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Newark-Amistad War OOC thread

Postby Allanea » Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:03 am

Greetings!

I’m making this thread to discuss some aspects of the Newark Slave War. There’s been discussion of this in several threads and I’d like to consolidate it into a single thread if nobody objects.

So as I understand the situation, the Newark Aristocracy has essentially started a large-scale slave trade and effectively taunted Amistad nations to ‘do something about it’, and things are now going towards full-scale war. It appears also that there’s some controversy whether this is going to be an MT or FT thread.

So I’d like to make some proposals in the spirit of keeping this organized.

a. I think the thread should be kept in ‘broad NS MT/PMT’. I don’t object to people claiming vast territories or giant populations and I think this should be allowed, but I think we should be keeping this at the level where most Amistad members can meaningfully participate in the thread. (But to be clear, if it were an FT thread I would certainly call upon my FT allies).

b. We should not use nukes. I don’t object to the use of bioweapons and chemical weapons (at least ones that are restrained by the rules of biology as we know them) because those are actually quite limited in the damage they do, but in my experience the use of nukes, even ‘small’ nukes, quickly devolves.

c. I am participating with the condition that I keep the events ‘canon’ for my nation. If you choose not to do so, we can maybe come to an arrangement that it was an ‘alternate reality version’ of your country or something?

It would be ideal I think to have some kind of clue of who is on what side. If – as seems to be unlikely – there are going to be lots of participants – we can split the RP into several ‘fronts’ that can be RPed out in separate threads.

Also a list of participants:

Slavery side:
Newark Aristocracy

Amistad Declaration:
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Kyundao
The Union of British North America
(I politely request we limit participants to 3 unless more participants arrive on Newark's side)

Neutral:
Berlin Military Administration

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Postby Rusalkan Soviet States » Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:11 am

Is this RP open to all or is it just you and some friends? I couldnt quite tell from the OP, so I wanted to check before I started jumping into things.

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Postby Allanea » Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:14 am

It's neither of those things, that's to say you should ask here before joining.

What side would you like to join in on?
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Postby Empirical Switzerland » Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:15 am

(OOC: we may join in favor of Alleana)
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Postby The Union of British North America » Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:18 am

I agree this should be a MT/PMT thread for broader participation and the rules for the number of participants.

I have the policy of "if you use germs, I use nukes" in the case of biological warfare against my nation. A bit Nixonian, but the type of bioweapon and its scale could influence the NAU's response, so perhaps not necessarily a nuclear response. This is more for direct attacks on the NAU and affecting food supply, water supply, large numbers of people, etc.

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Postby Allanea » Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:19 am

Free Ravensburg wrote:Joining Neutral, because we are basically UN Peacekeepers within a war


I don't think anyone has invited a peacekeeping force IC though.
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I changed my mind, I will join the side of Amistad
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Postby Rusalkan Soviet States » Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:22 am

Allanea wrote:It's neither of those things, that's to say you should ask here before joining.

What side would you like to join in on?


I'm going for neutral, our troops are only in the conflict to (ostensibly) protect our own interests.

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Postby New Visayan Islands » Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:32 am

While I was the one who painted Newark's slave market, considering that I already have forces committed to the Galadon Campaign the most I could bring to the table in the event of participation would be small units detached from either the Special Operations Command, the Special Activities Center of the Visayan Intelligence Agency, other paramilitary units of the Visayan intelligence community, or any combination of the above.
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Postby Trenaka » Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:45 am

Could I join on the Amistad side?
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Postby Kazakah » Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:52 am

What is Amistad by the way? I'm interested in joining what looks to be a quality RP.
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Postby Allanea » Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:05 am

New Visayan Islands wrote:While I was the one who painted Newark's slave market, considering that I already have forces committed to the Galadon Campaign the most I could bring to the table in the event of participation would be small units detached from either the Special Operations Command, the Special Activities Center of the Visayan Intelligence Agency, other paramilitary units of the Visayan intelligence community, or any combination of the above.


I mean I appreciate the offer of help but I think that two things should be kept in mind, oine is that a thread where lots of people are participating on one side can become unwieldy, and the other thing is that it might be actually somewhat unfair to Newark if we all pile in - 3-1 is already somewhat difficult no doubt. But the final decision is of course up to Newark Confederacy, who I hope is going to weigh in.
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Postby Kazakah » Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:15 am

Thank you for your answer. Perhaps Kazakah can join a neutral power?

The Kazakahian constitution explicitly outlaws and condemns slavery so we may be willing to support Amistad. Simultaneously, there are forces (societies, corporations, billionaires, ect.) within Kazakah that could secretly provide resources to Newark.
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Postby Bengal and Assam » Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:19 am

Just for public record. I have TGed Newwark about joining this RP.
As I am a part of the British Empire (unrelated to British North America who has reached here before me), Bengal has a moral obligation against slavery and would like to take part in this RP.

However, Newwark has told me about a "cap" on those new peoole joining the RP on the Anti-Slave side.
Hence, I am just going to leave this message here for public record.

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Postby Newark Aristocracy » Thu Oct 01, 2020 12:34 pm

I'm adding a NPC 'nation" (It's actually a rail company) to the Anti Slaver side.
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Postby Parxland » Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:01 pm

I wish to participate. This will be a good thread to get back into NS roleplay. my country's a modest, technologically advanced(by MT standard. Could be early PMT) & militaristic sovereignty of some 20-30 million, and my military is going to be somewhere between 1.5-4% of population (300k-800k).

If accepted, add me to the 'Amistad declaration' faction.
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Postby Peoples Republic of Joyea » Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:18 am

I like to participate in this thread as I did put in an application to join the Amistad Declaration though I received no reply. My nation is mostly Mt with some exceptions (PMT).
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Postby New Visayan Islands » Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:31 am

Peoples Republic of Joyea wrote:I like to participate in this thread as I did put in an application to join the Amistad Declaration though I received no reply. My nation is mostly Mt with some exceptions (PMT).


Please refer to this excerpt:
Allanea wrote:...two things should be kept in mind, oine is that a thread where lots of people are participating on one side can become unwieldy, and the other thing is that it might be actually somewhat unfair to Newark if we all pile in - 3-1 is already somewhat difficult no doubt.

Unless Newark has another slaver state teaming up with them, it looks like we're seeing a hard cap of 3 participants.
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Postby Third ZSeparatists » Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:33 am

We can aid Newark if needed, but I don't think we'll have much time to RP.
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Postby Allanea » Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:52 am

Peoples Republic of Joyea wrote:I like to participate in this thread as I did put in an application to join the Amistad Declaration though I received no reply. My nation is mostly Mt with some exceptions (PMT).


The Amistad Declaration is not an alliance you join, it's a declaration, you're a signatory by virtue of declaring yourself one.
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Postby Trenaka » Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:07 am

As we cannot join as a participant, I would like to join as an observer.
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Postby Newark Aristocracy » Sat Oct 03, 2020 3:22 pm

Hey,Allenea,can we end the RP with both sides staying alive with the Newark Aristocracy changing its slavery into voluntary slavery? I have some RL commitments that will interfere with RP,like school.

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Postby Parxland » Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:09 pm

I'll join up as a belligerent, loyal to neither major faction.
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