The Pan-Slavic Union State - P.S.U.S. (alliance, OPEN)

[Ishema]

OOC-Is it because I have a German flag?

OOC: Lol

[Shofercia]

Guys, thank you for your input

Some comments:

I agree on these points, except that not all nations would choose to invest in an space program. Additionally, some NS players choose to RP a different (lower) population, but their scientific influence (and all influence in general) should still be judged with their NS profile populations as a basis.

Sound good. I agree, one shouldn't have to invest in the space program, and one can RP with a lower population.

I guess what Solyhniya said. I'd like to invest in a Space Program.

We could set up a regional space program for Slavija. And one wouldn't have to be in the region of Slavija to participate, as the first step would be setting up something similar to the ISS (International Space Station.) Just RP your geography to have a Cosmodrome, similar to the one at Baikanur, or have a treaty with someone that does

1. Talent Scouting - the more of your population has access to their career needs, the more likely you are to have talents. (Can be RPed)
2. Education - the better the education system, the better the research. (Can be RPed, but also based off of money allocated to education)
3. Lenght of Time Your Nation existed - the more time, the more research you can get done. (Taken off of Data)
4. Population of your nation - a bigger populace has more talents. (Data)
5. Reasearch - the more of your GDP goes to research, the better the final product. (Data, but you can also RP, i.e. 10% of education funding, 7% of private companies, and 5% of military go into research. Of course military research belongs in the military.)
6. Allocation - you have three areas to allocate to: military, civilian and space exploration - the more you allocate to a certain area, the better off the area will be. (Entirely upto the player, but at least 10% to each.)
7. Sharing Technology - if you are working with a partner, or a partnership of nations, you get more things done. (Need a partner to RP.)

1. Agreed.
2. How would it be judged? How much the goernment spends on education?
3. Agreed.
4. Agreed.
5. Okay.
6. Sounds good.
7. Agreed. I and CS are already working on this in militaty seecetor. Maybe Shofercia wishes to work with us as well?

Really good ideas, I like them.

Not just the government. There are private companies that could invest into education too. Churches/Mosques and other religions can do it. In addition to investment, it's how much stature that educators have in your country. Are they well respected? Are they glorified, or are they spat on? And that's entirely upto RP.

I will be honored to work with you guys on the military sector (I've also conducted some RL battle simulators, so if I get too realistic, let me know.)

Our military projects include heavily improved armor ( i think i will start using it in the war eventually , in these times just fast-mounted on the fronts of the tanks and other such exposed spots to give a bit better chance)
AERO L-510 Jasnozrivy laser equipped aircraft (taken from an unfinished 80s soviet project)
RKP-22 - basically the Kamov 22 konvertoplane transport.

In terms of light arms - we prefer using a slightly modernized versions of the AK-74M and AK-74U. Our sniper rifles are vased off of VSS Vintorez sniper rifle.

In terms of rocket launchers, we prefer the Iskander II. We will discuss our projects in more detail at the upcoming military summit of PSUS.


Dispatch from the Shofercian Academy of Foreign Affairs, (SAFA) regarding NWP, as requested by the National Assembly of Shofercia, and the order of Shofercia's King:

Although we do not believe that NWP will use us, or any region as a puppet, we feel that it is not in the best interest of PSUS to be military bound to anything, except one another.

OOC: It's not the German flag.

[Polska rzczpolspolita]

While I believe my comrades are being a tad extreme, I reaffirm my belief that it is much to easy for the New Warsaw Pact to manipulate an Alliance still being organized properly. While the MID has no real influence in such a matter, It is in my power as a delegate to have a say. I must also agree with the voice of my good ally, Ukranian SSR that foreign assets be controled. Though I reaffirm that my comrades are being extreme. Again, it may also be attributed from centuries of foreign control playing a part.

[Polska rzczpolspolita]

OOC-It is. Old one.

[Central Slavia]

OOC: What about the no-attack pact i have proposed IC?
Not many of you have said much of it and i think it would be good, as it does not require any of us to do much, but still improves relations and our position especially during this war

[Shofercia]

OOC: What about the no-attack pact i have proposed IC?
Not many of you have said much of it and i think it would be good, as it does not require any of us to do much, but still improves relations and our position especially during this war

OOC: PSUS is at war? I thought it was just Chernobyl-Pripiat v United Russian State. And they're both trying to end the war and be good boys

[Central Slavia]

Let's see - URS dragged its closest ally (me) into the war, and that led to RP, being my neighbor and wanting to gain some land i presume after the loss, to join as well
except for you and Solyhnia it makes for all the old members

[Polska rzczpolspolita]

If you are talking about earliest members, I'm in their too, and I would have to say i'm about your maybe second closest ally. Oh, and just to say something--I was in the alliance for like and RL month before solyhniya

[Central Slavia]

that was you mentioned there - RP = Rzeczespolspolta polska

[Polska rzczpolspolita]

Ohh....It's confusing. The correct abbreviation, in most slavic languages, is RP, which is also for Role-Play. By the way, you can call me Polsk for conveniance.

[Shofercia]

Wait a sec, there's a war going on? When my allies fight, I want to fight! I just signed a mutual-defense pact. I thought most members of PSUS weren't at war, but... Can someone post all PSUS wars they know of here? Or telegram them to me?

[United Russian State]

OOC: What about the no-attack pact i have proposed IC?
Not many of you have said much of it and i think it would be good, as it does not require any of us to do much, but still improves relations and our position especially during this war

OOC: PSUS is at war? I thought it was just Chernobyl-Pripiat v United Russian State. And they're both trying to end the war and be good boys

URS will not be backing down unitil Chernobyl-Pripiat's military is crushed and its governemnt removed form power for it's criems.

[Central Slavia]

Wait a sec, there's a war going on? When my allies fight, I want to fight! I just signed a mutual-defense pact. I thought most members of PSUS weren't at war, but... Can someone post all PSUS wars they know of here? Or telegram them to me?

There is a little problem - since we made it active, a lot of idiots began signing in and now it operates on C-P's permission.
And i do not thing he would be that eager to have 4 milliards of shofercians sending their army...

[Solyhniya]

Our military projects include heavily improved armor ( i think i will start using it in the war eventually , in these times just fast-mounted on the fronts of the tanks and other such exposed spots to give a bit better chance)
AERO L-510 Jasnozrivy laser equipped aircraft (taken from an unfinished 80s soviet project)
RKP-22 - basically the Kamov 22 konvertoplane transport.

I have actually begun to draw up some ideas. Have you all seen my rudderless cruise missile bomber? I took five pictures and I think they're on the "Vladivostok Alliance" page.

[Solyhniya]

OOC: What about the no-attack pact i have proposed IC?
Not many of you have said much of it and i think it would be good, as it does not require any of us to do much, but still improves relations and our position especially during this war

I'm very much for an NAP. Diplomatic ties can do no harm to this alliance, and you have my assurance, Comrades, that as soon as this cooperation were to turn sour, I would sever it.

To clarify, I am strongly in favour of a Non-Aggression Pact with the New Warsaw Pact.

[Solyhniya]

I've also conducted some RL battle simulators, so if I get too realistic.

No such thing as too realistic xD

Sound good. I agree, one shouldn't have to invest in the space program, and one can RP with a lower population.

Quite. In this sense, population acts as a kind of "secondary GDP" so for those nations like me who do not want to be twice the size of IRL China, we are still rewarded for having played NS for a long time. We do, however, have a space program. In fact, I am in the middle of running joint space ventures with the Vladivostok Alliance at this moment.

Dispatch from the Shofercian Academy of Foreign Affairs, (SAFA) regarding NWP, as requested by the National Assembly of Shofercia, and the order of Shofercia's King:

Although we do not believe that NWP will use us, or any region as a puppet, we feel that it is not in the best interest of PSUS to be military bound to anything, except one another.

Yes, but won't an NAP simply be an assurance of safety? We will not be detrimentally bound to any other group, I assure you.

[Central Slavia]

The population worries me too - i generally go on with the assigned one as that allows not being intimidated by some countries much (like GWO) and i try not to attract much attention to the fact that all of the people live on just below 200 000 km**2

[Solyhniya]

The population worries me too - i generally go on with the assigned one as that allows not being intimidated by some countries much (like GWO) and i try not to attract much attention to the fact that all of the people live on just below 200 000 km**2

Same here. I basically have two populations: one which is somewhere between the USA and Russia IRL, and then I sometimes use my NS population in wars where everyone does the same.

[Polska rzczpolspolita]

I use my NS pop, but I use another Economy.

[Ishema]

TO: All Member States of the P.S.U.S.
FROM: The Communist Empire of Ishema

Brothers, friends in the Pan Slavic Union-State, there is some troubling news that I must share with you. Our comrade, the Polish Republic, has decided to join the The Imperial Fascist Alliance. This alliance supports mass murder, suppression of certain ethnic groups, torture of certain peoples, and thousands of other evils. While we realize that it is the right of every nation to run itself as it sees fit, we are certain that this alliance poses a threat to many other nations around the globe. They have pledged the destruction of communists, a threat to us. They have pledged to wipe out democracy, a threat to many members of the P.S.U.S. We implore you, please do not allow the Polish Republic to join with this alliance. I hope that their diseased ideology can be wiped from the Earth soon.

Sincerely,
Emperor Reman XVII
Premier Ivan Gridenko
Commissar of Diplomacy Viktor Petrenko

[Polska rzczpolspolita]

I am sorry, But it is somewhere in the constitution that the government of one nation can run as it sees fit. This constitution clearly states that I cannot be expelled, etc for joining an alliance. And NOWHERE does the constitution of the IFA explicitly state it endorses genocide. It is also part of THIS nation's constitution that another nation can be of any ideology it pleases.
Ishema is being unfair. Again, it is against the constitution to eject one for ones ideology.

[Solyhniya]

TO: All Member States of the P.S.U.S.
FROM: The Communist Empire of Ishema

Brothers, friends in the Pan Slavic Union-State, there is some troubling news that I must share with you. Our comrade, the Polish Republic, has decided to join the The Imperial Fascist Alliance. This alliance supports mass murder, suppression of certain ethnic groups, torture of certain peoples, and thousands of other evils. While we realize that it is the right of every nation to run itself as it sees fit, we are certain that this alliance poses a threat to many other nations around the globe. They have pledged the destruction of communists, a threat to us. They have pledged to wipe out democracy, a threat to many members of the P.S.U.S. We implore you, please do not allow the Polish Republic to join with this alliance. I hope that their diseased ideology can be wiped from the Earth soon.

Sincerely,
Emperor Reman XVII
Premier Ivan Gridenko
Commissar of Diplomacy Viktor Petrenko

From: Dr Bohdan Sajenko

The Union State is not political. It exists precisely to surpass politics, in order to find common ground on which all Slavs may declare their fraternity. Unless Polska is in itself carrying out genocide, there is nothing in the constitution that would allow him to be ejected.

[Ishema]

Then I renounce my participation in this alliance until the Polish Republic either leaves the IFA or he himself is expelled from the P.S.U.S. The Communist Empire of Ishema officially resigns.

[United Russian State]

OOC: What about the no-attack pact i have proposed IC?
Not many of you have said much of it and i think it would be good, as it does not require any of us to do much, but still improves relations and our position especially during this war

I'm very much for an NAP. Diplomatic ties can do no harm to this alliance, and you have my assurance, Comrades, that as soon as this cooperation were to turn sour, I would sever it.

To clarify, I am strongly in favour of a Non-Aggression Pact with the New Warsaw Pact.

United Russian State gives it's full support in forming a Non-Aggression Pact with the New Warsaw Pact..

[Solyhniya]

Then I renounce my participation in this alliance until the Polish Republic either leaves the IFA or he himself is expelled from the P.S.U.S. The Communist Empire of Ishema officially resigns.

From: Dr Bohdan Sajenko

This regretful occurrence had been foreseen.

Before you finalise your resignation, I would like to ask: if you are concerned about security as a democratic, Communist state, is it not then safer to have the fascist in your alliance? Polska can be no threat to us, and subscribes to a form of fascism closer to national socialism (pre-Nazi) rather than that which other IFA members do. Perhaps this would be a more fair reason why Polska should leave the IFA.