OOC Thread for LGBT Protestors Attacked by Government Forces

[Vionna-Frankenlisch]

Right. I have decided that Lanorth should remain a monarchy. The Free Kingdom of Lanorth is still in the civil war between monarchists and anti-monarchists but I am going to find a way to get rid of Kamburgh and replace him with an Emperor or Empress who have gained the support of the anti-monarchists. Is everyone okay with this? Also, Edom, can you reconisder my void from the IC now I have decided? I know what you are probably going to say:
'Butyou say you will keep it a monarchy but you always end up changing it!'
Trust me, I will not. I will keep it simple. Lanorth is a monarchy and whatever way the civil war ends it will remain a monarchy. Please, Edom, consider this. Thank you.

How about we just set up a separate thread for the Civil War, so we don't have to clog up this thread?

[Lanorth]

Right. I have decided that Lanorth should remain a monarchy. The Free Kingdom of Lanorth is still in the civil war between monarchists and anti-monarchists but I am going to find a way to get rid of Kamburgh and replace him with an Emperor or Empress who have gained the support of the anti-monarchists. Is everyone okay with this? Also, Edom, can you reconisder my void from the IC now I have decided? I know what you are probably going to say:
'Butyou say you will keep it a monarchy but you always end up changing it!'
Trust me, I will not. I will keep it simple. Lanorth is a monarchy and whatever way the civil war ends it will remain a monarchy. Please, Edom, consider this. Thank you.

How about we just set up a separate thread for the Civil War, so we don't have to clog up this thread?

But when that civil war is over I know that I would want to come back to this thread to see what has happened and if it is in Lanorth's interests to intervene in something. I will set up the OOC thread first and then the IC thread. Is that okay? I will post the link when it is up and running.

[Vionna-Frankenlisch]

How about we just set up a separate thread for the Civil War, so we don't have to clog up this thread?

But when that civil war is over I know that I would want to come back to this thread to see what has happened and if it is in Lanorth's interests to intervene in something. I will set up the OOC thread first and then the IC thread. Is that okay? I will post the link when it is up and running.

That's sensible. Remember that doing this is not only good RPing etiquette, but it also allows you to develop your nation through RPing it. That's how all the best developments are made, by playing them out yourself.

[Lanorth]

But when that civil war is over I know that I would want to come back to this thread to see what has happened and if it is in Lanorth's interests to intervene in something. I will set up the OOC thread first and then the IC thread. Is that okay? I will post the link when it is up and running.

That's sensible. Remember that doing this is not only good RPing etiquette, but it also allows you to develop your nation through RPing it. That's how all the best developments are made, by playing them out yourself.

Alright, thank you.

[Lanorth]

OOC thread for my new roleplay concerning the Tyronian Civil War. Feel free to ask questions on it if you desire. It is open to all, after all. The IC thread is in development.

[Cossack Khanate]

I can't fucking decide on what suits Lanorth better, a monarchy or a republic and I bet you you cannot come up with a reason why Lanorth should be a state with a monarchy. If you can come up with a good reason and I can see that reason Lanorth shall become a monarchy, though still in civil war.

I'm not saying that Lanorth should be a monarchy. I have said once and I'll say it again, I do not care what you want your government to be and it is not my place to judge you on your preference. I only wish that you'd make a choice and transition to it with patience and while observing good etiquette. I would advise that you make a choice and RP out the Civil War, with the new government type you want winning out. I don't mind losing the Civil War if it can be RPed properly; if it means we finally sort this issue out.

When I joined NationStates, my country was called the Socialist Republic of Holdaria. I did an RP or too, I wasn't very good, but I learned. Very quickly I decided that I did not want to play as a Socialist country; I made Vionna-Frankenlisch and developed it from there. My political dysphoria was not answered by changing types every other day, it was solved by considering my options, deciding what I wanted and making a new nation based on that. I'm not telling you to start a new nation and start over, I'm just saying that you should take some time to consider your options and decide what you want best. From there you can steer Lanorth in that direction, using your Civil War as an opportunity to do so.

Don't decide on what you think is the best system. Decide on what you would like to play as, what you think fits Lanorth. I don't think anyone knows this but a year ago I was seriously considering killing off my King and bringing in Mosely-style Fascism, where the monarchy are basically puppets, probably through a Civil War. But I decided against it because it didn't fit what Vionna-Frankenlisch was and it isn't what I enjoy RPing Vionna-Frankenlisch as.

I've gone on, I know. But just think about what I've said.

Completely agree here. When I started (this is my first nation), I started as a secular fascist dictatorship whose environment sucked. Now, I actually have a monarchy and some public education. You can change with time, but it needs to suit your people. Cossacks wouldn’t want a democracy. I imagine, from what Vionna RPs like, Frankenlisch is a modernizing economy but it has a rich history that is traditionally monarchical. I had to ret-con my nation’s history and geography because it didn’t fit with the monarchy, sure, but you really have to think about what you want your nation to look like. Even just a regular street. That can be affected by government too. The Khanate has policemen on every street (high population + strict government), and I imagine in my head that Vionna has broad streets with nice architecture and generally sunny days, something European. You just have to think about it. I’m not even saying this for my benefit, because honestly if an RPer needs help, it’s the rest of us’ place to offer help.

[New Aeyariss]

So, I would like to talk to some people-anyone really-about a rough idea for my first post and actions.

What does Lotharia intend to gain from this, even?

[Lanorth]

IC Thread for the Tyronian Civil War.

[Solisian Union]

Ardoki, your actions against the embassy shall be taken as one more step towards possible hostilities. It will increase tensions unnecessarily.

[Ardoki]

Ardoki, your actions against the embassy shall be taken as one more step towards possible hostilities. It will increase tensions unnecessarily.

Moriarty would be willing to let the Solisians leave (and of course the Ardokians returning back to Ardoki as well) if Princess Mara (the New Edomite princess who seems to be a bit of a singer as well) can beat him in a song contest.

[Solisian Union]

Ardoki, your actions against the embassy shall be taken as one more step towards possible hostilities. It will increase tensions unnecessarily.

Moriarty would be willing to let the Solisians leave (and of course the Ardokians returning back to Ardoki as well) if Princess Mara (the New Edomite princess who seems to be a bit of a singer as well) can beat him in a song contest.

Release the staff and withdraw your men or risk Solisian declaration of war.

[Ardoki]

Moriarty would be willing to let the Solisians leave (and of course the Ardokians returning back to Ardoki as well) if Princess Mara (the New Edomite princess who seems to be a bit of a singer as well) can beat him in a song contest.

Release the staff and withdraw your men or risk Solisian declaration of war.

Pay for the electricity, gas, water, phone, and internet usage if you want access to it again.

[Solisian Union]

Release the staff and withdraw your men or risk Solisian declaration of war.

Pay for the electricity, gas, water, phone, and internet usage if you want access to it again.

Release the staff and withdraw your men or risk Solisian declaration of war.

[Ardoki]

Pay for the electricity, gas, water, phone, and internet usage if you want access to it again.

Release the staff and withdraw your men or risk Solisian declaration of war.

They are free to leave the embassy. In fact, we welcome it.

[Solisian Union]

Release the staff and withdraw your men or risk Solisian declaration of war.

They are free to leave the embassy. In fact, we welcome it.

Withdraw your men and your intent to raid the embassy or to arrest them for investigation and we will consider doing that.

[Ardoki]

They are free to leave the embassy. In fact, we welcome it.

Withdraw your men and your intent to raid the embassy or to arrest them for investigation and we will consider doing that.

The Ardokian government can't interfere with any investigations just because of international pressure, that would make a mockery of our laws.

Perhaps if your government apologised for vandalising our embassy in Solisia, evicting them without valid reason, and admits to funding terrorism and compensates the victims and the Ardokian government. Then they might be allowed to leave, after the deal is signed of course.

[Solisian Union]

Withdraw your men and your intent to raid the embassy or to arrest them for investigation and we will consider doing that.

The Ardokian government can't interfere with any investigations just because of international pressure, that would make a mockery of our laws.

Perhaps if your government apologised for vandalising our embassy in Solisia, evicting them without valid reason, and admits to funding terrorism and compensates the victims and the Ardokian government. Then they might be allowed to leave, after the deal is signed of course.

Solisia has stripped your embassy of their rights to remain and has ordered yours to leave. Moreso, your embassy has been evicted due to outrage over the burning of Christians, false or not, that was not a welcome action. And more importantly, there is no proof of terrorist funding from Solisia.

[Ardoki]

The Ardokian government can't interfere with any investigations just because of international pressure, that would make a mockery of our laws.

Perhaps if your government apologised for vandalising our embassy in Solisia, evicting them without valid reason, and admits to funding terrorism and compensates the victims and the Ardokian government. Then they might be allowed to leave, after the deal is signed of course.

Solisia has stripped your embassy of their rights to remain and has ordered yours to leave. Moreso, your embassy has been evicted due to outrage over the burning of Christians, false or not, that was not a welcome action. And more importantly, there is no proof of terrorist funding from Solisia.

My government claims there is proof, which is all the evidence it needs.

Anyway, how about a compromise. Those people from your embassy must feature in one of Alistaire Moriarty's concerts? Probably not backup dancing since they are not trained, but I'm sure they can fit in somehow. Don't worry, they won't be killed. They can go back to Solisia after the performance.

[New Edom]

Ardoki, your actions against the embassy shall be taken as one more step towards possible hostilities. It will increase tensions unnecessarily.

Moriarty would be willing to let the Solisians leave (and of course the Ardokians returning back to Ardoki as well) if Princess Mara (the New Edomite princess who seems to be a bit of a singer as well) can beat him in a song contest.

Queen-Empress Mara. You should challenge her.

[Ardoki]

Moriarty would be willing to let the Solisians leave (and of course the Ardokians returning back to Ardoki as well) if Princess Mara (the New Edomite princess who seems to be a bit of a singer as well) can beat him in a song contest.

Queen-Empress Mara. You should challenge her.

He just might, as soon as I can finish an assignment with an upcoming due date.

[New Edom]

I'm back, had personal life stuff that required taking care of.


Now, I would like to iterate a plan for Lotharian strategy:

-Feel out the situation, organize minor diplomatic talks one-on-one
-Discuss with representatives from both sides of the conflict, especially from New Edom itself
-Drill it's Military
-Decide on the action to take based on what will be the most advantageous. New Edom, being a superpower, isn't easy to topple, and as such Lotharia is not going to try to topple such a giant without understanding what would overall be better for it, and it's allies. It'd be akin to France trying to topple Russia through revolution or invasion, maybe with more equal numbers and resources. It's just not going to work.
-Seek long-term strategic gain, and in this specific conflict ally with whatever will give it the greater advantage. Possibly achieve more ideological goals, but those are secondary to strategic and national security objectives, seeking to use this as a Diplomatic breakout to raise Lotharian standing, and secure relations with strategic potential partners.


These are all very vague and flexible. Lotharia is not naive nor is it completely ruthless. It will act, calmly and analytically.

Sounds fair enough so far.

[Common Territories]

[Ardoki]

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Easier to justify giving up the diplomats by losing a singing contest than appearing to buckle to threats.

EDIT: At least for Moriarty it is, probably would be just plain weird for most leaders.

[Common Territories]

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Easier to justify giving up the diplomats by losing a singing contest than appearing to buckle to threats.

EDIT: At least for Moriarty it is, probably would be just plain weird for most leaders.

I mean I haven't gotten to writing yet, but im considering adding a portion of my leadership's reaction to such a bizarre reply. Regardless, most in the Empire are thrown aback by the challenge because it's just so unreal of a response by a foreign government. After all it sounds like it's a plot to a musical genre film than an actual attempt at diplomatic negotiations. So it's understandable how many think this is just an attempt to troll the Empire, which likely will piss off quite a few people...

[Common Territories]

Im not exactly sure how you wish to carry on with this next part Ardoki, but I'll be sure to either get Sal to take part or get the information required to carry on the plot. For now I suppose your next post can simply be some writing describing setting up the conference and your opening lines in said phone conference; don't worry about dealing with the actual setup of the conference, rather we'll just move on to the discussion itself if that's alright?