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Common Territories
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Postby Common Territories » Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:33 pm

Im generally on the side of it going either way. Im not optimistic enough to not believe a "war" wont happen, but how big a scale a war will be depends on who jumps into it. I do agree the war should be naturally gotten to, but if nations wish to jump start and go for the fruit, I at least wont stop their unprepared moves. Though I would partially disagree how the factions are made and where most of the people sit. Even if im incorrect, and for some reason a non-binding UN deal wishes to invade because they decide to after some others do, I hold differing perspectives who's more adept and how many are on each side (the people who've voiced here aren't the total amount willing to defend New Edom, most of SACTO and all of Imperion is obligated to after all - Imperion already has a fleet composed on paper to dispatch after all). Go to the halls of the WA and invite them to invade with a coalition if you wish, it makes no difference to Imperion. We have no qualms with adding more bodies to the pile; we were very serious about the threats we made, after all. But just be aware that we see war for what it truly is - the realities of war and the hidden motives behind them. If you think invading a country is as righteous an act to do in order to "freeing the gays", just remember you will probably end up killing more civilians in the crossfire than saving people; invaders bring with them collateral damage and war, no one is safe on a battlefield. War is nasty, and if you wage it on a land, people and their properties are targeted regardless if intentional or not - thousands or millions of dead, billions of NSD in damage. Imperion, in the face of harming our people, have no qualms with harming yours in return. You will find we show little mercy to enemies who swipe at us, whether they're holding a rifle or not, or if they live on a military base, or in some fancy skyscrapers.

That all said, Imperion at this stage doesn't believe war is going to happen. The fact we only sent two additional regiments of Legionnaires, even if we handed out war ranks, shows we're just showing precaution. If we believed war was close at hand, we would have already organized war plans and began enacting their early implementation. Diplomacy wise, we as an organization probably wont take part in such endeavors. There's nothing for us to negotiate here, and even if there were, we believe member nations have the right to deal with their own affairs before we should get involved (without an invitation, of course). So if New Edom did invite us to one of these meetings, our staff would sit mostly quiet and observe; if your prompt them for a statement, you're probably bound to not like what we have to say regardless, so we wouldn't mince words. But at the end of the day, if you wish to avoid war with Imperion, we made it clear how to do so. Outside that, we really have no stakes here since our concerns are New Edom's security, not if they repress gays or not.
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Postby Guadalupador » Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:57 pm

New Yama is on the scene again. The Guadalupadorian government’s official positions and action will be in my next post.
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Postby Cossack Khanate » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:01 pm

I think if there is war, it will be mainly one person and everyone else jumps on them. But I don’t think it matters right now, we can always RP diplomacy and preparing military forces. I am thinking a conference between some of our nations, especially the ones who aren’t in Imperion or who don’t have a military force ready to defend (like although I have a force ready to deploy if necessary, it takes time to get packing and travel), so we can get the diplomatic part of the RP moving faster. Plus, I think some 1 on 1 talks between leaders would also be interesting to see.

I like Vionna-Frankenlisch’s post, as it highlights internal government discussion. I still haven’t gotten around to doing that. If you red my post however, I am trying to strike up conflict in the Khanate, especially because we would be a prime target of a pro-LGBT terrorist cell.
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Postby New Edom » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:15 am

Hey folks, slowly but steadily getting caught up on posts. Will do some more later.
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Postby McNernia » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:53 am

New Edom wrote:Hey folks, slowly but steadily getting caught up on posts. Will do some more later.

Could I have my Amphibious group arriving?
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Postby New Edom » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:30 am

McNernia wrote:
New Edom wrote:Hey folks, slowly but steadily getting caught up on posts. Will do some more later.

Could I have my Amphibious group arriving?


No. one of the posts I will write will be a response to you, Carloso, Cuscy, Shrai, the Imperium and TECT concerning coordination, logistics, command, communications, etc. Any forces doing "exercises" on sea, air, land in New Edomite territory will be expected to operate under Edomite command. Only after this has been received May deployments begin their movements. Smaller elements like special ops, staff, etc can move more quickly.
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Postby New Visayan Islands » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:30 am

New Visayan Islands wrote:By the way, some of my posts allude to Dominic's kids still trapped in school. Angela and Joanna; which academies are there "for foreign envoys, expatriates, military allies and corporate executives' children," by the way?

My last IC post alludes to a team being prepped for picking up the Ambassador's kids, by the way.
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Postby New Edom » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:48 am

New Visayan Islands wrote:
New Visayan Islands wrote:By the way, some of my posts allude to Dominic's kids still trapped in school. Angela and Joanna; which academies are there "for foreign envoys, expatriates, military allies and corporate executives' children," by the way?

My last IC post alludes to a team being prepped for picking up the Ambassador's kids, by the way.


Right. I'll edit my post and allude to that, thanks for the reminder.
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Postby New Edom » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:23 am

I edited a response to New Visayan Islands which includes a description of the Embassy School. If other players that have embassies would like to have any characters involved wtih it, please feel free.
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Postby Lanorth » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:41 pm

New Edom wrote:I edited a response to New Visayan Islands which includes a description of the Embassy School. If other players that have embassies would like to have any characters involved wtih it, please feel free.

I have sent an embassy request. Just wanted to let you know.
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Postby Cossack Khanate » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:45 pm

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Am I allowed to make a character inside New Edom?

I guess you could send someone, depends on what you are envisioning for that person.
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:03 pm

Cossack Khanate wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Am I allowed to make a character inside New Edom?

I guess you could send someone, depends on what you are envisioning for that person.

I meant more as someone unrelated to the nation. I didn't mean a diplomat or anything.

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Postby New Edom » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:08 pm

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
Cossack Khanate wrote:I guess you could send someone, depends on what you are envisioning for that person.

I meant more as someone unrelated to the nation. I didn't mean a diplomat or anything.

Like a tourist, journalist or student?
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Postby Common Territories » Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:53 am

viewtopic.php?p=35255052#p35255052

It would seem Fatiman decided to (A) teleport troops and (B) made up random events. Not cool.

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Postby Ru- » Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:47 am

Common Territories wrote:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=35255052#p35255052

It would seem Fatiman decided to (A) teleport troops and (B) made up random events. Not cool.


let's not pile onto him, he really seems like he is new to this and doesn't know what he is doing. Let New Edom handle it as thread OP. I sent Edom a TG with my thoughts on what should be done about him, and let's leave it at that. Ultimately it is up to the RP's owner.

and remember: do not rp responses to players who you don't feel are posting up to your standards. This is a big RP and not everyone has to acknowledge everyone else.
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Postby Kylarnatia » Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:38 am

I strongly concur with Ru's comment. The player doesn't seem to understand the full conduct of NS roleplay. Ganging up on them would not only be silly, but also a poor reflection on those that do. I recommend retconning their most recent post and continuing on with the thread.

Edom, if you do get in touch with them feel free to point them my way.
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Postby New Edom » Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:42 am

Kylarnatia wrote:I strongly concur with Ru's comment. The player doesn't seem to understand the full conduct of NS roleplay. Ganging up on them would not only be silly, but also a poor reflection on those that do. I recommend retconning their most recent post and continuing on with the thread.

Edom, if you do get in touch with them feel free to point them my way.


I've sent him three telegrams, including one in which I offered to gave him communicate in a language he's more familiar with. The last telegram got no response. I honestly don't even get what half his sentences mean..My own efforts to clear this up haven't yielded good results. If you'd care to deal with the situation, please do so. For now I've decided to ignore his posts as he's not acknowledging posts made IC or OC, and until things are resolved I'd advise others to do the same.
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Postby Kylarnatia » Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:10 am

New Edom wrote:
Kylarnatia wrote:I strongly concur with Ru's comment. The player doesn't seem to understand the full conduct of NS roleplay. Ganging up on them would not only be silly, but also a poor reflection on those that do. I recommend retconning their most recent post and continuing on with the thread.

Edom, if you do get in touch with them feel free to point them my way.


I've sent him three telegrams, including one in which I offered to gave him communicate in a language he's more familiar with. The last telegram got no response. I honestly don't even get what half his sentences mean..My own efforts to clear this up haven't yielded good results. If you'd care to deal with the situation, please do so. For now I've decided to ignore his posts as he's not acknowledging posts made IC or OC, and until things are resolved I'd advise others to do the same.


Understood, I'll drop him a telegram and see what happens.
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Postby Fatiman Federation » Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:14 am

i replied on him.
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Postby New Edom » Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:17 am

Fatiman Federation wrote:i replied on him.


When I asked you to express yourself in French if that is a language you understand better? You replied to that?
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Postby Bronze Serpent » Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:21 am

It's been a long time since Ive done anything, I guess I will join.
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Postby Fatiman Federation » Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:47 am

New Edom wrote:
Fatiman Federation wrote:i replied on him.


When I asked you to express yourself in French if that is a language you understand better? You replied to that?


I Have no time but the RP is very Conufused due to Long Event that can be read too long... But We need in IC, An Police Force and Special Ops.
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Postby New Edom » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:00 am

Fatiman Federation wrote:
New Edom wrote:
When I asked you to express yourself in French if that is a language you understand better? You replied to that?


I Have no time but the RP is very Conufused due to Long Event that can be read too long... But We need in IC, An Police Force and Special Ops.


A roleplaying mentor will contact you. Please don't write anything else in character until they help clear things up.
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:31 am

New Edom wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:I meant more as someone unrelated to the nation. I didn't mean a diplomat or anything.

Like a tourist, journalist or student?

Effectively, yes. Also, hello fellow person who's watched Yes Minister (I presume you've watched the sequel too?).

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