SR Expansionist War (OOC Thread)

[Jasonvillee]

Hey, militias are pretty nice

So this goes in turns right?

[South Reinkalistan]

Yes. The turns are so far:

South Reinkalistan
Ravencorps
Archipelago
Daejong
Gebeta
Mryasia
Jasonvillee

It is currently Jasonvillee's turn, as Mryasia made their debut.

[Daejong]

I have my post ready, I just need to consult it with someone first.

[South Reinkalistan]

I have my post ready, I just need to consult it with someone first.

*prepares imaginary defences*

[The Archipelago Territory]

I have my post ready, I just need to consult it with someone first.

Okay, tg me when it’s up.

[Daejong]

Okay. Do correct me if I am wrong, because I was basing my post off information from PMs; but here it is.

To note, as far as I remember, Reinkalistan told me that the third Dontrek is almost entirely focused in one area, camping just outside the mountains - which means that its going to be very vulnerable to a massed artillery strike like the one Daejongi army had just carried ut. I would expect the level of causalities to result in destruction of the force - effectively being halved, loosing cohesion an combat capability. We can agree that due to that, as soon as Daejongi advance is spotted, the Dontrek will begin a panic retreat to the capital - which will most likely evade the Daejongi pursuer, who is fitted with far inferior level of mechanization.

The dontrek that is dispersed will fare better, as it's dispersion will to a degree negate the effects of the massed artillery strikes. It will, however, suffer casualities about 25% of the entire force, which will result in disruption - this means temporary loss of combat capability. Likely resulting in the Dontrek being pushed back against the river and forcing to defend itself against a vastly superior enemy.

In any case, if it follows this way, I would suggest Reinkalistan to gather his forces to defend his capital, which will likely be the next target of Daejongi offensive, as Daejongi will likely plan to end the war before the Raven corps forces can reach the theater. Due to lower level of mechanisation, it will likely take the Daejongi two to three days to reach it - a time that could be used to reorganize and prepare the defenses which will reduce the impacts of massed artillery strikes like the one that just had been carried. The buildings in the city itself will help in that regard as well.

Then, it will be the question of weather Reinkalistan can hold until Raven Corps comes with a relief... or not.

[Mryasia]

Can I join.

Uh... this is getting pretty crowded as an RP. I'll have to ask if the others are okay.

I posted a thing in the ic yay, anyways this is my first time rping in the forums

Yeah, that's a pretty good and comprehensive ORBAT - although can I just ask a few things:

A: Could you please flesh out the situation in the Myrasian capital a bit more? Perhaps apply 'show not tell'. Include interactions between the characters in the Myrasian government - there are very distinct characters in the current combatants. Archipelago has a doesn't-play-by-the-rules-yet-skilled officer character, Ravencorps has a charismatic female delegate, Daejong has a war-hawk general, while I have a badass elitist hanging around the capital. Each nation partaking has a distinct set of characters in the government who are all independent in their own right. This isn't a criticism of your post - just saying that it's better for immersion (for yourself and others) for each nation to describe the events occurring around their country.

B: Where are you on the map? Do you border anyone, and if so who? Or are you a faraway power sending forces over vast distances to further your nation's interests? (It doesn't have to mimic your nation's borders - this is an RP scenario after all)

C: Could you scale down your population, GDP and soldiers, just for this scenario? We're playing by 'European' standards, so to speak. You don't need to edit your factbook - just put your preferred stats here. If I had to recommend some stats, here's what I'd go for:

Population: 70,000,000
GDP: 3 trillion
Army: 150,000 (+conscripts)

This would put your nation more in balance. You have a strong economy and high population, although your army could be in better shape - it is small, albeit fairly modern. It can later be bulked up with conscripts, which, owing to your large population, will be a great boon to your country. Of course, you don't have to go by these stats, and can make your own if you wish. But just try and keep in mind the relative army sizes of the other nations competing - we'll also have a map so nobody can pull troops out of their ass. We don't want a steam-roll with armies numbering the millions clashing in titanic battles that would (realistically) cripple all combatants within days.

I'm primarily in Indonesia, however my troops spread far and wide, that's why I have a large military in the first place, evenly spreading

[Gebeta]

My forces are massively outgunned.
Take it this is supposed to be a full on war? If so I can play the part of the overseas ally that has to ship in units.

[Raven Corps]

My forces will likely be entering the battle-space soon by being within missile strike range.

[South Reinkalistan]

My forces are massively outgunned.
Take it this is supposed to be a full on war? If so I can play the part of the overseas ally that has to ship in units.

Sure thing, man. Go ahead.

[The Archipelago Territory]

Maybe let’s not go in turns because then we have to wait and that limits the RP

[Daejong]

Perhaps we will stop clogging the IC thread with useless OOC chatter?

Other than that, I do highly recommend the OP to make a rule that will require people here to write at least one paragraph of text if they want to continue their participation.

[The Archipelago Territory]

What do you mean by that?

[Daejong]

What do you mean by that?

That one liner posts would not be tolerated, that's what.

[The Archipelago Territory]

What do you mean by that?

That one liner posts would not be tolerated, that's what.

On the OOC or IC thread? One liners on the OOC are perfectly fine but on the IC they’re bad because they would be too short.

[Daejong]

My forces will likely be entering the battle-space soon by being within missile strike range.

BTW, I think that you have not answered my point about number of your ships, and OP still hadn't expressed his opinion on it.

And @Archipelago, IC.

[The Archipelago Territory]

My forces will likely be entering the battle-space soon by being within missile strike range.

BTW, I think that you have not answered my point about number of your ships, and OP still hadn't expressed his opinion on it.

And @Archipelago, IC.

Oh yeah, then I definitely support that.

[Mryasia]

My forces are massively outgunned.
Take it this is supposed to be a full on war? If so I can play the part of the overseas ally that has to ship in units.

Sure thing, man. Go ahead.

What are the current turn orders? Has Jasonville made any posts?

[The Archipelago Territory]

Sure thing, man. Go ahead.

What are the current turn orders? Has Jasonville made any posts?

we're not really using turns yet, and I think you can skip him because he hasn't posted yet.

[Gebeta]

I'm not gonna lie, but unrealistic sized forces are ehh. I know my nation can support stupid large numbers too, but then it looses fun. I once had a rp where one radar site was bombed by 1200 F117s.

[Raven Corps]

thats dumb... mainly because the F117's are trash aircraft lol

[South Reinkalistan]

Something to ask about Daejong's post? Are the blue lines on your post airstrike maps? If so, then you've completely missed my fleet, which is based further west - check the map I posted earlier.

When you respond, I will post. Just clarifying, haha!

Also, nice news broadcast! I can't help but laugh - King Sarkos is amused by the strict Christian Fundamentalism. After the broadcast, Monti Tchu was restrained following an attempt to mail explicit homosexual films to the Daejongi foreign office.

Either way, will meet you with my post. You underestimate the tenacity of Reinkalistani Commanders, Jinseong.

[Daejong]

Something to ask about Daejong's post? Are the blue lines on your post airstrike maps? If so, then you've completely missed my fleet, which is based further west - check the map I posted earlier.

When you respond, I will post. Just clarifying, haha!

Also, nice news broadcast! I can't help but laugh - King Sarkos is amused by the strict Christian Fundamentalism. After the broadcast, Monti Tchu was restrained following an attempt to mail explicit homosexual films to the Daejongi foreign office.

Either way, will meet you with my post. You underestimate the tenacity of Reinkalistani Commanders, Jinseong.

No, blue lines designate areas of responsibility for each corps, and advance limits for them by the end of single day. I don't think that SRBM can even hit your fleet, hence an attempt to deny it supply by destroying it's port facilities .

It has nothing to do with tenacity, frankly - it has to do with the fact that damage from the bombardment will be so tremendous that it will result in shattering of command & control network and loss of fighting cohesion.

[South Reinkalistan]

No, blue lines designate areas of responsibility for each corps, and advance limits for them by the end of single day. I don't think that SRBM can even hit your fleet, hence an attempt to deny it supply by destroying it's port facilities .

It has nothing to do with tenacity, frankly - it has to do with the fact that damage from the bombardment will be so tremendous that it will result in shattering of command & control network and loss of fighting cohesion.

Well, I'll do the best I can, but it appears to me (and don't take this the wrong way) you're pulling a 'Newark', as I like to put it, after the idiot from my original, non MT-post. Appearing with overwhelming force and attacking with enough power to destroy all hope of resistance in the first post is, let's say, boring. After all, a Christofascist North Korea with cold war tech, as you put it, shouldn't be able to wreak so much havoc on a modern and developed nation such as South Reinkalistan, even with a surprise attack. Isn't your administration obscenely corrupt, anyhow? It can't be an absolute monarchy, based on the fact that there is widespread opposition to reform from reactionary bureaucrats. How could a declaration of war and army mobilisation come so quickly? While the military is on your side, it appears every other arm of government wouldn't exactly be happy with your decision, and try to slow it down as much as possible.

Either way, I'm going to play the 'you take a liberty, I take a liberty' game, and have all three Dontrek HQs survive the attack, and have the missiles going further in be intercepted by surface-to-air functions and the remaining Tunchix fighters - bombing airports is all well and good, but have you seen the Reinkalistani air force? You're attacking empty runways! Most of it's at sea, and the rest is based at the capital. Having the entire Royal Family and General Staff wiped out isn't fun. You aren't the only person in this RP, Daejong. There's still a war to be fought with archipelago and the other combatants.

[Daejong]

Appearing with overwhelming force and attacking with enough power to destroy all hope of resistance in the first post is, let's say, boring. After all, a Christofascist North Korea with cold war tech, as you put it, shouldn't be able to wreak so much havoc on a modern and developed nation such as South Reinkalistan, even with a surprise attack.

Except, if you have read my post, you know that there isn't going to be a total annihilation. As far as I have understood, only one Dontrek had been massed. Cold war era technology or not, 1960s era HE munitions employed against a massed force are still going to be lethal, especially when employed against non-hardened targets that have massed in one area. After all, in modern conflicts 40% of causalities are results of indirect fire, and supporting arms have been a crucial part of warfare ever since WW I. In fact, massed artillery fire is a massive part of North Korea's military doctrine, and one of ways in which it's hoping to neutralize the technological advantage of DPRK and US.

Isn't your administration obscenely corrupt, anyhow? It can't be an absolute monarchy, based on the fact that there is widespread opposition to reform from reactionary bureaucrats. How could a declaration of war and army mobilisation come so quickly? While the military is on your side, it appears every other arm of government wouldn't exactly be happy with your decision, and try to slow it down as much as possible.

The two armies were already on the border before the conflict had even started . Daejong does not need to pull the reservists for this one. As for the type of government, Daejng is indeed an absolute monarchy - the Queen has all the power, but that does not mean she is liked, or that the buraucrats would not have wanted her out.

Either way, I'm going to play the 'you take a liberty, I take a liberty' game, and have all three Dontrek HQs survive the attack,

No problem for me - military structures are usually hardened against this kind of attack. Just please RP the damage from indirect fire.

and have the missiles going further in be intercepted by surface-to-air functions and the remaining Tunchix fighters

Don't take this as an attack on your person, but I need to inform you that it's not possible. It would have been possible had the weapon used been a cruise missile akin to Tomahawk. Those missiles fly on flat, cruising trajectory. Advanced SCUD variants fly on ballistic trajectory, at speeds about Mach 3, scratching the atmosphere.

Also, circular error probability on various Hwansong variants is about 1000 - 500 meters - so some of those missiles can easily hit far away from their intended targets.

. Having the entire Royal Family and General Staff wiped out isn't fun

While I could take out general staff - which could be reconstituted later, though it would take a lot of time - taking out the entire reinkalistani air force is impossible. Military airfields are usually hardened against bombardment and I don't see why Reinkalistani ones won't be - hence I envision the SRBM fire doing only limited damage. Concentrate hangars covered by soil are one such example that's commonly used Just RP a certain part of it being destroyed and we are clear .

You aren't the only person in this RP, Daejong. There's still a war to be fought with archipelago and the other combatants.

Except I don't see how what I am doing prevents you from doing everything else. In fact, this is exactly why I sent you that TG about the outcomes a while ago.

Even assuming that the Dontrek that was massed is hit with a massive barrage of artillery fire - and mind you, we are dealing with soldiers camping with little C3D2, against incoming barrage of indirect fire, they are up on an open platter - does not mean that it's wiped out. Sure, it will loose combat cohesion for a brief period of time, but do consider that Daejongi military effectively can't pursure you due to lack of mechanisation - which means it's limited to whatever it's soldiers can reach by foot or bicycle, and will be forced to halt far more often to resupply.

I informed you earlier that if you want to confront Daejongi military, you ought to do it in an area which will give you a way to negate advantages Daejong has. That is why I recommended you to defend in Urban areas - using buildings as cover will greatly negate the indirect fire's effects. Alternatively, withdraw, reorganize, and start digging in - 2 meters of soil will easily stop even a 155mm shell .

Even if the Dontreks are destroyed, you still hadn't lost, because there is still a massive population to be armed. You can, as I have suggested you earlier, form militias to wage guerilla war - which may be far harder for anti-Reinkalistanis to defeat than a conventional force that has little to none mechanized or indirect fire capability .

Oh and for the last, there is the fact that with 10 000 of your soldiers defending the capital, I am going to need somewhat 100 000 to take it .