Climate alarmism banned; follow our example | mt open

[Satuga]

Actually, some people in the Tornado Queendom actually SAY that.

Wait so your nation is ok with that but not people saying the world is dying? Lol what?

I agree 100% with Munkchester, and I feel that the best response to Satuga's holocaust comment is this. If a socialist America invaded a conservative country minding its own business (I'll use Neo-Prussia for the sake of example), then it would be bad. Neo-Prussia would become a victim of communism, and they would basically be alone. Germany is basically doing the same things socialist america would do, and the Vicegrad would literally be their only hope. The Vicegrad would be left to be sitting ducks, and socialist america would eventually colonize the area and force leftism against their will. Liberal Intervention works the same way, and some "liberals" in the Democratic party actually want SOCIALISM. Simply put, Liberal Intervention will lead to imperialism. I'm fighting fire with fire by doing this, but it's to prevent the world from being a socialist dystopia.

I'm actually not a leftist, I am most definitely on the right. Where I can see you're trying to get at, the only problem is the country intervening doesn't have to be socialist or communist. Also let's make this more fair, Instead of you making it seem like it's just a country attacking another country unprovoked, let's add a few more details. Let's say Socialist America did invade Neo-Prussia, but Neo-Prussia was a ruthless dictatorship, that had slaves. Since SA is socialist they would most definitely abolish slavery. Would you say it was worth the spread of socialism to end the act of slavery? Or better put would you rather there be socialism or slavery?

[Yegla Islands]

So this appears to be the mother of all threadjacks. Is there going to be a separate IC/war thread, or is this whole thing just going to devolve into a big argument and then get moved by mods?

[Satuga]

Wow Munkcestrian Republic more people are backing you, it's almost like it's exactly what I was saying it was lol.

[Satuga]

So this appears to be the mother of all threadjacks. Is there going to be a separate IC/war thread, or is this whole thing just going to devolve into a big argument and then get moved by mods?

Yeah, I suppose this has derived into more of a discussion thread than what it was originally intended to be.

[Tornado Queendom]

So this appears to be the mother of all threadjacks. Is there going to be a separate IC/war thread, or is this whole thing just going to devolve into a big argument and then get moved by mods?

Looks like I need to pull out my Nilrahrarfan puppet

[Nilrahrarfan]

OOC: I reported the threadjack to the proper authorities, and they should be here soon.

IC: Nilrahrarfan is fully supportive of Munkchester and their policies, and has already banned Climate Alarmism for a long time.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

yes they are responding to me thank you for pointing that out.



1. yes, this means the only reasonable course of action in response to someone being mean to environmentalists is war
2. i'm aware people have different views to those presented by my nation... i am merely suggesting they could offer their own views in a more sensible manner.
3. i mean do you want to pretend otherwise just look at this thread LMAO

no they stated they declared war on Tornado Queendom because of slavery.

1. Are you serious right now? How childish can you get?
2. Destroying someone's life= Being mean
3. This is a roleplay site, what did you want? A sit down and a chat about why oppressing people is a big no no? If you wanted that you should have made a serious discussion instead.
4. You do realize you had two people back you right? It wasn't just all people declaring war, some people sanctioned, some denounced your Nation. It wasn't just a whole string of people declaring war with you and that's it, get your head out of your ass.
5. I'll give you that because I did misread that.

you seem to have been unable to understand what i have said so far. now, there's no need for you to start getting aggressive and rude so i'm going to have to ask you to calm down.

1. "how childish can you get?" i ask as i start an OOC shitfit because fictional people in a fictional world are now faced with the possibility of being punished (!) and someone suggests that fictional responses could possibly maybe be idk not as stupid?
2. sir, nobody's life is being destroyed. this is a game.
3. yes thank you for pointing out that this is a roleplay forum. this is a game. the point of a game is to have fun. you do not seem to be having fun, and i for one am certainly not rn because i'm typing up this post.
4. yeah yeah right right right. i am able to read posts you know. i wasn't talking about any of the people who were actually responding somewhat sensibly and not talking about how their 200 million-strong army with power armour were going to go to war for the planet.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

pictured: most of the people in this thread

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Is there going to be a separate IC/war thread

Though this guy does make a good point.. people who want war for whatever reason, I'll set up a thread soon (in the morning). There you can be defeated.

[Satuga]

you seem to have been unable to understand what i have said so far. now, there's no need for you to start getting aggressive and rude so i'm going to have to ask you to calm down.

1. "how childish can you get?" i ask as i start an OOC shitfit because fictional people in a fictional world are now faced with the possibility of being punished (!) and someone suggests that fictional responses could possibly maybe be idk not as stupid?
2. sir, nobody's life is being destroyed. this is a game.
3. yes thank you for pointing out that this is a roleplay forum. this is a game. the point of a game is to have fun. you do not seem to be having fun, and i for one am certainly not rn because i'm typing up this post.
4. yeah yeah right right right. i am able to read posts you know. i wasn't talking about any of the people who were actually responding somewhat sensibly and not talking about how their 200 million-strong army with power armour were going to go to war for the planet.

1. Man do you really need to try and say I don't understand what you've been saying? This whole time I've been trying to explain to you that just because you think something is stupid to you, doesn't mean it's how every one sees things which is evidence by your 1st "point".
2. You clearly stated that in "3" you acknowledge this is a rp forum, yet in "1" you're saying that people are acting irrationally towards a fictional setting and fictional characters. We are Rping for a reason the whole point is were placing ourselves in this world we look at it from inside not outside.
3. Once again, it doesn't matter the whole point of RP is to be involved with the world and treat things as real.(as they get) Saying that it isn't real people in an rp is like being confused why some people get upset at titanic or other sob movies.
4. I was having fun when you didn't turn this into a discussion about "NS are so predictable in declaring war against opposing nations" If you had simply kept replying in an RP fashion instead of getting "disappointed" then this wouldn't have devolved into what it is now.
5. If you read all the other posts, then why are you getting so "disappointed" at the reactions of some few nations?

[Coromina Industrial]

After long and careful deliberation, we have decided that it would be in the best interests of Coromina Industries to formally announce a market ban on the Munkcestrian Republic. Due to their anti-science action and denial of a global crisis we have found them ineligible for the privilege of purchasing our wares.

-Coromina Industries PR

[Nogodia]

At this point before the war we may just declare TDS on both nations and detonate Atmosphere Ignition Devices over them.
Low environmental impact, high casualties.

[Tornado Queendom]

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pictured: most of the people in this thread

We're the ACTUAL heroes, and these are supervillains in disguise as "Planeteers".

[Tornado Queendom]

At this point before the war we may just declare TDS on both nations and detonate Atmosphere Ignition Devices over them.
Low environmental impact, high casualties.

You DO know that 3 more nations joined us, right? I'm not gonna tell you them so that there's no attacks on them.

Besides, we have a way to deflect them and send them to Arabia.

[Yegla Islands]

At this point before the war we may just declare TDS on both nations and detonate Atmosphere Ignition Devices over them.
Low environmental impact, high casualties.

Since this appears to have become a discussion thread, I'll throw in my 2 cents. What you're referring to is, I'm assuming, a thermobaric explosive of some kind. Which seems entirely counterproductive if you're declaring hostilities over an environmental concern - firebombing isn't exactly carbon-neutral. Unless you don't actually care about the environmentalist side of things, and are just doing this for the sake of expansion and/or out of a disdain for slavers, in which case your actions are still pretty abhorrent from an ethical point of view, what with collateral concerns n'all (plus the fact that you'll probably be killing a whole bunch of slaves). It would also void any and all eligibility for our support from an IC perspective.

[Tornado Queendom]

At this point before the war we may just declare TDS on both nations and detonate Atmosphere Ignition Devices over them.
Low environmental impact, high casualties.

Since this appears to have become a discussion thread, I'll throw in my 2 cents. What you're referring to is, I'm assuming, a thermobaric explosive of some kind. Which seems entirely counterproductive if you're declaring hostilities over an environmental concern - firebombing isn't exactly carbon-neutral. Unless you don't actually care about the environmentalist side of things, and are just doing this for the sake of expansion and/or out of a disdain for slavers, in which case your actions are still pretty abhorrent from an ethical point of view, what with collateral concerns n'all (plus the fact that you'll probably be killing a whole bunch of slaves). It would also void any and all eligibility for our support from an IC perspective.

Besides, it will only turn our Tornado Girls into "Firenado Girls".

You know, Communist Tornado Girls that burn things.

[Nogodia]

At this point before the war we may just declare TDS on both nations and detonate Atmosphere Ignition Devices over them.
Low environmental impact, high casualties.

Since this appears to have become a discussion thread, I'll throw in my 2 cents. What you're referring to is, I'm assuming, a thermobaric explosive of some kind. Which seems entirely counterproductive if you're declaring hostilities over an environmental concern - firebombing isn't exactly carbon-neutral. Unless you don't actually care about the environmentalist side of things, and are just doing this for the sake of expansion and/or out of a disdain for slavers, in which case your actions are still pretty abhorrent from an ethical point of view, what with collateral concerns n'all (plus the fact that you'll probably be killing a whole bunch of slaves). It would also void any and all eligibility for our support from an IC perspective.

Actually the AID does NOT work like that. It's a really complex (sci-fi level) device that we'll explain in a TG later.
Don't worry, we have no intention of annihilating their environment or committing genocide. And we have zero intention of expansion, territory wise, we are UNDERPOPULATED in RP.

[Common Territories]

Since this appears to have become a discussion thread, I'll throw in my 2 cents. What you're referring to is, I'm assuming, a thermobaric explosive of some kind. Which seems entirely counterproductive if you're declaring hostilities over an environmental concern - firebombing isn't exactly carbon-neutral. Unless you don't actually care about the environmentalist side of things, and are just doing this for the sake of expansion and/or out of a disdain for slavers, in which case your actions are still pretty abhorrent from an ethical point of view, what with collateral concerns n'all (plus the fact that you'll probably be killing a whole bunch of slaves). It would also void any and all eligibility for our support from an IC perspective.

Actually the AID does NOT work like that. It's a really complex (sci-fi level) device that we'll explain in a TG later.
Don't worry, we have no intention of annihilating their environment or committing genocide. And we have zero intention of expansion, territory wise, we are UNDERPOPULATED in RP.

OCC: I've done a quick google search on "Atmosphere Ignition Device" and all I get are results about weapons that ignite the entire atmosphere in one explosive reaction - literally setting the atmosphere on fire resulting in an explosion. Most of these results describe the affect setting off the entire planet's atmosphere in one big deathly fiery explosion, but I didn't read too much into any of this so im going off what I skimmed. If you couldn't guess, setting off the entire planet's atmosphere kills everyone and anything remotely called alive I imagine. If this is somehow incorrect to what you're speaking of, it's on you to explain to people what this "weapon" is supposed to be. Why you'd wish to explain it over TGs and not just speak of it here makes no sense since you plan to use it here anyways. But I encourage you to read the title of this thread one more time, specifically the "mt" tag portion, since "sci-fi"and MT often aren't supposed entangle by basic definition.

On a general note everyone, there's a few things I believe need saying:

Firstly, Munkchester is correct in his point concerning war. Any rational nation does not declare a war and strives for invasion because your rival treats its citizens like dog shit in one manner or another. Regardless of the political differences being elevated here, declaring war because a nation doesn't subscribe to your political stance on a topic - or because their citizens don't share the same rights/views as yours - is not the rational stance of any nation when attempting to be realistic. If these were legitimate views, hundreds of nations would be at war with hundreds of other nations; half the planet would be attempting to invade America per their views, same goes for China, Russia, and basically any other nation on the planet. China has concentration camps, North Korea has work camps, and the super-vast majority of nations on Earth don't even have semblances of freedom of speech. If the points above are enough justification for wars, how many of you reading are susceptible to being invaded because your nation doesn't fit the cookie-cutter? Going to war because one nation treats your darling political figures worse off is like slapping your sister for not playing with the toys according to your tastes. There are of course paths to eventually going to war, but Munk's complaint was the people skipped that process and wish to display their hypocrisy immediately. Any rational nation here, ignoring the slavery topic, would not take serious diplomatic action against Munkchester. Yes nations in RL would take some form of political action possibly, but on NS the most rational option would be to use economic and diplomatic actions to send your message across. If you can't see why fighting a war is beyond hypocritical in this scenario (you honestly should tbh), let me give you a TL:DR version: Millions of people die in "inhumane" fighting, millions of vehicles and equipment burn stinky smog into the air while chugging fuel, infrastructure that's good go bye-bye, your nations are probably just as pollutant as Munks is, and you have to think to yourself "Was causing the deaths of untold millions, bringing trillions of NSD worth of damage upon the planet, really saving the world from climate related political points?" People are already speaking of superweapons that will destroy the planet or flop pies in their face - asking if this is realistic or rational is perfectly justified.

Secondly, this is the OP's RP. The OP sets the tone for the entire RP since they also set the rules. I've seen it argued back-and-forth on whether it's "fun" and "how" one should RP. We have to remember that this thread is governed by an OP who's openly stated some terms to how things should look, and their version of fun has been stated fairly clear here already. Those who wanted an immediate war have gotten their wish for a thread to be made too. So why is there still arguing here about it? It feels to me some people forget that not every RP with a political situation is aimed at or should be a war thread. There are plenty of political, diplomatic, and character driven threads where war isn't the topic - war isn't the only style of RP on this site. If Munkchester wanted a fiercely diplomatic conflict thread where nations diplomatically retaliated to this news, he is in the right to have his thread setup that way - maybe state so from the get-go next time? It's not about how many people war you or support you, it's about what sort of conflict the OP wished to have with this thread.

Lastly, before people jump to conclusions, I am not posting in support of anything IC I haven't stated to. I know Munk probably better than most of you here and am well aware of his intentions behind this and all his threads. My posts have been aimed at helping people who are here reading from getting mixed up on issues that're present; that and maybe doing a little educating as well for anyone willing to learn/hear me out. If you must know, my nation doesn't care for slavery in the slightest, it detests fake alarmism that Munk has tried to point out, and yes, I despise the player behind Munk with good reasons behind those feelings. So with that said, I urge everyone to cool their heads and refrain from biting the hook that's being displayed before it's used against you in a Moderation thread. Also Munk, I'd consider swapping this to an OOC thread or making an OOC thread if you intend to continue the series of OOC posts without clogging your IC thread.

[Tornado Queendom]

Since this appears to have become a discussion thread, I'll throw in my 2 cents. What you're referring to is, I'm assuming, a thermobaric explosive of some kind. Which seems entirely counterproductive if you're declaring hostilities over an environmental concern - firebombing isn't exactly carbon-neutral. Unless you don't actually care about the environmentalist side of things, and are just doing this for the sake of expansion and/or out of a disdain for slavers, in which case your actions are still pretty abhorrent from an ethical point of view, what with collateral concerns n'all (plus the fact that you'll probably be killing a whole bunch of slaves). It would also void any and all eligibility for our support from an IC perspective.

Actually the AID does NOT work like that. It's a really complex (sci-fi level) device that we'll explain in a TG later.
Don't worry, we have no intention of annihilating their environment or committing genocide. And we have zero intention of expansion, territory wise, we are UNDERPOPULATED in RP.

Even if it destroys the planet, you still get the Firenado Girls who will still fight back. Really, the only method of destruction for tornado girls would be things that would be even MORE inhumane.

[Common Territories]

Actually the AID does NOT work like that. It's a really complex (sci-fi level) device that we'll explain in a TG later.
Don't worry, we have no intention of annihilating their environment or committing genocide. And we have zero intention of expansion, territory wise, we are UNDERPOPULATED in RP.

Even if it destroys the planet, you still get the Firenado Girls who will still fight back. Really, the only method of destruction for tornado girls would be things that would be even MORE inhumane.

OOC: Okay, im gonna be the one to ask. What in the actual flying fuck is a "Firenado Girl?"

[Tornado Queendom]

Even if it destroys the planet, you still get the Firenado Girls who will still fight back. Really, the only method of destruction for tornado girls would be things that would be even MORE inhumane.

OOC: Okay, im gonna be the one to ask. What in the actual flying fuck is a "Firenado Girl?"

OOC: In the YTrojanverse, "Firenado Girls" are Tornado Girls that have been set on Fire. Of course, the effect on their politics is little-studied. Obviously, "Fire People" haven't been created by YTrojan yet. Firenado Girls are rumored to be communist, however.

[The Steamwork]

The Dominion of the Steamwork has banned climate alarmism and imposed laws to destory eco-terroist groups and green anarcist groups.

[Common Territories]

OOC: Okay, im gonna be the one to ask. What in the actual flying fuck is a "Firenado Girl?"

OOC: In the YTrojanverse, "Firenado Girls" are Tornado Girls that have been set on Fire. Of course, the effect on their politics is little-studied. Obviously, "Fire People" haven't been created by YTrojan yet. Firenado Girls are rumored to be communist, however.

OOC: I feel like your answer created more questions than it answered, because I don't know what the flying fuck a tornado girl is, how it can be set on fire, and why that effects their political leanings. Im gonna walk on a limb here and say "Tornado Girls" are tornadoes anthropomorphized as anime girls, judging by your factbook... That's honestly the vibe im getting here.

[Yegla Islands]

OOC: In the YTrojanverse, "Firenado Girls" are Tornado Girls that have been set on Fire. Of course, the effect on their politics is little-studied. Obviously, "Fire People" haven't been created by YTrojan yet. Firenado Girls are rumored to be communist, however.

OOC: I feel like your answer created more questions than it answered, because I don't know what the flying fuck a tornado girl is, how it can be set on fire, and why that effects their political leanings. Im gonna walk on a limb here and say "Tornado Girls" are tornadoes anthropomorphized as anime girls, judging by your factbook... That's honestly the vibe im getting here.

I feel like terming this an MT RP has become somewhat infeasible, what with people yeeting planetary atmospheres and anthropomorphizing tornadoes.

nevermind my own nation

[Socialist Heronia]

The Premier, the People's Tribunal, and the Citizen's Congress unilaterally declare banning climate activism to be stupid. However, we seek to maintain a neutral position in any wars that are going on... for now. Any attempts to interfere with our international trade will be met with an immediate embargo in return.