it match with LE MAP. As you can see, that line along Northern La Plata is the furthest extent they'll go in the North.
After that, I'll decide if the coupers win, or the govt... And if we have a Falklands War or not

Sure, go ahead.

[Bengal and Assam]

Oi, North America, Can my own nation make a little cameo in this RP?

A Royal Bengal Air Defence Force squad training in Florida as a part of the integration training for Kawanese troops(<plus the Commonwealth getting some Japanese tech outta those aircrafts, since its may as well be a joint CPS[possibly run by Pikala in this tl] project). They'll have a sortie with the Langies...

[The Union of British North America]

I like the idea of a Philippines-like situation, and there is an alternate history book series by Harry Turtledove about a hypothetical Japanese naval and air attack followed by an invasion of Hawaii. Perhaps we can use that as spiritual reference and inspiration.

Now, to reiterate my geopolitical goals and views, since we are hashing them out again:
The NAU, and the UC that it is a member nation, see itself as the main bastion and arsenal of freedom and democracy (sound familiar?), though has been playing Great Power games since the middle of the 20th century. It must stand against the rising power in the Americas that threatens not only NAU/UC interests but also values. Piikala is seen as a universal monarchy, one that aims to challenge the Anglo-American order and values, so it would make sense we would be at loggerheads with the growing NAU-Langenian Crisis, as part of a longstanding cold war that could be boiling over again (since we are assuming basic history with each of our nations).

[Bengal and Assam]

I like the idea of a Philippines-like situation, and there is an alternate history book series by Harry Turtledove about a hypothetical Japanese naval and air attack followed by an invasion of Hawaii. Perhaps we can use that as spiritual reference and inspiration.

Now, to reiterate my geopolitical goals and views, since we are hashing them out again:
The NAU, and the UC that it is a member nation, see itself as the main bastion and arsenal of freedom and democracy (sound familiar?), though has been playing Great Power games since the middle of the 20th century. It must stand against the rising power in the Americas that threatens not only NAU/UC interests but also values. Piikala is seen as a universal monarchy, one that aims to challenge the Anglo-American order and values, so it would make sense we would be at loggerheads with the growing NAU-Langenian Crisis, as part of a longstanding cold war that could be boiling over again (since we are assuming basic history with each of our nations).

So Pikala would replace Japan as the main power in the East, as much as your IC interests are concerned?

[The Union of British North America]

I like the idea of a Philippines-like situation, and there is an alternate history book series by Harry Turtledove about a hypothetical Japanese naval and air attack followed by an invasion of Hawaii. Perhaps we can use that as spiritual reference and inspiration.

Now, to reiterate my geopolitical goals and views, since we are hashing them out again:
The NAU, and the UC that it is a member nation, see itself as the main bastion and arsenal of freedom and democracy (sound familiar?), though has been playing Great Power games since the middle of the 20th century. It must stand against the rising power in the Americas that threatens not only NAU/UC interests but also values. Piikala is seen as a universal monarchy, one that aims to challenge the Anglo-American order and values, so it would make sense we would be at loggerheads with the growing NAU-Langenian Crisis, as part of a longstanding cold war that could be boiling over again (since we are assuming basic history with each of our nations).

So Pikala would replace Japan as the main power in the East, as much as your IC interests are concerned?

Japan as in the sense of Imperial Japan of the real world, then yes.

[Piikala]

I like the idea of a Philippines-like situation, and there is an alternate history book series by Harry Turtledove about a hypothetical Japanese naval and air attack followed by an invasion of Hawaii. Perhaps we can use that as spiritual reference and inspiration.

Now, to reiterate my geopolitical goals and views, since we are hashing them out again:
The NAU, and the UC that it is a member nation, see itself as the main bastion and arsenal of freedom and democracy (sound familiar?), though has been playing Great Power games since the middle of the 20th century. It must stand against the rising power in the Americas that threatens not only NAU/UC interests but also values. Piikala is seen as a universal monarchy, one that aims to challenge the Anglo-American order and values, so it would make sense we would be at loggerheads with the growing NAU-Langenian Crisis, as part of a longstanding cold war that could be boiling over again (since we are assuming basic history with each of our nations).

So Pikala would replace Japan as the main power in the East, as much as your IC interests are concerned?

Piikala is essentially just a modern IJP that played its cards right and won WWII by playing its cards correctly. Also, I was thinking that the Piikalan invasion of Hawaii could go like the invasion of Singapore maybe with the UBC commanders surrendering after the Piikalans take over Nuuanu and start threatening to shell Honolulu below while the remnants of UBC forces in Honolulu are nearly nonexistent as the main UBC force could be forced to the end of Kiena point ending with a Batan like situation that could result in the embarrassment of surrendering Hawaii maybe? Ending with a battle that's a mix of Hong Kong, Singapore, and the invasion of Luzon for the UBC. With the Piikalans digging in after for an Iwo Jima like the battle in Corigadoor while Kahoolawe is turned into an Iwo Jima with the Piikalans digging in across the islands with a Gorila warfare type situation. As the rest of the islands are turned into fortresses that are designed for gorilla warfare and dug into too deeply forcing a long bloody campaign for both sides in the war.

[Langenia]

With all due respect, Piikala, but your encroachment into the Americas might be seen as a threat to Langenia, because the Americas are OUR fortress, and kicking out a foreign power (the NAU) only to have it replaced with another might seem hypocritical in our eyes. Also, Romextly isn't involved in this conflict, he is playing as Chile. For the sake of our alliance I suggest you work your magic in the Pacific and I work mine in the Americas.

Is this agreeable Piikala?

[Romextly]

I'll start working on a post

[Piikala]

With all due respect, Piikala, but your encroachment into the Americas might be seen as a threat to Langenia, because the Americas are OUR fortress, and kicking out a foreign power (the NAU) only to have it replaced with another might seem hypocritical in our eyes. Also, Romextly isn't involved in this conflict, he is playing as Chile. For the sake of our alliance I suggest you work your magic in the Pacific and I work mine in the Americas.

Is this agreeable Piikala?

I am also thinking in the conflict that Piikala could set up a drone base in Romextly since it's a fellow CUSP state? Since Piikala is only attacking La Plata to test its weapons, it plans to use them against the NAU. With an emphasis on it's new chemical weapons that it has developed.

[Langenia]

Is this agreeable Piikala?

I am also thinking in the conflict that Piikala could set up a drone base in Romextly since it's a fellow CUSP state? Since Piikala is only attacking La Plata to test its weapons, it plans to use them against the NAU. With an emphasis on it's new chemical weapons that it has developed.

Okey dokey. I guess La Plata is also becoming a test site for my weapons too.

[Bengal and Assam]

I am also thinking in the conflict that Piikala could set up a drone base in Romextly since it's a fellow CUSP state? Since Piikala is only attacking La Plata to test its weapons, it plans to use them against the NAU. With an emphasis on it's new chemical weapons that it has developed.

Okey dokey. I guess La Plata is also becoming a test site for my weapons too.

TF?

[Langenia]

Okey dokey. I guess La Plata is also becoming a test site for my weapons too.

TF?

Yes. A thank you to Kirchner for generously making her soldiers test subjects.

[Piikala]

Okey dokey. I guess La Plata is also becoming a test site for my weapons too.

TF?

It seems like we'll end up with a Spanish civil war-type situation.