Osean-Joyean War (PT to PMT only, OOC, Signups Closed)

[Polish Prussian Commonwealth]

Also, behind X turret was the Admiral’s Pinnace, a converted light frigate that took twenty minutes to deploy, and had enough fuel for 2,000 miles steaming. It was designed specially for an Admiral, or VIPs to travel in.

you ever just have a ship
that carries a boat

Perfect. I can sink 2 for the price of 1.

[Reorganisieren Reichregierung]

OP dear... no offence intended but... do you actually vet people or... do you just reflexively post "accepted"? <.>

What do you mean by "vet people"?

Umm...reading one or two of their military factbooks before letting them in

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

What do you mean by "vet people"?

Umm...reading one or two of their military factbooks before letting them in

Read back on posting history too and reject if oneliners is the posting style. Otoh that's probs why I impose a minimum 200 word rp sample in all my rp's that sports an app.

[The United North American Alliance]

Nation Name: The United North American Alliance

Side (Osean\Joyean): Osean

Support given:

1. Subsidies and financial support; lowered costs for goods bought from North America
2. Intelligence support
3. Legalising the participation in this conflict by any means for North American citizens

Any other notes or questions: N/A

Did you read the rules?: Yes.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

As previously discussed on TG @OP:
Could you explain each of the items on this list, why you have them and what purpose you believe they serve?

Attack aircraft currently stationed in Joyeah City (excluding aircraft there temporarily AC-130,SU 25, SU 20, SU 7, Q5, J 21 Jastreb, AU 23, A-7, F1 (anti ship aircraft). Fighger aircraft stationed there include Hellcat 3000, MiG 35, MiG 25, MiG 29, Su 35, Tu 128, J 8, MiG 21, J 62s, J 10, J 20. Bombers at Joyeah city air base are Tu 95, B 1, Tu 22, B2, Yak 28. Other aircraft stationed there include: Yak 27, SR 71, SR 75, Tu 22PD, AN 2, C 17, Kc 10, Kc 130, kc 135, E 3, AN 225, AN 124, AN 12, Condor X, Vulture X, T 1, VC 137s, MS 160, JJ 2, WC 130, EC 130E, and EC 130Q.

I am mostly interested in these items:
"AU 23"
"Hellcat 3000"
"J 62"
"SR 75"
"Condor X"
"Vulture X"
"MS 160"

[Langenia]

Lacienia, I mean that you said that Langenien subs had attacked your convoy, thus meaning you acted for my nation, rather than myself, thus godmodding. Hope this helps!

[Cairene Arabia]

Nation Name: Al-Khilafah Al-Eabbasia wa Saltanat Al-Qahr
Side (Osean\Joyean): Joyean
Support given: Direct Military Intervention
Any other notes or questions:
Did you read the rules?: This is stupid

[Peoples Republic of Joyea]

Hm. Should I have Allanea participate in an auxiliary capacity to Joyea?

[In other words, we are not Joyea's ally or anything but we might share some intelligence or send funds or...]

You're welcome to apply and you can participate as an auxiliary capacity.

[Allanea]

Just to be clear, you should see my follow-up post in this tghread. At this point it's not tenable for me to support Joyea in this war and I'll probably be doing minor actions in support of Osea instead.

[Mitheldalond]

I feel I should point out that specifically targeting a submarine's reactor compartment, torpedo room, etc. with a torpedo isn't really possible. Many modern guided missiles are capable of this kind of thing, but not so much torpedoes.

Remember that neither the torpedo nor your sub can actually SEE the target; for the most part, they're relying purely on sound (magnetic and wake homing weapons also exist, but aren't especially common) to find it. The torpedo is basically either chasing the loud noise, or following the echo from its own sonar pings. This is why you can use things like sinking/sunken ships or terrain features to pull a torpedo away from chasing your sub.

With a wire-guided torpedo (which most sub-launched ones are), I guess you could try to manually steer it towards a particular part of a submarine, but really the torpedo probably has a better idea of precisely where the target is than you do.

[Mitheldalond]

By the way, do we have any consensus on where Joyea is located in relation to Osea? Like is it to the east or west?

Or in other words, is this war all taking place in the same ocean (the body of water, not misspelling "Osea"), or do we have two different theaters going on here?

[The United Artherian Federation]

I feel I should point out that specifically targeting a submarine's reactor compartment, torpedo room, etc. with a torpedo isn't really possible. Many modern guided missiles are capable of this kind of thing, but not so much torpedoes.

Remember that neither the torpedo nor your sub can actually SEE the target; for the most part, they're relying purely on sound (magnetic and wake homing weapons also exist, but aren't especially common) to find it. The torpedo is basically either chasing the loud noise, or following the echo from its own sonar pings. This is why you can use things like sinking/sunken ships or terrain features to pull a torpedo away from chasing your sub.

With a wire-guided torpedo (which most sub-launched ones are), I guess you could try to manually steer it towards a particular part of a submarine, but really the torpedo probably has a better idea of precisely where the target is than you do.

I was about to say the same things. All hail Mithel!

[Langenia]

I feel I should point out that specifically targeting a submarine's reactor compartment, torpedo room, etc. with a torpedo isn't really possible. Many modern guided missiles are capable of this kind of thing, but not so much torpedoes.

Remember that neither the torpedo nor your sub can actually SEE the target; for the most part, they're relying purely on sound (magnetic and wake homing weapons also exist, but aren't especially common) to find it. The torpedo is basically either chasing the loud noise, or following the echo from its own sonar pings. This is why you can use things like sinking/sunken ships or terrain features to pull a torpedo away from chasing your sub.

With a wire-guided torpedo (which most sub-launched ones are), I guess you could try to manually steer it towards a particular part of a submarine, but really the torpedo probably has a better idea of precisely where the target is than you do.

Right, thanks!

[Langenia]

Was my last post accurate/realistic? Advice appreciated.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Submarine simulating decoys doesn't kill a torpedo. If the torpedo goes past it because it won't explode it'll lock back onto the nearest target. A Mk 70 MOSS is also late 1970's tech which hasn't been updated since then which means most modern torpedoes will identify them as decoys and ignore them. As it's built on a Mk 37 propulsion section it's also noticeably slower than every submarine built since the late 60's, which further counts against it.

[Langenia]

Submarine simulating decoys doesn't kill a torpedo. If the torpedo goes past it because it won't explode it'll lock back onto the nearest target. A Mk 70 MOSS is also late 1970's tech which hasn't been updated since then which means most modern torpedoes will identify them as decoys and ignore them. As it's built on a Mk 37 propulsion section it's also noticeably slower than every submarine built since the late 60's, which further counts against it.

I know it doesn't kill a torpedo, a decoy merely distracts the torpedo.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Submarine simulating decoys doesn't kill a torpedo. If the torpedo goes past it because it won't explode it'll lock back onto the nearest target. A Mk 70 MOSS is also late 1970's tech which hasn't been updated since then which means most modern torpedoes will identify them as decoys and ignore them. As it's built on a Mk 37 propulsion section it's also noticeably slower than every submarine built since the late 60's, which further counts against it.

I know it doesn't kill a torpedo, a decoy merely distracts the torpedo.

If it goes past the decoy, circles around and notices your submarine because modern torpedo sonars see really, really far you are still equally doomed.

[Mitheldalond]

Submarine simulating decoys doesn't kill a torpedo. If the torpedo goes past it because it won't explode it'll lock back onto the nearest target. A Mk 70 MOSS is also late 1970's tech which hasn't been updated since then which means most modern torpedoes will identify them as decoys and ignore them. As it's built on a Mk 37 propulsion section it's also noticeably slower than every submarine built since the late 60's, which further counts against it.

Lock onto the nearest target or go into its search pattern if it doesn't find one. If the submarine that launched the torpedo can hear both the decoy and the target sub (but doesn't necessarily know which is which), and still has the wire to the torp, it can just steer the torpedo onto the second contact after it misses the first contact (the decoy) a couple times.

And for the record, I'm not using the actual Mk70 MOSS. I'm using a modern 21" version, as can be seen under the specifications for my subs here (EDIT: Uinen also has a more detailed write-up here. It's admittedly outdated, especially the stat block, but the sections on stealth are mostly still applicable):

ORBAT:
Strike Group Gilraen:

• 1 x Nenya-class light carrier (CVL): MNS Gilraen
• 1 x Fëacir-class command cruiser (CCGN): MNS Telcontar
• 2 x Telerin-class destroyers (DDG): MNS Oranel, Turindell
• 5 x Elwing-class frigates (FFG): MNS Miriel, Lindir, Lena, Nienel, Nimlath
• 1 x Uinen-class attack submarine (SSN): MNS Elgarath
• 1 x Ossë-class attack submarine (SSGN): MNS Ëarrokh

Gilgalad-class supercarrier:

• Length: 1120 ft, Beam: 258 ft
• Cost: ~$12 billion
• Designed/Introduced: late 1990s to early 2000s
• Power/Propulsion: 2 nuclear reactors, 4 shafts, EMALS
• Speed: >30 kts
• Air Wing:
  
  • 56 x F/A-19 Thunderhawks (multi-role fighter)
  • 8 x EA-19 Electrohawks (electronic warfare aircraft)
  • 6 x E-2 Hawkeyes (AEW&C aircraft)
  • 6 x MH-60S Seahawks (multi-purpose utility helicopter)
  • 16 x MH-60R Seahawks (anti-sub helicopter)
  • 18 x Reconnaissance UAVs
  • Total: 92+18 (70 aircraft, 22 helicopters, 18 UAVs)

Nenya-class light carrier:

• Length: 850 ft, Beam: 200 ft
• Cost: ~$5 billion
• Designed/Introduced: early 2010s
• Power/Propulsion: CODAG, Integrated Electric Propulsion, 4 shafts, EMALS
• Speed: >30 kts
• Range: 20,000 nmi @ 20 kts
• Air Wing:
  
  • 26 x F/A-19 Thunderhawks
  • 4 x EA-19 Electrohawks
  • 4 x E-2 Hawkeyes
  • 4 x MH-60S Seahawks
  • 8 x MH-60R Seahawks
  • 12 x Reconnaissance UAVs (folded and racked)
  • Total: 46+12 (34 aircraft, 12 helicopters, 12 recon drones)

Fëacir-class command cruiser:

• Length: 650 ft, Beam: 84 ft
• Cost: $5.3 billion
• Designed/Introduced: early-mid 2000s
• Power/Propulsion: 2 nuclear reactors, electric motors (IEP), 2-4 shafts with shrouded props / pump-jets
• Speed: >30 kts
• Range: unlimited (nuclear)
• Crew: ~600-650
• Boats: 2+ x RHIBs, 4 x Fleet-class unmanned surface vessels
• Aviation: 3 x MH-60 helicopters and 6 x MQ-18 Hummingbird UAVs, or 5-6 x MH-60 helicopters; landing pad and hangar
• Sensors and Processing Systems:
  
  • Aeglos Combat and Battle Management System
  • X-band AESA multi-function radar (MFR)
  • S-band AESA volume search (VSR), long-range early warning, and ballistic missile defense radar
  • Forward and side looking sonar arrays
  • Variable depth towed array sonar
• Armament:
  
  • 2 x 64-cell strike length Mk 41 VLS
    
    • 64 x RIM-170 Artemis (extended range SAM)
    • 64 x RIM-171 Athena (long range SAM)
  • 2 x 32-cell strike length Mk 41 VLS
    
    • 40 x RGM-111 Fëanar (stealthy anti-ship and land attack cruise missile)
    • 24 x RIM-161 SM-3 (ABM)
  • 4 x 8-cell self-defense length Mk 41 VLS
    
    • 128 x RIM-162 ESSM (short range SAM)
  • 2 x 5"/54 or 5"/62 guns
  • 2 x 35mm Millennium Gun CIWS
  • 2 x SeaRAM CIWS
  • 2 x LaWS lasers
  • 2 x triple anti-submarine torpedo tubes

Telerin-class destroyer:

• Length: 545 ft, Beam: 70 ft
• Cost: $2-2.5 billion
• Designed/Introduced: early 2000s
• Power/Propulsion: CODAG inetgrated electric propulsion, 2 shafts with shrouded props/pump-jets
• Speed: >30 kts
• Range: 10,000 nmi @ 20 kts, 5500 nmi @ 30 kts
• Crew: ~300
• Boats: 2 x RHIB, 2 x Fleet-class USV
• Aviation: 2 x MH-60 helicopters, 2 x MQ-18 Hummingbird UAV, landing pad and hangars
• Sensors and Processing Systems:
  
  • Aeglos Combat System
  • X-band AESA multi-function radar
  • S-band AESA volume search radar
  • Forward and side-looking sonar arrays
  • Variable depth towed array sonar
• Armament:
  
  • 2 x 64-cell strike length Mk 41 VLS
    
    • 40 x RIM-170 Artemis
    • 40 x RIM-171 Athena
    • 32 x RGM-111 Fëanar
    • 8 x RIM-161 SM-3
    • 8 x RUM-125 Sea Lance (anti-sub missile)
  • 2 x 8-cell self-defense length Mk 41 VLS
    
    • 64 x RIM-162 ESSM
  • 1 x 5"/54 or 5"/62 gun
  • 2 x 35mm Millennium Gun CIWS (aft corners of hangar)
  • 1 x SeaRAM CIWS
  • 1 x LaWS laser
  • 2 x triple anti-submarine torpedo tubes

Elwing-class frigate:

• Length: 420 ft, Beam: 58 ft, Draft: 13 ft(?)
• Cost: $500-750 million
• Designed/Introduced: early 2010s
• Power/Propulsion: CODAG, 2-4 waterjets
• Speed: 35 kts
• Range: 6000 nmi @ 20 kts, 3300 nmi @ 30 kts
• Crew: ~100-150
• Boats: 1-2 x RHIB, 2 x Fleet-class unmanned surface vessels
• Aviation: 1 x MH-60 helicopter, 1 x MQ-18 UAV, landing pad and hangar
• Sensors and Processing Systems:
  
  • Aeglos-Lite Combat System
  • Lightweight 3D AESA radar
  • Forward and side looking sonar arrays
  • Variable depth towed array sonar
  • Fleet-class USVs have towed sonar
• Armament:
  
  • 2 x 16-cell strike length Mk 41 VLS
    
    • 24 x RIM-169 Apollo (long range SAM)
    • 8 x RUM-125 Sea Lance
  • 1 x 12-cell self-defense length Mk 41 VLS
    
    • 48 x RIM-162 ESSM
  • 24 x Naval Strike Missile (4 sextuple box launchers) (anti-ship missile)
  • 1 x 3"/62 Super Rapid gun
  • 1 x 35mm Millennium Gun CIWS (aft)
  • 1 x SeaRAM CIWS
  • 1 x LaWS laser
  • 4 x triple anti-submarine torpedo tubes

Ossë-class guided missile attack submarine:

• Length: 410 ft, Beam: 40 ft
• Cost: $3-3.5 billion
• Designed/Introduced: mid-late 1990
• Power/Propulsion: nuclear reactor, batteries, pump-jet propulsor
• Speed: 35 kts submerged
• Range: unlimited (nuclear)
• Test Depth: officially 800+ ft (actually 1600 ft; crush depth 2500+ ft)
• Crew: ~120-140
• Armament:
  
  • 8 x 26" torpedo tubes
    
    • 50 x torpedoes, missiles, 21" MOSS decoys, mines
  • 8 x 7-cell VLS silos
    
    • 30 x UGM-109 Tomahawk (land attack cruise missile)
    • 24 x UGM-111 Fëanar
    • 8 x IDAS SAM (2 cells)

Uinen-class hunter-killer attack submarine:

• Length: 340 ft, Beam: 36 ft
• Cost: $2-2.8 billion
• Designed/Introduced: early 2010s
• Power/Propulsion: nuclear reactor, lithium-ion batteries, IEP, pump-jet propulsor
• Speed: >30 kts submerged
• Range: unlimited (nuclear)
• Test Depth: 800+ ft (actually ~1800 ft; crush depth 2700+ ft)
• Crew: ~70
• Armament:
  
  • 6 x 26" torpedo tubes (36 weapon racks)
    
    • 30 x Mk 48 torpedo
    • 6 x 21" MOSS decoy
  • 2 x 7-cell VLS silos
    
    • 13 x UGM-111 Fëanar
    • 4 x IDAS SAM (1 cell)

RIM-170 Artemis:

• Type: surface-to-air, anti-ship missile defense, terminal ballistic missile defense
• Unit cost: ~$15-20 million
• Length: 21 ft, Diameter: 21"
• Range: 350 nmi
• Speed: mach 5
• Warhead: 300 lb directional blast fragmentation, proximity and contact fuse
• Guidance: inertial/GPS guidance, semi-active radar, networked datalink and IIF receiver, terminal high off-boresight multimode active/semi-active radar and IIR/UV seeker with passive radar homing and home-on-jam capabilities
• Propulsion: 2-stage solid-fuel rocket; thrust vectoring, nose or tail fin control surfaces, lateral attitude control thrusters
• Additional Notes/Features:
  
  • Extreme maneuverability
  • Hit-to-kill accuracy
  • Will not accidentally lock onto friendly aircraft thanks to IFF receiver; can be launched into the middle of a dogfight
  • If misses, will pull a 180 and try again (seeker must reacquire lock after turn, or just rely on datalink) and/or fly a search pattern to reacquire target or find a new one

RIM-171 Athena:

• Type: surface-to-air, anti-ship missile defense
• Unit cost: ~$8-10 million (includes cost of submunitions at ~$1.5-2 million each)
• Length: 21 ft, Diameter: 21"
• Range: 150 nmi total, ~50 km for submunitions
• Speed: mach 3 initial, mach 4 for submunitions
• Warhead: 4 x submunition missiles, 50 lb blast fragmentation each
• Guidance: inertial/GPS guidance, semi-active radar, networked datalink; submunitions: active radar homing with home-on-jam capability
• Propulsion: solid-fuel ramjet/throttleable ducted rocket, solid-fuel rocket submunitions
• Additional Notes/Features:
  
  • Submunitions are comparable to AIM-120 AMRAAM, but a few feet shorter due to reduced range requirements
  • Each submunition can engage a different target, or all 4 can engage the same target
  • Submunitions each have a ~63% probability of kill (same as AMRAAM)
  • Has over a 98% probability of kill if all submunitions engage same target (probability that at least one hits)
  • Submunitions released in sequence at around 20-25km to target

RIM-169 Apollo:

• Type: surface-to-air, anti-ship missile defense, terminal ballistic missile defense
• Unit cost: ~$5 million
• Length: 18 ft, Diameter: 21"
• Range: 150 nmi
• Speed: mach 3.5
• Warhead: 500 lb directional blast fragmentation, proximity and contact fuse
• Guidance: inertial/GPS guidance, semi-active radar, 2-way datalink, active/semi-active radar homing with home-on-jam capability
• Propulsion: solid-fuel rocket
• Additional Notes/Features:
  
  • Predecessor of RIM-171 Athena; still commonly used on ships like frigates that have limited VLS cells as it is considered a better multipurpose weapon than RIM-171
  • Latest versions include software updates that allow it to serve in anti-ship and land attack roles

RGM-111 Fëanar:

• Type: stealthy anti-ship and land attack cruise missile
• Unit cost: ~$3.5 million
• Length: 21 ft, Diameter: 21"
• Range: 1000 nmi, sea-skimming terminal approach with optional pop-up
• Speed: high subsonic; about mach 0.8
• Warhead: 1000 lb blast fragmentation penetrator
• Guidance: inertial/GPS guidance, networked datalink and IIF receiver, terminal active radar and IIR seeker with target/image recognition
• Propulsion: solid-fuel rocket booster, turbofan engine
• Additional Notes/Features:
  
  • Stealthy airframe
  • Performs pseudo-random maneuvers in the terminal phase to throw off CIWSs
  • Capable of autonomous targeting and coordinating attacks with other networked missiles

AIM-154 ALRAAM (Phoenix II):

• Type: long-range air-to-air missile
• Unit cost: ~$2.5 million
• Length: 13 ft, Diameter: 15"
• Range: 200 nmi
• Speed: mach 5
• Warhead: 4 x submunition missiles, 5 lb blast fragmentation each
• Guidance: inertial, passive and semi-active radar homing, midcourse update via datalink; submunitions: dual mode IIR and millimeter-wave radar seeker
• Propulsion: solid-fuel ramjet/throttleable ducted rocket, submunitions solid-fuel rocket
• Additional Notes/Features:
  
  • Designed as an AWACS and strategic bomber killer
  • Submunitions released a mile from target
  • Submunitions based on NAVAIR Spike and/or Pyros bomb

I'm just calling it a MOSS because I couldn't be bothered to come up with a new name for it.

EDIT: Also, you missed a torpedo Langenia. Your fourth sub has two coming for it: one from the front, and a second one from behind.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Has anyone been keeping tab of the numbers of Langenian submarines now decorating the sea floor of bumfucknowhere? <.>
I have a feeling he's been losing more submarines than he has.

[Polish Prussian Commonwealth]

Has anyone been keeping tab of the numbers of Langenian submarines now decorating the sea floor of bumfucknowhere? <.>
I have a feeling he's been losing more submarines than he has.

i'll toss a nuclear depth charge down there or 3

[Langenia]

Has anyone been keeping tab of the numbers of Langenian submarines now decorating the sea floor of bumfucknowhere? <.>
I have a feeling he's been losing more submarines than he has.

Eh, I can always make more.

[Langenia]

Has anyone been keeping tab of the numbers of Langenian submarines now decorating the sea floor of bumfucknowhere? <.>
I have a feeling he's been losing more submarines than he has.

i'll toss a nuclear depth charge down there or 3

haha

[Mitheldalond]

. . . depth charges have been used to sink the Mitheldalondian submarine.

Or have they? Dun dun DUUUNNNNN!!!

(Friendly notification that this is a classic example of godmodding)

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Has anyone been keeping tab of the numbers of Langenian submarines now decorating the sea floor of bumfucknowhere? <.>
I have a feeling he's been losing more submarines than he has.

Eh, I can always make more.

On items that takes a reasonably modern nation four years from keellaying to commission? The same nation who prints a light carrier a year?

[Polish Prussian Commonwealth]

Has anyone been keeping tab of the numbers of Langenian submarines now decorating the sea floor of bumfucknowhere? <.>
I have a feeling he's been losing more submarines than he has.

Eh, I can always make more.

sure