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Rebellion against tyrants is obedience to God [OOC]

A staging-point for declarations of war and other major diplomatic events. [In character]

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24
11%
Government
40
19%
Moralists
13
6%
Nationalists
28
13%
Royalists
41
19%
Renegades
39
18%
Seperatists
11
5%
Stateists
17
8%
 
Total votes : 213

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Great Nortend
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Postby Great Nortend » Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:53 pm

Aha, I was wondering what a Lieutenant Corporal was!
News from Great Nortend : https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=417866
Diplomacy, Consulates &c. : https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=417865

This nation is an exaggerated representation of my personal views in most areas.

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Uan aa Boa
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Uan aa Boa » Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:23 am

Karevka wrote:I'm leaving the RP. I'm in way over my head with this. I didn't communicate or plan with the other players and I fucked everything up. I had fun, really.

People are IC critical of your IC actions. It doesn't mean anyone's having a go at you OOC. Your forces fighting alongside the statists doesn't harm the RP as far as I can see and it creates an interesting division amongst the left wing nations.

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Caracasus
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Postby Caracasus » Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:26 am

Uan aa Boa wrote:
Karevka wrote:I'm leaving the RP. I'm in way over my head with this. I didn't communicate or plan with the other players and I fucked everything up. I had fun, really.

People are IC critical of your IC actions. It doesn't mean anyone's having a go at you OOC. Your forces fighting alongside the statists doesn't harm the RP as far as I can see and it creates an interesting division amongst the left wing nations.


Seconded! We're not having a dig at you OOC.

Besides, the Great Circular Firing Squad is basically a tradition among left wingers.
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Caracasus
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Postby Caracasus » Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:30 am

Karevka wrote:Would it be a good idea to focus more on arming and supplying the Karevkans, Nationalists and Socialists rather than waiting for more manpower? Like equipping lots of soldiers with flak jackets to increase chances of survival or giving a few men in each platoon a disposable rocket launcher. I'm not looking to give every single guy a boats worth of ammo, ten guns and power armor, just reinforcing them a bit.


That would make a great deal more sense to me. From your point of view you probably want to do a couple of things.

1. Deny everything. It's a tried and tested method practised by many nations in real life from the USA through to the UK, France and Russia. Firstly deny they were in country to begin with. If that lie doesn't hold, those soldiers weren't sent by you they were concerned citizens of your nation fighting to ensure the safety of the Karevka Diaspora. The fact they are also paid up members of your armed forces doesn't mean anything as you have no say in what they do in their downtime. The photos were doctored, the videos faked. The equipment was surplus gear you already sold on to a third party.

2. Start arming groups covertly, as you have suggested.
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Allanea
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Postby Allanea » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:56 am

I was thinking about the logistics difficulties that the groups that want to send aid to Posteastan are going to be facing, and here's what I came up with:

1. As has been said, repeatedly, in the RP, what we have is two harbors, both under control by very shifty groups at best, and an airport, which is very badly secured and has recently changed hands in fighting and damaged, and it's not unlikely that it may do so again. The roads are also in very bad shape, as is the phone network.

2. There are shortages of every thing that there may be shortages of, but while food shortages are a thing, the principal issue is the shortage of medication and flu vaccines, and outright famine has not started.

Here are some solutions which I have thought of, I've referenced some of them in my posts:

a) Posteastan is a fairly large nation (as I understand, it's about intended to be resembling a mid-sized Eastern European country, but may be bigger) and realistically should have having lots of small local airfields which we can use to land equipment, and possibly we could expand them.

b) Posteastan has fairly large rivers, which are navigable at least by some freighters. We ought to be able to shift cargos all the way up to Leozina and unload them there.

c) More importantly, our chief issues are currently flu vaccination and food supply. These are relatively compact. It should be viable for our nations to communicate with hospitals around the nation and have the local medical staff distribute the vaccines.

d) Research IRL shows that most famines are not a result of food being physically absent from a country, but rather economic issues. The World Health Organization actually recommends short-term cash handouts as being superior to trying to get food into place, which can offer suffer from delays. It's feasible in my mind to have some cash handed out simultaneously with food.

e) I think one more thing we could do is have the nations involved in this crisis take up Posteastani refugees. If Posteastani are given the legal option to move away from the conflict zone and into countries where they can make a better living for themselves, it'll ease pressure on the country, and of course reduce the Syndicate's source of victims.

Another issue I'd like to ask about is – why is nobody competing with Construction Enterprises, or at least in the phone space? I've done some work for companies that provided Internet services in developing countries and I know there is a better mousetrap than what is described, but I don't want to do it myself because I want to focus on my anti-slavery and humanitarian relief hats and I don't want it to seem like I am butting into y'all's sphere of influence. I can provide OOC technical advice if any of you want some.
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Great Nortend
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Postby Great Nortend » Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:13 am

I suspect because rolling out a telephone network isn't particularly interesting for RP purposes. I consider that fresh food is available, but expensive. They're obviously not starving, but it might be that they are surviving on cabbages and bread. Indeed, that is one of the plot points I am planning; the delivery of presently 'useless' food which will be useful later on. At least in Leozina, there seems to be a strong-ish economy with shops, workers, jobs &c. Not sure what everyone that's not involved in commerce and retail does though... manufacturing maybe? I do think the total lack of airports seems a bit odd, but there are seemingly numerous military airstrips, which I have used. I'm not too sure how important vaccinations would be; flu happens every year and I suspect could be dealt with IC with hygiene efforts rather than mass vaccinations.
News from Great Nortend : https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=417866
Diplomacy, Consulates &c. : https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=417865

This nation is an exaggerated representation of my personal views in most areas.

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Allanea
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Postby Allanea » Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:20 am

As I understand there's a very serious epidemic of a very lethal strain of flu that's been mentioned upthread.
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Caracasus
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Postby Caracasus » Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:50 am

As per previous posts the flu epidemic is serious. I have also detailed medical supplies being sent out.

It appears the general consensus of many nations providing aid is that it is being done. May I suggest the posts soon detail it being delivered?
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Allanea
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Postby Allanea » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:39 am

My sole objection is that to do so properly we need the cooperation of hospitals, etc. in Posteastan, and I'm not sure if the player wants us to RP it explicitly or to just assume such cooperation occurs.
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Uan aa Boa
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Uan aa Boa » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:47 am

I've been lazily saying "we're sending aid" but as a nation of black communists who foreswear air transport as far as possible we can't exactly waltz in and start handing out food parcels.

My suggestion would be that everyone sending aid RPs there participation at the Forest summit that Caracasus posted about a few hours ago, leaving room for honoured guests as well as Forest nations.
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Karevka
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Postby Karevka » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:39 am

So I'm holding a news conference regarding the crisis, who wants to come?

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Kenmoria
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Postby Kenmoria » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:19 am

Karevka wrote:So I'm holding a news conference regarding the crisis, who wants to come?

Representatives from Construction Enterprises and the Kenmorian government could be there, as that will give me an opportunity to expand on the humanitarian aid given, since I have also realised that’s been relegated to vague allusions now that aim focusing on the corporate controversy.
Hello! I’m a GAer and NS Roleplayer from the United Kingdom.
My pronouns are he/him.
Any posts that I make as GenSec will be clearly marked as such and OOC. Conversely, my IC ambassador in the General Assembly is Ambassador Fortier. I’m always happy to discuss ideas about proposals, particularly if grammar or wording are in issue. I am also Executive Deputy Minister for the WA Ministry of TNP.
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Caracasus
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Postby Caracasus » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:21 am

Allanea wrote:My sole objection is that to do so properly we need the cooperation of hospitals, etc. in Posteastan, and I'm not sure if the player wants us to RP it explicitly or to just assume such cooperation occurs.


We will wait for Posteastan then I reckon.

Karevka wrote:So I'm holding a news conference regarding the crisis, who wants to come?


Oh, there'll be Caracasusian press in attendance. There usually is.
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Caracasus
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Postby Caracasus » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:22 am

Kenmoria wrote:
Karevka wrote:So I'm holding a news conference regarding the crisis, who wants to come?

Representatives from Construction Enterprises and the Kenmorian government could be there, as that will give me an opportunity to expand on the humanitarian aid given, since I have also realised that’s been relegated to vague allusions now that aim focusing on the corporate controversy.


Decent plan. Must say I am loving what you are doing so far!
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Kenmoria
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Postby Kenmoria » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:25 am

Caracasus wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:Representatives from Construction Enterprises and the Kenmorian government could be there, as that will give me an opportunity to expand on the humanitarian aid given, since I have also realised that’s been relegated to vague allusions now that aim focusing on the corporate controversy.


Decent plan. Must say I am loving what you are doing so far!

Thanks, I am really liking the current storylines at play.
Hello! I’m a GAer and NS Roleplayer from the United Kingdom.
My pronouns are he/him.
Any posts that I make as GenSec will be clearly marked as such and OOC. Conversely, my IC ambassador in the General Assembly is Ambassador Fortier. I’m always happy to discuss ideas about proposals, particularly if grammar or wording are in issue. I am also Executive Deputy Minister for the WA Ministry of TNP.
Kenmoria is an illiberal yet democratic nation pursuing the goals of communism in a semi-effective fashion. It has a very broad diplomatic presence despite being economically developing, mainly to seek help in recovering from the effect of a recent civil war. Read the factbook here for more information; perhaps, I will eventually finish it.

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Karevka
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Postby Karevka » Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:08 pm

When do we want to start the press conference?

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Caracasus
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Postby Caracasus » Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:20 pm

Karevka wrote:When do we want to start the press conference?


I was planning to wait until you made the announcement or opening speech and then have some journalists ask some very journalistically important questions.
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Kenmoria
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Postby Kenmoria » Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:22 pm

To clarify, Karevka, has the conference started with your latest post?
Hello! I’m a GAer and NS Roleplayer from the United Kingdom.
My pronouns are he/him.
Any posts that I make as GenSec will be clearly marked as such and OOC. Conversely, my IC ambassador in the General Assembly is Ambassador Fortier. I’m always happy to discuss ideas about proposals, particularly if grammar or wording are in issue. I am also Executive Deputy Minister for the WA Ministry of TNP.
Kenmoria is an illiberal yet democratic nation pursuing the goals of communism in a semi-effective fashion. It has a very broad diplomatic presence despite being economically developing, mainly to seek help in recovering from the effect of a recent civil war. Read the factbook here for more information; perhaps, I will eventually finish it.

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Karevka
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Postby Karevka » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:12 pm

Kenmoria wrote:To clarify, Karevka, has the conference started with your latest post?

Yes.

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Union of Albandrite Socialist Republics
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Postby Union of Albandrite Socialist Republics » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:18 pm

UASR state media will likely attend the conference.
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Karevka
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Postby Karevka » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:22 pm

Union of Albandrite Socialist Republics wrote:UASR state media will likely attend the conference.

Luckily for you, it just started.

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Lux Pulchrae
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Postby Lux Pulchrae » Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:20 pm

Does this press meeting invite everyone?

If it does, can it be assumed I've sent people already?

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Karevka
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Postby Karevka » Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:43 pm

Lux Pulchrae wrote:Does this press meeting invite everyone?

If it does, can it be assumed I've sent people already?


Yes your news people are there.

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Lux Pulchrae
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Postby Lux Pulchrae » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:05 pm

Posteastan wrote:
Same here. We ungently need to slow things down. There are some things that are not related Allanea's terrorist hunting for example. It does not matter when it takes place. Same with the special operations regarding the oligarchs. I really have to work on that for the next RPs. The invasion is on a completely different time scale and has several weeks between each post.

My first suggestion would be to freeze the intervention now. Meaning that from now on every new type of troop movement has to have its equivalent of time passed on the ground. I would allow Kjalaara's ships to be in place as they have been the last to post but that's that then. If no massive amount of troops are moved around the different time scales are not of great concern. So, ideas?


Maybe move one day at a time, all set by you deciding along with us, if we can all move to the next day. But that might be too complex and restrict players but you're the DM right? But also the times do get a bit confusing not knowing what is happening when.

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Karevka
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Postby Karevka » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:46 pm

DM? Ah, a man of culture.

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