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Postby Miklania » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:06 am

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Miklania wrote:What are you deploying?

3 Companies of the 17th Airborne Regiment (2 Rifles, 1 Weapons), the ships Union, Rangi, Chery, Veaux, Lukas Monet Sr., and Peter Hart will be sent initially.

Then in a few days following the remaining companies of the 17th Airborne, and (on Noro's approval) two AFSBs carrying the 18th Regiment of the 7th Expeditionary Brigade and the necessary support equipment for both them and the Airborne units. I will also be deploying the other half of the 1st Coastal Assault Squadron to Swaneeak Atoll in the event the force being sent needs reinforcements. I've also considered whether or not to additionally send out my SSGN Ranger, but it will probably also join the reinforcing naval force rather than heading out with the Union.

Well then. Why just the companies of the regiment, and not the whole battalion?
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Postby Dormill and Stiura » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:26 am

Miklania wrote:
Dormill and Stiura wrote:3 Companies of the 17th Airborne Regiment (2 Rifles, 1 Weapons), the ships Union, Rangi, Chery, Veaux, Lukas Monet Sr., and Peter Hart will be sent initially.

Then in a few days following the remaining companies of the 17th Airborne, and (on Noro's approval) two AFSBs carrying the 18th Regiment of the 7th Expeditionary Brigade and the necessary support equipment for both them and the Airborne units. I will also be deploying the other half of the 1st Coastal Assault Squadron to Swaneeak Atoll in the event the force being sent needs reinforcements. I've also considered whether or not to additionally send out my SSGN Ranger, but it will probably also join the reinforcing naval force rather than heading out with the Union.

Well then. Why just the companies of the regiment, and not the whole battalion?

I don’t have that many planes to send all at once. It could be more assumed that over time after the initial attack that the remainder of the battalion will be sent piecemeal in the inmediate days following.
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Postby Wellsia » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:32 am

If you are using Miklania and Republican troops to back up the Menna, this would work as a good soldiers battle, if I move a company (270 men) as backup for the Javierians. My men would be overconfident expecting a Menna only attack and the Miklania would expect nothing but Javierian defenders. This could be a major surprise for all involved.

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Postby Dormill and Stiura » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:33 am

Wellsia wrote:If you are using Miklania and Republican troops to back up the Menna, this would work as a good soldiers battle, if I move a company (270 men) as backup for the Javierians. My men would be overconfident expecting a Menna only attack and the Miklania would expect nothing but Javierian defenders. This could be a major surprise for all involved.

That’s the overall aim, though it would require an IC agreement between D&S, Miklania, Menna, and whoever else is on our side to make a joint task force.
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Postby Menna Shuli » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:47 am

I think the big, joint task force battle should be saved for Constantina, not Pueblo Ignacio. Pueblo Ignacio will only be a struggle without the numbers and equipment. Constantina is a more strategically important point.

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Postby Miklania » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:50 am

Menna Shuli wrote:I think the big, joint task force battle should be saved for Constantina, not Pueblo Ignacio. Pueblo Ignacio will only be a struggle without the numbers and equipment. Constantina is a more strategically important point.

Only a small portion of the Miklanian regiment is going to be arriving on a single medium assault ship, the rest are expected to be airlifted in once we have an airstrip big enough for C17s. That battalion or company sized force would work for Pueblo Ignacio, correct?

Also, D&S, how much coordination is there between your military and mine? Would we be aware of your plan?
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:58 am

Miklania wrote:
Menna Shuli wrote:I think the big, joint task force battle should be saved for Constantina, not Pueblo Ignacio. Pueblo Ignacio will only be a struggle without the numbers and equipment. Constantina is a more strategically important point.

Only a small portion of the Miklanian regiment is going to be arriving on a single medium assault ship, the rest are expected to be airlifted in once we have an airstrip big enough for C17s. That battalion or company sized force would work for Pueblo Ignacio, correct?

Use the Russian planes meant for no airstrip ;)
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Postby Dormill and Stiura » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:08 am

Miklania wrote:
Menna Shuli wrote:I think the big, joint task force battle should be saved for Constantina, not Pueblo Ignacio. Pueblo Ignacio will only be a struggle without the numbers and equipment. Constantina is a more strategically important point.

Only a small portion of the Miklanian regiment is going to be arriving on a single medium assault ship, the rest are expected to be airlifted in once we have an airstrip big enough for C17s. That battalion or company sized force would work for Pueblo Ignacio, correct?

Also, D&S, how much coordination is there between your military and mine? Would we be aware of your plan?

I would say that our militaries would be cooperating, so we would both share plans and intelligence between each other.
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:19 am

Ultimately, we will be deploying the central fleet (It contains the aircraft carrier, 18 destroyers, and 30 Corvettes) as well as 2 divisions of marines (about 10,000 men plus assorted armour and what not) via our Ropucha class ships. As for deployment, we would be deploying as many as we could by sea, but air lifting in more troops afterwards.
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Postby Dormill and Stiura » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:22 am

Thuzbekistan wrote:Ultimately, we will be deploying the central fleet (It contains the aircraft carrier, 18 destroyers, and 30 Corvettes) as well as 2 divisions of marines (about 10,000 men plus assorted armour and what not) via our Ropucha class ships. As for deployment, we would be deploying as many as we could by sea, but air lifting in more troops afterwards.

A little overkill don’t you think? :P
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:35 am

Dormill and Stiura wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:Ultimately, we will be deploying the central fleet (It contains the aircraft carrier, 18 destroyers, and 30 Corvettes) as well as 2 divisions of marines (about 10,000 men plus assorted armour and what not) via our Ropucha class ships. As for deployment, we would be deploying as many as we could by sea, but air lifting in more troops afterwards.

A little overkill don’t you think? :P

Itll be in stages. So we would deploy a smaller force, find out MSTO members and dormill-stiuraian troops are there, then go OH SHIT and double down.
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Postby Miklania » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:41 am

Thuzbekistan wrote:
Miklania wrote:Only a small portion of the Miklanian regiment is going to be arriving on a single medium assault ship, the rest are expected to be airlifted in once we have an airstrip big enough for C17s. That battalion or company sized force would work for Pueblo Ignacio, correct?

Use the Russian planes meant for no airstrip ;)

C17s don't need a runway, but they do need enough open dry land to physically squeeze themselves into.
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Miklania wrote:Only a small portion of the Miklanian regiment is going to be arriving on a single medium assault ship, the rest are expected to be airlifted in once we have an airstrip big enough for C17s. That battalion or company sized force would work for Pueblo Ignacio, correct?

Also, D&S, how much coordination is there between your military and mine? Would we be aware of your plan?

I would say that our militaries would be cooperating, so we would both share plans and intelligence between each other.

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I can just imagine Miklania pulling out a rabbit and beating a duck with it then grabbing the dead duck by the neck and beating a goose to death with it. All while shouting what their logical fallacies are and telling them their militaries are inferior to his. ~ Alesini

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Postby Miklania » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:06 am

Thuzbekistan wrote:
Dormill and Stiura wrote:A little overkill don’t you think? :P

Itll be in stages. So we would deploy a smaller force, find out MSTO members and dormill-stiuraian troops are there, then go OH SHIT and double down.

You are actually deploying ground forces to the island? What's going to happen when they meet ours?

The response to your fleet moving towards San Javier will be to deploy the Stormkeeper battle group and every other ship and boat in 3rd Fleet to run interference.
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:11 am

Miklania wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:Itll be in stages. So we would deploy a smaller force, find out MSTO members and dormill-stiuraian troops are there, then go OH SHIT and double down.

You are actually deploying ground forces to the island? What's going to happen when they meet ours?

The response to your fleet moving towards San Javier will be to deploy the Stormkeeper battle group and every other ship and boat in 3rd Fleet to run interference.

Which would lead to what? You firing on our ships? If you did that, you would be starting a war. Our stated intentions would be to stop the invasion of San Javier.

As for meeting miklanian troops, our roe would be to not fire until fired upon. We would be placing ourselves in between menna's forces and the capital and basically say "stop. Come to the negotiating table. But advance no further."

If you guys fired on mine or took action, well. There would be a fight.
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Postby Dormill and Stiura » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:23 am

Miklania wrote:You are actually deploying ground forces to the island? What's going to happen when they meet ours?

The response to your fleet moving towards San Javier will be to deploy the Stormkeeper battle group and every other ship and boat in 3rd Fleet to run interference.

If word filters to the URN that the Ashluv and the Central Fleet is sailing for San Javier then the rest of the Coastal Assult Squadron will be deployed to join the Union and her group. Hell the Navy would even consider grabbing a Coastal Defense Squadron and send it to run interference across the Eterna, particularly along sea lanes that Thuzbek ships would use.
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:29 am

Dormill and Stiura wrote:
Miklania wrote:You are actually deploying ground forces to the island? What's going to happen when they meet ours?

The response to your fleet moving towards San Javier will be to deploy the Stormkeeper battle group and every other ship and boat in 3rd Fleet to run interference.

If word filters to the URN that the Ashluv and the Central Fleet is sailing for San Javier then the rest of the Coastal Assult Squadron will be deployed to join the Union and her group. Hell the Navy would even consider grabbing a Coastal Defense Squadron and send it to run interference across the Eterna, particularly along sea lanes that Thuzbek ships would use.

If you guys read the news, it was dispatched 2 days ago
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Postby Dormill and Stiura » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:33 am

Thuzbekistan wrote:
Dormill and Stiura wrote:If word filters to the URN that the Ashluv and the Central Fleet is sailing for San Javier then the rest of the Coastal Assult Squadron will be deployed to join the Union and her group. Hell the Navy would even consider grabbing a Coastal Defense Squadron and send it to run interference across the Eterna, particularly along sea lanes that Thuzbek ships would use.

If you guys read the news, it was dispatched 2 days ago

Then I guess the situation will very much be the entire Coastal Assult Squadron will be deployed, and I’ll have to figure out how much of a Coastal Defense Squadron I can send out to the Eterna and Southern Seas to run interference.
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Postby Wellsia » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:34 am

I didn’t even rank being mentioned? Lol

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Postby Thuzbekistan » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:39 am

Wellsia wrote:I didn’t even rank being mentioned? Lol

Ikr. You're deploying 5400 men.
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Postby Dormill and Stiura » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:41 am

Wellsia wrote:I didn’t even rank being mentioned? Lol

If you're referring to my lack of mentioning you in the briefing, then it's as simple as nobody in my intelligence knows that Wellsia has deployed troops yet. They only know of the Legion of 500 because they were stupid enough to plaster their logo on the side of their ship and all over their stuff when they showed up at Castillo Verde.

Anyways, I'm going to start writing out the Battle of Augustin and I just want to leave the question to Menna on what kinds of forces are in the city and what should my airborne troops expect.
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:41 am

Dormill and Stiura wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:If you guys read the news, it was dispatched 2 days ago

Then I guess the situation will very much be the entire Coastal Assult Squadron will be deployed, and I’ll have to figure out how much of a Coastal Defense Squadron I can send out to the Eterna and Southern Seas to run interference.

You guys do realize that the best course of action is to actually talk then? Like you all lunged headlong into an invasion of San Javier, which is completely against the league. You have multiple nations aligning against you and that number will soon increase as the rp continues. It's not wise to try and start a combat situation with my fleet unless you want to start a war. We are coming with the stated intention of stopping the invasion.

I don't mean that to sound hostile, it's just you guys are jumping head over heel to invade this nation based on allegations with no league debate or anything. That's REALLY out of character for yalls nations.

I mean, if you want to start IW3, go ahead. But if that's the route you guys wanna go, then we need to stop and think about this.
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Postby Dormill and Stiura » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:48 am

Thuzbekistan wrote:
Dormill and Stiura wrote:Then I guess the situation will very much be the entire Coastal Assult Squadron will be deployed, and I’ll have to figure out how much of a Coastal Defense Squadron I can send out to the Eterna and Southern Seas to run interference.

You guys do realize that the best course of action is to actually talk then? Like you all lunged headlong into an invasion of San Javier, which is completely against the league. You have multiple nations aligning against you and that number will soon increase as the rp continues. It's not wise to try and start a combat situation with my fleet unless you want to start a war. We are coming with the stated intention of stopping the invasion.

I don't mean that to sound hostile, it's just you guys are jumping head over heel to invade this nation based on allegations with no league debate or anything. That's REALLY out of character for yalls nations.

The United Republics' official stance is to end the conflict as quickly as possible, and it is well aware that Menna Shuli is not willing to continue talking it out. At the same time, Dormill and Stiura cannot risk losing out on the chance to get on the inside of Menna Shuli's political sphere and on the good side of some important political figures that would give an in on things like industry access and the like.

And based on the past year this is not uncharacteristic of how Dormill and Stiura has responded to similar events, entering in Orsandia to take on Thuzbekistan and the PLF or Avran to take on Loyalists.

Additionally, thanks to Orsandia, the United Republics knows how to fight Thuzbekistan and will do everything short of actually declaring war to get the Central Fleet out of the way so the Doralitc part of the invasion can begin.
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:54 am

You were fighting a Thuzbek armed and advised force, notThuzbekistan itself.

I mean, I'm open to whatever, but to immediately attack is questionable. What do you guys mean by "run interference"
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Postby Dormill and Stiura » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:56 am

Thuzbekistan wrote:You were fighting a Thuzbek armed and advised force, notThuzbekistan itself.

I mean, I'm open to whatever, but to immediately attack is questionable. What do you guys mean by "run interference"

Running interference means not openly attacking, but making life difficult for the Thuzbek Navy. This means shadowing your ships, randomly stopping them or otherwise being a nuisance but not doing anything that would provoke actual conflict.

Basically everything the PLA Navy does in the South China Sea is what we intend to do.
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:59 am

Dormill and Stiura wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:You were fighting a Thuzbek armed and advised force, notThuzbekistan itself.

I mean, I'm open to whatever, but to immediately attack is questionable. What do you guys mean by "run interference"

Running interference means not openly attacking, but making life difficult for the Thuzbek Navy. This means shadowing your ships, randomly stopping them or otherwise being a nuisance but not doing anything that would provoke actual conflict.

Basically everything the PLA Navy does in the South China Sea is what we intend to do.

Ah, that's fine. Depending on the force, though. If you had a bunch of ships doing so, it would start a conflict.
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