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OOC Thread for LGBT Protestors Attacked by Government Forces

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OOC Thread for LGBT Protestors Attacked by Government Forces

Postby New Edom » Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:46 pm

This thread will be used for OOC inquiries and any discussions necessary to the thread. I may also need reminding for responses because people are posting very quickly. I will try to respond to everyone who posts unless there are general responses that everyone can take to be encouragement for them to keep posting.

IC THREAD

Please write good posts in response to this. No FT, no magic, no superheros. Diplomacy, espionage, political responses, journalists, tourists and gradual moves towards military response with proper stages of development are acceptable. This thread may also contain mature subject matter.

This image may have additional descriptions but this is the overall look I'm going for, as well as the area of government district and embassy row. Image

For any military movements in my thread, I prefer using this protocol.

1. Government comes to a decision to use military force

2. Forces are prepared and organized

3. Embarkation

4. Movement (at least two posts if not in region)

5. Arrival (arrival in region if out of region)

6.deployment/encounter

However there is also an element of government process involved too. Governments tend not to rush to war, even where borders are disputed, because of the following reasons.

1. Wars are expensive. Fuel, ammunition, equipment, are very expensive.

2. Well trained and experienced personnel don't grow on trees.

3. Unkess your nation is a crazed dictatorship, most governments have some kind of process before deciding on a military option.

4. Wars have uncertain outcomes. History shows that the odds are not necessarily with the obvious victor

5. There are often many options that are less expensive and risky than war


A general summary of what occurred is here. It also describes the first official government response from the Edomite head of state.

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The Order of the Purple Cross
(Provides free medical services for humanitarian purposes, regardless of faith or communit, a politically neutral organization funded by private citizens and by international donations)
National Director Dr. Obadiah Nethilim

The Organization for Free Expression
(An organization that encourages freedom of political assembly, known to support the right to protest and to speak on behalf of LGBT interests as well as marginal political and economic views)
Executive Director Rhea Wither
Political Affairs Director Joshua Orpen

The Ecumenical Council of New Edom
(This organization supports religious groups open discussion of peaceful cooperation and believes that non-Christians or Christians who do not support the Morality Act should be able to openly discuss moral issues free of any persecution. They advocate release of all political prisoners in the country.)
Council President Augustine Gamaliel, Archbishop of Bara

The Fineberg Petition Group for Civil Rights and Freedoms
(This NGO wishes to expand New Edom’s legal civil rights and political freedoms to include a nationally elected Council of Ministers and to have more open and less restricted political discourse. It is led by men and women of public and private prominence including members of the Chamber of Deputies, the national legislature.)
Chairman Simon Silvanus, Deputy of the Chamber for North Reme

Church Human Rights Interests Syndicate of the Tabernacle
(This organization includes several representative churches which propose that human rights issues should be championed by the churches of New Edom. While similar to the ecumennical coucnil, this group openly champions feminism, anti-colonialism and LGBT+ rights. It has a terse relationship with the Ecumenical Council as it is more radical.)
National Chairman Father Matthew Crispin

The Edomite Freedom Coalition
(This is a more secular, socialist human rights group strongly suspected of being very pro LGBT, which in fact it is. A number of its members were sentenced to penal service or are aaiting trials in Stonehaven Prison.)
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Postby Kylarnatia » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:10 pm

Thanks for putting this up.

For my part I'm looking to tell a very character-focused story. As I've already established in my most recent post, the Embassy of the Imperium Antiquum - led by the young and determined Legatus Lucilia Crassa and her small group of overwhelmed but resolute senior staff - has gotten the consent of the Edomite Foreign Minister to process all requests for asylum in a timely manner, on the discreet understanding that they will hand over any members of Homofront or other wanted criminals who show up on their radar.

In my next post the Embassy will be making a public statement to explain this, likely backed up from another official statement from the Ministry of Foreign and Imperial Affairs. It should go without saying that the finer details of the agreement are known only to the Kylarnatian's and Edomite's, so until that changes it is Secret In-Character (SIC) and unbeknown to everyone else.

I've talked this out with New Edom, and I'm planning on telling a very character-driven story, of Legatus Crassa and her senior staff trying their best to deal with the situation as it develops and save as many lives as possible, while at the same time keeping an open dialogue in the hopes of seeing change in the long-run. I'll also be occasionally be writing news coverage from a variety of different news sources, and posting reactions from the Imperium Antiquum's government and people. I'd also be happy for others to post their reactions (either in the form of a press story or otherwise) to the Embassy's activity once it becomes public.

If anyone has any questions or any ideas they want to share in regards to my involvement, I'm all ears.
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Postby New Aeyariss » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:30 pm

My intention, so far, is portraying activities of Nifon's diplomacy. Needless to say, I would prefer to avoid large scale conflicts in this thread.

I will write a post from Kojiro's perspective later on, in which I will portray what the ruler of Nifon intends to achieve, and how he intends to do this. Maki Kojiro is especially interested in making himself look like a mediator and peacemaker.

SACTO ENCHANCED FORWARD PRESENCE FORCE will also play a major role as a tool of Nifonese diplomacy.
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Postby McNernia » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:32 pm

I'll probably be post reactions in Cathcride to this whole affair.

Also Ambassador Hullars feelings on the matter.
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Postby Almurta » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:49 pm

I.S.A. involvement will initially revolve around our embassy in Fineberg accepting as many refugees as possible. One aspect of Almurtan embassies here which will play into it is we routinely stock emergency supplies at diplomatic missions in what we see as less civilized places.

It is also likely a warship will be deployed to international waters nearby to provide support in the form of supplies and transportation.
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However, if necessary, I will aid in RPing main instigators of the unrest.
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Postby Provostock » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:16 pm

I'd like to get more involved, so I am currently just waiting for a niche to fill.
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Postby Vionna-Frankenlisch » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:21 pm

I'm not yet certain what exactly I will be focusing on in this RP, however, I would like to develop how Imperial diplomacy works and how the Foreign Office operates. Along with how the Government and the Crown interact. Plus, I do love a little character building.

It's likely that no matter which way the Imperial Government bends (hah hey!), Vionna-Frankenlisch will likely experience some kind of domestic unrest or attack which may be of interest.
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Postby Ausinia » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:22 pm

Hi, is it all right if a I join this rp?
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Re: LGBT Protestors Attacked by Government Forces [OOC]

Postby Yohannes » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:26 pm

As per my post in the in-character thread, the Realm of Yohannes' in-character motivation is to just watch things for now, but also making sure that it will side with New Edom if things go south (for commercial self interest, re: historical trade). There are too many dangerous (in-character) players here: the Empire of Greater Nifon, New Carloso, Arab State of Khataiy, etc. for Yohannes to risk offending New Edom (and jeopardising our trade with New Edom, Greater Nifon, investment in Khataiy, etc.) and its powerful SACTO allies

Thank you for the thread!
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Postby Navia Imperiala » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:33 pm

So I'ma join this because... why not? ;)
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Postby McNernia » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:34 pm

Been thinking about it.
Probably going to have three points.
-Ambassador Hullar

-Vice Admiral Sir Steven F Macnarin

-The Prime Minister as he tried to handle things....first two probably the most likely.
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Postby New Edom » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:44 pm

Ausinia wrote:Hi, is it all right if a I join this rp?


Sure.
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Japan itself will be (for the first time in a good long while) not trying to advance it's own agenda, instead opting to step in where needed in support of New Edom whenever the Japanese Shogunate deems necessary, though for the foreseeable future most posts may be restricted to the Japanese Embassy or, the Imperial Palace in Kyoto as well as possibly the IMGHQ in Kyoto. Just essentially remaining back though offering support to the government with either Kempeitai units or the Imperial Royal Guard
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Postby Kylarnatia » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:51 pm

So just to clarify: is the joint SACTO action public knowledge right now, or is that Secret In-Character for the time being? Just so I know whether I should acknowledge it in the statements of my next post.
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Postby Almurta » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:53 pm

That's actually a good question, though for now Almurta is just going to be acting to protect Almurtan Citizens and asylum seekers.
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Postby Mediama » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:30 pm

For now, looks like Mediama would be taking in refugees. Continue mediation for as long as we can. (Yohannes, consider your embassy accepted, still need to PM me on details though.)

If things go south, there might be a shutdown of the embassy and a Fall of Saigon style evacuation of the embassy. Worst case scenario, naval ships returning from an event in Qaidi would be deployed as a means for evacuation should airports be closed off.

Additionally, Mediama would also make contact with nations that openly disprove of New Edom’s actions, particularly with Ru- and consider a plan with them.

Apologies for rp’ing having an embassy when I didn’t apply for one, I usually RP that I have embassies everywhere and vice versa.

P.s. I also left a character open for you to RP New Edom, the wounded girl taken in with the Mediaman news team. Let me know if you want to take over for her or collab.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:42 pm

I had a post in the drafting stage and never got it posted, and this moved very fast. Is it acceptable for the Havenic embassy to be one taking in refugees (as I can only imagine a nation which will grant citizenship to literally everyone would be a popular destination for such)? I totally understand if you think that things have moved on too far for that though.

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Postby New Edom » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:44 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I had a post in the drafting stage and never got it posted, and this moved very fast. Is it acceptable for the Havenic embassy to be one taking in refugees (as I can only imagine a nation which will grant citizenship to literally everyone would be a popular destination for such)? I totally understand if you think that things have moved on too far for that though.


I don't know if it would be popular, given how weird your nation is, but some might try sure.
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Postby New Edom » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:45 pm

Mediama wrote:For now, looks like Mediama would be taking in refugees. Continue mediation for as long as we can. (Yohannes, consider your embassy accepted, still need to PM me on details though.)

If things go south, there might be a shutdown of the embassy and a Fall of Saigon style evacuation of the embassy. Worst case scenario, naval ships returning from an event in Qaidi would be deployed as a means for evacuation should airports be closed off.

Additionally, Mediama would also make contact with nations that openly disprove of New Edom’s actions, particularly with Ru- and consider a plan with them.

Apologies for rp’ing having an embassy when I didn’t apply for one, I usually RP that I have embassies everywhere and vice versa.

P.s. I also left a character open for you to RP New Edom, the wounded girl taken in with the Mediaman news team. Let me know if you want to take over for her or collab.


I think that's a good idea. I have posted some responses to some as well as a general idea of what is going on on the streets in general.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:50 pm

New Edom wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I had a post in the drafting stage and never got it posted, and this moved very fast. Is it acceptable for the Havenic embassy to be one taking in refugees (as I can only imagine a nation which will grant citizenship to literally everyone would be a popular destination for such)? I totally understand if you think that things have moved on too far for that though.


I don't know if it would be popular, given how weird your nation is, but some might try sure.

I mean...given how extreme homofront are, a nation that lacks certain things (like clearly defined consent laws, weapons licensing and general normality) should attract a lot of the more criminal types.

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Postby Polish Prussian Commonwealth » Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:00 pm

For the record-the two torpedo boats I'm sending are essentially upgunned Jaguar-class torpedo boats. As for how they have the naval infantry...well, can I have a fleet tanker tag along?
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Postby McNernia » Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:13 pm

Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:For the record-the two torpedo boats I'm sending are essentially upgunned Jaguar-class torpedo boats. As for how they have the naval infantry...well, can I have a fleet tanker tag along?


Fine I guess...
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Postby Polish Prussian Commonwealth » Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:15 pm

McNernia wrote:
Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:For the record-the two torpedo boats I'm sending are essentially upgunned Jaguar-class torpedo boats. As for how they have the naval infantry...well, can I have a fleet tanker tag along?


Fine I guess...

...I was asking OP, not you.
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