Rebellion against tyrants is obedience to God [OOC]

[Lux Pulchrae]

Well your gonna have to take things into consideration:

First is the staff available and their whereabouts. At the time of your message, if this was sent in real time, my king was already on his way to Great Nortend and most likely has not received the it. He can't just drop everything and plop into Berlin.

The second thing is time. You said they'd meet two weeks from the time of the messages. This RP moves very slowly but the events happen fast and almost on 1:1 to real time, I feel anyways. It has not been two week IC wise nor even a day. I can't just send people at the present moment

[Great Nortend]

43? Damn, how old is Sir Alexander?

I think it was supposed that he was around 70, so around Prince Charles's age. I've made Albert 45 actually. Could we 'retcon' a tiny bit and have both Cleone and Albert enter the room at the same time? I could have Albert meeting Cleone and his guide (a footman?) as they walked down the corridor. It would save some pointless introductions and small talk.

Lux, can you post your representatives arriving?

To add onto what Lux Pulchrae said, you haven't specified where to meet. Berlin I presume is a large city. The whole 'invitation-cum-order' sounds too fishy to me, and I would advise Lux Pulchrae to attend with caution. Great Nortend will not be attending, for what it's worth.

[Lux Pulchrae]

43? Damn, how old is Sir Alexander?

I think it was supposed that he was around 70, so around Prince Charles's age. I've made Albert 45 actually. Could we 'retcon' a tiny bit and have both Cleone and Albert enter the room at the same time? I could have Albert meeting Cleone and his guide (a footman?) as they walked down the corridor. It would save some pointless introductions and small talk.

Sure why not. Small talk only takes up space and time here. I guess it would be a footman, i don't know what else to call him, just some staff that showed them around. Should I wipe off the introduction when they entered the room?

So just to update on what's going on with Lux Pulchrae in this whole mess, cause some have been out for a couple of days and to better sum things up for Post.

1)Gentile and d'Umbra are on their way out of Villi finally after some antics and misunderstandings

2)Major Giornada, d'Umbra's nephew has mobilized 200 men with mechanized infantry (armed APCs) to fight off the raids in the north by pagans, as well as ordering Rasvan Luca to contact Nationalist leader Remus Balan in hopes of joining forces to combat the threat in the north of which they are suffering. On a probably obsolete sidenote given the current situation, Giornada and his merry band of captains, out of great interest, have suggested a parlay with Telinburg's Nina Neacsu under the guise of peace discussion, but the motive of the "brass"(for lack of any higher ranks at the base) is more crude.

3)King Cleone d'Angeli due to lack of live reports and wanting to play a more active role in the monarchy of Posteastan, decides to head directly to Sir Alexander himself to discuss further actions of the Royalists and possible role of the monarchy.

[Keilersmoor]

All his life. He was born there and his parents have been naturalized.

This gets even better because now it REALLY plays out like the Spanish Civil War and I HIGHLY suggest you look at it and its outcomes, it is crazy.


Or just harken back to this

The Spanish Civil War was essentially, from my understanding, utter chaos on the beginning. The republic fell(kinda like Post) everyone took a side and many different factions were(kinda like Post). You had anarchists, Republicans, communists on one side(crazy right?) and on another you had nationalists, monarchists, fascists on another(hmmm). These two sides were at first loosely connected, then it practically became left vs right. Franco joins all the right forces under him, wins, and rules Spain for almost forty years. As a monarchist he wanted a king back on the throne. He basically was a king but I guess calling himself one would anger many in his party. He assured restoration of the monarchy once he thought the heir apparent was ready.

He named Juan Carlos his successor and soon in. 1975 Franco dies, Juan Carlos is Juan Carlos I and he completely screws it over and undoes the Franco regime, the one that gave him power in the first place. Ironically, the reason he was chosen is because Franco thought his father, Juan, was too liberal, so Franco skips Juan and named Juan Carlos the future heir(BIG WINK WINK NUDGE AND THINKING EMOJI).

On an additional note, Juan Carlos was born outside of his patria, an exile, he was born in Rome. So this really sparks my Franco-era Spain fantasies.

Maybe my king can persuade whoever the next king is to see things differently. But we can play this all out in the IC

Meh, what utter crap. It only shows that you have absolutely no clue about history! I mean if IF! This RP had the slightest similarities to the Spanish Civil War than answer me the following questions: Where are the separatists like the Catalans and Basques in this RP? See? And if this would be in any way related to Spain the conflict would have been triggered by a far-right state official in a distant province refusing to follow orders. Okay, we have royalists, I give you that. But the royalists of the Spanish Civil War (at least one of the groups) wore distinctive red berets! There was also no Nationalist and Republican side in the Civil War but both sides were heavily fragmented and on occasions fought themselves. Finally, the fascists in the Spanish Civil War had massive outside support while the Government was blocked by nominally anti-fascist powers from receiving supplies…oh…wait…

Now, joke aside, at first sight I thought this is in a way base on the Kosovo conflict (with Kolvce being Kosovo because of the size and the name) or the Yugoslavian Wars but the more I look at it the more it resembles the Spanish Civil War. In so many details. Forest cannot decide to make a move to help the government while the fascist keep marching on. If this is the Spanish Civil war wouldn't that make Kenmoria Mexico and Kjalaara the Soviet Union? Strange things happen in here.

[Lux Pulchrae]

But then that would mean Kenmoria actually supplies Telinburg instead of rounding up slaves and... wow, looking at the USSR involvement they practically armed an army. Hundreds of thousand of guns, hundreds of tanks and airplanes and 2,000 men.

More people than I thought were involved in this. There were Poles, Yugoslavs, Austrians, Czechs, Canandians, Americans, Mexicans, Scandinavians, Hungarians, even Jewish and Irish volunteers. And ALL if not most, were volunteered and in favor of the Republican side. That went well.

[Caracasus]

Actual OOC trivia. My great grandad was in the international brigades as a volunteer during the Spanish civil war.

[Danlina]

Hey Allanea, just hoping you didn't forget about the deal with the Wrights and my post of them completing their side of the deal...

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

Okay I seem to have failed to complete my post properly.

I apologize, I'm a bit ill.

Now...

As I understand it OOC, Kenmoria's slavery operation does exist, but it's somewhat subtle - in that only a small proportion of the 'employees' are slaves in any recognizable fashion.

This does mean Allanea's military operation is not really of much use to solve this problem, but it also probably does mean that CE might be able to be persuaded to abandon the use of slave labor because it likely represents only a small proportion of its labor costs.

That is correct; CE aren’t willing to completely enslave their entire workforce due to publicity and the massive expense required. However, some slavery is still used to make up the numbers and fill in the gaps. The corporation would be open to possible abandoning the practice, but will likely keep it due to it working and forming a useful bargaining chip.

But wouldn't wage slavery - in this instance effectively tying your workers to the company, starving them and forcing their reliance on you along with threats of homelessness and constant prevention through brainwashing strategies and coercion - be a lot more efficient, without the malus of bad publicity?

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

And we're now pro-statist!

[Shwe Tu Colony]

You can just set up your shop(s) and start posting.

Not entirely sure if this will matter, but could I have Sousundowa rent out an entire restaurant space in a building, or would a more open-air series of tents kind of like a night market make more sense?

[Lux Pulchrae]

Sorry I keep going back to Spain guys, it's just a part of history that's always fascinated me and it has been completely overlooked and misunderstood by history.

https://i.redd.it/9kfivuq0bcs11.jpg

^One of the reasons I'll never align with any communist/socialist nation, IRL and IC-wise. Pope Pius XII even essentially made communism illegal in the Catholic. Red Terror killed THOUSANDS of clergy out of nothing but pure hate. Subsequently with the White Terror, Nationalists did commit horrible acts too.

Lotharia and Lux Pulchrae have historical relations with each other. Though the MTO has been retconned, I think a similar smaller royal summit still occurred.

Lux Pulchrae would be familiar with this type of message.

And, do you want me to rewrite the message then?

We've had previous interactions, but you make it sound like we're France and Britain. I'm not skirting you or anything, just saying

[Caracasus]

You can just set up your shop(s) and start posting.

Not entirely sure if this will matter, but could I have Sousundowa rent out an entire restaurant space in a building, or would a more open-air series of tents kind of like a night market make more sense?

Why not both? A repurposed warehouse that has a very large half covered loading bay or what have you attached.

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Sorry I keep going back to Spain guys, it's just a part of history that's always fascinated me and it has been completely overlooked and misunderstood by history.

https://i.redd.it/9kfivuq0bcs11.jpg

^One of the reasons I'll never align with any communist/socialist nation, IRL and IC-wise. Pope Pius XII even essentially made communism illegal in the Catholic. Red Terror killed THOUSANDS of clergy out of nothing but pure hate. Subsequently with the White Terror, Nationalists did commit horrible acts too.

Lotharia and Lux Pulchrae have historical relations with each other. Though the MTO has been retconned, I think a similar smaller royal summit still occurred.

Lux Pulchrae would be familiar with this type of message.

And, do you want me to rewrite the message then?

We've had previous interactions, but you make it sound like we're France and Britain. I'm not skirting you or anything, just saying

Hm. Probably best to remember however that this isn't the Spanish civil war though. Quite apart from anything else, there's no left wing movement whatsoever in the country.

Indeed, my next posts will detail an almost complete removal of Caracasus from the political and military arena. Aid will still be delivered of course, but officially the nation simply can't justify throwing resources into Posteastan.

There will still, of course, be reporting on the ongoing situation however.

[Lux Pulchrae]

Hm. Probably best to remember however that this isn't the Spanish civil war though. Quite apart from anything else, there's no left wing movement whatsoever in the country.

Indeed, my next posts will detail an almost complete removal of Caracasus from the political and military arena. Aid will still be delivered of course, but officially the nation simply can't justify throwing resources into Posteastan.

There will still, of course, be reporting on the ongoing situation however.

Maybe not socialist/communists but the Renegades can be seen as anarchists, and there may not be DIRECT involvement but there is still the whole of Forest discerning what to do in Posteastan. And I get it's not the Spanish war but looking back at the Posteastan conflict, its content and its current climate, it reminded me much of it.

And there are the cat herders.

[Caracasus]

Hm. Probably best to remember however that this isn't the Spanish civil war though. Quite apart from anything else, there's no left wing movement whatsoever in the country.

Indeed, my next posts will detail an almost complete removal of Caracasus from the political and military arena. Aid will still be delivered of course, but officially the nation simply can't justify throwing resources into Posteastan.

There will still, of course, be reporting on the ongoing situation however.

Maybe not socialist/communists but the Renegades can be seen as anarchists, and there may not be DIRECT involvement but there is still the whole of Forest discerning what to do in Posteastan. And I get it's not the Spanish war but looking back at the Posteastan conflict, its content and its current climate, it reminded me much of it.

And there are the cat herders.

The renegades can't be seen as anarchists. I mean, they have weapons and they're in the middle of a civil war but beyond that there!s simply no common ground between them and the CNT.

Beyond that, Forest's involvement has been largely to provide aid and try to work towards a diplomatic solution. While some Forestian nations are sort of trying to work out a contingency plan for when the death camps start up in earnest, there's no indicator so far that anything will come of that.

I guess you could start to consider Cat Hearders volunteers as supplying something like the international brigades but even that I think would be a false equivilence. They are fighting for the Kolve sepratists who are by no means the POUM.

I think the angle I will be taking with at least some of Caracasusians is 'look what happens when you let a bunch of reactionaries take the wheel.'

[Uan aa Boa]

That would be to make the common mistake of confusing anarchy in the sense of chaos with anarchism as a political philosophy.

Remember also that Forest is not a left wing organisation even if it contains some left wing voices. There have been as many Forest nations supporting the Royalists as have been engaging in socialist rhetoric. Don't confuse opposition to fascism with socialism - it's necessary but not sufficient.

Damn - ninja'd by Caracasus.

[Posteastan]

There is no anarchist faction in Posteastan. The Renegades are as much capitalists as the Royalists. The Sorinna Movement that emerged from the Moralists is the only group with left-leaning tendencies therefore the Royalists take good care to kill every member of that group. The Renegades no longer care about the rest of Posteastan as they have enough weapons and money to keep their territory infinitely afloat.

[Caracasus]

A note on the 'intelligence' gathered on the King's immediate descendents. I've been talking to Posteastan about it. Broadly speaking what is there is mostly accurate, but very light on information. After all, until a few months ago the family wasn't even really considered by most people so most of the source material is from Tabloids and the occasional source close to the family. There won't be any gross inaccuracies, but the speculation may be way out.

It's also important to note that all that info is available to everyone. All International Observations is doing is collating what is already in the public sphere.

[Lux Pulchrae]

Those were quite the bold and slanderous accusations you got there. Some would even call it hearsay.

Is this tabloid distributed only through Caracasus or everywhere? And would my men at Villi have the ability to see it before their departure?

[Caracasus]

Those were quite the bold and slanderous accusations you got there. Some would even call it hearsay.

Is this tabloid distributed only through Caracasus or everywhere? And would my men at Villi have the ability to see it before their departure?

It's freely distributed anywhere really. Assuming they carry some sort of device that can access the internet, they'd probably be able to read it.

[United City States of Oceania]

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[Lux Pulchrae]

Good thing my king's in a meeting, my two top administrators in this situation are stuck at Villi and there next to no internet in Posteastan so no one of worth on my part can see this...yet.

There is no anarchist faction in Posteastan. The Renegades are as much capitalists as the Royalists. The Sorinna Movement that emerged from the Moralists is the only group with left-leaning tendencies therefore the Royalists take good care to kill every member of that group. The Renegades no longer care about the rest of Posteastan as they have enough weapons and money to keep their territory infinitely afloat.

Also, I wouldn't ascribe my own forces to these actions against the Sorinna movement, as it is non-military. These actions make the Royalists seem like genocidal maniacs when there has never been an order to do so from my commanders or anyone and greatly hurt the Royalist cause.

[Caracasus]

Good thing my king's in a meeting, my two top administrators in this situation are stuck at Villi and there next to no internet in Posteastan so no one of worth on my part can see this...yet.

I'd imagine what with satellites and that your advisors would be able to keep up with current affairs though? I dunno, it's your call really.

[Uan aa Boa]

I'd imagine what with satellites and that your advisors would be able to keep up with current affairs though? I dunno, it's your call really.

A number of other posters have certainly been assuming there's good internet on Villi Island, but I'm not sure how tech-orientated the Lux delegation are.

[Lux Pulchrae]

A number of other posters have certainly been assuming there's good internet on Villi Island, but I'm not sure how tech-orientated the Lux delegation are.

Currently, Gentile left his sat-phone in Leozina and d'Umbra carries a flip phone but wouldn't dare use it in Villi. I'll just wait for everyone else to post.

[Caracasus]

I'd imagine what with satellites and that your advisors would be able to keep up with current affairs though? I dunno, it's your call really.

A number of other posters have certainly been assuming there's good internet on Villi Island, but I'm not sure how tech-orientated the Lux delegation are.

The internet is pretty decent on Villi island for sure. I mean if we're talking about the very sparsely populated regions of Caracasus you'd probably be relying on satelite based internet (one of the causes of friction between the countries that make up Caracasus is what many see as an inconsistent ability to fully remove some of the divisions between urban and rural Caracasus) but you're certainly going to get a good connection on an island chosen to host a diplomatic conference.