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Advent Fire: The Al-Saranidi Uprising (OOC, SIGNUPS, MT/PMT)

A staging-point for declarations of war and other major diplomatic events. [In character]

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Postby National Revolutionaries of Saranidia » Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:28 pm

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National Revolutionaries of Saranidia wrote:
Sounds like you’re bringing quite a bit to start with... I’d say cut your initial ORBAT in half, particularly regarding the amount of infantry you’re going to start with, and perhaps limit your air power to fighters, reconnaissance/AWACS and bombers.

You’re also going to have to reread the rules carefully, perhaps take cues from those who have been accepted. I’m a little on the fence with my co-OP’s concerns, though, but this just might work.

My most particular concern is territory- exactly what parts of Canada and the US do you cover?


I will make cuts and modifications to the Orbat.


Location and info
Valkiir is in yellow. I based it on the idea of several old legends and tales of a kingdom in the north of the American continent, and the fact that early Nordic/Icelandic settlers stayed and prospered... The fact I took American territory was mostly due to no one in my home region wanted the US, but they wanted the Nordic, Iceland, Scandinavian, Finnish regions......yes people actually did NOT want the US ... ..I am happy to leave continental US claims out of Valkiirs holdings for this RP... and just keep Canadian and Alaskan areas...oh that big chunk of space in the middle was the third nation in this mix, but that player is no longer around...I'm happy to give it to US after say a serious dispute sometime in the 20-50s....

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121st Motorized Infantry ( "Light Horse")Division
5000 Enlisted men and officers
Support, Aviation Regiment, Artillery support regiment, and air defense regiment attached to each division

2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment
50 tanks
20 IFV
Heavy Mechanized infantry, Batallion attached
artillery, air defense, and support, attached

3rd Aviation regiment:
1 helicopter Gunships/recon squadrons
3 transport Squadrons Mix of rotor and tilt-rotor aircraft
4 AV 22 Gunships: tiltrotor based gunships.



2 AC-27 Gunships ( ac 130 clones)
6 C-130 Clones
2 tankers
2 AWACS
1 Signal Intelligence Airship
1 Information electronic warfare Airship

23 counter Insurgency Squadron:
A mix of prop-driven aircraft and drones
Use a version of the Super Tucano and Pucara fighter bombers.
25 Manned aircraft
10 Drones

Aircraft Carrier: HMS Scythe
Battleships HMS: Leviathan. modernized Fast battleships of Iowa class, command and control direct Bombardment and Missile platforms
2 Air Defense Cruisers
8 Destroyers
1 Amphibious Assault carrier

95th Shock assault regiment: airmobile Special operations Unit
3rd Draugr Regiment: Airmobile Power-assisted exo-armor troopers
5th Apptrangr Commando: ( company Sized unit) Air Mobile, overt action/ dirty tricks forces, with PSYOPS company
Special Options Executive: we weren't here, you didn't see us. On the off chance, you did see us you would have a tragic accident before you tell anyone.
Satcom: Sattilite recon, electronic and data intelligence, and cyberwarfare

Up to 60 Aircraft of the Valkiir Self Defense force allocated to support this operation.
Including:
battlespace superiority fighters: similar in capabilities to F-22, Mig 29
Ground Attack conventional: fighter bombers
Ground Attack (gun) F-16 and A-10 had a kid
B70 Bombers: B52 style Mostly used as Standoff munitions, and Cruise missile carriers..although they do keep a healthy supply of napalm and cluster bombs in stock


By the way...I am the bloody sauce....figured it out...


...I'll be honest, the bordergore just bugs me quite a bit. You're good to go on pretty much everything else, though.
Is it okay if I give you the entire eastern section of Canada, but not your territory in Yukon and Alaska and leave the US border intact?

I've already got a potential RPer claiming British Columbia and the entire American West Coast, so I don't want to cause problems.

Additionally, I would in fact want to know how your powered armor works; I have my own versions that I run ICly based off of the Fallout armor but it's nerfed heavily to be vulnerable to prolonged small-arms fire and has a limited power supply. What I don't want, and I've expressed this in the rules, is some overpowered indestructible juggernaut that can't be put down by normal means.
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Postby National Revolutionaries of Saranidia » Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:54 pm


IC IS UP.


Forewarning and message to all:
Yes, much of the first post is poetry, edge, and not much action or exposition at all. Those will come in upcoming posts.
I've essentially given the go-ahead to everyone to start posting developments- Please, no attacks yet. ICly, war breaks out in 4-5 days.
This is an opportunity for everyone to establish where and who everyone is, start mobilizing for a potential conflict, establish diplomatic and military communications, etc. etc. This is the planning stage right now; purpose for everyone to prep their governments, militaries, companies and people.
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Postby Valkiir » Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:03 pm

National Revolutionaries of Saranidia wrote:
...I'll be honest, the bordergore just bugs me quite a bit. You're good to go on pretty much everything else, though.
Is it okay if I give you the entire eastern section of Canada, but not your territory in Yukon and Alaska and leave the US border intact?

I've already got a potential RPer claiming British Columbia and the entire American West Coast, so I don't want to cause problems.

Additionally, I would in fact want to know how your powered armor works; I have my own versions that I run ICly based off of the Fallout armor but it's nerfed heavily to be vulnerable to prolonged small-arms fire and has a limited power supply. What I don't want, and I've expressed this in the rules, is some overpowered indestructible juggernaut that can't be put down by normal means.


that division of land is fine, I am not overly attached to any specific border right now... It's not really Canada or has it ever been much like Canada, the French found it was occupied when they got there and politely started trading but never colonized.. it was in the British empire due to a lack of options and insufficient military might to tell them no...

As power armor units

Light:( shock Assault/Aprtangr/Infantry weapons teams) carries its own weight and soldiers kit, they can carry bout 250 pounds of gear, ammo, supplies and the equivalent of modern Issue body armor. using quick-change batteries that keep it going for about 8 hours, less if they are, carrying more than about 100 lbs, using radios, lights optics etc...it can be charged fro a vehicle's power system, or a wall plug is need be. the helmet has a built-in, gasmask/air blower, radio headset, camera, and flip-down night vision.

Heavy: (Draugr) Heavier frame, integrated boron-carbide ceramic and steel armor... can resist 7.62mm AP, for short periods although gaps in heavy protective plates exist and lucky shots, fragmentation shell splinters can disable or seriously injure the operator. It can support its own weight, 250 Kg of ammo, fuel, supplies, and handle items like a 50Cal M2 ( they aren't supposed to fire it from the hip, that will result in someone ending up on there ass and/or with a dislocated shoulder, but modified "Stinger" type weapons and swing arm mounted braces have been fielded allowing them to fire a .50cal/$0mm Beltfed GL from the kneeling position.

they can not pick up cars, swing fire hydrants like clubs, or jump that well at all, it just lets a man wear armor, his gear, his microclimate pack, radios, wrist-mounted computer pad, and heads up display around at a fast jog while laughing at the guy who just shot his chest plate with that 7.62x39...its powered by batteries and a compact APU system to keep them charged for about 6 hours of heavy use, 8 hours of light use.....and are usually found hanging out near a larger generator waiting for deployment.

all power-assisted armor is basically issued to limited units, either weapons and assault teams in regular infantry or specialized heavy assault shock troopers. The occasionally use them for patrols for shock value and to scare the heck out of locals with a seven-foot-tall( okay maybe not actually 7ft tall but it looks like it to the locals) hulking death machine carrying a 7.62x54mm machinegun as an assault rifle, and six-pack of disposable panzerfaust style launchers, on top of the grenades, pistols, assault rifles, etc....But they aren't going to be on some random patrol the middle of bum-fiddle Egypt...


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Postby National Revolutionaries of Saranidia » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:12 pm

Valkiir wrote:
National Revolutionaries of Saranidia wrote:
...I'll be honest, the bordergore just bugs me quite a bit. You're good to go on pretty much everything else, though.
Is it okay if I give you the entire eastern section of Canada, but not your territory in Yukon and Alaska and leave the US border intact?

I've already got a potential RPer claiming British Columbia and the entire American West Coast, so I don't want to cause problems.

Additionally, I would in fact want to know how your powered armor works; I have my own versions that I run ICly based off of the Fallout armor but it's nerfed heavily to be vulnerable to prolonged small-arms fire and has a limited power supply. What I don't want, and I've expressed this in the rules, is some overpowered indestructible juggernaut that can't be put down by normal means.


that division of land is fine, I am not overly attached to any specific border right now... It's not really Canada or has it ever been much like Canada, the French found it was occupied when they got there and politely started trading but never colonized.. it was in the British empire due to a lack of options and insufficient military might to tell them no...

As power armor units

Light:( shock Assault/Aprtangr/Infantry weapons teams) carries its own weight and soldiers kit, they can carry bout 250 pounds of gear, ammo, supplies and the equivalent of modern Issue body armor. using quick-change batteries that keep it going for about 8 hours, less if they are, carrying more than about 100 lbs, using radios, lights optics etc...it can be charged fro a vehicle's power system, or a wall plug is need be. the helmet has a built-in, gasmask/air blower, radio headset, camera, and flip-down night vision.

Heavy: (Draugr) Heavier frame, integrated boron-carbide ceramic and steel armor... can resist 7.62mm AP, for short periods although gaps in heavy protective plates exist and lucky shots, fragmentation shell splinters can disable or seriously injure the operator. It can support its own weight, 250 Kg of ammo, fuel, supplies, and handle items like a 50Cal M2 ( they aren't supposed to fire it from the hip, that will result in someone ending up on there ass and/or with a dislocated shoulder, but modified "Stinger" type weapons and swing arm mounted braces have been fielded allowing them to fire a .50cal/$0mm Beltfed GL from the kneeling position.

they can not pick up cars, swing fire hydrants like clubs, or jump that well at all, it just lets a man wear armor, his gear, his microclimate pack, radios, wrist-mounted computer pad, and heads up display around at a fast jog while laughing at the guy who just shot his chest plate with that 7.62x39...its powered by batteries and a compact APU system to keep them charged for about 6 hours of heavy use, 8 hours of light use.....and are usually found hanging out near a larger generator waiting for deployment.

all power-assisted armor is basically issued to limited units, either weapons and assault teams in regular infantry or specialized heavy assault shock troopers. The occasionally use them for patrols for shock value and to scare the heck out of locals with a seven-foot-tall( okay maybe not actually 7ft tall but it looks like it to the locals) hulking death machine carrying a 7.62x54mm machinegun as an assault rifle, and six-pack of disposable panzerfaust style launchers, on top of the grenades, pistols, assault rifles, etc....But they aren't going to be on some random patrol the middle of bum-fiddle Egypt...


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Huh... My own units run something similar.

Advisor has some doubts but I'll give you the go-ahead. Accepted.
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Postby National Revolutionaries of Saranidia » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:19 am

I’m really don’t want to do this, Valkiir, but I’d stated before that this is the planning stage...

How’d you get recon platforms so easily into Saranidia, and what’s your IC political reasons for getting involve?

I’d like an edit of the post explaining why.
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Postby Valkiir » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:04 am

National Revolutionaries of Saranidia wrote:I’m really don’t want to do this, Valkiir, but I’d stated before that this is the planning stage...

How’d you get recon platforms so easily into Saranidia, and what’s your IC political reasons for getting involve?

I’d like an edit of the post explaining why.


I intended to explain in the next post and the surveillance platform is circling overhead once every 90 minutes... a trio of satellites with thermal imaging and multi-spectrum imaging equipment pass across the region, they make a wide area map of the heat signatures of an area....any large changes the resulting map and a camp capable of supporting an insurgent group would be a very warm place, especially if they are using old tanks as you mentioned earlier...as to why they were looking in the region...tanks, old tanks, tanks that should be rusting away in a boneyard...you cant just ho in a tank and drive it off, it needs parts, it needs manuals, it needs repair work to get it running...and that in modern terms means lots of people doing the oddest searches and "How do you tension the tracks on a T-34-85. If those queries coincide with a known hotspot, for unrest, and it also corresponds with calls to rebel, or take up arms...then a search system would notice the spike in multiple instances of keywords, phrases, and alarmingly attempts to gather information on how to get old tanks up and running again... a single pass of a low-level surveillance satellite over those boneyards would show increased activity, and that some of the tanks aren't where they were supposed to be...Rebels with AKs and RPGs, not a serious issue, rebels and militants with technical and heavy weapons...a bit more concerning, rebels with actual armored vehicles...things are going to get bloody fast...

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Postby Polish Prussian Commonwealth » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:20 am

Valkiir wrote:
National Revolutionaries of Saranidia wrote:I’m really don’t want to do this, Valkiir, but I’d stated before that this is the planning stage...

How’d you get recon platforms so easily into Saranidia, and what’s your IC political reasons for getting involve?

I’d like an edit of the post explaining why.


I intended to explain in the next post and the surveillance platform is circling overhead once every 90 minutes... a trio of satellites with thermal imaging and multi-spectrum imaging equipment pass across the region, they make a wide area map of the heat signatures of an area....any large changes the resulting map and a camp capable of supporting an insurgent group would be a very warm place, especially if they are using old tanks as you mentioned earlier...as to why they were looking in the region...tanks, old tanks, tanks that should be rusting away in a boneyard...you cant just ho in a tank and drive it off, it needs parts, it needs manuals, it needs repair work to get it running...and that in modern terms means lots of people doing the oddest searches and "How do you tension the tracks on a T-34-85. If those queries coincide with a known hotspot, for unrest, and it also corresponds with calls to rebel, or take up arms...then a search system would notice the spike in multiple instances of keywords, phrases, and alarmingly attempts to gather information on how to get old tanks up and running again... a single pass of a low-level surveillance satellite over those boneyards would show increased activity, and that some of the tanks aren't where they were supposed to be...Rebels with AKs and RPGs, not a serious issue, rebels and militants with technical and heavy weapons...a bit more concerning, rebels with actual armored vehicles...things are going to get bloody fast...


Satellites?

This is where the fun begins...
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And soul by soul and silently her shining bounds increase
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Postby Sudbrazil » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:41 am

Time to buy ABMs from the Russians.

On a more serious note though, I'm going to ask them for tanks too, what should be the delay considering some comms channels are already present?
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Postby National Revolutionaries of Saranidia » Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:37 pm

Valkiir wrote:
National Revolutionaries of Saranidia wrote:I’m really don’t want to do this, Valkiir, but I’d stated before that this is the planning stage...

How’d you get recon platforms so easily into Saranidia, and what’s your IC political reasons for getting involve?

I’d like an edit of the post explaining why.


I intended to explain in the next post and the surveillance platform is circling overhead once every 90 minutes... a trio of satellites with thermal imaging and multi-spectrum imaging equipment pass across the region, they make a wide area map of the heat signatures of an area....any large changes the resulting map and a camp capable of supporting an insurgent group would be a very warm place, especially if they are using old tanks as you mentioned earlier...as to why they were looking in the region...tanks, old tanks, tanks that should be rusting away in a boneyard...you cant just ho in a tank and drive it off, it needs parts, it needs manuals, it needs repair work to get it running...and that in modern terms means lots of people doing the oddest searches and "How do you tension the tracks on a T-34-85. If those queries coincide with a known hotspot, for unrest, and it also corresponds with calls to rebel, or take up arms...then a search system would notice the spike in multiple instances of keywords, phrases, and alarmingly attempts to gather information on how to get old tanks up and running again... a single pass of a low-level surveillance satellite over those boneyards would show increased activity, and that some of the tanks aren't where they were supposed to be...Rebels with AKs and RPGs, not a serious issue, rebels and militants with technical and heavy weapons...a bit more concerning, rebels with actual armored vehicles...things are going to get bloody fast...


Just something to note...; most of the Revolutionaries have professional technical support, either hired from the West or recruited locally from the Israelis, Syrians and Jordanians- mostly reducing their need for simplistic Internet searches.

No offense, but they’re not stupid ideologists looking for jihad.
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Postby Polish Prussian Commonwealth » Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:54 pm

National Revolutionaries of Saranidia wrote:
Valkiir wrote:
I intended to explain in the next post and the surveillance platform is circling overhead once every 90 minutes... a trio of satellites with thermal imaging and multi-spectrum imaging equipment pass across the region, they make a wide area map of the heat signatures of an area....any large changes the resulting map and a camp capable of supporting an insurgent group would be a very warm place, especially if they are using old tanks as you mentioned earlier...as to why they were looking in the region...tanks, old tanks, tanks that should be rusting away in a boneyard...you cant just ho in a tank and drive it off, it needs parts, it needs manuals, it needs repair work to get it running...and that in modern terms means lots of people doing the oddest searches and "How do you tension the tracks on a T-34-85. If those queries coincide with a known hotspot, for unrest, and it also corresponds with calls to rebel, or take up arms...then a search system would notice the spike in multiple instances of keywords, phrases, and alarmingly attempts to gather information on how to get old tanks up and running again... a single pass of a low-level surveillance satellite over those boneyards would show increased activity, and that some of the tanks aren't where they were supposed to be...Rebels with AKs and RPGs, not a serious issue, rebels and militants with technical and heavy weapons...a bit more concerning, rebels with actual armored vehicles...things are going to get bloody fast...


Just something to note...; most of the Revolutionaries have professional technical support, either hired from the West or recruited locally from the Israelis, Syrians and Jordanians- mostly reducing their need for simplistic Internet searches.

No offense, but they’re not stupid ideologists looking for jihad.


I thought we gave you Leopard 2s?
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We may not count her armies, we may not see her King;
Her fortress is a faithful heart, her pride is suffering;
And soul by soul and silently her shining bounds increase
And her ways are ways of gentleness, and all her paths are peace.

"Out of doubt, out of dark, to the day's rising
he rode singing in the sun, sword unsheathing.
Hope he rekindled, and in hope ended;
over death, over dread, over doom lifted
out of loss, out of life, unto long glory."



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Postby National Revolutionaries of Saranidia » Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:33 pm

Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:
National Revolutionaries of Saranidia wrote:
Just something to note...; most of the Revolutionaries have professional technical support, either hired from the West or recruited locally from the Israelis, Syrians and Jordanians- mostly reducing their need for simplistic Internet searches.

No offense, but they’re not stupid ideologists looking for jihad.


I thought we gave you Leopard 2s?


Hidden in civilized areas like city garages leased out to us or protected in established military bases and hangars, don’t want our coolest toys crushed in a Saranidi bombing. Same with other things like Challenger Is, Chieftains, T-72s, T-90s, and Abrams taken from Iraqi, Syrian, and Saudi scrapyards and battlefields and the Merkavas in storage. They’re taken out every once in a while but used sparingly for fear of tipping off recon or breaking them before the war starts.

Most of their main force that’s visible will be the old tanks from WWII and early postwar, but the main meat are the Cold War stuff they dug up from Syria, Jordan and Israel (Centurions, T-54/55s and T-62s, Pattons, Leopard 1s and these [fictional] modern Panther models shipped to Israel during the Cold War).
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Postby National Revolutionaries of Saranidia » Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:35 pm

Sudbrazil wrote:Time to buy ABMs from the Russians.

On a more serious note though, I'm going to ask them for tanks too, what should be the delay considering some comms channels are already present?


Does your group already have established connections with the Russians?
Regardless, it’ll probably take 4-5 IC days at the least...
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Postby Valkiir » Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:16 pm

National Revolutionaries of Saranidia wrote:
I’d like an edit of the post explaining why.




Just something to note...; most of the Revolutionaries have professional technical support, either hired from the West or recruited locally from the Israelis, Syrians, and Jordanians- mostly reducing their need for simplistic Internet searches.

No offense, but they’re not stupid ideologists looking for jihad.[/quote]

I didn't think it was a bunch of stupid jihadis...just operating on how most people find the information/materials they do not have ready access to these days...they use the internet, email, etc....

Technical support is fine, but manuals, detailed technical specifications, arent common even to people who are tank mechanics.....a modern aircraft support team still has o go ask someone what the proper air-fuel ration for a pratt and Whitney wasp engine is...or what can I use to replace 50-year-old cylinder rings, and gaskets, on a Russian tank engine... Spare parts haven't been manufactured for Shermans and t34s in 50 years, the only way to find them is to search for them online or through collector communities/brokers. those communications even if you don't know the content you can track the source point of any phone call or email to those groups...and the increase in frequency of communications to those sources would be easy to spot for an automated system...they look for changes in patterns or sharp increases in the mention of certain keywords...

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Postby Polish Prussian Commonwealth » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:45 pm

Valkiir wrote:
National Revolutionaries of Saranidia wrote:
I’d like an edit of the post explaining why.



Just something to note...; most of the Revolutionaries have professional technical support, either hired from the West or recruited locally from the Israelis, Syrians, and Jordanians- mostly reducing their need for simplistic Internet searches.

No offense, but they’re not stupid ideologists looking for jihad.


I didn't think it was a bunch of stupid jihadis...just operating on how most people find the information/materials they do not have ready access to these days...they use the internet, email, etc....

Technical support is fine, but manuals, detailed technical specifications, arent common even to people who are tank mechanics.....a modern aircraft support team still has o go ask someone what the proper air-fuel ration for a pratt and Whitney wasp engine is...or what can I use to replace 50-year-old cylinder rings, and gaskets, on a Russian tank engine... Spare parts haven't been manufactured for Shermans and t34s in 50 years, the only way to find them is to search for them online or through collector communities/brokers. those communications even if you don't know the content you can track the source point of any phone call or email to those groups...and the increase in frequency of communications to those sources would be easy to spot for an automated system...they look for changes in patterns or sharp increases in the mention of certain keywords...

I'm technically not involved in this yet, but;
Please improve your grammar. I think my earlier fears are now unjustified, but this is a bit of a pet peeve of mine.
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Victory theme
Anthem
We may not count her armies, we may not see her King;
Her fortress is a faithful heart, her pride is suffering;
And soul by soul and silently her shining bounds increase
And her ways are ways of gentleness, and all her paths are peace.

"Out of doubt, out of dark, to the day's rising
he rode singing in the sun, sword unsheathing.
Hope he rekindled, and in hope ended;
over death, over dread, over doom lifted
out of loss, out of life, unto long glory."



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Postby Valkiir » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:51 pm

Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:Please improve your grammar.


This was a quick off the cuff post, just to explain my reasoning. rest assured I will run proper checks for IC posts.
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Postby Polish Prussian Commonwealth » Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:00 pm

For reference: My ORBAT.

Note that this is not my starting army, but simply what Prussia-Poland is likely willing to commit in total...
ORBATS for the Navy, and for Bavaria and the Two Sicilies will come soon.

ORDER OF BATTLE-ARMY AND AIR FORCE:

1st Corps-Army Group North
1st Guards Division(Masovia)
1st Grenadier Division(Ducal Pomerania)
1st Fusilier/Light Infantry Division(Greater Poland/Grand Duchy of Poznan)
1st Armored Division(East Prussia)
3rd Hussar Division(West Prussia)

Unit 777(Light Infantry Company-Mother Base, Baltic Sea)
1. Fallschirmjaegerregiment(Masovia)




2nd Tactical Aviation Wing
3rd Aviation Squadron(F-16C/D 52+)
6th Aviation Squadron(F-16C/D 52+)

10th Aviation Squadron(F-16C/D 52+)
42nd Aviation Squadron(Su-25KM)

16th Airfield Maintenance Battalion
19th Airfield Security Battalion


3rd Transport Wing
43rd Air-Refueling Squadron(KC-135)
12th Aviation Squadron(M28B Skytruck)

13th Aviation Squadron(CASA C-295M)
14th Aviation Squadron(C-130E Hercules)

7th Special Operations Squadron(Mi-17)
1st Search and Rescue Group(W-3 Sokół)
2nd Search and Rescue Group(W-3 Sokół)
3rd Search and Rescue Group(W-3 Sokół)

17th Airfield Maintenance Battalion
19th Airfield Security Battalion


5th Electronic Warfare Wing
45th Aviation Squadron(Boeing E-3 Sentry)

46th Aviation Squadron(Tornado ECR)
47th Aviation Squadron(Tornado ECR)

18th Airfield Maintenance Battalion
48th Airfield Security Battalion


All divisions are composed of 3-4 brigades. These brigades comprise a single regiment and it's supporting arms.

Fusilier and Hussar Divisions are entirely Light Infantry-motorized and airborne, respectively.
Grenadier divisions are entirely mechanized infantry.
Armored Divisions are mostly armored, but have at least one brigade of IFV-equipped Mechanized Infantry.

Unit 777 is composed of 1 company of light infantry, a tank platoon, a squad of CBRN defense, and a platoon of combat engineers.
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Postby Polish Prussian Commonwealth » Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:00 pm

Valkiir wrote:
Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:Please improve your grammar.


This was a quick off the cuff post, just to explain my reasoning. rest assured I will run proper checks for IC posts.

Fair. I look forward to it.

Also, something important.

Since Saranidia has given me freedom of operation with regards to my sleeper cell, this is what's happening.


In late November, a Prussian-Polish offshore military installation was attacked by infiltraters from Saranidia's Special Air Feyadeen that have become bitter and angry with the lack of initiative from their country's government. The attack includes the usage of sarin gas.

Other, smaller attacks will occur sporadically through December, including a few car bombings, assaults on soldiers, and at least one attempt at assassinating the Royal Family.
This provides the impetus for Prussia-Poland to begin offering massive amounts of aid to the NRS, which includes armed intervention and possibly an open, declared war. Sicily is already in a state of almost-war with Saranidia, ever since a Saranidian naval invasion was beaten back and routed by a group of hilariously outnumbered Sicilian ships.
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Postby Diarcesia » Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:56 pm

For those who will do spec ops, what are the ramifications of sending operatives (a) with or (b) without Saranidia's knowledge if discovered by the government?

Also, I assume that officially, Contested Isratine is Saranidian territory.
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Postby Polish Prussian Commonwealth » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:04 pm

Diarcesia wrote:For those who will do spec ops, what are the ramifications of sending operatives (a) with or (b) without Saranidia's knowledge if discovered by the government?

Also, I assume that officially, Contested Isratine is Saranidian territory.


For Spec. Ops...uh, you'll have to TG Saranidia about that.
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"Out of doubt, out of dark, to the day's rising
he rode singing in the sun, sword unsheathing.
Hope he rekindled, and in hope ended;
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Postby National Revolutionaries of Saranidia » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:18 pm

Diarcesia wrote:For those who will do spec ops, what are the ramifications of sending operatives (a) with or (b) without Saranidia's knowledge if discovered by the government?

Also, I assume that officially, Contested Isratine is Saranidian territory.


Officially, Contested Isratine is Saranidi territory, but it’s widely considered an independent state of its own after a combination of Israeli nationalists and Crusader militias overthrew the occupation and established their own functioning government, as well as the massive pullout of Saranidi troops. However, it’s extremely scarred from the wars and occupation, and though internally it’s politically stable and is well-maintained in hubs like Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Beersheba, pretty much everything else is in disarray and cut off- a real semi-anarchic Wild West-type environment.

Also, Diarcesia... could I get some context for what you just posted?
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Postby Diarcesia » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:26 pm

National Revolutionaries of Saranidia wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:For those who will do spec ops, what are the ramifications of sending operatives (a) with or (b) without Saranidia's knowledge if discovered by the government?

Also, I assume that officially, Contested Isratine is Saranidian territory.


Officially, Contested Isratine is Saranidi territory, but it’s widely considered an independent state of its own after a combination of Israeli nationalists and Crusader militias overthrew the occupation and established their own functioning government, as well as the massive pullout of Saranidi troops. However, it’s extremely scarred from the wars and occupation, and though internally it’s politically stable and is well-maintained in hubs like Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Beersheba, pretty much everything else is in disarray and cut off- a real semi-anarchic Wild West-type environment.

Also, Diarcesia... could I get some context for what you just posted?


The General was the leader of Hetrica in 2020, when the New Randomnican Crisis happened. During a diplomatic summit in a neutral country, the General attacked the building the delegations are located in, including the ones sent from Diarcesia.

The Diarcesians tried to capture him over the ten years that followed, but failed. As of late 2030, they received intelligence that the General is hiding near Acre.

In my version of events after the last post in that RP, the General was ousted from Hetrica but remained at large with a group of dedicated loyalists.

I also have provisions to target additional people. Do you have a list of international criminals who are based in the Contested Isratine (and possibly Saranidia proper)?

Edit: Saranidia, thoughts?
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Postby Democratic Exodian Territories » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:39 pm

Diarcesia wrote:
National Revolutionaries of Saranidia wrote:
Officially, Contested Isratine is Saranidi territory, but it’s widely considered an independent state of its own after a combination of Israeli nationalists and Crusader militias overthrew the occupation and established their own functioning government, as well as the massive pullout of Saranidi troops. However, it’s extremely scarred from the wars and occupation, and though internally it’s politically stable and is well-maintained in hubs like Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Beersheba, pretty much everything else is in disarray and cut off- a real semi-anarchic Wild West-type environment.

Also, Diarcesia... could I get some context for what you just posted?


The General was the leader of Hetrica in 2020, when the New Randomnican Crisis happened. During a diplomatic summit in a neutral country, the General attacked the building the delegations are located in, including the ones sent from Diarcesia.

The Diarcesians tried to capture him over the ten years that followed, but failed. As of late 2030, they received intelligence that the General is hiding near Acre.

In my version of events after the last post in that RP, the General was ousted from Hetrica but remained at large with a group of dedicated loyalists.

I also have provisions to target additional people. Do you have a list of international criminals who are based in the Contested Isratine (and possibly Saranidia proper)?


No one really's in Isratine...
Well... If you can count the syndicates and a few arms dealers giving the Revolutionaries support...

But you'll have to ask Saranidia about the rest. Probably best to ask him if the whole general thing is fine with him too. Personally I'm mostly fine with it as long as it doesn't alter canon.
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Postby Saranidia » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:58 am

Diarcesia wrote:
National Revolutionaries of Saranidia wrote:
Officially, Contested Isratine is Saranidi territory, but it’s widely considered an independent state of its own after a combination of Israeli nationalists and Crusader militias overthrew the occupation and established their own functioning government, as well as the massive pullout of Saranidi troops. However, it’s extremely scarred from the wars and occupation, and though internally it’s politically stable and is well-maintained in hubs like Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Beersheba, pretty much everything else is in disarray and cut off- a real semi-anarchic Wild West-type environment.

Also, Diarcesia... could I get some context for what you just posted?


The General was the leader of Hetrica in 2020, when the New Randomnican Crisis happened. During a diplomatic summit in a neutral country, the General attacked the building the delegations are located in, including the ones sent from Diarcesia.

The Diarcesians tried to capture him over the ten years that followed, but failed. As of late 2030, they received intelligence that the General is hiding near Acre.

In my version of events after the last post in that RP, the General was ousted from Hetrica but remained at large with a group of dedicated loyalists.

I also have provisions to target additional people. Do you have a list of international criminals who are based in the Contested Isratine (and possibly Saranidia proper)?

Edit: Saranidia, thoughts?

The general is ok to be there(he would be in the rural areas of Palestine) as are his followers.
Fleeing to Isratine would be popular amongst people wanted in Azadistan or Saranidia.
Examples would include:
The second in command of the Ali crime organisation Khalid Ali(dishonourably discharged Sergeant 1st Class, fleeing charges of 8 counts of homicide, 150 counts of bribery, 2,000 counts of perverting the course of justice,1 count of prison escape,
20 counts of racketeering, 5 counts of dealing in narcotics, 2 counts of dealing in pirated movies and 1 count of felony tax evasion)

Captain Muhammad Azadistani, Master of Business Administration(fleeing 1 fraud charge and 3 corruption charges)

Mrs.Khadijah Al-Saranidi(fleeing serious embezzlement charges)

Various Al-Saranidis who don’t want to pay tax

Innumerable other minor figures,
Mostly smugglers, mercenaries and “get rich quick” types.

Saranidia proper would need some work but They include
1- The leader of the Wahid family-based crime organisation (often called ‘Wahid the tailor’ because he owns a successful legitimate tailoring business), yet to be proven guilty of anything ICLy but Kallipolis White Collar Crimes, Federal Anti-Corruption, New Sirte CID and the Cyber-Police are investigating him.
2- the Ali first in command(can’t be charged due to lack of evidence,
Lives in Kallipolis because it is or at least was safer than Azadistan and he is at risk)
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Postby National Revolutionaries of Saranidia » Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:27 am

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I'm sorry about not mentioning this earlier, but my trainees aren't anywhere near Saranidia; they're deep within Isratine thirty or more miles from the border on a heavily guarded military compound by both the Israel Defense Force and the Revolutionaries themselves.

In short there's no way a Saranidi civilian gendarmerie is getting anywhere near them.
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