Klaus' War {OOC|MT|CLOSED}

[Polish Prussian Commonwealth]

Request-Have a link to the IC in the OOC, please.

[The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile]

Request-Have a link to the IC in the OOC, please.

I am deliberately leaving the link in the post for a time because I want to be sure that people see the notice to read all of the guidelines. If I put a link to the IC at the front of the thread someone’s likely to jump right in and make a post before reading the rules.

I’ll update the link once I’m sure.

[First American Empire]

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I love that you're fleshing out your characters here and asking for feedback. It seems like the three characters will have room for plenty of conflict with each other and with Capile.

Besides the fact that I personally did not enjoy reading it for a couple of reasons, your IC post makes no sense because you somehow have an entire army already in Nova Capile and you also don't have an official message of support for your Nova Capile faction. And what is this 'Reiburg Tunnel'?

Let's try for more constructive criticism, please.

The Reiburg Tunnel is something we informally agreed about a few days ago, though I actually forgot about it. I believe FAE had said that it's basically an underwater tunnel that goes from Nova Capile to an area were FAE is capable of deploying troops. Take that however you will. And the gimmick of it is that if the VF is able to conquer Reiburg and simply cover up/destroy the tunnel, then FAE will be cut off from Capile.

If this breaks your immersion Vanquaria, then I have a few suggestions for FAE.

(Also, I will make an exception for New Decius since, and I should have specified this earlier, our nations are historical allies and it has been established in past RPs that German military bases exist in Capile.)

FAE: I would suggest making some minor edits to your post. Look to Vanquaria and Castelia for excellent examples. I do not mind you beginning the deployment of troops in Capile at the end of your post, just make sure that you don't have your full forces all marshaled and ready to go by the next one. It should take a bit more development. Also, and this is a minor stylistic thing: I would appreciate it if you separated quotes by different characters with spaces.

For example, this:

"John do you like apples?" "No, I do not like apples."

Becomes:

"John, do you like apples?'

"No, I do not like apples."

It is just a little bit easier to read, and makes it easier to realize who is saying what, which can become confusing in a long dialogue.

One last thing: if the tunnel is still breaking someone's immersion, how would an airbase sound instead? Similar to the previous ideas, except now it makes a little more sense. Say that Reiburg's airfield is the only one large enough to support your aerial deployment, and if it is taken, you can still send troops and supplies, just in much smaller numbers.

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Great posts so far, everyone! Haven't read them fully but it's looking good!

I was basing the Reiburg Tunnel on the Channel Tunnel between England and France. It's something very similar to something that exists in real life, and thus shouldn't be breaking immersion. I do not want to use an airbase, since I had intended to have a weak air force be one of my biggest weaknesses.

Most of my troops are not combat-ready yet, since although my whole force is in Reiburg, almost all of them are still setting up equipment. My army prioritized sending troops through the Reiburg Tunnel first, so we have a lot of useless tank drivers that are sitting in Reiburg waiting for the tanks to move over. General Dietrich intended that the large numbers would scare off an early assault on Reiburg, since the VF doesn't know that only 10,000 of them are actually in fighting condition. (The artillery piece from my post was one of the few exceptions, as Dietrich wanted six M777 Howitzers deployed around the initial encampment.)

I am intending to deliver the official letters of support to the Royalists and the BSU in my second post on Saturday, but I wanted to introduce the characters and the Imperial Expeditionary Force first, since Dietrich and Tassos are going to be the ones to negotiate the terms of aid to the BSU and the Royalists, respectively.

The post will be edited to add line breaks between quotes soon.

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

Hey! I was reading through the controversial posts, and I thought to myself: “Why not add in my opinion as well?” since this RP is keen on hearing everyone’s thoughts.

I was basing the Reiburg Tunnel on the Channel Tunnel between England and France. It's something very similar to something that exists in real life, and thus shouldn't be breaking immersion.

It is very true that it would be odd if people started complaining about a piece of architecture that exists in the real world. I just think that some people might propose that sending 10,000 servicemen through that tunnel with no reporcussions might be a bit of a stretch IC-wise. As somebody who’s actually traveler the Channel Tunnel, I can guarantee to you that sending 10,000 servicemen through there is a hell of a job, both logistically and administratively. I can get why people are a bit confused by what you’ve written.

Most of my troops are not combat-ready yet, since although my whole force is in Reiburg, almost all of them are still setting up equipment. My army prioritized sending troops through the Reiburg Tunnel first, so we have a lot of useless tank drivers that are sitting in Reiburg waiting for the tanks to move over. General Dietrich intended that the large numbers would scare off an early assault on Reiburg, since the VF doesn't know that only 10,000 of them are actually in fighting condition. (The artillery piece from my post was one of the few exceptions, as Dietrich wanted six M777 Howitzers deployed around the initial encampment.)

I’m sure sending in tens of thousands of troops with no political legitimacy, invitation or cause of action is a really good idea. Actually, now that I think about it: with no support from any factions and the immediate deployment of troops overnight, I wouldn’t be shocked if my nation’s government saw the deployment of imperial american troops as an invasion and an attack on Compile sovereignty.

I am intending to deliver the official letters of support to the Royalists and the BSU in my second post on Saturday, but I wanted to introduce the characters and the Imperial Expeditionary Force first, since Dietrich and Tassos are going to be the ones to negotiate the terms of aid to the BSU and the Royalists, respectively.

The post will be edited to add line breaks between quotes soon.

With several tens of thousands of troops within your territory, you can’t really “negotiate the terms of aid” - also - “terms of aid”? That sounds like mafia business. “We’ll give you protection if you comply to our terms of aid, capiche?” And frankly, it is. If your nation has tens of thousands of foreign troops in it, you can’t be honest in negotiations. It sounds like you’ll have the strength to force the royalists to do things that are good for you. As long as there are Imperial troops in Compile, I don’t think that having an honest agreement is even possible lol

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

"”Non-military supplies and financial aid is already being sent. We've also organized an expeditionary force of 100,000 men, sir, and additional forces are on standby. The first wave are already on their way to Nova Capile, commanded by General Richard Klaxton." came the answer of Horatio Menzies, current Minister of Defense. Horatio Menzies was a former Army general, possessing actual combat experience both as a soldier and an officer. He was tall, well-built, and stood with all the strength and energy of a younger man, despite being in his late 60's.“

Alright! A minister of defence that served as a grunt? I can’t believe how meritocratic/liberal/flexible these commissions are in the castilian military. An enlisted man / NCO receives a field commission and works his way up to general, only to then go into politics and become the minister of defence? In less than 50 years of service? That’s crazy. I don’t know how you came up with that.

EDIT: That last bit sounds harsh. It’s not meant to be harsh. I wrote “that’s crazy” in an admirable, “woah” kind of sense, not in a “what you’re doing is absolutely mental” kind of way. Sorry if that was confusing.

[Vanquaria]

I very much enjoyed reading New Decius's well-written post and I already knew his nation was already Nova Capile's ally so there was no confusion about the scene of his military advisor already being on the frontlines against the fascists.

[First American Empire]

Hey! I was reading through the controversial posts, and I thought to myself: “Why not add in my opinion as well?” since this RP is keen on hearing everyone’s thoughts.

It is very true that it would be odd if people started complaining about a piece of architecture that exists in the real world. I just think that some people might propose that sending 10,000 servicemen through that tunnel with no reporcussions might be a bit of a stretch IC-wise. As somebody who’s actually traveler the Channel Tunnel, I can guarantee to you that sending 10,000 servicemen through there is a hell of a job, both logistically and administratively. I can get why people are a bit confused by what you’ve written.

Assuming the Reiburg Tunnel has the same capacity as the Channel Tunnel, it has an average passenger capacity of 60,000 per day, which means I can send all my Expeditionary Force personnel over in two days. Transporting vehicles and equipment, however, is a massive logistical nightmare that's going to take several months. The tunnel was never designed to transport tanks.

I’m sure sending in tens of thousands of troops with no political legitimacy, invitation or cause of action is a really good idea. Actually, now that I think about it: with no support from any factions and the immediate deployment of troops overnight, I wouldn’t be shocked if my nation’s government saw the deployment of imperial american troops as an invasion and an attack on Compile sovereignty.

I'm fully aware that I'm technically violating Capilean sovereignty. I'm completely expecting negative repercussions for doing this. We do have a cause of action (the Fascist attack against Saxtonburg) but we definitely don't have political legitimacy or invitation yet, and might not get it at all. Our Ministry of Foreign Affairs is currently in chaos due to our Foreign Minister's sudden death, so all diplomacy with Nova Capile is currently being handled by General Lara Dietrich and Ambassador Grigoris Tassos, who... aren't exactly the most qualified people to handle the diplomatic situation here.

With several tens of thousands of troops within your territory, you can’t really “negotiate the terms of aid” - also - “terms of aid”? That sounds like mafia business. “We’ll give you protection if you comply to our terms of aid, capiche?” And frankly, it is. If your nation has tens of thousands of foreign troops in it, you can’t be honest in negotiations. It sounds like you’ll have the strength to force the royalists to do things that are good for you. As long as there are Imperial troops in Compile, I don’t think that having an honest agreement is even possible lol

I only have 100,000 troops. The Royalists have 2.8 million troops, so they outnumber me 28 to 1. "Mafia business", as you call it, is actually somewhat in-character for my nation. (We are still America, after all.) However, my forces aren't actually as big relative to the major factions as you think, so our troops don't give us much bargaining power except with local forces near Reiburg.

The "terms of aid" in question will basically be that my nation gives the Royalists and BSU weapons and supplies that are only allowed to be used against the VF, with our aid being revoked if they break the terms. The Imperial Expeditionary Force is prohibited from outright shooting at the non-VF factions unless it is attacked first, no matter what the circumstances are.

[Polish Prussian Commonwealth]

Withdrawing, sorry.

[First American Empire]

Sorry guys, sprained middle finger today. May take a day or two.

Really sorry for the setback.

It was during a basketball match with friends.

Get well soon, Eternal Lotharia.

[The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile]

Sorry to hear about your injury, Lotharia. Get well soon.

As for the Reiburg Tunnel, I don't really care, it doesn't bother me that much. However, I would still suggest that FAE prefaces their deployment with a communication to the factions.

As Limburg has pointed out, the sudden and unexplained deployment of foreign troops to Royalist territory would almost absolutely be seen as an invasion. Regardless of the state of your Foreign Ministry, you cannot simply send troops in with no forewarning or approval. The garrison at Reiburg would likely see it as an enemy ploy and open fire on your men.

At least include a letter from Dietrich to the Royalists explaining that you are deploying troops to assist them.

Working on an IC post at the moment. Again, good first posts everyone; I don't mean to be a stickler, I just want us all to be on the same page here.

EDIT: Also, thanks for spacing out the quotes. It improves readability a lot. :)

[New Decius]

Well what about my troops deploying to Royalist territory as a committed ally?

[Atkemri]

The Royalists still own the majority of coastal land right? Just want to make sure I am interpreting the map right before starting my post about shipping supplies.

[Castelia]

Alright! A minister of defence that served as a grunt? I can’t believe how meritocratic/liberal/flexible these commissions are in the castilian military. An enlisted man / NCO receives a field commission and works his way up to general, only to then go into politics and become the minister of defence? In less than 50 years of service? That’s crazy. I don’t know how you came up with that.

EDIT: That last bit sounds harsh. It’s not meant to be harsh. I wrote “that’s crazy” in an admirable, “woah” kind of sense, not in a “what you’re doing is absolutely mental” kind of way. Sorry if that was confusing.

Well, yes, the Castelian military is as much a meritocracy as it is a seniority-based command. In times of war, it's common to see more combat experienced officers be promoted to higher ranks despite being junior in age to their peers. In fact, in IC lore, there had been times where incompetent officers had spent their entire lives as lieutenants, watching younger and more capable officers get promoted.

It's the same for politics, too. Since we don't have elections, political offices are filled by appointment. It's up to the current President to appoint who he wants in every position, though it's tradition to only appoint new politicians when the old ones either die or retire.

[The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile]

Well what about my troops deploying to Royalist territory as a committed ally?

Since we are very close allies, it is assumed that you have already declared for the Royalists. You're good.

The Royalists still own the majority of coastal land right? Just want to make sure I am interpreting the map right before starting my post about shipping supplies.

Yes. The Royalists still own the majority of Capile, it's just that that means they are the easiest to attack.

[New Decius]

I assume we’re using the NS universe for this which works because you and I have some of the same colonial possessions...

Anyway my general initial strategy is the relief of Saxtonburg through reinforcement from sea and air by a Carrier Group to be followed up by airborne operations by several batallions launching from airbases in East Africa.

[The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile]

I assume we’re using the NS universe for this which works because you and I have some of the same colonial possessions...

Anyway my general initial strategy is the relief of Saxtonburg through reinforcement from sea and air by a Carrier Group to be followed up by airborne operations by several batallions launching from airbases in East Africa.

Okay. I wouldn't advise investing too many resources in the defense of Saxtonburg. An operation to rescue what defenders are left might be more successful.

[New Decius]

I assume we’re using the NS universe for this which works because you and I have some of the same colonial possessions...

Anyway my general initial strategy is the relief of Saxtonburg through reinforcement from sea and air by a Carrier Group to be followed up by airborne operations by several batallions launching from airbases in East Africa.

Okay. I wouldn't advise investing too many resources in the defense of Saxtonburg. An operation to rescue what defenders are left might be more successful.

Food for thought

[Castelia]

Castelian forces should arrive after a week. We've earmarked Rochefurt as our landing destination. OP, if ever you'll grant me autonomous command for the first few battles, my main focus of attack will be Stammburg.

[First American Empire]

Sorry to hear about your injury, Lotharia. Get well soon.

As for the Reiburg Tunnel, I don't really care, it doesn't bother me that much. However, I would still suggest that FAE prefaces their deployment with a communication to the factions.

As Limburg has pointed out, the sudden and unexplained deployment of foreign troops to Royalist territory would almost absolutely be seen as an invasion. Regardless of the state of your Foreign Ministry, you cannot simply send troops in with no forewarning or approval. The garrison at Reiburg would likely see it as an enemy ploy and open fire on your men.

At least include a letter from Dietrich to the Royalists explaining that you are deploying troops to assist them.

Working on an IC post at the moment. Again, good first posts everyone; I don't mean to be a stickler, I just want us all to be on the same page here.

EDIT: Also, thanks for spacing out the quotes. It improves readability a lot.

I'm going to deliver all the letters in my second post, which should be up tomorrow.

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

Alright! A minister of defence that served as a grunt? I can’t believe how meritocratic/liberal/flexible these commissions are in the castilian military. An enlisted man / NCO receives a field commission and works his way up to general, only to then go into politics and become the minister of defence? In less than 50 years of service? That’s crazy. I don’t know how you came up with that.

EDIT: That last bit sounds harsh. It’s not meant to be harsh. I wrote “that’s crazy” in an admirable, “woah” kind of sense, not in a “what you’re doing is absolutely mental” kind of way. Sorry if that was confusing.

Well, yes, the Castelian military is as much a meritocracy as it is a seniority-based command. In times of war, it's common to see more combat experienced officers be promoted to higher ranks despite being junior in age to their peers. In fact, in IC lore, there had been times where incompetent officers had spent their entire lives as lieutenants, watching younger and more capable officers get promoted.

It's the same for politics, too. Since we don't have elections, political offices are filled by appointment. It's up to the current President to appoint who he wants in every position, though it's tradition to only appoint new politicians when the old ones either die or retire.

Alright, thanks for the heads up.

I just thought it was interesting how a man that started without a commission managed to get a general’s rank. I’m not saying that it’s impossible for a grunt to become a general, but I don’t think there’s ever been a man that’s reached a general’s rank while starting without a commission in the span of <60 years. So it looks like you’ve got ol’ Achilles as your minister of defence.

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

Hey, I had a bit of an unorthodox idea (I thought that unexpected and extreme playstyles fit in this RP quite nicely). Would writing letters to the Vatican and trying to having them to denounce all of the factions except for Saatland be a legitimate idea?

It would technically put more pressure on nations like FAE, and it would cause for Roman Catholics to flee down South to the Saatland’s borders, or, and hear me out on this one: it would cause Catholic resistance so that the small Catholic populations on their farms would rebel against the tyrranical Royalists and literally engage them in guerrila tactics, delaying their supplies and reinforcements and causing the Saatlanders to capture territory with less resistance?

Sounds like a pretty sick twist to me.

[First American Empire]

It would technically put more pressure on nations like FAE

Why would it put pressure on me? My government isn't Catholic. None of my characters* are Catholic. 80% of my army isn't Catholic. I'm not even hostile to Saatland.


*Lara Dietrich is Lutheran, Grigoris Tassos is Orthodox, and Pari Qanbari is a Shi'a Muslim.

[Castelia]

It would technically put more pressure on nations like FAE

Why would it put pressure on me?

It'll put pressure on you because the very civilians you're supposed to protect are going to be subtly resisting your war efforts.

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

It would technically put more pressure on nations like FAE

Why would it put pressure on me? My government isn't Catholic. None of my characters* are Catholic. 80% of my army isn't Catholic. I'm not even hostile to Saatland.


*Lara Dietrich is Lutheran, Grigoris Tassos is Orthodox, and Pari Qanbari is a Shi'a Muslim.

You’ve got a Catholic populace, and considering that you stand for “liberal values”, your government migt be mocked by the international press.

As far as I see it right now, I’m going to justify aiding the liberals because I see your deployment of troops as an invasion. I’ll be posting on Monday/Tuesday, and, depending on whether the Vatican proposal gets accepted, the OP might propose that international press would absolutely barrage your nation because of your impulsive deployment of troops.

[The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile]

Hmm, the Catholic idea is interesting. However, as Saatland is majority Lutheran, I find it hard to believe that the Vatican would endorse them. If anything, wouldn't the Pope propose peace?

I'll consider it, though, get back to me if you have any further thoughts.

Castelian forces should arrive after a week. We've earmarked Rochefurt as our landing destination. OP, if ever you'll grant me autonomous command for the first few battles, my main focus of attack will be Stammburg.

Alright, sounds good. Your forces may be autonomous but will be closely monitored by the Royalists, and, should the need arise, may be ordered to switch targets in order to prevent a Royalist collapse.

Food for thought

Do whatever you like, just giving you proper forewarning that Saxtonburg will be hard to hold indefinitely.