Klaus' War {OOC|MT|CLOSED}

[Kingdom of Damascus]

What lmfao

Dw my "OOC foes" are competitors only

God, It's so easy to misunderstand things on the internet. Been here for years yet keep doing this.

lol I've noticed that as well. I've noticed communication tends to be much more lax when it's on say voice chat or IRL when compared to say texting. This is namely because when you actually hear another voice you can much more easily interpret emotions and whatnot.

[Huguenotia]

I have created an additional map; this one's a topographic version. It isn't the best, but I wanted to give you all a better idea of what you'll be dealing with when you deploy. Now hopefully you can start making up some strategies.

Also: I plan on posting the IC this Thursday (April 11), probably at some point past 7:00 PDT. This will give me enough time to actually write my opening post, as well as for you to develop your strategies and whatnot. Hope that's not too long for you guys.

This is not a requirement, but if you're itching to start with the RP and have some spare time, I recommend writing a character sketch for your characters. Again, you are not required to have a dynamic character with a fully developed arc, nothing of the sort. But some advanced planning and well thought out characters would go a long way.

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I have fleshed out my RP sample some more

Wonderful; accepted.

when are we starting

See above.

Did Saatland use to have more territory in the past / are there "ethnic Saatlanders" living in royalist-occupied territory?

Good question. The current territory owned by the Republic of Saatland is nowhere near what would actually be considered Saatland. It is just all that the Saatlanders have been able to conquer over the course of a few weeks. The territory which was owned by the original Saatlander rebels (from that other civil war generations before) would extend all the way up to the southern bank of the Saat River (see new topographical map). Past that, the Saatlander identity fizzles out, so that is likely the farthest Saatland would be able to advance and actually integrate into their country.

(Note there is one exception: Stammburg and surrounding territory has very staunch Fascist support, due to the presence of a large military base and many personnel there.)

-Snipped-

Sadly, Klaus has lost all of his once formidable clout.

As far as I know, your nations can't fight each other directly. This isn't your RP war, after all. However, when your troops meet in the field, well, who knows what'll happen next?

Yes, I intended this to be similar to the Spanish Civil War, or any civil war for that matter. So, while your nations won't be in an active state of war, you will most probably meet on the field and do battle with each other. Just under the flag of a Capilean faction, which somehow makes that all okay.

Thanks for accepting me! But word of advice for making maps, or any kind of images with text, always have the text be easily discernible from the background. Black text on black images really doesn’t work. Its the same reason you wouldn’t use a white crayon to draw on a regular piece of paper

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

Quick question: Is white pospherus seen as a chemical weapon in your eyes, and if not, are we allowed to use WP on military targets?

[Vanquaria]

Quick question: Is white pospherus seen as a chemical weapon in your eyes, and if not, are we allowed to use WP on military targets?

Imo it is a chemical weapon if the toxic properties of white phosphorous are utilized.

[Deutschess Kaiserreich]

Quick question: Is white pospherus seen as a chemical weapon in your eyes, and if not, are we allowed to use WP on military targets?

Imo it is a chemical weapon if the toxic properties of white phosphorous are utilized.

It's not a war crime if you're on the winning side.

[Castelia]

Quick question: Is white pospherus seen as a chemical weapon in your eyes, and if not, are we allowed to use WP on military targets?

I don't think it is. It's categorized as an incendiary weapon IRL, however there are strict regulations for its use. I think (1) It's forbidden for use against civilians and (2) It's forbidden for use against military targets in major population centers.

It's up to OP to decide if he wants it available for use, however.

[Vanquaria]

Imo it is a chemical weapon if the toxic properties of white phosphorous are utilized.

It's not a war crime if you're on the winning side.

Weaponized white phosphorous is still a chemical weapon regardless

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

I mean, if I wanted to use it on civilians in IC, I'd ask the OP, but what I really want to know is whether I can send WP ammunition abroad. The convention on certain conventional weapons recognizes that white phosphorus is incendiary ammunition, but the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons has claimed that white phosphorus is illegal and a chemical weapon.

I think having OP's intake on this would be best.

My question is: "Can WP-ammunition (ammunition capable of burning targets) be utilized in the civil war, or is there a ban on WP?" the discussion of whether WP is a chemical weapon or an incendiary weapon is not very important. Ultimately it's up to the OP.

[Vanquaria]

I mean, if I wanted to use it on civilians in IC, I'd ask the OP, but what I really want to know is whether I can send WP ammunition abroad. The convention on certain conventional weapons recognizes that white phosphorus is incendiary ammunition, but the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons has claimed that white phosphorus is illegal and a chemical weapon.

I think having OP's intake on this would be best.

My question is: "Can WP-ammunition (ammunition capable of burning targets) be utilized in the civil war, or is there a ban on WP?" the discussion of whether WP is a chemical weapon or an incendiary weapon is not very important. Ultimately it's up to the OP.

Yeah no shit its up to the OP, dosent mean Nova wouldn't like our input on your question

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

I mean, if I wanted to use it on civilians in IC, I'd ask the OP, but what I really want to know is whether I can send WP ammunition abroad. The convention on certain conventional weapons recognizes that white phosphorus is incendiary ammunition, but the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons has claimed that white phosphorus is illegal and a chemical weapon.

I think having OP's intake on this would be best.

My question is: "Can WP-ammunition (ammunition capable of burning targets) be utilized in the civil war, or is there a ban on WP?" the discussion of whether WP is a chemical weapon or an incendiary weapon is not very important. Ultimately it's up to the OP.

Yeah no shit its up to the OP, dosent mean Nova wouldn't like our input on your question

I feel pretty indifferent to your input to be honest. I'm wondering whether anybody really values it the way you think they do. Not wanting to sound like a dick here, just proposing something.

[Vanquaria]

Yeah no shit its up to the OP, dosent mean Nova wouldn't like our input on your question

I feel pretty indifferent to your input to be honest. I'm wondering whether anybody really values it the way you think they do. Not wanting to sound like a dick here, just proposing something.

I said Nova not you lmfao please

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

I feel pretty indifferent to your input to be honest. I'm wondering whether anybody really values it the way you think they do. Not wanting to sound like a dick here, just proposing something.

I said Nova not you lmfao please

I posed the question, you felt inclined to answer a question that wasn't posed to you, and I claimed that there might not be a lot of people that think that what you say is important. I'm not bothered about whether you think Nova or anybody else thinks what you say is relevant. If you want to go about answering questions that are none of your business, you can go ahead: I don't care. I do care when you start being rude. We can either talk this out via telegrams so that we don't crowd this thread, or you can drop it. Your call.

EDIT: I'm just re-reading what I wrote, and I feel that it's too harsh. What I meant by the last sentence is is that I advise you to either continue in telegrams or to stop having this conversation. I don't think this is going anywhere/ I don't think that this discussion is going to be productive, so I couldn't recommend having it on this thread. I'll leave whether you want to continue the conversation up to you. What I wrote can be easily misinterpreted (that happens a lot on the internet and via text). I'm sorry if what I wrote was difficult to understand.

[Vanquaria]

I said Nova not you lmfao please

I posed the question, you felt inclined to answer a question that wasn't posed to you, and I claimed that there might not be a lot of people that think that what you say is important. I'm not bothered about whether you think Nova or anybody else thinks what you say is relevant. If you want to go about answering questions that are none of your business, you can go ahead: I don't care. I do care when you start being rude. We can either talk this out via telegrams so that we don't crowd this thread, or you can drop it. Your call.

Lmao its good to see that you understand that THE input (I said 'our input', mine + Castelia) is for my boy Nova. And its good to see that what this really is abt is a belief that I'm being rude. My call is that my TGs is for important matters only so if u want to pursue something do anywhere but my inbox

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

I posed the question, you felt inclined to answer a question that wasn't posed to you, and I claimed that there might not be a lot of people that think that what you say is important. I'm not bothered about whether you think Nova or anybody else thinks what you say is relevant. If you want to go about answering questions that are none of your business, you can go ahead: I don't care. I do care when you start being rude. We can either talk this out via telegrams so that we don't crowd this thread, or you can drop it. Your call.

Lmao its good to see that you understand that THE input (I said 'our input', mine + Castelia) is for my boy Nova. And its good to see that what this really is abt is a belief that I'm being rude. My call is that my TGs is for important matters only so if u want to pursue something do anywhere but my inbox

Alright, I'm not going to post any more posts about this in this thread, because I feel that this discussion going nowhere. You must not have understood my point, and I'm sorry if I failed to be clear. If you don't want to continue via telegrams because your inbox is "for important matters only", I'm fine with dropping it. I can only recommend that you try to get along with everyone in the RP, or that you at least try to be as nice as you can, because some people are going through some stuff and use this forum in their spare time for their enjoyment. I hope we can agree on that, and that having an RP with people that are able and willing to have fun and compromise with one another is better than an RP where some divides can lead to silly and unneeded circumstances that can spoil some of the fun.

Hope we can find common ground on this and we can enjoy this RP together.

[Vanquaria]

I have taken into account issues with interpreting sentences like

"Yeah no shit its up to the OP, dosent mean Nova wouldn't like our input on your question"

with

"I feel pretty indifferent to your input to be honest."

and will tune down my speech to a level capable of allowing easy to understand positive, passive OOC cooperation starting from this post onward

[First American Empire]

Is Nova Capile an island? If so, my first moves are likely going to be to send troops up the coast from Reiburg to open up a supply line to Saxtonburg and help defend it from the Fatherland Front's invasion.

However, I'm going to need to make sure Reiburg isn't threatened by the nearby VF territory before I do that, because if they take Reiburg and detonate the tunnel I'll be cut off from reinforcements. (I'm not an enemy of the Socialists, so I don't care about the pocket of BSU territory next to Reiburg.) What scale is the map? I want to make sure nothing within thirty kilometers of Reiburg is under VF control before advancing.

[Castelia]

By the way, my strategy is pretty straightforward: my troops are going to act as a "fire-brigade" team.

That is, you don't send them into battle as one cohesive army unit. You split them up into smaller "fire teams" and send them when and where they're needed: for example to cover a gap in defenses, or to apply pressure on a certain part of the front.

This effectively means I'm putting my troops at your disposal, OP.

Or I could also do the conventional warfare thing, but I'm going to defer the overall strategy to you, OP.

In eitger case, you're going to have to give me orders if you want my troops to go somewhere.

[The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile]

Thanks for accepting me! But word of advice for making maps, or any kind of images with text, always have the text be easily discernible from the background. Black text on black images really doesn’t work. Its the same reason you wouldn’t use a white crayon to draw on a regular piece of paper

The image is transparent, it's just that the background of Imgur is black. Right click and open the image up in a new tap, and everything should be legible.

Quick question: Is white pospherus seen as a chemical weapon in your eyes, and if not, are we allowed to use WP on military targets?

TG me about how you are exactly going to use it, I will approve it or not.

I have taken into account issues with interpreting sentences like

"Yeah no shit its up to the OP, dosent mean Nova wouldn't like our input on your question"

with

"I feel pretty indifferent to your input to be honest."

and will tune down my speech to a level capable of allowing easy to understand positive, passive OOC cooperation starting from this post onward :lol:

Alright, thanks. Remember to be civil, guys.

Is Nova Capile an island? If so, my first moves are likely going to be to send troops up the coast from Reiburg to open up a supply line to Saxtonburg and help defend it from the Fatherland Front's invasion.

However, I'm going to need to make sure Reiburg isn't threatened by the nearby VF territory before I do that, because if they take Reiburg and detonate the tunnel I'll be cut off from reinforcements. (I'm not an enemy of the Socialists, so I don't care about the pocket of BSU territory next to Reiburg.) What scale is the map? I want to make sure nothing within thirty kilometers of Reiburg is under VF control before advancing.

Yes, it is an island, should have specified that earlier. Let's go with 1 inch = 100 km for now.

By the way, my strategy is pretty straightforward: my troops are going to act as a "fire-brigade" team.

That is, you don't send them into battle as one cohesive army unit. You split them up into smaller "fire teams" and send them when and where they're needed: for example to cover a gap in defenses, or to apply pressure on a certain part of the front.

This effectively means I'm putting my troops at your disposal, OP.

Or I could also do the conventional warfare thing, but I'm going to defer the overall strategy to you, OP.

In eitger case, you're going to have to give me orders if you want my troops to go somewhere.

Noted.

[The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile]

Also: Important Announcement.

I have received complaints, so I want to make myself clear here. Everyone needs to take each other's advice and statements into account without outright dismissing them. In particular, Vanquaria is a veteran roleplayer and a player that I have been in contact with almost since the beginning of my NationStates experience. He has sound authority when it comes to questions or suggestions about anything to do with roleplay.
Everyone should have a voice in this roleplay. I'm not calling anyone out, playing favorites, or trying to provoke conflict.

All I want is everyone to be civil and treat each other's words with respect from this point forward. If we could have no further disputes from now on, that would be great.
In any case, thanks for your commitment to the RP so far, I'm excited to begin.

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

I won't be able to post until Monday. You guys'll have to keep yourselves warm without my white phosphorus. Have a nice weekend, guys.

[New Decius]

Official Name of Country:The Federation of European Monarchies
Colloquial Name of Country: The Empire of Europa
Form of Government: Parliamentary Federal Monarchy
Head of State: His Imperial Majesty, Josef Augustine II Emperor of Europe/His Imperial and Royal Majesty, Josef Franz I Emperor of Germany and King of Prussia
Head of Government: Imperial Chancellor Baron Julius von Richtofen
Population: Actual is 8.17 Billion But for purposes of the RP reduced to 4.5 Billion

Which Faction will you support?: The Royalists, our longstanding ally Grand Duke Klaus must be kept upon his throne
How will you support them?: Full military and economic aid
What do you hope to accomplish by intervening?: The restoration of the true and proper Capilean government under the Royalists
RP Sample: Capile and Columbia can vouch for me
Questions/Comments/Notes:

[The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile]

I won't be able to post until Monday. You guys'll have to keep yourselves warm without my white phosphorus. Have a nice weekend, guys.

Yes, since Limburg will be using it on a small scale (he's talked to me via TG about it), his use of white phosphorus is approved. Note that it will have IC ramifications.

-Snipped Application-

Approved. New Decius talked to me privately about joining and our nations have a long history, so I think it would only be appropriate for him to intervene.

[New Decius]

I won't be able to post until Monday. You guys'll have to keep yourselves warm without my white phosphorus. Have a nice weekend, guys.

Yes, since Limburg will be using it on a small scale (he's talked to me via TG about it), his use of white phosphorus is approved. Note that it will have IC ramifications.

-Snipped Application-

Approved. New Decius talked to me privately about joining and our nations have a long history, so I think it would only be appropriate for him to intervene.

Well I mean if I didn’t intervene on behalf of one of my oldest allies our alliance wouldn’t be much more than a scrap of paper would it. Funny how you Columbia and I are on the same side when we started out fighting each other.

[Luxembourg-Bavaria]

When you realize that the OP said he would post the IC but he didn't.

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

When you realize that the OP said he would post the IC but he didn't.

"Also: I plan on posting the IC this Thursday (April 11), probably at some point past 7:00 PDT. This will give me enough time to actually write my opening post, as well as for you to develop your strategies and whatnot. Hope that's not too long for you guys."
-Our lad, Capile.

I think he meant 7 PM, not 07:00.

EDIT: I shamelessly copied that message from New Damascus, so I can't back that up.