Earth X Discussion Thread [OOC Discussion | EX]

[HypErcApitAl]

Would Big Carencia mind allying with Interasia?

[Big Carencia]

Would Big Carencia mind allying with Interasia?

your offer sounds very tempting. Besides, nobody wants to trade with us due to the piracy financed by the state. So some trade would be good (piracy is regulated. More than pirates they are privateers of the state. That is, they obey our orders so if you want to trade there is no danger of being attacked)

[HypErcApitAl]

Would Big Carencia mind allying with Interasia?

your offer sounds very tempting. Besides, nobody wants to trade with us due to the piracy financed by the state. So some trade would be good (piracy is regulated. More than pirates they are privateers of the state. That is, they obey our orders so if you want to trade there is no danger of being attacked)

alright.

[Oceanor]

The Confederates Need Names!

Hey everyone! As you've probably noticed by now, my nation is split up into semi-autonomous "Confederates" that have relative control over their own affairs. I plan for all of them to have been the result of colonizers from Europe, Africa, and Asia. So basically, I need some names.

If you want your nation to have colonized some part of Oceanor, then you can just email me your preferred name, the date it was founded, it's basic history, and the date when your nation first arrived in the new world (and where). As for Rome, I assume that at least three main groups (Italian, Spanish, Portuguese) will have sent colonizers, so feel free to make names for their Confederates as well as the general Roman Confederate (if there is one). I don't know what the Asian colonization history will be, so maybe the Asian nations should discuss that before submitting Confederates.

I'll be deciding the locations of the confederates, and keep in mind that almost all of the confederates where independent states by 1870. Also, keep in mind that nations not on the Pacific or Atlantic Coast will not have sent colonizers. To tell me your confederate, just telegram the information I specified above to me.

- The Confederacy of Oceanor

[Big Carencia]

Or Somalian Pirates. I forgot to mention them, too.

Message for Hypercapital
Relax here, we know how to play with technicalities, soon we will be the same. They can get Gran Carencia out of the sea, but never the freedom of a pirate. You will soon understand that I have 7 plans. There is 1 ridicule that would lead me to a certain war, 5 serious plans and 1 would be the biggest international commotion ever seen. Obviously I'm going to start with serious plans, then the ridiculous and extreme ones that I don't plan on applying yet. Probably those 2 planes I will never try to do

[Big Carencia]

The Confederates Need Names!

Hey everyone! As you've probably noticed by now, my nation is split up into semi-autonomous "Confederates" that have relative control over their own affairs. I plan for all of them to have been the result of colonizers from Europe, Africa, and Asia. So basically, I need some names.

If you want your nation to have colonized some part of Oceanor, then you can just email me your preferred name, the date it was founded, it's basic history, and the date when your nation first arrived in the new world (and where). As for Rome, I assume that at least three main groups (Italian, Spanish, Portuguese) will have sent colonizers, so feel free to make names for their Confederates as well as the general Roman Confederate (if there is one). I don't know what the Asian colonization history will be, so maybe the Asian nations should discuss that before submitting Confederates.

I'll be deciding the locations of the confederates, and keep in mind that almost all of the confederates where independent states by 1870. Also, keep in mind that nations not on the Pacific or Atlantic Coast will not have sent colonizers. To tell me your confederate, just telegram the information I specified above to me.

- The Confederacy of Oceanor

Sorry oceanor on this I can't help you

[HypErcApitAl]

Although further discussion on this should be moved to the discussion thread, I give you:

Exhibit A: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_S%20...%20dent_(1981)
Exhibit B: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_air_%20...%20ear_Tobruk

Nah. I was thinking more along the lines of the Royal Sea being a 'No Mans Land,' acknowledging all of the weird and brutal stuff there, and also the wandering ships that either get seized by the Interasian Navy or killed very brutally.

I don't think Amanda'd claim all Asian water as hers, but since they (Interasia) do alot of dubious things, the water serves as a wall of privacy.

Interasia could also make claims that any ships going in the waters were infringing on NatSov (National Sovereignty, the buzzword of choice) and essentially an Act of War.

I was rping Quebec in a different rp and I remember I was about to send some ships to Greece (since my Quebec does do Gunboat Diplomacy) and the Greeks got frustrated and ordered they be sent back, and also said I was warmongering.

I'm pretty sure that case would/could still apply here (though Gunboat Diplomacy is a "scare 'em straight" sorta thing)

[HypErcApitAl]

Piracy is dank. (and also flexing that we can piss off the Romans, e.e)

[HypErcApitAl]

I think Gaffadi was tryna do a Roman Empire and establish rule over the Mediterranean.

Since there is no China, and wasn't, then I guess I could claim the Mandate of Heaven. (I'm surprised that there's no China player, since irl Korea was a part of both China and Japan before its independence and split. Pre-1869, we were Chinese, though since there's no Chinese player, IC-ly, I'd say that some giant northern country ruled over us, but at the same time, Propaganda.)

Propaganda is one of many cure-alls.

[HypErcApitAl]

I have a question for the Rome player.

What the heck happened to Communism and Karl Marx? Y'all killed him? I'm pretty sure Communism-Socialism, Fascism and many other things would've undermined the Roman Hegemony (tm) although Rome is somewhat Authoritarian.

And if Rome acts like the US in this case, then I find that rather odd. I don't think Rome would care about certain countries (like Interasia)

So what happened to Hitler and Mussolini? Mussolini was Italian (Roman) so what? Was he the Caesar at one time?

[Earth X Apps]

Although further discussion on this should be moved to the discussion thread, I give you:

Exhibit A: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_S%20...%20dent_(1981)
Exhibit B: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_air_%20...%20ear_Tobruk

Nah. I was thinking more along the lines of the Royal Sea being a 'No Mans Land,' acknowledging all of the weird and brutal stuff there, and also the wandering ships that either get seized by the Interasian Navy or killed very brutally.

I don't think Amanda'd claim all Asian water as hers, but since they (Interasia) do alot of dubious things, the water serves as a wall of privacy.

Interasia could also make claims that any ships going in the waters were infringing on NatSov (National Sovereignty, the buzzword of choice) and essentially an Act of War.

I was rping Quebec in a different rp and I remember I was about to send some ships to Greece (since my Quebec does do Gunboat Diplomacy) and the Greeks got frustrated and ordered they be sent back, and also said I was warmongering.

I'm pretty sure that case would/could still apply here (though Gunboat Diplomacy is a "scare 'em straight" sorta thing)

Freedom of Navigation Operations (FONOPS) are a thing RL nations (US in particular) do. Send a carrier group to sail through the international waters or areas where FON should be a thing. If someone challenges, it becomes more complicated. It's be the same as Chrinthania claiming no one but Chrinthania can use the Gulf. We can say anything we want, in practice, it'd be difficult to enforce.

[HypErcApitAl]

Nah. I was thinking more along the lines of the Royal Sea being a 'No Mans Land,' acknowledging all of the weird and brutal stuff there, and also the wandering ships that either get seized by the Interasian Navy or killed very brutally.

I don't think Amanda'd claim all Asian water as hers, but since they (Interasia) do alot of dubious things, the water serves as a wall of privacy.

Interasia could also make claims that any ships going in the waters were infringing on NatSov (National Sovereignty, the buzzword of choice) and essentially an Act of War.

I was rping Quebec in a different rp and I remember I was about to send some ships to Greece (since my Quebec does do Gunboat Diplomacy) and the Greeks got frustrated and ordered they be sent back, and also said I was warmongering.

I'm pretty sure that case would/could still apply here (though Gunboat Diplomacy is a "scare 'em straight" sorta thing)

Freedom of Navigation Operations (FONOPS) are a thing RL nations (US in particular) do. Send a carrier group to sail through the international waters or areas where FON should be a thing. If someone challenges, it becomes more complicated. It's be the same as Chrinthania claiming no one but Chrinthania can use the Gulf. We can say anything we want, in practice, it'd be difficult to enforce.

Yeah. I know the UN and US does it.

[HypErcApitAl]

I can't recall a time where any ship(s) went to North Korea, though.

I could also use the East Sentinelese as an example, though. Many helicopters and whatnot go over there, but the tribal people fire bows at them or throw spears. Very recently, a Christian missionary got killed trying to convert the tribals.

[HypErcApitAl]

I find that highly ironic how North Korea is in the UN. (though China and Russia suckup for them, but still)

I just find it nonsensical and silly how an anti-globalist and highly brutalist polity would be in a globalist hyperalliance. (the UN is all about peacekeeping and whatnot but the DPRK just makes war motions and does Slavery and stuff)

[HypErcApitAl]

We don't have a China or a Russia player, so I'd like to see someone suckup for Interasia. Ofc, we'd suck up to Big Carencia (that piracy really is a thorn in Rome's side and their War on Piracy)

This game is seriously lacking in dictatorships. I find dictatorships to be fun, and even funner (I say 'funner's' not a word, but this dictionary https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/are-funner-and-funnest-real-words-usage disagrees w/ me, lmao) to skirt around all the rules and order whilst creating your own.

[Chrinthania]

Dude, try using words everyone knows.... it sounds like you want people to suck up to you, which isn't going to happen here at all. I assume you mean "to lobby for, to plead for, to campaign for" or something along those lines. People aren't just going to 'suckup' for you because you want them to. Give them a reason to. You aren't owed anything nor do you owe anyone anything. Collaboration means people working together, not one person asking for it expecting it to happen. Believe me, that will never work. The UN is nothing if not full of contradictions. The hope is that having NK in the UN will help NK realize they have a voice and can work with nations through diplomacy rather than dictates. Again, no matter what Kim 3.0 wants in NK, demands aren't going to get them.

No one cares if 'funner' is a word.

Ship aren't going to North Korea. They're passing by in areas where they have, by international convention, the right to so do. It's a game of brinkmanship that NK has no hope of winning no matter how many nuke Kim 3.0 wants to have.

About the number of posts you've made... don't reply to your own posts and clog up this thread. That's going to make it nearly impossible to answer you. Make a single post. If you have another question, just edit the post to include the new question if you haven't gotten a reply yet. Quality of a post is more important than quantity of many posts. One good discussion post will get a lot of talk. A bunch of small, stream-of-consciousness posts will make people ignore them.

Yes, NK isn't respecting certain rights about airspace and things like that. That's why his nation is heavily sanctioned. Well, one of the reasons. One of the many reasons.

There is no 'No Man's Land' on the seas. If we want to send a ship there, there it shall go. If it isn't within your 12-nautical mile zone, you shouldn't try to attack it. If you do, it brings response. Often times with lots of explosions.

It doesn't matter if there is or isn't a China. Your leader can claim whatever titles she wants to claim. Doesn't mean others have to use them or agree with them.

Be careful 'flexing' to piss of anyone. If that's your only goal here, the door swings both ways.

An act of war to sail in international waters? You need to learn how international diplomacy works. Just because you have a military doesn't mean you should use it stupidly like that. It's a sure-fire way to get your military killed.

Gunboat diplomacy is one thing, warmongering is another. You're itchin' to have someone sail past you so you can declare war. Also, when the US sent gunboats to Japan, Japan had no way to fight back at that time. That was gunboat diplomacy. Our ships were bigger, therefore we got what we wanted. Try sailing up to Hawaii or California, you'll get a much, much difference response. Still, that's an actual type of warmongering.

Calm down, chill out.... going all "I'm here, let me fuck with shit" is not a good way to endear yourself to the other members.

[HypErcApitAl]

Dude, try using words everyone knows.... it sounds like you want people to suck up to you, which isn't going to happen here at all. I assume you mean "to lobby for, to plead for, to campaign for" or something along those lines. People aren't just going to 'suckup' for you because you want them to. Give them a reason to. You aren't owed anything nor do you owe anyone anything. Collaboration means people working together, not one person asking for it expecting it to happen. Believe me, that will never work. The UN is nothing if not full of contradictions. The hope is that having NK in the UN will help NK realize they have a voice and can work with nations through diplomacy rather than dictates. Again, no matter what Kim 3.0 wants in NK, demands aren't going to get them.

No one cares if 'funner' is a word.

Ship aren't going to North Korea. They're passing by in areas where they have, by international convention, the right to so do. It's a game of brinkmanship that NK has no hope of winning no matter how many nuke Kim 3.0 wants to have.

About the number of posts you've made... don't reply to your own posts and clog up this thread. That's going to make it nearly impossible to answer you. Make a single post. If you have another question, just edit the post to include the new question if you haven't gotten a reply yet. Quality of a post is more important than quantity of many posts. One good discussion post will get a lot of talk. A bunch of small, stream-of-consciousness posts will make people ignore them.

Yes, NK isn't respecting certain rights about airspace and things like that. That's why his nation is heavily sanctioned. Well, one of the reasons. One of the many reasons.

There is no 'No Man's Land' on the seas. If we want to send a ship there, there it shall go. If it isn't within your 12-nautical mile zone, you shouldn't try to attack it. If you do, it brings response. Often times with lots of explosions.

It doesn't matter if there is or isn't a China. Your leader can claim whatever titles she wants to claim. Doesn't mean others have to use them or agree with them.

Be careful 'flexing' to piss of anyone. If that's your only goal here, the door swings both ways.

An act of war to sail in international waters? You need to learn how international diplomacy works. Just because you have a military doesn't mean you should use it stupidly like that. It's a sure-fire way to get your military killed.

Gunboat diplomacy is one thing, warmongering is another. You're itchin' to have someone sail past you so you can declare war. Also, when the US sent gunboats to Japan, Japan had no way to fight back at that time. That was gunboat diplomacy. Our ships were bigger, therefore we got what we wanted. Try sailing up to Hawaii or California, you'll get a much, much difference response. Still, that's an actual type of warmongering.

Calm down, chill out.... going all "I'm here, let me fuck with shit" is not a good way to endear yourself to the other members.

This comment makes you sound angry. I didn't say 'suck up to me," I'm saying the Russian and Chinese gov't sucked up to the North Koreans instead of exposing their nonsense. On so many different levels, if the Russians and Chinese didn't support the DPRK, then we wouldn't have that situation.

"you aren't owed to; nor do you owe anyone anything" I never said I was owed anything.


Yes, it does matter if there's a China or not because the Chinese civilization is very important to World History. If there wasn't a China, then that'd be a domino/snowball/butterfly effect for the rest of the world. The Chinese Bear/Dragon/whatever has a tremendous effect, not just on its neighbors but even polities far, far away.

"your leader can claim whatever title(s) she wants to claim; doesn't mean others have to use them or have to agree w/ them"

Again, this comes off as very salty. The Mandate of Heaven is very important, not just for China but for many other religious and theocratic states. Interasia is neither religious or theocratic, but I would use that symbolism.

Interasia is based off of North Korea, somewhat. The DPRK dynamics are very important, if there's no China or Russia, then this changes everything. There's a bunch of anarchy in China, which is very lawless.

I am calmed and chilled, just very opportunistic. If there's an open door, imma use it. That's how you're supposed to write, or roleplay. You use Chekov's Gun. (I know I might've spelt his name wrong, it doesn't matter)

I am a grammar Nazi, so the usage of 'Funner' does matter, if not for me, then for other people. You can't say "well, you shouldn't have included that" or "well, you should use different terms," cause that's Orwellian.

I don't know anyone that likes posting big walls-of-text or essays every time they want to say something. Stop trying to limit others' thought processes. I could've thought about Somalia and other situations at different times.

[Chrinthania]

Dude, try using words everyone knows.... it sounds like you want people to suck up to you, which isn't going to happen here at all. I assume you mean "to lobby for, to plead for, to campaign for" or something along those lines. People aren't just going to 'suckup' for you because you want them to. Give them a reason to. You aren't owed anything nor do you owe anyone anything. Collaboration means people working together, not one person asking for it expecting it to happen. Believe me, that will never work. The UN is nothing if not full of contradictions. The hope is that having NK in the UN will help NK realize they have a voice and can work with nations through diplomacy rather than dictates. Again, no matter what Kim 3.0 wants in NK, demands aren't going to get them.

No one cares if 'funner' is a word.

Ship aren't going to North Korea. They're passing by in areas where they have, by international convention, the right to so do. It's a game of brinkmanship that NK has no hope of winning no matter how many nuke Kim 3.0 wants to have.

About the number of posts you've made... don't reply to your own posts and clog up this thread. That's going to make it nearly impossible to answer you. Make a single post. If you have another question, just edit the post to include the new question if you haven't gotten a reply yet. Quality of a post is more important than quantity of many posts. One good discussion post will get a lot of talk. A bunch of small, stream-of-consciousness posts will make people ignore them.

Yes, NK isn't respecting certain rights about airspace and things like that. That's why his nation is heavily sanctioned. Well, one of the reasons. One of the many reasons.

There is no 'No Man's Land' on the seas. If we want to send a ship there, there it shall go. If it isn't within your 12-nautical mile zone, you shouldn't try to attack it. If you do, it brings response. Often times with lots of explosions.

It doesn't matter if there is or isn't a China. Your leader can claim whatever titles she wants to claim. Doesn't mean others have to use them or agree with them.

Be careful 'flexing' to piss of anyone. If that's your only goal here, the door swings both ways.

An act of war to sail in international waters? You need to learn how international diplomacy works. Just because you have a military doesn't mean you should use it stupidly like that. It's a sure-fire way to get your military killed.

Gunboat diplomacy is one thing, warmongering is another. You're itchin' to have someone sail past you so you can declare war. Also, when the US sent gunboats to Japan, Japan had no way to fight back at that time. That was gunboat diplomacy. Our ships were bigger, therefore we got what we wanted. Try sailing up to Hawaii or California, you'll get a much, much difference response. Still, that's an actual type of warmongering.

Calm down, chill out.... going all "I'm here, let me fuck with shit" is not a good way to endear yourself to the other members.

This comment makes you sound angry. I didn't say 'suck up to me," I'm saying the Russian and Chinese gov't sucked up to the North Koreans instead of exposing their nonsense. On so many different levels, if the Russians and Chinese didn't support the DPRK, then we wouldn't have that situation.

"you aren't owed to; nor do you owe anyone anything" I never said I was owed anything.


Yes, it does matter if there's a China or not because the Chinese civilization is very important to World History. If there wasn't a China, then that'd be a domino/snowball/butterfly effect for the rest of the world. The Chinese Bear/Dragon/whatever has a tremendous effect, not just on its neighbors but even polities far, far away.

"your leader can claim whatever title(s) she wants to claim; doesn't mean others have to use them or have to agree w/ them"

Again, this comes off as very salty. The Mandate of Heaven is very important, not just for China but for many other religious and theocratic states. Interasia is neither religious or theocratic, but I would use that symbolism.

Interasia is based off of North Korea, somewhat. The DPRK dynamics are very important, if there's no China or Russia, then this changes everything. There's a bunch of anarchy in China, which is very lawless.

I am calmed and chilled, just very opportunistic. If there's an open door, imma use it. That's how you're supposed to write, or roleplay. You use Chekov's Gun. (I know I might've spelt his name wrong, it doesn't matter)

I am a grammar Nazi, so the usage of 'Funner' does matter, if not for me, then for other people. You can't say "well, you shouldn't have included that" or "well, you should use different terms," cause that's Orwellian.

Hi, I'm the guy who started this group. I'm the one who posts under the Application's Puppet. I'm the one who asked Kulandu and Roma to help with this group so that we could create something together. If you don't like what I have to say, then go somewhere else. Since the moment you got here... yesterday... you've been trying to start antagonizing the entire setup here and that will not be taken lightly. We do it our way, not your way. This is our thread and, as the OP via the App Puppet, it's my thread by NS rules. If I ask you not to post a bazillion posts, then don't. If you don't like that, leave. In fact, let me spell it out for you... I told you before you posted your amended application that you may not be the kind of person we are looking for. You have proven that statement correct.

Your nation's claim is vacated. Please do not post in any of our threads from this point forward. Thank you and good day, sir.