OOC Thread for LGBT Protestors Attacked by Government Forces

[New Edom]

My plan was and is to play one of the new nations that was building stronger ties with New Edom that the demonstrators were targeting. (hopefully me putting Ru in that role was ok with OP) So basically at least one important member of these new talks has taken notice and are distancing themselves from New Edom because of this. Considering what's happened to these protestors, I wanted thier movement to have a bit of success at least in Ru's case at least lol.

Ru's embassy is further back in the embassy row then ones already RP'd like Estonland, Mcnernia, etc. so those were probably the crowds' first option. but people connected to social media might hear that Ru is taking people in and head that way when the others fill up.

Ru's government wants to follow Thermodolia's lead and try to salvage things by working something out, though the legislature will not take kindly to the public statements that were made by New Edom implying thst it's government does not feel that the soliders on the ground acted inapptopriately.

Ru will respect the right of SACTO to reinforce it's ally defensively against thier imagined outside threats, and will only step in more aggressively if Edomite soverignty appears threatened by the SACTO presence or foreign troops begin adding to the lethal suppression that caused this mess. But as suspicious as Ru is of Nifon and vice versa, at this point, if they behave how New Aeryis laid out, Ru is actually likely to leave them be.

If I can get a post in before things advance I'd like to show my remaining delegates trying to make thier way back to the embassy (a risky prospect for Drailens, who will be recognized immediately on sight as being Ruvian, the country that just denounced New Edom publicly). Ru will basically reach out to Thermodolia and baaically be keeping an eye on things. King Yoshio may reach out to Edom's royal family as well and try to get them to intervene if possible. Basically Ru is going to try and save the seeds of possible alluance they planted if they can. But the Senate isn't totally on board and may drop sanctions soon...alot will depend on what New Edom says publicly next

feel free to have anyone you wish reach Ru's embassy btw!

I'm very busy and this thing is moving fast but hopefully i can contribute heavily!

I hope you have seen recent public statements from New Edom. Your country's position makes sense so far. We shall see how it goes!

[Ru-]

I am reading it now actually. It was the princess's statements that I was refferring to. She really did ruffle Ru's feathers and scared my chancellor and the senate half to death lol! I am certain if she has been contradicted it will calm Ru down.

Sanctions are something alot of the RCP senators are hesitant about and my RLP chancellor absolutely doesn't want them, but they will be too scared of the fallout of being seen as standing in thier way if the situation gets worse, the chancellor especially.

I believe Geta's statements should calm the senators down and get them to delay a sanction vote until they can see what comes of talks at the Thermodolian embassy. Ru will likely be pacified for the moment by what he had to say

[Estonland]

Ambassador Molitsky-Gradenbad is a middle-aged noble who was sent away to the nearest embassy so that the Foreign Ministry in Neutallinn would be free from his old mannerisms. Not a very interesting character, but still wants the safety of everyone under his responsibility in the embassy.
I'm planning to put a post up about the debates in the Estonische Landtag soon.

[Greater Carloso]

Edom, just to clarify things, I will likely be posting an application to your embassy thread later on so I can formalise its location within Fineberg.

EDIT: Also, I may try to work agenda of Amihan Russel's henchmen into the plot, namely in form of the mysterious Steven Nordholt, with your permission of course.

[Kylarnatia]

So just to clarify: is the joint SACTO action public knowledge right now, or is that Secret In-Character for the time being? Just so I know whether I should acknowledge it in the statements of my next post.

Just going to repeat this, in case anyone is able to clarify.

[Greater Carloso]

So just to clarify: is the joint SACTO action public knowledge right now, or is that Secret In-Character for the time being? Just so I know whether I should acknowledge it in the statements of my next post.

Just going to repeat this, in case anyone is able to clarify.

I don't think its public knowledge just yet, but New Edom hinted at it towards the end of Hosidius Geta's public statement.

[New Aeyariss]

So just to clarify: is the joint SACTO action public knowledge right now, or is that Secret In-Character for the time being? Just so I know whether I should acknowledge it in the statements of my next post.

Just going to repeat this, in case anyone is able to clarify.

If you mean the proposal, then no, it's not a public knowledge except for SACTO foreign affairs ministries. The visit of Nifonese strategic bombers is, however, a public knowledge - albeit the bombers will be returning home very soon.

Though I do imagine that if Kylarnatian intelligence worked well, and someone was eager to RP this, they could have gotten their hand on the information.

Also, Nifonese - Edomite political, cultural and military ties are well known. Aside from joint SACTO membership, Princess Jocasta - the one who delivered the address - is a personal friend of Shogun Maki Kojiro, and seems to be fascinated by later's geopolitical thought. New Edom uses Nifonese military hardware, and many Edomite officers were trained in Nifonese military academia. Both countries also cooperated to stomp down on Homofront terrorism, especially considering that Homofront is an organization that was originally born among the Nifonese diaspora.

[Ru-]

Shrailleni's latest post was excellent. The nation seems fascinating. I'll need to look into ways we can interact in the future

[Cossack Khanate]

Hello everyone, I know that I am rather late to write a detailed post. I have landed an unarmed military official as the Khanate’s diplomat in New Edom. Other than that, I don’t really have an idea of where I want to go with this. The Khanate is strongly anti-LGBT and supports the government’s actions. Any and all suggestions would be appreciated, especially from the OP / any Co-OPs.

I think I expressed my stance in the second post on the IC thread if that helps.

[New Edom]

Hello everyone, I know that I am rather late to write a detailed post. I have landed an unarmed military official as the Khanate’s diplomat in New Edom. Other than that, I don’t really have an idea of where I want to go with this. The Khanate is strongly anti-LGBT and supports the government’s actions. Any and all suggestions would be appreciated, especially from the OP / any Co-OPs.

I think I expressed my stance in the second post on the IC thread if that helps.

Intelligence gathering, intel sharing, propaganda/journalism, news articles, tourists caught in crossfire, offers of cultural or economic support are all possibilities.

[Cossack Khanate]

Hello everyone, I know that I am rather late to write a detailed post. I have landed an unarmed military official as the Khanate’s diplomat in New Edom. Other than that, I don’t really have an idea of where I want to go with this. The Khanate is strongly anti-LGBT and supports the government’s actions. Any and all suggestions would be appreciated, especially from the OP / any Co-OPs.

I think I expressed my stance in the second post on the IC thread if that helps.

Intelligence gathering, intel sharing, propaganda/journalism, news articles, tourists caught in crossfire, offers of cultural or economic support are all possibilities.

I think I will go for cultural/economic, and if neccessary, military support. Should I approach your foreign minister on this or would there be somewhere else to go in your government? Thanks!

[New Edom]

Intelligence gathering, intel sharing, propaganda/journalism, news articles, tourists caught in crossfire, offers of cultural or economic support are all possibilities.

I think I will go for cultural/economic, and if neccessary, military support. Should I approach your foreign minister on this or would there be somewhere else to go in your government? Thanks!

Foreign Ministry is easiest. You can check out my facebook which has things dived by ministries as well..

I will be replying to embassy posts and the IC thread later today.

[Kylarnatia]

Just going to repeat this, in case anyone is able to clarify.

I don't think its public knowledge just yet, but New Edom hinted at it towards the end of Hosidius Geta's public statement.

Just going to repeat this, in case anyone is able to clarify.

If you mean the proposal, then no, it's not a public knowledge except for SACTO foreign affairs ministries. The visit of Nifonese strategic bombers is, however, a public knowledge - albeit the bombers will be returning home very soon.

Though I do imagine that if Kylarnatian intelligence worked well, and someone was eager to RP this, they could have gotten their hand on the information.

Also, Nifonese - Edomite political, cultural and military ties are well known. Aside from joint SACTO membership, Princess Jocasta - the one who delivered the address - is a personal friend of Shogun Maki Kojiro, and seems to be fascinated by later's geopolitical thought. New Edom uses Nifonese military hardware, and many Edomite officers were trained in Nifonese military academia. Both countries also cooperated to stomp down on Homofront terrorism, especially considering that Homofront is an organization that was originally born among the Nifonese diaspora.

Thanks both! I would be down for roleplaying the Kylarnatian intelligence community getting a tip-off about the potential escalation (maybe it'll come through the cooperation with the New Edomites - maybe some form of genuine error or someone with a chip on their shoulder decides to leak it), just to spice things up.

I'm ruling out full-on military involvement myself (namely because I'm PMT and not pop-capped, and because it wouldn't make any sense for the Imperium to get involved so aggressively), but maybe these leaks could get the Imperium to be more diplomatically involved, try to broker some kind of longer term stability? Either that or they'll just use the information to stay ahead of the curve in regards to how it affects their own mission of saving lives as explaining before. Just spitballing ideas and happy to hear people's thoughts. :)

[New Aeyariss]

Thanks both! I would be down for roleplaying the Kylarnatian intelligence community getting a tip-off about the potential escalation (maybe it'll come through the cooperation with the New Edomites - maybe some form of genuine error or someone with a chip on their shoulder decides to leak it), just to spice things up.

I'm ruling out full-on military involvement myself (namely because I'm PMT and not pop-capped, and because it wouldn't make any sense for the Imperium to get involved so aggressively), but maybe these leaks could get the Imperium to be more diplomatically involved, try to broker some kind of longer term stability? Either that or they'll just use the information to stay ahead of the curve in regards to how it affects their own mission of saving lives as explaining before. Just spitballing ideas and happy to hear people's thoughts.

To be frank, I do not envision a major escalation, especially considering that SACTO enhanced presence force, at this moment in heads of SACTO planners, is a regiment size unit composed of an HQ company, Nifonese air assault battalion, Carlosian Military Police & Engineering Battalions and Stojamian SOF company, goal of which will be far more diplomatic, than military in nature. NATO currently operates akin force in the Baltics; not because it believes that it could do much to stop an eventual Russian invasion, but to establish presence and use their military as a tool for building foreign policy.

New Edom had, in the past, endured multiple invasions where nations used the cause of LGBT rights to invade it's territory, and this is why Maki Kojiro is already taking few steps forward to ensure that he is going to show the entire world - as was the case with the bomber visit - that New Edom is not alone, and there is a visible group of nations that will defend it in case of an attack. For Kojiro, the issues are twofold:

- Less Important Reason: Kojiro sees this as an issue over weather it's right for other nations to interfere with affairs of others over moral concerns. He is concerned that should interference become a norm, anti-Nifonese actors could use the same issues as used against New Edom (considering that Nifon is far more extreme when it comes to issue of minorities - Shogun Maki Kojiro had earned himself a nickname of "Asian McCarthy" for legendary anticommunist witch hunts he perpetuated) will in the future be used to destabilize greater Nifon internally.

- More Important Reason: Kojiro is a classic Putinesque realist foreign policy wise, for whom values and ideas are far less important when compared to profit and national interests. Nifon is a country that has no natural resources and New Edom is one if it's main oil providers. In addition to that, a successful action as a mediator between New Edom and some other states could improve Nifon's standing on the international stage - and grant Maki Kojiro new trade deals.

READ MAKI KOJIRO'S BIOGRAPHY

[Kylarnatia]

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I understood this to be the case already from what I have read in the thread, but thanks for the background.

[Guadalupador]

Will be writing a media response and opinions on the event from my general public soon.

[Common Territories]

Im very late to the game and I still need to catch up (been delayed in even doing that lately), but I figure I/we in Imperion will take a little part in this.

For those unaware, New Edom is an Imperion Coalition member, and thus is privy to the Coalition's assets and support (mutual defense). Since most members are New Edomite allies also, we will stand resolute with New Edom regarding its security, economy, and diplomatic standing. One of our members has already posted here, but I will probe others to see if they wish to do anything more than what I plan on doing in the next few days. For now I plan on issuing an official public communique regarding the situation and our resolute support of New Edom, maybe some IC post(s) regarding the Imperion HQ's proximity to the protests (if members wish to post about their embassy's at the time of the event they can, but I think im going to skip that for the moment), and post some/along current storylines that may come up/be planned out.

Just so everyone is aware, Imperion does have 12,000 Legionnaires stationed in New Edom. They were requested by the New Edomite government for the purpose of post civil war security and to help counter the Deadora threat across the border. Imperion Coalition Foreign Legionnaires are typically deployed in Companies, Battalions, or Regiments and typically look like this in organization on the regiment/battalion level. If required, New Edom could request more to be deployed temporarily or we could, like SACTO, deploy a mission there to bolster defenses. If Imperion takes any action in New Edom, or New Edom requests Imperion's assistance, the 12,000 on the ground will be the first to do anything.

Speaking of SACTO, TECT wont be taking part in the deployment of said special unit because it doesn't feel needed to add units to it. Of course it could do so even if it's just symbolic, but we are already connected by a closer alliance (Imperion) and thus shouldn't need to take part in this deployment. If Edom and I/Imperion come up with anything else as part of this thread, I'll be sure to update you all.

[The Shrailleeni Empire]

Shrailleni's latest post was excellent. The nation seems fascinating. I'll need to look into ways we can interact in the future

Thank you, I would be amenable to that!

[The Chuck]

New Edom, would you mind if I had an embassy a couple blocks off of Embassy Row? This would primarily be due to the fact that we are a bit of an unknown nation so we wouldn't have the necessary political sway to have a building on embassy row.

[Almurta]

A lot of new navies in the Tempesta are bound to make the Shrailleeni uncomfortable.

Almurta is acting to secure the lives of her people. Chella is a big girl. I'm sure she can cope.

[New Edom]

New Edom, would you mind if I had an embassy a couple blocks off of Embassy Row? This would primarily be due to the fact that we are a bit of an unknown nation so we wouldn't have the necessary political sway to have a building on embassy row.

Sounds fine to me

[New Tryphalia]

I'm admittedly a little torn on the idea of joining this. On the one hand, the conflict between the desire to build good relations with both capitalist and socialist countries as a pillar of Tryphalian foreign policy and the disgust with anti-LGBT policies and religious laws in general is possibly rewarding. On the other hand, there is the risk of becoming another cliche leftist nation pressuring the Edomites over their homophobic and religious laws, which evidently led to invasions in the past. Ironically, Tryphalians tend toward nudism, too, though not for religious reasons. It's a very Hellenic approach toward pride vs. shame in the human body and its natural beauty. Also, there's a strong antipathy toward gynocratic feminism in the Tryphalian national culture, thanks to enduring five years of increasingly oppressive gynocracy under the "Queen" that the Communists overthrew.

[New Edom]

I'm admittedly a little torn on the idea of joining this. On the one hand, the conflict between the desire to build good relations with both capitalist and socialist countries as a pillar of Tryphalian foreign policy and the disgust with anti-LGBT policies and religious laws in general is possibly rewarding. On the other hand, there is the risk of becoming another cliche leftist nation pressuring the Edomites over their homophobic and religious laws, which evidently led to invasions in the past. Ironically, Tryphalians tend toward nudism, too, though not for religious reasons. It's a very Hellenic approach toward pride vs. shame in the human body and its natural beauty. Also, there's a strong antipathy toward gynocratic feminism in the Tryphalian national culture, thanks to enduring five years of increasingly oppressive gynocracy under the "Queen" that the Communists overthrew.

It sound slike an interesting political struggle within your nation that could result as different political factions might push or pull in this or that direction.

[The Chuck]

New Edom, who would an ambassador need to get in contact with to straighten things out if some embassy guards had to leave the embassy grounds to rescue citizens of said embassies government? (This technically counts as an invasion by armed forces from what I can gather even though it's to assist citizens of our nation).

[Ardoki]

Am I allowed to maybe write some news reports and stuff? Just asking permission, since I know I might not be welcome.