Anarchy in Rome, A Sack Amidst Plague [MT-PMT, CLOSED, OOC]

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

To be honest the treaty is an excuse to be offended on an international level. My other alternative to driving a fleet into the Med is to proscribe any and all vessels flying a Papal or Spanish flag going through the North Sea-English Channel-Brest route or GIUK and to torpedo them all in response to what the Spaniards are up to.

[McNernia]

Well im off the Northern Spanish coast near to the Bay of Biscay. Im just wondering what the sitituation is like world wide.

America

Africa

Eastern Asia

[Il Borgia Vaticano]

Well im off the Northern Spanish coast near to the Bay of Biscay. Im just wondering what the sitituation is like world wide.

America

Africa

Eastern Asia

Idk, honestly. America wise, the only real contact we have is my other puppet I barely ever use Mexico Bonapartista

Africa has our largely neglected African colony in Guinea.

East Asia is the dominion of Fuso I'd assume.

[Il Borgia Vaticano]

To be honest the treaty is an excuse to be offended on an international level. My other alternative to driving a fleet into the Med is to proscribe any and all vessels flying a Papal or Spanish flag going through the North Sea-English Channel-Brest route or GIUK and to torpedo them all in response to what the Spaniards are up to.

That could work.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

What's the status on the the 1373/1386 treaties between Portugal and Britain?
Edit: I think at least three dozen hundred thousand tons of crude going aloof is gonna beat out Exxon Valdez... by a fair margin. <.>

[TURTLESHROOM II]

I'm starting to lose track of all the characters. Names are not my specialty and I am dealing with the death of my pet turtle, the collapse of any of my good behaviors in quarantine, and a major ear infection.

Just as a run-down, I need to recap what went down thus far:

• No one ever responded to my story about Dogaressa Mei Lee Icfella-Borgia. OP, would you mind if she meets the man that is proclaiming himself Pope by a theophony of the Christ Child?
• Virginio, the father-in-law of Mary Icfella-Borgia, is apparently about to face the Coalition of Milan and may not survive the ordeal. TurtleShroom will direct its Condottieries to defend him.
• The Warrior Nuns detonated car bombs in Rome for.... some reason. No one knows that it was the Warrior Nuns. My guess is that they are covering their tracks because of the Milanese about to uncover their actions.
• A character I am unfamiliar with has declared himself Pope By Acclamation on the grounds of the Jesus giving an image of the Virgin Mary herself backing him. (Pro-tip: choose a dark regnal name. Obviously, Peter II is going too far, but something creepy like that.)
• Allanea is about to start a slave rebellion in the African enclave of the Papacy.
• I need to start my sub-plot concerning Amalfi.

[Il Borgia Vaticano]

I'm starting to lose track of all the characters. Names are not my specialty and I am dealing with the death of my pet turtle, the collapse of any of my good behaviors in quarantine, and a major ear infection.

Just as a run-down, I need to recap what went down thus far:

• No one ever responded to my story about Dogaressa Mei Lee Icfella-Borgia. OP, would you mind if she meets the man that is proclaiming himself Pope by a theophony of the Christ Child?
• Virginio, the father-in-law of Mary Icfella-Borgia, is apparently about to face the Coalition of Milan and may not survive the ordeal. TurtleShroom will direct its Condottieries to defend him.
• The Warrior Nuns detonated car bombs in Rome for.... some reason. No one knows that it was the Warrior Nuns. My guess is that they are covering their tracks because of the Milanese about to uncover their actions.
• A character I am unfamiliar with has declared himself Pope By Acclamation on the grounds of the Jesus giving an image of the Virgin Mary herself backing him. (Pro-tip: choose a dark regnal name. Obviously, Peter II is going too far, but something creepy like that.)
• Allanea is about to start a slave rebellion in the African enclave of the Papacy.
• I need to start my sub-plot concerning Amalfi.

An *UPDATED* dramatis personae:

Sixtus VI, Pope, dead, murdered by Orsini.

Paolo Borgia, Sacred Band survivor. Now Territorial Abbot of Subiaco and working with the Coalition of the Caveja

Cardinal Pierre d'Euse-Borgia, Head of Inquisition, Leading efforts against the terrorists/antislavers (he doesn't know they're antislavers yet)

Cardinal Montalvo-Borgia, acting head of ADB news. Working with the Coalition, Gathering Cardinals (as well as Bishops) and sending them to Viterbo...for reasons to be revealed.

Virgnio Orsini-Borgia, Prince of Knights Hospitaller, Sacked Rome and Defending It. Wants to hold legal conclave. More than likely doomed. Murdered Sixtus VI

Emilina Corella, Mother Superior of Sisters of Saint Michael Garroted Sixtus VI, defected from Orsini and is now coordinating anti-terrorist operations. Spearheaded the false-flag attack on Rome.

Ippolito de Medici-Borgia, Duke of Tuscany Controls the Vatican bank, now under the influence of Leonello d'Este.

King Viracocha de Borja of Spain Has sealed off the kingdom, taken a secondary Moroccan wife in the Inca polygamous tradition (his mother was full blooded Inca from a former pupper of mine), and ordered a blockade of the Mediterranean

Alfonso de Borja, Duke of Naples Intends to move north and choose a pope of his own. Restore order above all. Thrown back to Montecassino

Cardinal Jose de Borja, Ex-Duke of Zaragoza. Alfonso of Naples' chosen pope, under the name Calixtus V. He was stripped of his titles for willingly involving himself in the Italian war.


Duke Gian Galeazzo II of Milan Provided an army to Leonello, seeks to install puppet pope...Now under his influence and not the other way around, being moved by the Marian Apparition.

Leonello d'Este-Borgia, Count of Modena and Reggio Intends to seize Papal Throne by force, and rule as Pope. Occupying Rome, had the Marian vision and his lament. A transgender man, if that wasn't obvious by now.

Vincenzo Maria Orsini, Virginio's eldest son, not exactly competent and married to Mei-Lee Icfella...by accident I combined their characters. He was killed by Paolo Borgia in single combat.

Jean de Borgia, Duke of Valentinois and Count of Avignon Acting Consul of The Commune of Rome, Rome's self-created government while there is no pope. He was chosen because he has no hat in the ring. He's a recluse and hypochondriac. He is also secretly in contact with Montalvo and sending Cardinals as well as Bishops to Viterbo.

Prince Eugene of Borgia-Chimay Governor-General of the Papal Low Countries, he's the one responsible for mining the cost to protect Dutch shipping from terrorist sinkings.

Bartolomeo Colleoni and Francesco Riario as well as Lord Malatesta These are the commanders and Romagnol lords of the Coalition of the Caveja. Colleoni is the leading general. Riario is the one who found Paolo and united the Romagna into a coalition.

As for the terrorist attacks, they were a false flag operation to draw out those involved in other attacks on Italy. The embassies of France, Archinia, Britiannia, and Mexico were hit as well as multiple hospitals.

Corella's logic is that those who don't make a huge hub-hub about their embassies being bombed by these 'same' terrorists are clearly in league with them.

The Coalition is from the Romagna and not involved with Milan. They have no other goal except to bring down Orsini for sacking Rome and murdering the Pope Sixtus VI.

Mei-Lee is still alive, but due to my own misreading of your posts...I combine her AND Mary's story. However, you might want to use her as your agent for meeting Leonello instead. You also might want to have her meet with Montalvo or Jean de Borgia.

[Allanea]

Clarification:

1. Does the Inquisition have a distinct uniform of any kind?
2. What kind of industries are the slaves in Guinea involved in? In whatg conditions do they live?
3. Is the city known IRL as Libreville also named Libreville in your continuity? It would seem a strange name in a continuity whjere slavery persists.

[Il Borgia Vaticano]

Clarification:

1. Does the Inquisition have a distinct uniform of any kind?

It does not. The Inquisition is run by the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition (known IRL as the Congregation of the Doctrine of The Faith), and its inquisitors are recruited from all across the church. They are present in nearly every level of soceity, government, church to keep eyes on potential heresies or treasons. That being said, the Dominican Order is still *heavily* involved with the Inquisition, and its from this order a large majority of our recruits are pulled. The Domincan is the closest thing to a 'uniform' but its hardly universal.

2. What kind of industries are the slaves in Guinea involved in? In whatg conditions do they live?

I had to d some research on Equatorial Guinea to make a concrete statement... It's largely resource extraction. The infamous encomienda system has resurfaced under the former reign of the ultra-reactionary Carlos V. Either plantations or the massive amount of Oil around Fernando Po.

Conditions for slaves are varied, like slaves everywhere in history. Servants are treated fine, but for those living on the haciendas of encomienderos (especially the oil rigs) life is hard and brutal. These slaves are actually allowed a pittance of a wage.

There is also a notable presence of arms manufacturing and aerospace manufacturing due to Medici investment in the region. The Obrajes of New Spain have also returned in this way. These are built off prison labor of 'criminals', and their lives are short. Very short. Most are worked to death, and replaced by cheaply bought 'criminals', some even imported from the Spanish homeland.

This nation is, as I said before, basically a Pre-Modern state (1400s-1800s) politically with modern technology. Thus to represent Spanish slavery, which one could label as among the cruelest in history (seriously, they make the Confederacy look humane by comparison sometimes), so while I don't wanna be construed as some weird-ass slaveaboo or something, I don't wanna make it whitewashed either. Food for thought for those popping in.

"The People of Spain are made of blood and fire. They are greedy and generous, foolish and brilliant. They have God in their hearts and the devil in their thoughts."~Aztec Blood

3. Is the city known IRL as Libreville also named Libreville in your continuity? It would seem a strange name in a continuity whjere slavery persists.

It is probably still called Libreville since we do not own Gabon. We have control over Equatorial Guinea and Sao Tome-Principe. Former Spanish and Portuguese possessions.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

I want TurtleShroom to step deeper into the story by making its move on Amalfi and, hopefuly, plundering the Vatican Bank. TS also wants to get in on ending the slave trade in the Borgian See. TS would prefer a transition to serfdom and corporate neofeudalism (full manumission is not in the cards even with Allanea's power), but they would settle for allowing slavery to continue if all slave trading is ceased.

What part of Mei Lee and Mary's story did you combine, anyway? I can help you untangle it.

Also- and this is important -a woman becoming Popess is bad enough. A woman LARP-ing as a man is going to get even worse. A woman with Gender Identity Disorder, passing as a man, having the audacity to claim that she is not only worthy of the Papacy, but that she adheres to the rules of Timothy, will resort in a direct declaration of war on the entire Borgian See. TS was putting works in motion to kill the last female "Popess". They won't plot in the shadows if that ends up happening.

In addition to securing Amalfi and putting a legitimate Pope on the throne, TurtleShroom's deepest and most fanatic motive is to force the Borgias, at gunpoint, to outlaw female bishops, Cardinals, Popes, and every other administrative office and take an orthodox stance on all sex. Heterosexual sex in wedlock only, with all other sex, fornication, sodomy, and lust being strictly forbidden.

TurtleShroom would, of course, allow the Borgian polygamy and concubinage to remain. For TS Catholics, that is the will of God, after all.


EDIT: I forgot to mention that this would require the permission of OP, of course! I continue my recommendation that the Borgian See adhere to, you know, actual Christian doctrine on homosexuality and female clergy...

[Il Borgia Vaticano]

I want TurtleShroom to step deeper into the story by making its move on Amalfi and, hopefuly, plundering the Vatican Bank. TS also wants to get in on ending the slave trade in the Borgian See. TS would prefer a transition to serfdom and corporate neofeudalism (full manumission is not in the cards even with Allanea's power), but they would settle for allowing slavery to continue if all slave trading is ceased.

What part of Mei Lee and Mary's story did you combine, anyway? I can help you untangle it.

Pretty much all of it. The backstory, the marriage etc. etc. I forgot Mary even existed. That's why I said it'd just be easier to give her a different one and sending her off to meet with Leonello and Montalvo.

Also- and this is important -a woman becoming Popess is bad enough. A woman LARP-ing as a man is going to get even worse. A woman with Gender Identity Disorder, passing as a man, having the audacity to claim that she is not only worthy of the Papacy, but that she adheres to the rules of Timothy, will resort in a direct declaration of war on the entire Borgian See. TS was putting works in motion to kill the last female "Popess". They won't plot in the shadows if that ends up happening.

There's a 1/3 chance this occurs, so prepare. I legit don't have a 'canon' ending in mind, yet, but Pope Soter II is always a possibility. There's also Naples' puppet, Calixtus V...and I've been hyping up the young Paolo....We'll find out.

We've already had two Papissas, the first of which was murder and is now canonized as a Saint. Dionysia III. We've had two openly homosexual popes, Leo XIV and Helius I. The former Pope Victor IV was almost certainly asexual and also of African descent. Our papacy is cloth of many colors. It will always, and I mean *always*, be open to anyone to sit the papal throne so long as they are one of two things:

1. Borgia

2. Catholic

That ranking of precedence is fully intentional.

Oh, and yeah, if the Papal Inquisition ever does find out IC that y'all plotted to murder a sitting pontiff, female or not, Turtleshroom will find itself under interdict. Jason would need to be questioned specifically by the inquisitors. Honestly that'd be an interesting plot point tbh.

In addition to securing Amalfi and putting a legitimate Pope on the throne, TurtleShroom's deepest and most fanatic motive is to force the Borgias, at gunpoint, to outlaw female bishops, Cardinals, Popes, and every other administrative office and take an orthodox stance on all sex. Heterosexual sex in wedlock only, with all other sex, fornication, sodomy, and lust being strictly forbidden.

TurtleShroom would, of course, allow the Borgian polygamy and concubinage to remain. For TS Catholics, that is the will of God, after all.


EDIT: I forgot to mention that this would require the permission of OP, of course! I continue my recommendation that the Borgian See adhere to, you know, actual Christian doctrine on homosexuality and female clergy...

Haha, your best bet with that was Sixtus VI (ironically his mother was Papissa Clementia XV. They hated each other.), but he's currently rotting somewhere in Rome. Other than him, it'd be d'Euse, who has no interest in the papal throne. The rest of the family aren't nearly as insane. Not to mention you'd be inevtiable trying to disarm the Sisters of Saint Michael AND The Sacred Band (few remain, but still)...both are religious orders.

That being said, you may at the very least get to air your grievances theologically and politically. I have a potential 'endgame' to the RP in mind, for whenever we get to that point, but I don't know exactly how its gonna work yet. I'll only tease it at the moment.

All roads lead to Viterbo....

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[New Hyannis]

This is good reading. I'd get involved, but I don't want to rock the apple cart.

Still, keep up the good work.

[Il Borgia Vaticano]

Just for the heck of it, I made a flag for the The Sacred and Most Holy Brotherhood of The Passion of Saints Serigus and Bacchus, The Papal Bodyguard now mostly annihilated in this RP.

The heraldic shield is pretty much just a heraldized version of an orthodox icon to Sergius and Bacchus I found, whilst the little shield below bears the order's secondary insignia, the lambda of Gay Liberation.

It probably still flies over the Santi Sergio e Bacco in Piazza Madonna dei Monti in Rome.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

Pretty much all of it. The backstory, the marriage etc. etc. I forgot Mary even existed. That's why I said it'd just be easier to give her a different one and sending her off to meet with Leonello and Montalvo.

Everything you need to know about Mary and how Mei Lee got in her mess is right here. For a specific focus on Mei Lee and her current whereabouts, look here.

Mary Icfella-Borgia is Cardinal-Primate Jason Icfella's fraternal twin sister. She looks pretty much exactly like him, but a girl. Mary is married to Virginio's firstborn son and is loyal to both him and her father-in-law. She is either pregnant or has borne a grandchild for Virginio, depending on yoru choices. She has been her husband's confidante and a follower of Virginio from day one. Loyal to her new family, she trusts Virginio is doing the will of God.

Mei Lee Icfella-Borgia is the adopted sister of Cardinal-Primae Jason Icfella. She is Asian, of Tsao descent (paler, yellowish-white skin, like some Han Chinamen or Koreans).
She is the Dogaressa of Amalfi and was extremely popular in the republic. After her husband, the Doge of Amalfi, beat her black and blue, she took her shotgun and sent him straight to Hell.
The most common theory was plain old-fashioned racial hate: that he got an Oriental woman for a bride when he wanted a local Italian beauty. Maybe he had his sights on someone?

Anyway, Mei Lee bore the Doge a single son before he was shot dead. The child is extremely young and is still in Amalfi, presumed to be hiding in a monastary or safe house. She is likely in the very, very early stage of pregnancy with another.

Mei Lee gathered evidence and proof her being beaten and gave it to the Borgian police. They were not going to charge her. While the people of Amalfi sided with her, the Doge had a lot of powerful and dishonest friends that want to kill her. The other Merchant Republic families were mixed in their opinions. She took some of the regalia of the Doge and set off.

Where the story leaves off, she is a short ways outside of Rome hiding in the Great Pontine Marsh. Someone just encountered her, but who that person is will be up to whosoever elects to reply.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

We've already had two Papissas, the first of which was murder and is now canonized as a Saint.

Concerning women, TurtleShroom declares Sede Vacante when an illegitimate Pontiff occupies the throne. All authority, Papal Bulls, etc. etc. etc., coming from a female Popess are illegitimate and unrecognized by TurtleShroom. They did this during the last female Pope.

Saint Dionysia III.

You will be pleased to know that- BIG SHOCKER -TurtleShroom does not expect saints to be perfect human beings. TurtleShroom rejects Saint Dionysia's papacy, not her sainthood.

Peter denied the Christ and is still one of the Church's greatest men ever, because he made good and sought after God's Own Heart. King David is another obvious example, and so on and so forth. A fake Pope can still be a real Christian and the fact that she perished in holy martyrhood is something all TurtleShroomers can rally around.

We've had two openly homosexual popes, Leo XIV and Helius I. The former Pope Victor IV was almost certainly asexual and also of African descent.

In Christianity, being attracted to the same sex is not a sin. It is acting on that sex- the deeds of sodomy, the lusts of the lifestyle -that are the sin. If the Pope remains celibate (or in the Borgia's case, if he only has sex with his concubines in marriage), his orientation doesn't matter because he is not sinning.

An "asexual" man is celibate. That's the ideal Pope. Also, why would TurtleShroom have a problem with a black Pope if he is Christian, Borgian, and a man?

It will always, and I mean *always*, be open to anyone to sit the papal throne so long as they are one of two things:

1. Borgia

2. Catholic

That ranking of precedence is fully intentional.

In RL, a common mantra Satan uses against my (heretical) Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ is "the only good Catholic is a bad Catholic".

That is where the fun part.

A Catholic Christian isn't an ideology or banner you can just say you are and accept it. The Catholic Church has beliefs, doctrines, and viewpoints on the Bible, on Church law, and so on. To be Catholic means to actually believe that the Catholic Church knows what it is doing. It means that God, not you, defines what is sin, and that the Holy Spirit reveals truths to the Catholic Church.

The TS Rite believes completely in Sola Scriptura, making it a black sheep among Catholicism. They believe, for example, that the existence of the Papacy is one hundred percent Biblical, and they same the same, for instance, about Transubstantiation. They cite only the Bible as authoritative canon and have a canon of sixty-six books. The extra Septugiant scriptures are not considered heresy or apocrypha, subject to the absolute infallibility of the Bible. Think of it like how Protestants consider the Council of Nicene to be canon, but not equal to Scripture.

That isn't to say that the TS Rite throws out Catholic identity, traditions, canon law, or anything like that. Anything that does not specifically contradict the Bible is acceptable bnecause TurtleShroomian Catholics believe that the shepherd controls and directs the flock, not themselves.

IIRC, papal infallibility states that the Pope, when he is preaching and acting in his capacity as shepherd, is going to preach what the Holy Spirit leads him to do and, accordingly, he will be adhering to Biblical fact.

This exists to a lesser degree in the Southern Baptist denomination. As a RL Baptist, I am familiar with the "presumption of inspiration" (that's what I call it), in which a pastor's direction, sermons, and shepherding of the church (etc.) are not to be questioned unless it explicitly counters or rebukes the Bible and the teachings of Jesus.

In other words, Southern Baptists follow the direction of their pastor (as long as it doesn't conflict with the Bible) because they trust that 1) the Holy Spirit has led him to serve the church and led the deaconate and Search Committee to accept him, 2) that he knows the Bible and its infallible authority and will follow it, and 3) that he is the shepherd and we are the flock, and we obey as God intends.

The TS Rite does the same, and for that reason, they follow most of the Borgian traditions and commands. Almost all aspects of the Borgian See, to the mind of a TS Catholic that truly believes in the ordination of House Borgia as the heirs to Peter's seat, are Biblically orthodox.

The Borgias should know full well that the TS Rite only stands up to them if they explicitly contradict the Bible (e.g. saying God is wrong about sin or a female Pope). In every situation outside that, there is no greater or more zealous ally.

Catholic TurtleShroomers have also adpated rapidly to the acceptance of certain Cardinals taking concubines and the assertion that only a Borgia can take the Papal throne.

Oh, and yeah, if the Papal Inquisition ever does find out IC that y'all plotted to murder a sitting pontiff, female or not, Turtleshroom will find itself under interdict. Jason would need to be questioned specifically by the inquisitors. Honestly that'd be an interesting plot point tbh.

The Cardinal-Primate had nothing to do with it. That was a secular motion by the actual, Protestant, TurtleShroomian government. It never got off the ground, so there's no record in it outside of the whispers of the TS spy services. There's no way it could be uncovered because it was in its infancy when the Popess died.

Not to mention you'd be inevtiable trying to disarm the Sisters of Saint Michael AND The Sacred Band (few remain, but still)...both are religious orders.

TS is Protestant. Women in the church are perfectly acceptable as long as they are not clergy. As you know, the Holy Orders outlined in the Bible (Elders, Deacons, and Overseers/Bishops) are explicitly restricted to men in RL. A woman can sit on a committee, write a budget or constitution, or advise the Deaconate, and she can even lead worship service (that is, things like the music and processions prior to the Lord's Supper or the pastor speaking), but she cannot shepherd a church. A woman is also forbidden from administering the Lord's Supper.

TurtleShroom considers the Sisters of Saint Micheal to be champions of the Cross and a noble endeavor for which a wannabe warrior female to aspire. TS would want to expand that order and even have monastic orders in TS promote it. Many TS women, especially veterans, would be thrilled to serve God in such a direct way.

To TurtleShroom, the Sacred Band is one of the following: a band of eunuchs, a reprieve for homosexuals to renounce their lust and form bonds in battle instead, or if push comes to shove and they are unrepentant, a temporal/secular order of bodyguards. TurtleShroom has no intention of disbanding something protecting the Bishop of Rome's life.

[Il Borgia Vaticano]

Pretty much all of it. The backstory, the marriage etc. etc. I forgot Mary even existed. That's why I said it'd just be easier to give her a different one and sending her off to meet with Leonello and Montalvo.

Everything you need to know about Mary and how Mei Lee got in her mess is right here. For a specific focus on Mei Lee and her current whereabouts, look here.

Mary Icfella-Borgia is Cardinal-Primate Jason Icfella's fraternal twin sister. She looks pretty much exactly like him, but a girl. Mary is married to Virginio's firstborn son and is loyal to both him and her father-in-law. She is either pregnant or has borne a grandchild for Virginio, depending on yoru choices. She has been her husband's confidante and a follower of Virginio from day one. Loyal to her new family, she trusts Virginio is doing the will of God.

Mei Lee Icfella-Borgia is the adopted sister of Cardinal-Primae Jason Icfella. She is Asian, of Tsao descent (paler, yellowish-white skin, like some Han Chinamen or Koreans).
She is the Dogaressa of Amalfi and was extremely popular in the republic. After her husband, the Doge of Amalfi, beat her black and blue, she took her shotgun and sent him straight to Hell.
The most common theory was plain old-fashioned racial hate: that he got an Oriental woman for a bride when he wanted a local Italian beauty. Maybe he had his sights on someone?

Anyway, Mei Lee bore the Doge a single son before he was shot dead. The child is extremely young and is still in Amalfi, presumed to be hiding in a monastary or safe house. She is likely in the very, very early stage of pregnancy with another.

Mei Lee gathered evidence and proof her being beaten and gave it to the Borgian police. They were not going to charge her. While the people of Amalfi sided with her, the Doge had a lot of powerful and dishonest friends that want to kill her. The other Merchant Republic families were mixed in their opinions. She took some of the regalia of the Doge and set off.

Where the story leaves off, she is a short ways outside of Rome hiding in the Great Pontine Marsh. Someone just encountered her, but who that person is will be up to whosoever elects to reply.

See, that's the issue. Mei Lee's origin story is the same but I accidentally made her married to Giovanni Maria Orsini as well. I did literally nothing with Mary, because I completely forgot about her. Hence is why I suggested that you have her, being your fraternal twin sister and closest relative in Italy, be your unofficial envoy to both Leonello and Cardinal de Montalvo in Viterbo. Pregnancy wise, we could always chock that up to an affair. Goes hand in hand with this dynasty, honestly. The child would be legitimized nonetheless.

It's partly why I killed off Virginio's son, to clean the slate. Mei Lee is now free from her ties to Orsini and can move on and to something else.

I haven't done anything with the House of Colonna-Borgia, except kill their patriarch with COVID. He'd conspired with Sixtus for the papal throne....

[TURTLESHROOM II]

I'm going to ask that you fix the issue if you can, please. Edits can be done!

Mei Lee and Amalfi is important to the plot and my personal preference, since she's my character. I wanted to exert some influence on Amalfi and explore the relations of Mei Lee as Dogaressa.

Also, you already acknowledged the whole Amalfi thing with Mei Lee and Virginio's son with Mary in your post here.

I can help you make edits, if you want.

[McNernia]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fqX ... sp=sharing\

Heres my latest post.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

> Psychotic woman with Gender Identity Disorder and delusions of granduer declares herself Popess
> An actual man declares elsewhere
> Virginio is hemmed in between the Romagna Coalition
> TurtleShroom is beginning to realize that a legitimate Papal Conclave is slipping away

[Il Borgia Vaticano]

> Psychotic woman with Gender Identity Disorder and delusions of granduer declares herself Popess
> An actual man declares elsewhere
> Virginio is hemmed in between the Romagna Coalition
> TurtleShroom is beginning to realize that a legitimate Papal Conclave is slipping away

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I think I may have come up with a solution to the Mei Lee problem without myself having to go back and edit half a dozen posts. One that might also be jumping the shark, plot wise, though. Seriously...it's something straight out of a telanovela. Perfect for the Borgia, family, tough.

An impostor!

The woman who IC has met both Virginio and his son was not, in fact, either Mary nor Mei Lee...its a foreign agent disguised as her, perhaps on the Empire of Fuso's orders scouting for any advantage they could get in ending slavery in The Papal State. Something like that. It throws in that casual racism you mentioned before, we can reset both Mei Lee AND Mary to where you left off, and more integrate the slavery conflict into the main storyline.

How could Giovanni Maria not realize that this person was obviously not his wife? Yeah, that's a bit of a plothole...but we'll just chock it up to utter incompetence/being honeypotted. We can put Mary as "in hiding" since her actual husband is now dead.

How do we meet Mei Lee? She'll still be hiding out in the Pontine marshes and Orsini can meet her on the run. To answer your other point, yeah, Orsini is royally fucckkked. He's smart enough to realize this, at this point, he can't win. My next post is definitely going to be him abandoning his forces (with Mary) and going on the run. If you wanna go down this lane, we can have him discover Mei Lee as they flee the country. By going back to the place you wanna get involved with, Amalfi. Orsini can seek refuge in Turtleshroom and make further plans for invasion/conclaves with Jason Icfella himself.

Unless I kill him in the process, still debating on that. He's kind of the Coalition's macguffin. Mary is totally pregnant, in that case, carrying the last living scion of the House of Orsini-Borgia.

[Allanea]

I mean, this does happen IRL.



Quite recently, a ski instructor from Spain pretended to be the representative of a major natural gas company. And prior to this, a man defrauded the US government in pretending to be a representative of the Taliban

Also this book exists.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

There is one thing that should be noted: Mei Lee is a Tsao Asian. Mary is TurtleShroomer White. It's not possible for the two to be mistaken, and Mei Lee's husband is dead.

I am interested, though. You said that Mei Lee, not Mary, was leading up an army. What Asian woman would be doing this in the Borgian See? Make sure you make the neccesary edits.

Also, Allanea has a point. Charlie Chaplin lost a Charlie Chaplin Lookalike Contest twice. The first loss is unknown, but is presumed to be between 1915 and 1921 AD. The second was in 1975 AD, near the end of his life. In the former, he lost badly, coming in a stunning twentieth place. In the latter, he came in third.

In another spectacular example, the very man that played a protagonist in the "Ghostbusters" films wanted to audition, and lend his voice to, his animated counterpart. When he began speaking in-character as his character, he was cut off and told that was nothing like what he would do. He was declined the audition because he never said that he was the actual actor.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

Allanea, I meant to write to you about my next phase involving direct TurtleShroomian action. Tsarina Olvia (the human Tsar) is going to give a speech about the Borgian crisis. The Congressional Duma will declare war, which begins the War Powers Clause's counter. To declare an offensive war, the country must vote on it, either by Parishes (and only Parishes) ratifying it or a full plebescite, depending on the scope and goals of the war. This war, being a Punitive Expedition only, will only need the Parishes to ratify the declaration.

The Congressional Duma will put it before the Parishes and not the public, in order to allow for immediate prosecution of the war. This can be dones without days, because TS legislatures meet five days a week for between six to eight hours a day, except on holidays.

That will be followed by a small chartered transport carrying about a thousand soldiers. These will land on the eastern seaboard of Italy. Meanwhile, a second chartered transport, carrying two thousand soldiers, will show up in the Allanean zone of operations and offer itself to ending the Borgian slave trade once and for all. The first thousand soldiers are meant to join forces with the many thousands of Condiotteries that TS pays. They were obviously driven out of Rome by the GID Popess. After that, the Condiotteries and TS, after securing safe refuge for Virginio, will hunker down and locate the male Pope challenging the GID Popess. They will join his forces.

Finally, a third force containing ten thousand soldiers will invade and conquer Amalfi.

When the following acts are finished (see below), all of the troops TS stationed in Italy will join forces and submit to the command of the forces of the male Pope. They will then march on Rome and attempt to kill- not capture -the blasphemous GID Pope. She will be given a quick and humane death.

They will force Amalfi to abolish slavery and will directly pay the aristocrats to "buy" the slaves at market price. (We have secured your republic. Do not make us go further.) If the aristocrats refuse, TurtleShroom will institute serfdom instead. If they forbid that, TurtleShroom will punish them. Newly minted freemen, if abolitionism is successful, will each be given guns and sufficient ammunition. Noble estates will remain unmolested and the aristocrats will be allowed to keep their lands and titles. No "forty acres and a mule", or any other land theft, would be involved. TurtleShroom has no interest in challenging or harming the aristocrats. If serfdom is instated, a Yuri Day would be enforced.

There is one exception: the Borgian branch of Doge Alphonse Borgia, who beat Mei Lee Icfella-Borgia and was killed by her, will have its estates conquered and dissolved. Mei Lee will become the sole heir and ruler of half Alphonse's clay.

To provide a permanent "incentive" to keep from reinstituting slavery after abolition or serfdom is enforced, three new Merchant Families would be created and given ballot access and all privileges therein. Alphonse's lands will be divided up and would become their Merchant Family Palace and holdings.

One of the Merchant Families is Mei Lee and her firstborn son (sired from Alphonse), who is now an Icfella-Borgia instead of taking Alphonse's Borgian branch. The union will retroactively be matrilineal. Why and how? It is because TurtleShroom has guns.

Mei Lee will find and take a new husband matrilineally, Borgian or otherwise (depending on Papal law and what constitutes a Borgia, e.g. if a Borgian mother and a non-Borgian father can make a Borgia). The second Merchant Family would be taken from a wealthy TurtleShroomian magnate, nobleman, or other such billionaire. Word has come that Bessford Be will refuse.
The third house would be taken from the most competent ex-slave or serf, who would become a freeman and a Merchant Family with full privileges. His last name? Schiavo, of course!

For the next two years, the office of Doge would be vacant. A council, consisting of Mei Lee, the head of each house, the head of the TurtleShroomian house, the slave house, and three other slaves. After that, the normal elections for Doge will be held, with each adult Merchant Family member casting a traditional vote in line with the laws of Amalfi. The Amalfite Doge selection, forever more, will be absolute cognatic, with males and females eligible. Merchant Families will no longer have to be Borgias, but obviously, no one except a Borgia can be Pope.

I am bringing this up because there would be a brief narrative exhange where the TurtleShroomers declare their presence, that they come in peace, and that they want to assist Allanea directly in ending the slave trade.

[Allanea]

I'm not sure I fully understand.

In some parts of the text you talk about ending the slave trade, and in some you talk about ending slavery.

In any event, Allanea will be doing what it's doing right now:

a. There's going to be some more sabotage in Italy [and perhaps Spain or elsewhere].
b. An attempt [we will see how successful] at a slave uprising in Guinea.

The goals ICly are basically....

a. To inflict economic and literal pain on the Papacy. [Primary goal]
b. To free as many slaves as possible, or if not possible, to at least encourage them to die standing up and fighting for their freedoms [Secondary goal]
c. Ideally to end slavery in part or all of the Papacy. [Allaneans object to serfdom, of course, and view it as a form of slavery, but we'll cross that bridge etc.]. This is a tertiary goal, so the Allaneans will be fine if they only accomplish A, or A + B.

[Il Borgia Vaticano]

There is one thing that should be noted: Mei Lee is a Tsao Asian. Mary is TurtleShroomer White. It's not possible for the two to be mistaken, and Mei Lee's husband is dead.

I am interested, though. You said that Mei Lee, not Mary, was leading up an army. What Asian woman would be doing this in the Borgian See? Make sure you make the neccesary edits.

Also, Allanea has a point. Charlie Chaplin lost a Charlie Chaplin Lookalike Contest twice. The first loss is unknown, but is presumed to be between 1915 and 1921 AD. The second was in 1975 AD, near the end of his life. In the former, he lost badly, coming in a stunning twentieth place. In the latter, he came in third.

In another spectacular example, the very man that played a protagonist in the "Ghostbusters" films wanted to audition, and lend his voice to, his animated counterpart. When he began speaking in-character as his character, he was cut off and told that was nothing like what he would do. He was declined the audition because he never said that he was the actual actor.

Alright, impostor it is! Nothing is being edited, however, because I'm going to chock it up to casual racism and the fog of war. Virginio is in his fifties, pigheaded, and totally focused on his goals. Also he actually has never met her yet, because he and his now dead son were long estranged.

All in all, expect a post by the end of today or tomorrow. I won't insinuate anything regarding the impostor being from Fuso until Austria-Bohemia-Hungary chimes in.

You should also know that there will be large ramifications for when/if you do invade Italy. The coalition would almost certainly turn on you for backing Orsini.

Oh, and also Naples for attacking Amalfi.