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[Munkcestrian Republic]

No, it's called having an absurdly large military that exists only to dick-wave in RP

Ever heard of mass assault?
Common theme in Communist nations.

Once you hear Death Fiddles, there is no going back.

you really doing this

I mean if I kill 10,000 or 100,000 or 1,000,000 of your troops when they try to invade in some fishing boats it doesn't really make much of a difference to me

[Slavakino]

Any attempt to interfere with shipping to and from the Munkcestrian Republic will be taken as an act of war.

George Fenwick
Lord President
(Image)

Buddy check my military factbook before making rash decisions.

Due to the threats of Servilis, Slavakino sends a letter for them to cease their actions and threats against other nations.

- Government of Slavakino, Vladimir Tito

[Nogodia]

Our punishments for this are up to life imprisonment or death by suffocating on cow farts.

In the mean time, we're just gonna quickly send in a Freibrigade to occupy this nation.

[Slavakino]

Our punishments for this are up to life imprisonment or death by suffocating on cow farts.

In the mean time, we're just gonna quickly send in a Freibrigade to occupy this nation.

Would you like some Mechs and Tanks with that order?

[Nogodia]

In the mean time, we're just gonna quickly send in a Freibrigade to occupy this nation.

Would you like some Mechs and Tanks with that order?

No thank you.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

"These blatant attacks against the freedom of speech, thought, political expression, and the right to gather and petition the government for the redress of grievances consistently verified by the scientific literature make it clear that the Munkcestrian Republic is a dictatorship in all but name, and not only that, its leadership is so deluded that it engages in unfounded conspiracy theories by labelling all environmentalist movements, regardless of their actual political affiliation, as part of an alleged "communist conspiracy" to "undermine capitalism and traditional values", nevermind the fact that market-based solutions to carbon dioxide emissions exist and can be deployed without having to adopt socialism as an state ideology.

With these facts in mind along with the Munkcestrian regime's blatant denial of well-established scientific literature, the Confederation of Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia is officially severing all diplomatic and economic ties with the Munkcestrian Republic, and is officially imposing an total embargo on every corporation and product produced within said nation as a punishment of their authoritarianism, along with their anti-intellectual and Neo-Luddite rhetoric. Let this be a lesson to anyone who still seriously indulges in long debunked conspiracy theories and
anti-science canards."
Daniel Adamec,
Prime Minister of Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia

[Italy and Libya]

Presidente della Federazione Italiana e Libia
رئيس اتحاد إيطاليا وليبيا

Dear George Fenwick, Lord President of the Munkcestrian Republic

I wish to express my concern at your treatment of those protesting to protect our planet.
Climate change is a real and very serious threat, with over 98% of scientists agreeing upon it's existence.
While I agree that the education of children is vital, I see no point in educating an entire generation of children if we are not willing to ensure that we hand the planet to them as it was handed to us, in a habitable and safe condition.
We are all aware that our summers are getting hotter and winters colder, this is a real and serious threat that could render parts of our planet uninhabitable in the near future, and the government of the Federation of Italy and Libya hold it in high priority to prevent such disasters. It therefore seems distasteful to us for people of such significance as yourself to quiet clearly deny the validity of science.
I personally hope that you change your direction on the most important issue of the next 100 years, and you shall be remembered as being on the right side of history for generations to come.
I would also like to extend an offer to those who are at risk of being arrested in Munkchester, of safe passage to and refuge in the Federation of Italy and Libya.

Sincerely and most disappointed,
Luigi Di Maio,
President of the Federation of Italy and Libya

[Munkcestrian Republic]

OOC: No, it's an unbelievably stupid move that makes no sense.

OOC: No, it's actually a very reasonable move. Nations that impose such laws and deny climate change are a threat to the world, a major threat, even. Implementing such laws as banning climate activism, that's the stupid move here, if you ask me.

OOC: No, it's an unbelievably stupid move that makes no sense.

OOC: We threatened your tiny government for committing gross human rights violations. You have time to surrender before occupation. With Tornado, the Rander declaration is an IC statement we have that grants us a legal military casus belli regarding state-backed slavery.

Slavery is a good enough casus belli - plenty of wars have been fought on NS over that. Of course, Munkchester also has slaves so I don't know why you haven't used that for me too. But you're responding to climate change denial with "surrender, extradite your government, and we'll take over your country. if you don't agree, it's war". Economic sanctions? Understandable, though this is the NS world so they'd have close to no impact and I don't imagine many nations would be trading with a slaver state in the first place. Strongly-worded condemnations? Also understandable. Declarations of war? yeah uh

And what sort of environmental impact do you think moving a fleet across the NS world - a planet much, much larger than our own - is going to have?

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Our punishments for this are up to life imprisonment or death by suffocating on cow farts.

In the mean time, we're just gonna quickly send in a Freibrigade to occupy this nation.

Have you considered how any of this is going to actually work

[Common Territories]

Oppress? Oppose, more like.


No, it's called having an absurdly large military that exists only to dick-wave in RP

Ever heard of mass assault?
Common theme in Communist nations.

Once you hear Death Fiddles, there is no going back.

OOC:I didn't wish to post here, but seeing some of these figures made me think that posting something for newer people who are actually here for the first time (and not puppets) was a good idea.

"Recruitment" and "mass assault" are not excuses why this is viable; the latter is a strategy that China proves was dead in the 80s when it lost more men than it gained land against Vietnam in their brief conflict. You don't even share a land border with Munk, which you need if you hope to overwhelm with troops. Munk's point was that you are drafting so many people that it will affect your ability to wage war, have an economy, and have manpower to man what's left of your economy in the first place. For those who aren't entirely aware, the rule of thumb for military populations is that your nation needs two things: A certain level of both military and civilian population to achieve goals, and to never, ever, cross the 5% margin unless you're in a dire situation - like a world war for example. Most nations should go for 2-3 percent at most because this is under draft requirements and still allows for hefty manpower and good production limits - 4 being the absolute limit to peacetime population. 4% and 5% are the beginnings of the draft your nation needs to fill positions, 5% being the point where it will begin negatively affecting your nation with no benefits seen - in case none of you are aware, drafts generally are bad, m'kay? You sir/madam have a military population that's about roughly 14% of your population. The consequences of such a figure are as stated above, greatly detrimental to your nation's health especially since it's 9% more painful. Including everything from an economy that will collapse on itself without the manpower it needs to grow/sustain itself, the ability to produce or maintain the equipment you'll need to wage war, and of course, have an actual economy in the first place to help pay off that mountain of debt you're racking up, your nation will see dark times that get worse over time multiplied by 9%. Munk's comment about killing 1 million men in fishing boats wasn't entirely a joke, because affording anything else with such a military population is near impossible. Remember, you have to equip, train, and maintain these people along with paying them for their service - not doing so has consequences of its own. In general, the only people who use more than 5% are people who generally don't know better or who do it purposely for whatever reason they come up with.

But lets take the Soviet Union for example since "Mass Assault" was named. Its population in 1941 was 170,548,000 people. Over 34,476,700 people served in the Red Army during war years; they became so desperate that they even started drafting women because the overall death count for the Soviets was theorized to be over 40 million with civilian casualties. So you could say in the end they had likely more people serve overall, give or take. That means roughly 20% of their population was drafted into the military during the war at any time. If you're unaware how devastated the Soviet Union was after the war, I encourage you to research it because war time Soviet Union was not a nice place one bit.

And all I'll say about the actual topic of the thread is this: Munk has a point, some of you are proving it (if you're real that is) and showing extreme hypocrisy, and if you attack someone militarily for any reason, they have every right to respond to you with military force as well.

[Nogodia]

In the mean time, we're just gonna quickly send in a Freibrigade to occupy this nation.

Have you considered how any of this is going to actually work

Of course we have. We're writing our formal declarations and the posts for transporting them.
One does not simply declare war without knowing how.

[Daarwyrth]

OOC: And this is why I was reluctant to join NS RP all this time, out-of-character bickering and drama. If this is going to be a left vs right thing then I'm out, sorry. You can consider Daarwyrth's responses on these RP forums as null and void.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

OOC: And this is why I was reluctant to join NS RP all this time. If this is going to be a left vs right thing then I'm out, sorry. You can consider Daarwyrth's responses on these RP forums as null and void.

OOC: Understandable I didn't intend for this to be a left-right conflict (and i do have a Titoist nation supporting me so??) or even a war but..

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

OOC: And this is why I was reluctant to join NS RP all this time. If this is going to be a left vs right thing then I'm out, sorry. You can consider Daarwyrth's responses on these RP forums as null and void.

OOC: Understandable I didn't intend for this to be a left-right conflict (and i do have a Titoist nation supporting me so??) or even a war but..

OOC: And all I am doing here are harsh economic sanctions and severing of diplomatic relations. I am not the type to wage war without provocation.

[Yegla Islands]

OOC: War or not, I don't plan on undertaking military action of any sort. I'll probably chuck weapons at random participants every so often, for various reasons, but that's about it. Primarily because a) declaring war over climate activism is somewhat nonsensical, and b) declaring random wars is very much against our typical foreign policy.

[Nogodia]

OOC:
I'm only going to war out of my extremely well defined national stance regarding slavery and anti-scientific nations.
I could switch to Magrick, which would just do sanctions (but is pledging troops out of a common military pact).

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Have you considered how any of this is going to actually work

Of course we have. We're writing our formal declarations and the posts for transporting them.
One does not simply declare war without knowing how.

(still) OOC: May I suggest you read the stuff listed here, here, here, and here?

[Valentine Z]

OOC: I am not supposed to be here, anyway, so.... I will respect that and this will be the last post from me.

With that said, I will be watching the development unfold, because as much as I don't like to war, this is getting interesting.

[-Astoria]

[OOC: if this is going to degenerate into outright war, then you can consider the messages that I have made here null and void.]

[Awhaiti Kaiatu]

The good people of the Clique of Awhaiti have collectively voted that the decision made by the republic of Munkcestrian. We have decided that this notion, to ban protests and the associated parties, is unjust both to the environment and to the good people of that republic.


The people have overwhelming supported the recommendation to be made that all nations use peaceful means to resolve this issue. We are reluctant to become involved in conflict as a war would further damage the environment, and the good people of all nations. Awhaiti therefore recommends any nation involved in aggression to cease this, and to have peaceful discussions to de-escalate this issue.



- Authorised Ngawhaiti respondent

[Yuyencia]

yuyencia are respect munkchester mans nation polis decision

[Satuga]

OOC: are people able to respond without threatening war

OOC: M8 your nation just declared that people attempting to better the world should have their lives ruined, how did you not see the fact more democratic nations would have a very large issue with this lol.

[New Cabo Azul]

IC: We stand with Astoria and Valentine Z, as well as all truly democratic nations. Eric Schneider has also condemned these disgusting Draconian restrictions on free thought and speech. Seeing the Munkcestrian Republic's shameful history of (rather hypocritically) censoring those they disagree with politically, while claiming they stand for free speech, we shall have no choice but to enact sanctions on the Munkcestrian "Republic."

OOC: And this is why I was reluctant to join NS RP all this time. If this is going to be a left vs right thing then I'm out, sorry. You can consider Daarwyrth's responses on these RP forums as null and void.

OOC: Understandable I didn't intend for this to be a left-right conflict (and i do have a Titoist nation supporting me so??) or even a war but..[/quote]

OOC: I see this more as a conflict between democratic and authoritarian governments. Free speech is a right deserved by all. At least, that's why I posted.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

OOC:I didn't wish to post here, but seeing some of these figures made me think that posting something for newer people who are actually here for the first time (and not puppets) was a good idea.

"Recruitment" and "mass assault" are not excuses why this is viable; the latter is a strategy that China proves was dead in the 80s when it lost more men than it gained land against Vietnam in their brief conflict. You don't even share a land border with Munk, which you need if you hope to overwhelm with troops. Munk's point was that you are drafting so many people that it will affect your ability to wage war, have an economy, and have manpower to man what's left of your economy in the first place. For those who aren't entirely aware, the rule of thumb for military populations is that your nation needs two things: A certain level of both military and civilian population to achieve goals, and to never, ever, cross the 5% margin unless you're in a dire situation - like a world war for example. Most nations should go for 2-3 percent at most because this is under draft requirements and still allows for hefty manpower and good production limits - 4 being the absolute limit to peacetime population. 4% and 5% are the beginnings of the draft your nation needs to fill positions, 5% being the point where it will begin negatively affecting your nation with no benefits seen - in case none of you are aware, drafts generally are bad, m'kay? You sir/madam have a military population that's about roughly 14% of your population. The consequences of such a figure are as stated above, greatly detrimental to your nation's health especially since it's 9% more painful. Including everything from an economy that will collapse on itself without the manpower it needs to grow/sustain itself, the ability to produce or maintain the equipment you'll need to wage war, and of course, have an actual economy in the first place to help pay off that mountain of debt you're racking up, your nation will see dark times that get worse over time multiplied by 9%. Munk's comment about killing 1 million men in fishing boats wasn't entirely a joke, because affording anything else with such a military population is near impossible. Remember, you have to equip, train, and maintain these people along with paying them for their service - not doing so has consequences of its own. In general, the only people who use more than 5% are people who generally don't know better or who do it purposely for whatever reason they come up with.

But lets take the Soviet Union for example since "Mass Assault" was named. Its population in 1941 was 170,548,000 people. Over 34,476,700 people served in the Red Army during war years; they became so desperate that they even started drafting women because the overall death count for the Soviets was theorized to be over 40 million with civilian casualties. So you could say in the end they had likely more people serve overall, give or take. That means roughly 20% of their population was drafted into the military during the war at any time. If you're unaware how devastated the Soviet Union was after the war, I encourage you to research it because war time Soviet Union was not a nice place one bit.

And all I'll say about the actual topic of the thread is this: Munk has a point, some of you are proving it (if you're real that is) and showing extreme hypocrisy, and if you attack someone militarily for any reason, they have every right to respond to you with military force as well.

also: the idea that the Soviets used "mass assault"/"human wave"/[whatever you want to call it] attacks outside of the Winter War (where they were used because the Red Army had literally just been purged and it still wasn't quite as stupid as it's been made out to be in popular culture - there was significant support and they were actually somewhat effective) and very specific situations on the Eastern Front is pretty much a myth (and of course you can debate if it's a result of Nazi propaganda or not).

so, yeah. not an expert or anything though so .

[Munkcestrian Republic]

OOC: are people able to respond without threatening war

OOC: M8 your nation just declared that people attempting to better the world should have their lives ruined, how did you not see the fact more democratic nations would have a very large issue with this lol.

it is possible to respond to something without declaring war, you know.