OOC Thread for LGBT Protestors Attacked by Government Forces

[Guadalupador]

So, why is everyone and their mother sending task forces over a government crackdown? A bit heavy handed if you ask me.

[The Chuck]

So, why is everyone and their mother sending task forces over a government crackdown? A bit heavy handed if you ask me.

Heavy Handed is the name of the game...

All seriousness, I'm sending in 2 journalists who happened to get attacked by rioters of unknown stance so I don't think that part is heavy handed... Is causing an international incident and sending 3 squads of Embassy guards to help them? Maybe...

[Ru-]

If this thing is going to devolve to the point where everyone is posting ORBATS i may just bow out. I have precious little interest in that kind of thing. Maybe calm down? No one has hinted at the possibility that they may start attacking embassies

[Thermodolia]

So, why is everyone and their mother sending task forces over a government crackdown? A bit heavy handed if you ask me.

Thermodolia isn’t. We’re just having a futile attempt at diplomacy. And things are about to get crazy.

[Japan and Pacific States]

So, why is everyone and their mother sending task forces over a government crackdown? A bit heavy handed if you ask me.

Thermodolia isn’t. We’re just having a futile attempt at diplomacy. And things are about to get crazy.

That moment when for the first time in seemingly forever, Japan isn't the one actively trying to escalate things but is preparing for the eventuality when things do escalate.

[Ru-]

I was actually looking forward to some diplomacy RP *shrugs*

[Guadalupador]

I was actually looking forward to some diplomacy RP *shrugs*

Things haven’t escalated yet.

[Japan and Pacific States]

I was actually looking forward to some diplomacy RP *shrugs*

Things haven’t escalated yet.

Keyword there being. Yet.

[New Edom]

I was actually looking forward to some diplomacy RP *shrugs*

It will be. Just a reminder to everyone: go check out the Ministry of Defense posts in my facebook. New Edom is not some tin pot dictatorship, it's a regional power with powerful allies. Sudden unexpected military incursions will not be received well.

I strongly recommend diplomacy, journalism, civilians, intelligence gathering. All those are fun, easier to write about and require fewer characters.


If people really want military activity, I recommend doing these stages

1. Depict your government deciding military action is necessary first. But why would they if there are easier ways to get what they want?

2. Depict doing the planning of operations.

3. Depict embarkation

4. Depict traveling

5. Depict arrival.

[Provostock]

Hey New Edom, I was thinking it might be cool if I were to extradite some folks found to be associated with the protests and/or Homofront. It could cause a bit of controversy to add to the situation, and allow my nation to get a bit more involved. What do you guys think?

[Common Territories]

Listen. I don't wish to send a combined Imperion fleet to New Edom if I don't have to; we already have 12,000 legionnaires on the ground and that alone would be enough help to thwart the plans of potential invaders. Cornellia has a track record of sinking interregional invaders who think they can just roll up and do as they wish too. So the reality here is I don't even have to send a fleet, any unwelcomed fleet would be targeted instantly by Cornellia's natives - Shrai's sentiment on the matter is one that's shared by most if not all Cornellians. The difference here is that I, along with many of my compatriots, are Cornellian or share deep connections with the region. We may not be welcomed with open arms, but we wouldn't face a combined fleet upon entering regional waters either. If New Edom requested it, an Imperion fleet would sail into Cornellian waters without issue whatsoever. I honestly can't say the same for other players/alliances fleets outside of SACTO's since they too were invited. Well that and the fact I don't keep up with Cornellia's friends or foes these days, so who'd be welcomed or not is something I don't really know. But I can say invaders are unwelcome since the last time someone attempted an invasion of New Edom from outside the region, they met a combined fleet and were promptly sunk before getting near land.

But here's the thing: You wont see an Imperion fleet if we don't see an invasion fleet first. We would have no reason to send reinforcements to New Edom if they didn't require them. New Edom as a state is actively letting these people leave as policy, why would they suddenly change their minds and say they want them back? No one's stopping embassies from shipping these people back through proper channels and the fact people aren't seeing an underline benefit for New Edom here is disappointing. No one's threatened an embassy yet either. So talk of sending "evacuation" forces is jumping the proverbial gun. You don't need combat brigades and aircraft carriers with the best tech available to ship people out; if you're that determined to ship people out, hire a cruise liner or send a docking ship or something; im sure New Edom would welcome them with open arms. Whether your purpose is to actually invade or not, you're not fooling anyone (if you're trying to, that is) by sending an obviously outfitted invasion force as an "just in case they need to be evacuated" force.

[Ru-]

I was actually looking forward to some diplomacy RP *shrugs*

It will be. Just a reminder to everyone: go check out the Ministry of Defense posts in my facebook. New Edom is not some tin pot dictatorship, it's a regional power with powerful allies. Sudden unexpected military incursions will not be received well.

I strongly recommend diplomacy, journalism, civilians, intelligence gathering. All those are fun, easier to write about and require fewer characters.


If people really want military activity, I recommend doing these stages

1. Depict your government deciding military action is necessary first. But why would they if there are easier ways to get what they want?

2. Depict doing the planning of operations.

3. Depict embarkation

4. Depict traveling

5. Depict arrival.

Yes thank you, this is some really good advice, and why I found this sudden escalation so alarming. If I'm going to tackle military roleplay someday, I want to arrive there naturally lol. You describe well what that might actually look like.

Nifon and Ru are practically mortal enemies, and yet we are willing to wait and see what they are actually up to. If SACTO goes on the offensive, threatens parts of the Edomite government, or sends troops out to help attack protestors, that is when people should escalate and panic. Wait until they do something bad before sending in the calvalry.

[Vionna-Frankenlisch]

I'd be most grateful if somebody would write a newspaper article about the events in the Vionna-Frankenlischian Parliament in my latest post. I think it'd be interesting to see how the Edomite Government reacts to the events and I feel it'd be more interesting to come from the foreign press rather than domestic Imperial newspapers.

[New Aeyariss]

To be frank, I do wanted to point out that movements of military forces HAVE been part of diplomacy for centuries. For that very reason, Nifon had landed bombers in New Edom. 2 strategic bombers aren't really anything that can alter a conflict, but they are sending a clear message that Nifon is standing with New Edom.

Not to mention, that people are ignoring the fact that New Edom is a sovereign, well militarized nation with a competent military and a web of alliances on it's back. When you are planing your movements, it's wise to remember that Edomite state won't just permit someone to land troops and act as they will in violation of Edomite territorial sovereignty.

That skipping the issue of evacuation being possibly done with civilian resources, which had been done before multiple times.

I can go both ways... but I am going to rise those points.

[New Aeyariss]

You know, if you want to send a message to New Edom, why not do a classic strategic bomber intercept? NATO does this all the time.

One of more militant pro-LGBT nations sends a strategic bomber to fly just outside New Edomite airspace, and Edomites (or possibly their allies) scramble to intercept and escort it. Such actions have been part of the entire cold war, and have returned ever since the Crimean crisis.

It would also be a good example of "strategic bomber diplomacy", and send a clear message to New Edom, without escalating too much and would give us a possibility of RPing a tense standoff .

[Radimostan]

Oh... I see things were moving faster than I expected

[Mediama]

I’m wary of military action as well. Only reason I’m sending a task force near the region is in case the Embassy needs to be evacuated and things escalate.

I’m sure if I go to war, I’d be lampooned with the tech I see in the RP currently.

[New Aeyariss]

I’m wary of military action as well. Only reason I’m sending a task force near the region is in case the Embassy needs to be evacuated and things escalate.

I’m sure if I go to war, I’d be lampooned with the tech I see in the RP currently.

Depends. I am not one of those nations that keep everything shiny-finy. Bulk of Nifon's fighter fleet is built out of 4.5GEN aircraft, to be frank.

The problem is, that New Edom had been several times in the past invaded over the issue of gay rights (and defeated each of those invasions). So the moment a large fleet rolls near the Archeonian continent, a lot of nations are bound to get mad. Add to that, the evacuation could be carried out via civilian means; considering that I highly doubt that Edomite state will let Mediaman armed forces personnel to access Edomite territory without explicit permission.

The fact that said carrier group will be outgunned in Cornellian waters, set at mercy of several nations enjoying the homeland advantage, is another matter.

[New Visayan Islands]

IC, the ORBAT I listed is intended to apply only if things have gone to hell in a handbasket; at the very least, I can send only the corpsmen, with the rest outside New Edomite waters. The F-35s aren't going anywhere unless the vice admiral talks to the other naval formations and suggests some exercises to pass the time.

[New Aeyariss]

IC, the ORBAT I listed is intended to apply only if things have gone to hell in a handbasket; at the very least, I can send only the corpsmen, with the rest outside New Edomite waters. The F-35s aren't going anywhere unless the vice admiral talks to the other naval formations and suggests some exercises to pass the time.

My point is, you do realize that sending in even the corpsemen without permission from the Edomites is a direct declaration of war against a regional power that will instantly call upon a lot of allies for support?

I am merely warning you of consequences of such a step; and I am happy to contribute however you decide to play this out.

[Polish Prussian Commonwealth]

>tfw all of these fuckers are about to start a war while I'm only asking the gov if I can plop down 30 bored guys and 4 upgraded WW2-era torpedo boats and also rent an office in the area

[Thermodolia]

I’m wary of military action as well. Only reason I’m sending a task force near the region is in case the Embassy needs to be evacuated and things escalate.

I’m sure if I go to war, I’d be lampooned with the tech I see in the RP currently.

Depends. I am not one of those nations that keep everything shiny-finy. Bulk of Nifon's fighter fleet is built out of 4.5GEN aircraft, to be frank.

Thermodolia is on the opposite end. Wanting too keep everything on the cutting edge. However because of this the government isn’t keen on going to war and possibly losing billions of dollars worth of ships.

[New Visayan Islands]

IC, the ORBAT I listed is intended to apply only if things have gone to hell in a handbasket; at the very least, I can send only the corpsmen, with the rest outside New Edomite waters. The F-35s aren't going anywhere unless the vice admiral talks to the other naval formations and suggests some exercises to pass the time.

My point is, you do realize that sending in even the corpsemen without permission from the Edomites is a direct declaration of war against a regional power that will instantly call upon a lot of allies for support?

I am merely warning you of consequences of such a step; and I am happy to contribute however you decide to play this out.

I do, and seeing as I could use some improvement in my RPs, I appreciate the help.

Which reminds me: if things do go pear-shaped--IC we maintain a pipeline for the peaceful emigration of LGBT to the Confederation--who would be in the best position to request that corpsmen be sent out to assist in the evacuation? I'd assume the Ambassador, but I'd rather be sure.

[Polish Prussian Commonwealth]

IC, the ORBAT I listed is intended to apply only if things have gone to hell in a handbasket; at the very least, I can send only the corpsmen, with the rest outside New Edomite waters. The F-35s aren't going anywhere unless the vice admiral talks to the other naval formations and suggests some exercises to pass the time.

And just like that, I stopped taking you seriously.

[New Visayan Islands]

IC, the ORBAT I listed is intended to apply only if things have gone to hell in a handbasket; at the very least, I can send only the corpsmen, with the rest outside New Edomite waters. The F-35s aren't going anywhere unless the vice admiral talks to the other naval formations and suggests some exercises to pass the time.

And just like that, I stopped taking you seriously.

And that is why I'm asking Nifon for pointers.