Upon Red Shores (OOC/ORBAT Thread)

[USG Security Corporation]

Despite Hurti redacting his posts, I will still have to explain his exit IC, as there are several posts from many in the RP that mention his troops involvement. That post is inbound within the next 24 hrs. Thanks for your understanding.

**EDIT: Just to clarify, despite TGs that we should ignore him and the onus being on us to change all our posts as if he was never there, he isn't being 'ignored' out of the RP. He was kicked out for continuing to post the same OOC gibberish/half finished post that was mod request deleted after being asked to edit it and refusing to do so. Refusing to work with the Guild and telling the OP to go stuff it after being politely asked to not post the above mentioned post is how we got to this point. As such, we will not ignore past involvement, but merely work around it and move on. Thanks for everyone's understanding.

[Pan-Asiatic States]

As such, we will not ignore past involvement, but merely work around it and move on. Thanks for everyone's understanding.

Ah, well. Some of my propaganda was directed to Hurti as well so I agree with this course of action.

[Kyrusia]

**EDIT: Just to clarify, despite TGs that we should ignore him and the onus being on us to change all our posts as if he was never there, he isn't being 'ignored' out of the RP. He was kicked out for continuing to post the same OOC gibberish/half finished post that was mod request deleted after being asked to edit it and refusing to do so. Refusing to work with the Guild and telling the OP to go stuff it after being politely asked to not post the above mentioned post is how we got to this point. As such, we will not ignore past involvement, but merely work around it and move on. Thanks for everyone's understanding.

OPs are entitled to remove players from their threads for any reason, including none. Similarly, roleplayers are entitled to control of their own intellectual property. Regardless of any prior correspondence, Hurtful Thoughts has now made it clear they no longer wish to be included in any capacity in this roleplay, having previously "deleted" their involvement. Please do not make future references to them or their intellectual property in this thread, given such.

While I understand it is convention to "write out" players who have been kicked from a thread, and that is fine if the booted player has no qualms with it; if, however, they do, as it is their intellectual property and would otherwise require forcing their participation - something players cannot do - then they are in fact entitled to not be involved. (No matter how relatively rare those reports are.) There is no onus to remove prior content, but future content should be replaced with a stock filler character(s)/placeholder characters, or otherwise retconned entirely.

[USG Security Corporation]

**EDIT: Just to clarify, despite TGs that we should ignore him and the onus being on us to change all our posts as if he was never there, he isn't being 'ignored' out of the RP. He was kicked out for continuing to post the same OOC gibberish/half finished post that was mod request deleted after being asked to edit it and refusing to do so. Refusing to work with the Guild and telling the OP to go stuff it after being politely asked to not post the above mentioned post is how we got to this point. As such, we will not ignore past involvement, but merely work around it and move on. Thanks for everyone's understanding.

OPs are entitled to remove players from their threads for any reason, including none. Similarly, roleplayers are entitled to control of their own intellectual property. Regardless of any prior correspondence, Hurtful Thoughts has now made it clear they no longer wish to be included in any capacity in this roleplay, having previously "deleted" their involvement. Please do not make future references to them or their intellectual property in this thread, given such.

While I understand it is convention to "write out" players who have been kicked from a thread, and that is fine if the booted player has no qualms with it; if, however, they do, as it is their intellectual property and would otherwise require forcing their participation - something players cannot do - then they are in fact entitled to not be involved. (No matter how relatively rare those reports are.) There is no onus to remove prior content, but future content should be replaced with a stock filler character(s)/placeholder characters, or otherwise retconned entirely.

Moderation decision will be respected and I will correct the transgression.

[Kyrusia]

OPs are entitled to remove players from their threads for any reason, including none. Similarly, roleplayers are entitled to control of their own intellectual property. Regardless of any prior correspondence, Hurtful Thoughts has now made it clear they no longer wish to be included in any capacity in this roleplay, having previously "deleted" their involvement. Please do not make future references to them or their intellectual property in this thread, given such.

While I understand it is convention to "write out" players who have been kicked from a thread, and that is fine if the booted player has no qualms with it; if, however, they do, as it is their intellectual property and would otherwise require forcing their participation - something players cannot do - then they are in fact entitled to not be involved. (No matter how relatively rare those reports are.) There is no onus to remove prior content, but future content should be replaced with a stock filler character(s)/placeholder characters, or otherwise retconned entirely.

Moderation decision will be respected and I will correct the transgression.

Much obliged!

[USG Security Corporation]

Just for note, I have edited the Guild Orbat to reflect the recent change:

* Vacated by a subcontractor breaking their contract, the Pradhaan AO is currently being filled by more USG troops, as well as boosted by local JRA and Gendarme forces. 5th platoon/2nd GRCT Co is temporarily stationed there at the old sub-contractor base, until more USG or other allied forces (probably Gaulic) can arrive.

Yes, I'm hoping that Gaulic troops will be stationed there, assuming they can arrive in time, instead of more Guild forces. Still thinking on it, but I think that's the best solution for now. It can be assumed that the Jaraguptan government has shifted more troops there to cover, as well - both regular JRA and gendarmes.

[The Cardwith Islands]

So, I wanted to get some serious thoughts here on the progression of the RP. I know some on both sides aren't happy that it will or could escalate, but also frustrated by the pacing. I say could because there's a chance that the status quo will remain and we'll go back to guerrilla warfare and covert action, avoiding escalation.

1) The ISVN task force could be turned back diplomatically at the last minute, or convinced not to land regular forces.

2) The Guild sink all the transports or bloody the task force up so bad, or destroy them on the beaches - should it come to that. Possibly Gaul reinforcements make it in time and help with this.

3) The ISVC are successful in their beachheads and the government forces end up going on the defensive but stay intact as a guerrilla force to resist the invasion.

4) The Guild find the situation untenable and end the contract early and pull out, leaving client hanging, but saving their own butts. Least desirable for that side, but if nobody on the Guild side wants to fight a messy II full scale war RP, that might be an option.

5) Least least likely, the ISVC invasion is successful, but the government doesn't collapse and the ISVC and HDLF only hold parts of the East and South and we hang onto a good chunk of the North. A defacto front line develops or even a DMZ as negotiations proceed to compromise/carve up the island or get the ISVC to pull out.
In the meantime, possibly more guerrilla/covert action ensues as both sides maneuver for better negotiation by taking more territory, destroying key assets, and weakening the other side's resolve.

Any of these scenarios are possible or even others I hadn't thought of. Don't get discouraged, but also know that not everyone can get their most desired outcome. All that being said, where do we go from here? Also, do we plan it out to some degree or just see what happens?

[Terre des Gaules]

SOUTHERN CARRIER GROUP

• BNRG Conquérant (Carrier)
  CO: Vice Admiral Ambroise Daribault
  CAG: Colonel Herbert Deschamps
  
  7x F-29C Warriors
  23x Mirage 2000s
  14x Dassault Rafales
  8x V-24 Swift Fox
  15x Westland Sea Kings
  
  * 23ème Marine Battalion (1200 personnel, including light vehicles and heavy weapons support)
  
  
  
• BNRG Tonnant (Cruiser)
  
• BNRG Percuteur (Frigate)
  
• BNRG Boxeur (Frigate)
  
• BNRG Tembeleux (Frigate)
  
• BNRG Pilonneur (Corvette)
  
• BNRG Défenseur (Corvette)
  
• BNRG Chargeur (Corvette)
  
• BNRG Ouvrier (LCS)
  - Transporting part of the ECRE
  
• BRG Chalereux (Transport)
  - Transporting part of the ECRE
  
• BRG Micheron (Transport)
  - Transporting part of the ECRE
  
• BNRG Porteur (Tender/Resupply)
  
• BNRG Mitaux (Hospital)
  
• BRG Auxiliare (Tug)
  
• BRG Copieux (Container)
  
• BNRG Allumeur (ELINT)
  
• BNRG Chercheur (Minesweeper)
  
• BNRG Argonaute (Type KR487 SSN)
  
• BNRG Vaillante (Type KR487 SSN)
  
• BNRG Foucault (Type KR487 SSN)
  
• BNRG Ariane (Type KR487 SSN)
  
• BNRG Diane (Type KR487 SSN)
  
• BNRG Prairial (Type KR487 SSN)
  
  ECRE (Équipe de Combat Régimentaire Expéditionnaire - Regimental Expeditionary Combat Team)
  - Taken from the 3ème Corps de l'armée/2ème Groupe de L'Armee
  CO of Land Forces (ECRE): General Thierry Dalier
  
  * C Co/ 2ème Bn/ 26ème Régiment Logistique/7ème Division
  2x Petro Genesis Tankers
  6x Kvasir T-Drops
  10x Renault TRM 10000
  10x Renault GBC 180
  5x ACMATs
  
  * B Co/1er Bn/61ème Brigade Policiers Militaires/7ème Division
  4x VBLs
  3x ACMATs
  
  * A Co/2ème Bn/12ème Régiment Mécanisé/8ème Division
  2x M75 ARV-Ts
  6x VBLs
  5x AMX 10 RCs
  7x Saladin IFVs
  10x Salameh APCs
  6x ACMATs
  4x AMX-10P
  4x Renault GBC 180
  3x HTH-203s
  2x Aravis
  
  * D Co/1er Bn/62ème Brigade du Génie/8ème Division
  6x VBLs
  6x Renault GBC 180
  8x ACMATs
  2x Aravis
  Various Industrial Heavy Construction vehicles
  
  * 1er Bn/5ème Régiment Fusiliers/9ème Division
  2x M75 ARV-Ts
  7x VBLs
  20x ACMATs
  9x Aravis
  - Includes 1st Plt Opérations psychologiques/HQ to counter ISVC propaganda campaigns
  
  * 2eme Plt/A Co/1er Bn/65ème Brigade d'Artilerie/9ème Division
  Various missile launcher platforms and light howitzer/artillery
  
  * A Co/3eme Bn/35ème Brigade Médicale/9ème Division
  5x ACMAT Ambulances
  
  Les Renforts
  
  * To be Grouped with the initial ECRE into the Groupe de Combat Interarmées Jaragupta (GCIJ) <Joint Forces Combat Group Jaragupta> under Gen. Dalier
  
  
• 60ème Battalion Des Opérations Spéciales
  20x VBLs
  62x FAVs
  25x Aravis
  15x AMX 10 RCs
  
  * 38ème Division Dachinois
  - 22ème Régiment Fusiliers Dachinois
  14x VBLs
  30x ACMATs
  12x Salameh APCs
  15x Aravis
  
  - 28ème Régiment Logistique Dachinois
  5x Petro Genesis Tankers
  18x Kvasir T-Drops
  50x Renault TRM 10000
  50x Renault GBC 180
  15x ACMATs
  
  * 48ème Division d'lnfanterie Dachinois
  - 2ème Régiment Coloniale (Gaulois)
  14x VBLs
  30x ACMATs
  12x Salameh APCs
  15x Aravis
  
  - 3ème Régiment Tirailleurs Dachinois
  14x VBLs
  30x ACMATs
  12x Salameh APCs
  15x Aravis
  
• 8th Escadrille Rôles Multiples
  22x Mirage 2000s
  10x Dassault Rafales
  
• 11th Escadrille Rôles Multiples
  24x Mirage 2000s
  15x Dassault Rafales
  
• 14th Escadrille Des Transports
  10x C3000 Conquest
  4x C2000
  5x C907 Cayman
  4x C74 Carly

* Dachinois, or Dae Chongese, are native troops from the Gaulic Territory of Dachine (Dae Chong). They have had a long history of fighting in the Gaulic Army through the centuries. Expect some posts to be done through Dachine to reflect the different culture and character of these troops.

[The Cardwith Islands]

Just to be clear for both readers and participants, this RP is still very much active and several people are working on collaborative posts to be posted soon. Thanks.

[Jaragupta]

Just for clarification, Jaraguptans, and Hamikhs in particular, are NOT more susceptible and vulnerable to malaria and the other tropical diseases that they live with on a daily basis. The island would have been wiped out long ago if that were the case. Plus, they have modern medicine. That whole thing makes no sense and can be ignored. The HDLF fighters didn't die off from disease in the hours after the battle of Mulayam Pathar, and they also didn't march across the country to Pradhaan for whatever reason. They stayed around the Mehatar area, hiding in the mountains as was previously RP'd in the posts before PAS' posts. Please adhere to canon, respect the other posters and what they have RP'd before you, and don't radically change the story without asking. Thanks.

[The Cardwith Islands]

So, I am geographically challenged it seems.



This whole time, during the sailing of the ISVN task force from the Cardwiths and the air battle near the islands, I have been under the assumption in my mind that the Cardwiths were NW of Jaragupta, not SW. That the ISVN TF was sailing around the north of the island to intersect with the Gaulic fleet also approaching from the north. Obviously, as you can see by the map above, that was a very erroneous assumption.

So, now we must readjust. Here's the new plan:
The ISVN TF sailed north from the Cardwiths to Jaragupta and circled around to the east without landing any forces on the southern portion of the main island. It is there to the Northeast of Gahana and the satellite islands that theirs and the Gaulic fleet's air patrols and forward ships met and exchanged shots. The Gaul fleet was sailing southeast and was just a little NE of the main island and due north of Gahana before they tangled with the ISVN fleet.

I hope this is okay with everyone. I know it's ok with Gaul. Expect some edits to get us back on track, then hopefully some new posts soon.

[USG Security Corporation]

Still doing this. Still need to make geographical edits to posts. Thanks for all participants' patience during this hiatus.

[Jaragupta]

Please ignore any RL dates posted in any IC posts. The events of the RP thread have only been going on for a matter of months, not years from when both the Guild PMCs and ISVC personnel first arrived. I wouldn't even feel safe to tell you that this is happening anywhere in the realm of 2018-2025. Thanks for your understanding in this.

[Terre des Gaules]

Les Renforts

* To be Grouped with the initial ECRE into the Groupe de Combat Interarmées Jaragupta (GCIJ) <Joint Forces Combat Group Jaragupta> under Gen. Dalier

• A, C, & D Co (Rest of) 60ème Battalion Des Opérations Spéciales
  20x VBLs
  62x FAVs
  25x Aravis
  15x AMX 10 RCs
  
  * 38ème Division Dachinois
  - 22ème Régiment Fusiliers Dachinois
  14x VBLs
  30x ACMATs
  12x Salameh APCs
  15x Aravis
  
  - 28ème Régiment Logistique Dachinois
  5x Petro Genesis Tankers
  18x Kvasir T-Drops
  50x Renault TRM 10000
  50x Renault GBC 180
  15x ACMATs
  
  * 48ème Division d'lnfanterie Dachinois
  - 2ème Régiment Coloniale (Gaulois)
  14x VBLs
  30x ACMATs
  12x Salameh APCs
  15x Aravis
  
  - 3ème Régiment Tirailleurs Dachinois
  14x VBLs
  30x ACMATs
  12x Salameh APCs
  15x Aravis
  
• 8th Escadrille Rôles Multiples
  22x Mirage 2000s
  10x Dassault Rafales
  
• 11th Escadrille Rôles Multiples
  24x Mirage 2000s
  15x Dassault Rafales
  
• 14th Escadrille Des Transports
  10x C3000 Conquest
  4x C2000
  5x C907 Cayman
  4x C74 Carly

* I have edited this into the larger ORBAT post for Gaul forces, as well.

* Dachinois, or Dae Chongese, are native troops from the Gaulic Territory of Dachine (Dae Chong). They have had a long history of fighting in the Gaulic Army through the centuries. Expect some posts to be done through Dachine to reflect the different culture and character of these troops.

[Allanea]

Greetings, citizens.

I have some ideas if nobody minds.

I would like to become involved in three important ways:

a. Being that various diseases are common on the islands, I would like to cooperate with the Royal government on an anti-malaria drive, to include both vaccination and destruction of mosquitoes and their habitats. (Through the participation of the Free Kingdom Armed Forces Emergency Command and private charities.

b. A small group of commandoes (no more than 50-100) to train Royal law enforcement and assassinate rebels.

c. A program to encourage immigration to Allanea.

[Jaragupta]

Greetings, citizens.

I have some ideas if nobody minds.

I would like to become involved in three important ways:

a. Being that various diseases are common on the islands, I would like to cooperate with the Royal government on an anti-malaria drive, to include both vaccination and destruction of mosquitoes and their habitats. (Through the participation of the Free Kingdom Armed Forces Emergency Command and private charities.

Just for clarification, Jaraguptans, and Hamikhs in particular, are NOT more susceptible and vulnerable to malaria and the other tropical diseases that they live with on a daily basis. The island would have been wiped out long ago if that were the case. Plus, they have modern medicine. That whole thing makes no sense and can be ignored. The HDLF fighters didn't die off from disease in the hours after the battle of Mulayam Pathar, and they also didn't march across the country to Pradhaan for whatever reason. They stayed around the Mehatar area, hiding in the mountains as was previously RP'd in the posts before PAS' posts. Please adhere to canon, respect the other posters and what they have RP'd before you, and don't radically change the story without asking. Thanks.

They're only as common as they are in most areas of the tropics. Some exaggerated stories of natives being infected and affected in droves, instead of dying in battle as they actually did, should have been retconned, but they weren't. *shrug*

b. A small group of commandoes (no more than 50-100) to train Royal law enforcement and assassinate rebels.

You mean the job that the Guild and the Gauls are already doing? Are you asking to coordinate with the allies or feel that a company of Allanean commandos acting unilaterally would totally turn around the war effort?

c. A program to encourage immigration to Allanea.

I feel like we're getting to the real root of interest here, but I don't fully understand why the Free Kingdom would put that much effort into encouraging Jaraguptan immigration.

[Allanea]

You mean the job that the Guild and the Gauls are already doing? Are you asking to coordinate with the allies or feel that a company of Allanean commandos acting unilaterally would totally turn around the war effort?

I don't believe I made any statements about 'turning' the war effort around.

My idea was to roleplay the commandos doing their job in coordination with the local government. I'm under no illusion about the ability of a small force to do much more than assist a bit.

They're only as common as they are in most areas of the tropics. Some exaggerated stories of natives being infected and affected in droves, instead of dying in battle as they actually did, should have been retconned, but they weren't. *shrug*

I mean, as I understand it, there's some degree of a malaria problem in many tropical countries, even though it's not everyone dying in suffering.

I feel like we're getting to the real root of interest here, but I don't fully understand why the Free Kingdom would put that much effort into encouraging Jaraguptan immigration.

Because Allanea

a. Feels immigration is socio-economically beneficial.
b. Feels it's likely the communists/socialists will win, and wants to give people an opportunity to avoid living under the PAS boot.

By "this much effort" we are talking perhaps an advertisement campaign and some pamphlets, rather than some kind of immense epic giga-effort.

[Jaragupta]

Alright. Fair enough. We'll keep discussing it on the Discord.

I appreciate your elaboration on those points.

[Allanea]

Okay we've spokeen a bit on the Discord.

So now I'm thinking about small teams of specialists assisting the Guild in fighting the insurgency and perhaps humanitarian aid teams etc.

[Allanea]

So to reiterate I'm having the idea of participating in several ways:

1. In the form of special forces advisors, who are going to be actually advising rather than just running about and shooting people. In the context of urban counterinsurgency that's going to be based a lot on what I've read about urban COIN myself.

2. In the form of various humanitarian aid and outreach work that is meant partly to improve the situation on the ground and to help people because, you know, helping people is good, and on the other hand it's meant to undermine the Socialists/Maoists/pro-PAS types by addressing some of the grievances the public may have and also being seen as actually solving problems.

[The Cardwith Islands]

I have edited our ORBAT to note changes in our 2nd Stage Deployment.

[Jaragupta]

So to reiterate I'm having the idea of participating in several ways:

1. In the form of special forces advisors, who are going to be actually advising rather than just running about and shooting people. In the context of urban counterinsurgency that's going to be based a lot on what I've read about urban COIN myself.

2. In the form of various humanitarian aid and outreach work that is meant partly to improve the situation on the ground and to help people because, you know, helping people is good, and on the other hand it's meant to undermine the Socialists/Maoists/pro-PAS types by addressing some of the grievances the public may have and also being seen as actually solving problems.

We're going to pass. Thanks.

[The Cardwith Islands]

We are going to begin work on a new group post.

[USG Security Corporation]

We are going to begin work on a new group post.

We also have a couple group posts in the works for the Guild.

[Jaragupta]

And these posts happened. We're still rolling along.

I'm aware of at least a couple other joint posts in the works.