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Postby Dormill and Stiura » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:06 pm

As the Poppies Bloom
The San Javier Conflict; Part 2

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As the Poppies Bloom is the sequel to Atnaia/Menna Shuli's The San Javier Conflict, and thus shall carry over some aspects of the original story into this one in addition to recent events. This RP is open to all nations in TWI as the events in this RP won't be wholly contained within these threads. Without further ado, allow me to set the stage.

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It started in 1973, when President Rodrigo Emmanuel Cajillo, remembered as "El Presidente", attempted to tighten his rule at the end of his term as President. His socialist style of government was pushed on the people of San Javier and El Presidente's rivals, mostly vested in the San Javier Unification Party, had been declared illegal. What he wished to be a non-violent transition of power quickly evolved into a country-wide civil war as the San Javier Unification Party, rebranded as the Presidential Republic of San Javier, gained international support. As the fighting escalated throughout the mid-70s, the power of the central government evaporated across the countryside and most importantly Javieran Steppe. The lack of a central government led the more opportunistic to form cartels that seized control of San Javier's poppy production, and cut off the oil fields behind bribes, kickbacks, and general corruption.

In 1979, things turned for the worst as the largest of these cartels, the Anliana Cartel, managed to successfully invade the then capital and oust the communist government. Since then, the conflict has died down as foreign actors pulled out of the dumpster fire it had become. This rendered the formerly dominant communists and their sympathizers alone in the wildernesses of San Javier to fend for themselves as both cartels and the new Presidential Republic hunted them down. The cartels still controlled the Steppe, and the new government did not have the resources to take them on, entering in a tacit agreement to allow the cartels control of the Steppe in exchange for whatever racket they demanded.

Corruption is commonplace across San Javier, with some cases going so extreme as cartel bosses and police chiefs of various towns and villages spending days on end high off opium while police officers and cartel members raid the town of its valuables. For most of the time since the 80s, the only real conflict has been between rival cartels and the few incorruptible police officers that are frequently thrown into the front lines of the quiet war between the Javieran Government and whichever cartel was on the hit list that month.
In mid to late 2016, news broke throughout the international community with governments admitting to taking sides in the original conflict. This spurred a response from most that demanded that these governments right their wrongs and end the conflict they had created. An international coalition led mostly by Vancouvia and Corindia entered San Javier and put an end to what remained of an organized socialist community in the islands. Around the same time, the conflicts between the cartels and the Presidential Republic all but ended outright, a result of foreign motivations on both sides.

The operation ended nearly a year later, its members declaring "Mission Accomplished" and went home. It did not take long from there for the situation to worsen from the state it was in before the intervention. The Presidential Republic fell apart in the immediate months following, what remained of the central government was taken over by a military junta known as the People's Freedom Coalition with General Pedro Fresia at its head as Chairman. Since 2016, the Javierian junta managed to successfully grow and export tobacco crop to compete with the old poppy industry still dominated by the cartels of the steppe, giving the people along the border a reprieve as military forces enacted martial law and removed the corrupted police and cartel bosses from their towns.

However, corruption still runs rampant in both the steppe and in the central government, as unregulated tobacco and opium floods the markets of eastern Argus, most especially Menna Shuli.
In July of 2017, news broke of 'uhitap Âspu Kashaka's sudden stroke, with doctors concluding that it was likely caused by "complications [of a] lifetime of smoking". This lead to a nationwide call by doctors for a comprehensive anti-smoking campaign in response. In famous Mênnan fashion, its government failed to respond in a timely manner, leaving the issue lingering in the national dialogue of Menna Shuli as the country faced crisis after crisis in the absence of their leader. In August, the Mennan government began to consider increased tariffs against San Javier to respond to the smoking crisis, as Javierian tobacco is the most common used in Menna Shuli's tobacco products.

Recently, the national conversation in Menna Shuli has shifted further against San Javier as the government seriously considers measures to curtail the flow of "illicit goods" from San Javier into Menna Shuli, most importantly by way of enforcing cargo inspections of all Javieran ships entering Mennan ports. This has caused an altercation between Mennan Police and Javieran merchantmen and demands from the Javieran government to release the currently detained merchantmen, on threats of cutting trade with Menna Shuli entirely and taking the issue up to the authorities in the League of the Western Isles.
As the situation develops, the international community has once again become interested in San Javier, though nobody is certain as to what will happen next. If another invasion is to happen, some hope that this time will be the one where the actual threats, the corrupt military junta and the cartels are removed from San Javier, and a new government is instituted to bring a lasting peace to these embattled islands.
In San Javier

  • The People's Freedom Coalition of San Javier: As the only truly legitimate “government” the People’s Freedom Coalition is the military junta that controls over most of San Javier's most populated areas. It has been in power for most of the last several years and actively utilizes the tactics most known for in totalitarian states to maintain control. Given that, however, the Coalition has been directly responsible for the recent stability seen in San Javier. In addition to the Coalition’s own military forces, they are supported by several affiliated militias that generally support the government’s efforts in whatever capacity they can.
  • The Cartels: The Cartels, a collection of gangs that all follow a basic rule, profit before everything else. Several of the cartels are also suspected to be in league with foreign actors, and they predominantly control the Javieran Steppe, which includes all of the poppy production and a significant portion of the oil production in all of San Javier. Since each of these are significant military powers in their own right, the junta has been unable to uproot them ever since gaining power, instead broadly taking the same path the old government had in staying out of their affairs. Since 2017, the largest of these the Anliana Cartel and Azul Naturaleza, have permitted the junta to take control of some oil fields and the necessary infrastructure to ship them away. However, they are still in constant conflict for domination of the drugs market. As their largest exports to Memna Shuli are threatened, the cartels are growing more desperate to break back in, and are likely to take drastic action soon to keep their drugs and oil flowing.

The Participants

  • Menna Shuli: As the crisis continues to develop, Mennan leaders will begin to see things as a matter of honor. With provocations from the PFC, eventually Menna Shuli will declare war on the junta in San Javier. Ultimately, Menna Shuli aims to cripple the ability of both the government and the cartels to ship their wares to the unstable areas within Menna Shuli, a government change is not necessary to this goal.
  • Dormill and Stiura: The United Republics has been observing the situation in San Javier with great interest in the recent years since 2016. As the situation in Noronica and Orsandia cool down, more of Dormill and Stirua's military can be freed up to operate further abroad, and once the situation in San Javier calls for it, will send forces to effect change in the favor of Dormill-Stiuraian interests. The addition of a more friendly Menna Shuli is considered an even greater goal for further influence in the Southern Sea. In all, Dormill and Stiura supports none of the present factions, and would seek to completely remove and replace the government of San Javier.
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Postby Balnik » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:27 pm

tag

As I mentioned once on the RMB, I offer the Legion of 500 to San Javier to conflict against Dormill and Menna.
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Postby Vibor » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:29 pm

Le Tag.

Vibor would have vested interest for participation in his conflict either covertly or overtly.
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Postby New Totzka » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:43 pm

As I said before I would be interested in getting involved in this as the Sindicato Aristocrático. They would be attempting to take advantage of the invasion by bringing the cartels into the organisation in exchange for weapons and supplies.
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:07 pm

Hmm. I'm interested, but I'm not sure how thuzbekistan could fit into these. We would obviously demand that menna shulli release the merchants and simply ban San Javier ships from port. We would consider the seizing of ships in port as nothing short of an act of aggression, one that thuzbekistan would comment on.
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Postby Dothrakia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:35 pm

le tag

I'd be interested in hopping in on this as well. Dothrakia doesn't really take kindly to strong men or totalitarian states so we'd def be anti-gov. Depending on where the conflict goes maybe we act as peacekeepers or protect the socialist groups.

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Postby Menna Shuli » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:54 pm

Dothrakia wrote:le tag

I'd be interested in hopping in on this as well. Dothrakia doesn't really take kindly to strong men or totalitarian states so we'd def be anti-gov. Depending on where the conflict goes maybe we act as peacekeepers or protect the socialist groups.


Important to note a few things need to be fixed by D&S in the current OP. His current state of affairs actually look more like the pre-conflict state. The country is actually under the control of the People's Freedom Coalition, a government formed by a military council of the former paramilitaries and the old Presidential Republic, with General Pedro Fresia as Chairman. They're not democratic, but the island is seeing its first peace and growth since the 1970s under their regime. None of the sides he has listed, aside from the cartels, exist anymore.
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Postby Belle Ilse en Terre » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:56 pm

Tag. I am interested in trying IC to thwart D&S a bit, and possibly support right-wing militias, especially if the lean towards monarchy or Catholicism.
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Postby Menna Shuli » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:00 pm

Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:Tag. I am interested in trying IC to thwart D&S a bit, and possibly support right-wing militias, especially if the lean towards monarchy or Catholicism.

We need to fix the OP, it's currently showing pre-conflict politics. The "right wing militias" are now the majority of the central government, along with the remnants of the ECSJ's military. They are pro-Catholicism because of their nationalism and seeing it as inherent in the Javieran identity, but they are absolutely NOT monarchist. It's unlikely for any country in the world to spontaneously generate right-wing monarchist groups if they have never had a monarchy before.

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Postby Vancouvia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:37 pm

I'm still building a railroad there

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Postby Menna Shuli » Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:42 pm

Vancouvia wrote:I'm still building a railroad there

Chances are you have at least finished the main north-south line in two years now that you aren't facing constant guerilla attacks, right?

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Postby Vancouvia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:54 pm

Yes I believe I'm on phase two for a while now

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Postby Wellsia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:04 pm

Count Wellsia in, will use this as a chance to stop the United Republic's spread of influence in the Southern Sea.

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Postby Dothrakia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:13 pm

Menna Shuli wrote:
Dothrakia wrote:le tag

I'd be interested in hopping in on this as well. Dothrakia doesn't really take kindly to strong men or totalitarian states so we'd def be anti-gov. Depending on where the conflict goes maybe we act as peacekeepers or protect the socialist groups.


Important to note a few things need to be fixed by D&S in the current OP. His current state of affairs actually look more like the pre-conflict state. The country is actually under the control of the People's Freedom Coalition, a government formed by a military council of the former paramilitaries and the old Presidential Republic, with General Pedro Fresia as Chairman. They're not democratic, but the island is seeing its first peace and growth since the 1970s under their regime. None of the sides he has listed, aside from the cartels, exist anymore.


So we have cartels vs right wing (totalitarian?) gov?

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Postby Menna Shuli » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:21 pm

Dothrakia wrote:
Menna Shuli wrote:
Important to note a few things need to be fixed by D&S in the current OP. His current state of affairs actually look more like the pre-conflict state. The country is actually under the control of the People's Freedom Coalition, a government formed by a military council of the former paramilitaries and the old Presidential Republic, with General Pedro Fresia as Chairman. They're not democratic, but the island is seeing its first peace and growth since the 1970s under their regime. None of the sides he has listed, aside from the cartels, exist anymore.


So we have cartels vs right wing (totalitarian?) gov?


No. MS is invading San Javier. D&S is going to help. The cartels just happen to be another thing that exists on the island. The sides would be Invasion vs. Defenders.

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Postby Belle Ilse en Terre » Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:15 am

Menna Shuli wrote:
Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:Tag. I am interested in trying IC to thwart D&S a bit, and possibly support right-wing militias, especially if the lean towards monarchy or Catholicism.

We need to fix the OP, it's currently showing pre-conflict politics. The "right wing militias" are now the majority of the central government, along with the remnants of the ECSJ's military. They are pro-Catholicism because of their nationalism and seeing it as inherent in the Javieran identity, but they are absolutely NOT monarchist. It's unlikely for any country in the world to spontaneously generate right-wing monarchist groups if they have never had a monarchy before.

Alright; I will stick to more covert involvement then, sending weapons and advisors.
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Postby Almorea » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:24 pm

The Almorean government is quietly pleased with less foreign competition in petroleum. In a theater on my phone- to put it simply, expect action with ALDRATO partners to ether discourage MSTO diplomatic initiatives and/or encourage disruption in oil supply
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Postby Menna Shuli » Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:07 pm

To clarify how this will all begin, the seizure of the Rayo that's currently in the news/League is going to lead to the revelation that the PFC has been providing the warlords and criminal organizations of MS with drugs to sell in exchange for a cut of the profits, which has been helping fund the new government of San Javier and has been flooding Central Argus with Javieran opioids, especially heroin, inj addition to funding the warlords. MS is going to demand the immediate cessation of these activities and, probably, some form of reparation under the threat of invasaion (an embargo would have been the first resort, but MS doesn't have the capacity for an extended embargo). The PFC also knows MS doesn't really have the resources for an invasion and tries to call their bluff by refusing, and MS refuses to blink. Enter the initial,rushed and underfunded invasion.
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:06 pm

I cant find solid footing for me to get involved on a national level. But I think it would be best if we started reforming the communists in this time. Using brulafi as a staging ground, we try to send aid to communists and reunify them. They wont be relevant in this rp, I think, but in the future they might be. Where would the communists have most chance of resurging, so you think?
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Postby Menna Shuli » Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:10 pm

Thuzbekistan wrote:I cant find solid footing for me to get involved on a national level. But I think it would be best if we started reforming the communists in this time. Using brulafi as a staging ground, we try to send aid to communists and reunify them. They wont be relevant in this rp, I think, but in the future they might be. Where would the communists have most chance of resurging, so you think?

The jungles in the east is still where the "fighting remnants" are. Many of the less die-hard youths have probably slunk off to more normalized areas, and some may have changed sides entirely and gotten recruited to the new military.

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Postby Thuzbekistan » Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:11 pm

Menna Shuli wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:I cant find solid footing for me to get involved on a national level. But I think it would be best if we started reforming the communists in this time. Using brulafi as a staging ground, we try to send aid to communists and reunify them. They wont be relevant in this rp, I think, but in the future they might be. Where would the communists have most chance of resurging, so you think?

The jungles in the east is still where the "fighting remnants" are. Many of the less die-hard youths have probably slunk off to more normalized areas, and some may have changed sides entirely and gotten recruited to the new military.

I'd need to look at the previous rp for ways to do this. I think most of San Javier happened when I wasnt in the region. Were the communists rped by anyone? If so, are there any important characters I can make contact with or do I need to invent them?
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Postby Menna Shuli » Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:49 pm

They were the "bad guys" for the most part. Only AM really supported them, and he did it indirectly through sending terrorists. Which is why they lost. No real support meant they got to be bombed into oblivion by Atnaian air supremacy. Their leadership was mostly destroyed. We can at this point start from scratch with them.
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Postby Polar Svalbard » Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:51 pm

If there's need for Polar Svalbard by the Mennan government it'll be there, otherwise status quo you know.
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Postby Menna Shuli » Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:58 pm

Too much support for MS and there really isn't a story to tell. SJ can't hold off the combined forces of like eight armies alone. lol

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Postby New Totzka » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:11 pm

In the face of all these nation's invading simultaneously I'm trying to work out how the Sindicato would mount a defence. Here's what I came up with.
My plan for the Sindicato is for them utilise their transnational influence to build up peace movements (with the potential to become militant), opposing the invasion, around the Isle painting San Javier as a defenceless nation in the face of rampant imperialism (such a narrative would play well in former colonies like D&S and Miklania, yes?) and putting pressure on the nation's aiding Menna's invasion. I'm thinking something similar to the Vietnam protests with a bit of Baader-Meinhof sprinkled in. This would occur alongside more conventional support for the cartels such as supplies and training. Thoughts?
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