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-Roma Invicta-
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Postby -Roma Invicta- » Sun May 31, 2020 10:21 am

Big Carencia wrote:ooc. I think they haven't understood me. when I put `` all ''. I meant that all the ships of your nations can pass as long as the conditions are met, to inform the kingdom that they will pass. The only ones to worry about are stateless people and anyone who does not meet the established conditions. Currently all countries can pass safely. When I say `` all '' I mean that the country have all the permissions to navigate. I am going to modify the document so that everyone can understand it without error.


So, the position of Rome, and I suspect most other nation-states, is that piracy is not acceptable under any circumstances.

For example, failing to adequately report position to Vessal Traffic Services (VTS) is a civil matter, which would be dealt with by fines and/or by a Coast Guard, not by state-sponsered pirates. Moreover, any civilian vessel has the right to innocent passage without fear of being attacked by pirates. In short, state-sponsered piracy is not something that Rome would ever be able to tolerate, as it's very presence highlights the lack of proper maritime law enforcement and is an indicator of a failed state. Moreover, from an economic persepctive the flag of the vessel is not the only reason why a state would have national security interests; various supplies, products, and the like, which could have a knock on effect on a nation other than that of the ship's owner.

From an OCC perspetive you're more than welcome to write your nation as heavily based around piracy, but ICly you have to accept that no one is likely to be pleased with piracy, against themselves or others. Which means, certainly from a Roman persepctive, a large number of Roman warships escorting our own, and friendly, shipping in the vicinity.
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Big Carencia
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Postby Big Carencia » Sun May 31, 2020 10:27 am

I fully understand what you are saying. You are absolutely right that piracy from other states is not approved. But it was to emphasize that if the ship warns and carries a flag, it will not be attacked.
That said, you can write accordingly that I have piracy in my nation. It's the only thing I wanted to clarify
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Postby Earth X Apps » Sun May 31, 2020 10:29 am

Big Carencia wrote:ooc. I think they haven't understood me. when I put `` all ''. I meant that all the ships of your nations can pass as long as the conditions are met, to inform the kingdom that they will pass. The only ones to worry about are stateless people and anyone who does not meet the established conditions. Currently all countries can pass safely. When I say `` all '' I mean that the country have all the permissions to navigate. I am going to modify the document so that everyone can understand it without error.

Do us a favor, go back to your OOC post in the Newswire and click the X in the upper right corner. It will allow you to delete it because you write it and it is the last one in the thread.
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Postby Big Carencia » Sun May 31, 2020 10:29 am

Earth X Apps wrote:
Big Carencia wrote:ooc. I think they haven't understood me. when I put `` all ''. I meant that all the ships of your nations can pass as long as the conditions are met, to inform the kingdom that they will pass. The only ones to worry about are stateless people and anyone who does not meet the established conditions. Currently all countries can pass safely. When I say `` all '' I mean that the country have all the permissions to navigate. I am going to modify the document so that everyone can understand it without error.

Do us a favor, go back to your OOC post in the Newswire and click the X in the upper right corner. It will allow you to delete it because you write it and it is the last one in the thread.

yes
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viewtopic.php?f=31&t=486045 Playing as the Australian Federation
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viewtopic.php?f=31&t=486822 Playing as Aprohis , God of Deception and Snakes
Everything I say here does not represent my actual views.
``Do what I do and don't get involved in politic´´ -Francisco Franco
what I believe (although nobody understands it because it is in Spanish)

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Postby Big Carencia » Sun May 31, 2020 10:31 am

Earth X Apps wrote:
Big Carencia wrote:ooc. I think they haven't understood me. when I put `` all ''. I meant that all the ships of your nations can pass as long as the conditions are met, to inform the kingdom that they will pass. The only ones to worry about are stateless people and anyone who does not meet the established conditions. Currently all countries can pass safely. When I say `` all '' I mean that the country have all the permissions to navigate. I am going to modify the document so that everyone can understand it without error.

Do us a favor, go back to your OOC post in the Newswire and click the X in the upper right corner. It will allow you to delete it because you write it and it is the last one in the thread.

for some strange reason he won't let me. I will exchange it for a news from my country and it will be arranged.
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viewtopic.php?f=31&t=486822 Playing as Aprohis , God of Deception and Snakes
Everything I say here does not represent my actual views.
``Do what I do and don't get involved in politic´´ -Francisco Franco
what I believe (although nobody understands it because it is in Spanish)

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Postby Earth X Apps » Sun May 31, 2020 10:34 am

Big Carencia wrote:
Earth X Apps wrote:Do us a favor, go back to your OOC post in the Newswire and click the X in the upper right corner. It will allow you to delete it because you write it and it is the last one in the thread.

for some strange reason he won't let me. I will exchange it for a news from my country and it will be arranged.

It's not a big thing, but we do want to keep only IC news posts in that thread.

But, if you're the last to post, it should allow you to delete your own message. Curious.
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Postby Big Carencia » Sun May 31, 2020 10:40 am

Problem solved, I have put a little news. Even if it's a spoiler for the next post on my forum
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viewtopic.php?f=5&t=485294 Playing as the Kingdom of Big Carencia
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=486822 Playing as Aprohis , God of Deception and Snakes
Everything I say here does not represent my actual views.
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Postby Big Carencia » Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:11 pm

Wow, it seems like I managed to be the bad guy in the movie. Being my first RP, I know I will end up more dead than alive. But this is like the gladiators in Rome. The problem is not living or dying, just putting on a good show.
I hope to live up to expectations.
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viewtopic.php?f=31&t=486045 Playing as the Australian Federation
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=485294 Playing as the Kingdom of Big Carencia
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=486822 Playing as Aprohis , God of Deception and Snakes
Everything I say here does not represent my actual views.
``Do what I do and don't get involved in politic´´ -Francisco Franco
what I believe (although nobody understands it because it is in Spanish)

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Postby United Holdings Incorporated » Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:34 am

Oceanor, what should be the terms of the Military alliance?

I think it should be like this:

Mutual Defense Treaty and Joint Operations.
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Oceanor
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Postby Oceanor » Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:47 am

United Holdings Incorporated wrote:Oceanor, what should be the terms of the Military alliance?

I think it should be like this:

Mutual Defense Treaty and Joint Operations.


Sounds good. The only technicality is that my nation is a Confederacy, so some of the Confederates will not consider themselves allies with you. That won't be an issue though, as Oceanor does have a centralized Joint Task Force that will be part of the military alliance.

Also, the majority of our contribution to the Joint Operations (which I assume is just a jointly operated military force) will be Naval, due to the nature of our army.

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Postby Earth X Apps » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:48 pm

Okay, let us talk about the Newswire.

If you're posting an article, it should be, like all posts, longer than three or for sentences. Also, WIPs should NEVER be put in an IC thread because, by definition, they're not done. And the images above your articles should, most preferably, be smaller than the actual articles otherwise it looks like GIANTPIC and little article, thus making a very very small article look relatively puny.

Simply go to any news organization's website and look at the articles there and if yours doesn't at least come relatively close to it, try again until it's done. It's beyond a who, what, when, where, why, and how. At least expand upon things and give more details.
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Postby Chrinthania » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:53 pm

I'd like to also add that the creation of international organizations aren't usually done unilaterally by one nation with the hopes that others will join. Usually there's some sort of issue that concerned a group of nations and they gather together to discuss it. Sometimes that turns into bigger things like the League of Nations and the UN, NATO, WTO, G7, etc....
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Postby Big Carencia » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:57 pm

Earth X Apps wrote:Okay, let us talk about the Newswire.

If you're posting an article, it should be, like all posts, longer than three or for sentences. Also, WIPs should NEVER be put in an IC thread because, by definition, they're not done. And the images above your articles should, most preferably, be smaller than the actual articles otherwise it looks like GIANTPIC and little article, thus making a very very small article look relatively puny.

Simply go to any news organization's website and look at the articles there and if yours doesn't at least come relatively close to it, try again until it's done. It's beyond a who, what, when, where, why, and how. At least expand upon things and give more details.

I understand what you mean. You remembers the message I couldn't delete. That news was to replace the ooc I put in. I'll extend it in due course.
RP in which I participate:
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=486045 Playing as the Australian Federation
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=485294 Playing as the Kingdom of Big Carencia
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=486822 Playing as Aprohis , God of Deception and Snakes
Everything I say here does not represent my actual views.
``Do what I do and don't get involved in politic´´ -Francisco Franco
what I believe (although nobody understands it because it is in Spanish)

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Postby Chrinthania » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:47 pm

Oh yeah, so we're aware, Chrinthania as adopted the Star Spangled Banner as it's anthem... so, it's spoken for, people of North American and beyond :P
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Postby Big Carencia » Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:51 am

A question for oceanor
I have seen that you are going to create a discussion thread for the GTO. You said world leaders will go. Although we are enemies in the RP, we should still have the right to attend and express our opinion. (clearly we will give it as pirates that we are) What's more, I think we should attend because this organization would directly affect us. (Although it is clear that our vote will be negative anyway. If it is not taken into account it is understood). The question is. Can we go to the conference?
RP in which I participate:
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=486045 Playing as the Australian Federation
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=485294 Playing as the Kingdom of Big Carencia
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=486822 Playing as Aprohis , God of Deception and Snakes
Everything I say here does not represent my actual views.
``Do what I do and don't get involved in politic´´ -Francisco Franco
what I believe (although nobody understands it because it is in Spanish)

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Postby Oceanor » Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:20 am

Big Carencia wrote:A question for oceanor
I have seen that you are going to create a discussion thread for the GTO. You said world leaders will go. Although we are enemies in the RP, we should still have the right to attend and express our opinion. (clearly we will give it as pirates that we are) What's more, I think we should attend because this organization would directly affect us. (Although it is clear that our vote will be negative anyway. If it is not taken into account it is understood). The question is. Can we go to the conference?


Yep. Even though you are detrimental to the GTO, your leaders would probably still go because it affects them. So yes, your leaders would come to the conference.

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Postby Moialia » Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:29 am

Shortest post over here
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Postby Chrinthania » Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:03 am

The creation of a United Nations alike, a World Trade Organization alike, and other international organizations are being discussed right now between the founders. When we organize this into something more concrete, we'll be happy to make a formal announcement. Certainly we do not wish to step on Oceanor's toes because he's actually having great ideas, but owing to the fact that it is nearly inevitable that people in time will leave to do other things, we want basic organizations like these to, at least nominally, be founded by the Application's Puppet. Even the appearance that it is controlled by a member directly, versus the group as a singular entity, is something we wish to avoid.

To this end, we're currently working on a UN-alike, which we are tentatively referring to as the 'World Congress' until/unless we can think of a better name. We cannot actually use the title 'United Nations' and there's a really, really good reason for that (we older players remember that day).

Whether or not our UN-alike works out to be similar in its aims and abilities as the real-life thing is entirely up to the people within it. What I can say is that at the very least, Chrinthania will have been a member of such an organization from the start, much like Rome would've been. Outside of that, once we finally hammer out the basic framework, we'll get it up and running for all to use.

In the meantime, if you want to have your own trade pacts, your own defense pacts, your own international conferences with other nations... we'll never ever want you to stop that. Those are good to have and can make for some very fun and wonderful RP.

A key note to take down and keep in your mind is 'Sovereignty.' Even if an important body of water (Suez Canal) is vital to the world, only Rome has the final say on how it operates, what it charges, how it works, who can use it, etc... and it wouldn't matter what anyone else says. Same with the Panama Canal or any other internal body of water.
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Postby Astoria » Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:36 pm

Chrinthania wrote:Oh yeah, so we're aware, Chrinthania as adopted the Star Spangled Banner as it's anthem... so, it's spoken for, people of North American and beyond :P

Dibs on "Stars and Stripes Forever" for Astoria's anthem
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My Wikipedia Page

Postby Oceanor » Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:29 am

If anyone needs information about Oceanor, this Wikipedia style page will be the official source. Please keep in mind that it is still a work in progress, so take all of the information with a grain of salt.

The Confederacy of Oceanor

Also, I've made a preliminary map of the Confederates of Oceanor. Keep in mind that this is in no way official, and if you want something changed then just tell me. I assume that you can figure out the ethnic origins of the Confederate based on the language. Each Roman region has a colony (Spain, Italy, General Rome) and Portugal may come in the future. I have a French and German Confederate, as well as one from Kulundu, Nacrad, and Grand Indochina (Pink is Grand Indochina, Black is Nacrad).

Map of the Confederates

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Postby Earth X Apps » Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:44 pm

Oceanor wrote:If anyone needs information about Oceanor, this Wikipedia style page will be the official source. Please keep in mind that it is still a work in progress, so take all of the information with a grain of salt.

The Confederacy of Oceanor

Also, I've made a preliminary map of the Confederates of Oceanor. Keep in mind that this is in no way official, and if you want something changed then just tell me. I assume that you can figure out the ethnic origins of the Confederate based on the language. Each Roman region has a colony (Spain, Italy, General Rome) and Portugal may come in the future. I have a French and German Confederate, as well as one from Kulundu, Nacrad, and Grand Indochina (Pink is Grand Indochina, Black is Nacrad).

Map of the Confederates

Kulandu, not Kulundu. :D
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Postby Oceanor » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:13 pm

Earth X Apps wrote:
Oceanor wrote:If anyone needs information about Oceanor, this Wikipedia style page will be the official source. Please keep in mind that it is still a work in progress, so take all of the information with a grain of salt.

The Confederacy of Oceanor

Also, I've made a preliminary map of the Confederates of Oceanor. Keep in mind that this is in no way official, and if you want something changed then just tell me. I assume that you can figure out the ethnic origins of the Confederate based on the language. Each Roman region has a colony (Spain, Italy, General Rome) and Portugal may come in the future. I have a French and German Confederate, as well as one from Kulundu, Nacrad, and Grand Indochina (Pink is Grand Indochina, Black is Nacrad).

Map of the Confederates

Kulandu, not Kulundu. :D

I'll make sure to change that in the next map!
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Postby Big Carencia » Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:16 am

by the way I think the link you put for the discord was temporary. So I can't go into discord
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viewtopic.php?f=5&t=485294 Playing as the Kingdom of Big Carencia
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=486822 Playing as Aprohis , God of Deception and Snakes
Everything I say here does not represent my actual views.
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Postby Big Carencia » Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:16 am

For some strange reason This has sent 2 messages, (I still can't delete messages. Seriously I don't know what the hell is going on)
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RP in which I participate:
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=486045 Playing as the Australian Federation
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=485294 Playing as the Kingdom of Big Carencia
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=486822 Playing as Aprohis , God of Deception and Snakes
Everything I say here does not represent my actual views.
``Do what I do and don't get involved in politic´´ -Francisco Franco
what I believe (although nobody understands it because it is in Spanish)

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Postby Earth X Apps » Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:51 am

Big Carencia wrote:For some strange reason This has sent 2 messages, (I still can't delete messages. Seriously I don't know what the hell is going on)

Here you go, buddy: https://discord.gg/K7uH2MV
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