Terror in Paradise: Fall of a Monarchy [OOC | MT | OPEN]

[New Aeyariss]

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Just burning this island to the ground continues to sound like a better idea with each passing moment

And exactly what would you gain from that, geopolitically wise, aside from winning condemnation from every possible source?

[Allanea]

Just burning this island to the ground continues to sound like a better idea with each passing moment

And exactly what would you gain from that, geopolitically wise, aside from winning condemnation from every possible source?

Teaching Islamists a life lesson!

I'm only half-joking.

Not everything nations do is guided by rational geopolitical consideration (even if 'rational geopolitical consideration' were real, which I'm not certain about). I can totally see a nation deciding...

"Better to inflict large collateral damage than allow the creation of an Islamist radical microstate that other terror groups could use for basing"

or

"Better to kill two or three thousand enemy civilians to discourage others"

or even ""That a white man's head/Must be paid for with heads five-score."

Do I approve of any of these? No, not really.

But I can see how some nation or terror group might have one of these thought processes.

Naturally, I also object to this on OOC grounds [the OP probably wants to have a nation to use after this thread!], but it's not completely unfeasible.

[New Aeyariss]

And exactly what would you gain from that, geopolitically wise, aside from winning condemnation from every possible source?

Teaching Islamists a life lesson!

I'm only half-joking.

Not everything nations do is guided by rational geopolitical consideration (even if 'rational geopolitical consideration' were real, which I'm not certain about). I can totally see a nation deciding...

"Better to inflict large collateral damage than allow the creation of an Islamist radical microstate that other terror groups could use for basing"

or

"Better to kill two or three thousand enemy civilians to discourage others"

or even ""That a white man's head/Must be paid for with heads five-score."

Do I approve of any of these? No, not really.

But I can see how some nation or terror group might have one of these thought processes.

Naturally, I also object to this on OOC grounds [the OP probably wants to have a nation to use after this thread!], but it's not completely unfeasible.

Oh, I am not saying that such a decision may be unrealistic ( and that is why I am not fully identifying with realist theory of international relations); I am merely saying that while irrational decisions have been - and are - part of the politics, someone in NUC's government would have realized that we are living currently in the information age - today a mouse moves and a person world away will know that. Soon after the burning occurred, the photos of said act would have flooded the internet; and almost every actor hostile to NUC would have taken a chance to exploit that to it's own purposes. Unless NUC is a totalitarian hellhole that controls every message, the issue would have also appeared in NUC's politics as various opponents (remember, no state is truly unitary, there is always opposition) would have used it to gain a chance at getting power themselves. Especially the state actors, as the OP mentioned the island having plenty of natural resources, on which certainly many would like to lay their claim on, and such a mass slaughter would have given them a perfect pretext.

Pay in mind that a lot of "moral victories" the insurgents used against the US during the last 30 years were results of collateral damage inflicted by American supporting arms on civilian population. This incident would have been a god-send to Jihadists everywhere.

So NUC could, at least in theory, go ahead with that. My point is, however, that losses coming from such an action would oughtweight gains.

[Nations United for Conquest]

Well, that was more Sarcasm than anything...Not that international condemnation is anything new to me...

[Thermodolia]

Just burning this island to the ground continues to sound like a better idea with each passing moment

And exactly what would you gain from that, geopolitically wise, aside from winning condemnation from every possible source?

Colonial expansion. Or in modern terms “bringing freedom/protecting minorities”

[Rhunnland]

And exactly what would you gain from that, geopolitically wise, aside from winning condemnation from every possible source?

Colonial expansion. Or in modern terms “bringing freedom/protecting minorities”

How is that expansion? Even using the modern excuse, you can't justify destroying a tiny island of 6000 as liberating them. Carpet bombing =/= invading. If NUC wanted to annex (or 'liberate') the island, just one brigade of 1-2 thousand men could do it. The only thing a country would gain from doing the former is a reputation of 'don't mess with us, we carpet bomb tiny islands with tiny militaries.'

Either way, it's not important since NUC said it was just a joke.

[Terempang]

I apologize for my absence- I was rather busy over the course of this weekend.

@Malden Republic, NUC, Rhunnland, Munkchester and Allanea are accepted. Those who I haven't mentioned are denied. I will be closing applications for the royalist side from now on. I think that the current number of nations supporting both sides are sufficient, as Rhunnland has mentioned it does indeed make sense for most participants to support the legitimate government. However, as to ensure that the number of people supporting don't outnumber Terempang's population I'll close the apps for the Royalists. As Allanea has mentioned, I am balancing the whole situation somewhat as the majority of Terempang's population aren't really happy with the Sultan and thus the vast majority of the Sultan would rather support the Islamist rebels than the Sultan's government.

And as for Allanea, yes that is okay. As for your queries, the Islamists we're dealing with here aren't the Islamic State type but more of Iranian Revolution-style Shi'a Muslim revolutionary group and are fervently anti-socialist/communist. I think that it'd be better that intellegence be restricted to satellites and IC news information sources since I really doubt the need of agents in extremely irrelevant island countries

I hope this answers most queries, but do tell me if I missed anyone.

[Saranidia]

I apologize for my absence- I was rather busy over the course of this weekend.

@Malden Republic, NUC, Rhunnland, Munkchester and Allanea are accepted. Those who I haven't mentioned are denied. I will be closing applications for the royalist side from now on. I think that the current number of nations supporting both sides are sufficient, as Rhunnland has mentioned it does indeed make sense for most participants to support the legitimate government. However, as to ensure that the number of people supporting don't outnumber Terempang's population I'll close the apps for the Royalists. As Allanea has mentioned, I am balancing the whole situation somewhat as the majority of Terempang's population aren't really happy with the Sultan and thus the vast majority of the Sultan would rather support the Islamist rebels than the Sultan's government.

And as for Allanea, yes that is okay. As for your queries, the Islamists we're dealing with here aren't the Islamic State type but more of Iranian Revolution-style Shi'a Muslim revolutionary group and are fervently anti-socialist/communist. I think that it'd be better that intellegence be restricted to satellites and IC news information sources since I really doubt the need of agents in extremely irrelevant island countries

I hope this answers most queries, but do tell me if I missed anyone.

Saranidia will join this RP if a Temparang agrees to a mutual defence treaty in it.

[Edjestan]

Nation name: Edjestan
Leader: It is said his name is maded but nobody is sure if this is his real name
Faction supporting: Islamist
Extend of support: Goal is to cause unrest in the home countries of the invading forces
Purpose of intervention: This war can’t be won in the conventional sense. But what if we can convince the public that helping the ‘royals’ is really really evil?

Committing:
- 200 high tech operatives. These are people who are experts with a computer and stay far far away from the conflict. They are not even on the same continent. They will use whatever image they can find and use multimedia to portray this war as extremely brutal. Any image can be twisted and mis represented. Bombs blowing up a bunker of the enemy? Was that a real bunker or where there civilians taking refuge in it? Tanks driving through the street? Isn't this the tank battalion of the genosia massacre? Relief supplies being disturbed? Are you sure those are going to the people and not only the select few? Etc etc
- 2x special operative cells. Each consisting of 4x25 men. These men have 1 goal. To get images of the war. They will move as news crews, civilians or whatever it takes. They will get unique footage of the conflict. They will NOT take any risks or do anything to provoke anybody.
- 100 men security for the tech center where our techies are.

The nation of Edjestan has been ruled by the same familie for as long as anybody can remember. We are just and fair and treat our people the right way. Everybody is persuaded to work and corporations are the core of our great country. Right now this seems to be a region that is becoming more and more unstable. Wouldn't it be nice if the government completely collapsed and the civil war would rage on for years on end?
Everybody who would want to leave could find shelter and a safe place to stay in our great nation. All of our business competitors would be out of business and we would be more then willing to help sell enough food and materials to rebuild the ruins.

Step 1 of this grand plan is to win the multi media war. This conflict is extremely brutal with atrocities committed on all sides and we will show the world!
Step 2 once the world is convinced that all sides are evil and killing indiscriminately we will call on our brothers of the faith in other countries to go to the media and show how their people are being massacered and enslaved to give the story the ‘personal’ touch
Step 3 we know this war cannot be won. But if the entire world is looking and convinced that the invading armies are evil as hell maybe their own people can force them to withdraw

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Side note depending on the story line the objectives can shift. But i thought it would be interesting to do something slightly out of the box.

[Prussian Polish Commonwealth]

Okay, withdrawing from this RP, although if shit gets bad enough you might be able to drag me back in, although with far smaller amounts of troops.

[Saranidia]

Nation Name: Islamic Republic of Saranidia
[b]Side Supporting: Neutral in terms of different groups within the country but anti-imperialist
Order of Battle: 56 military intelligence personnel under a lieutenant and 65 soldiers
and 50 airmen lead by a captain for the soldiers and a wing commander for the airmen.
[b]Additional Information: we will be there to defend against the Munkchestrian invasion if a mutual defence treaty is agreed In the IC thread

[Terempang]

Nation name: Edjestan
Leader: It is said his name is maded but nobody is sure if this is his real name
Faction supporting: Islamist
Extend of support: Goal is to cause unrest in the home countries of the invading forces
Purpose of intervention: This war can’t be won in the conventional sense. But what if we can convince the public that helping the ‘royals’ is really really evil?

Committing:
- 200 high tech operatives. These are people who are experts with a computer and stay far far away from the conflict. They are not even on the same continent. They will use whatever image they can find and use multimedia to portray this war as extremely brutal. Any image can be twisted and mis represented. Bombs blowing up a bunker of the enemy? Was that a real bunker or where there civilians taking refuge in it? Tanks driving through the street? Isn't this the tank battalion of the genosia massacre? Relief supplies being disturbed? Are you sure those are going to the people and not only the select few? Etc etc
- 2x special operative cells. Each consisting of 4x25 men. These men have 1 goal. To get images of the war. They will move as news crews, civilians or whatever it takes. They will get unique footage of the conflict. They will NOT take any risks or do anything to provoke anybody.
- 100 men security for the tech center where our techies are.

The nation of Edjestan has been ruled by the same familie for as long as anybody can remember. We are just and fair and treat our people the right way. Everybody is persuaded to work and corporations are the core of our great country. Right now this seems to be a region that is becoming more and more unstable. Wouldn't it be nice if the government completely collapsed and the civil war would rage on for years on end?
Everybody who would want to leave could find shelter and a safe place to stay in our great nation. All of our business competitors would be out of business and we would be more then willing to help sell enough food and materials to rebuild the ruins.

Step 1 of this grand plan is to win the multi media war. This conflict is extremely brutal with atrocities committed on all sides and we will show the world!
Step 2 once the world is convinced that all sides are evil and killing indiscriminately we will call on our brothers of the faith in other countries to go to the media and show how their people are being massacered and enslaved to give the story the ‘personal’ touch
Step 3 we know this war cannot be won. But if the entire world is looking and convinced that the invading armies are evil as hell maybe their own people can force them to withdraw

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Side note depending on the story line the objectives can shift. But i thought it would be interesting to do something slightly out of the box.

Accepted. Sorry Saranidia, but denied.

[Rhunnland]

I apologize for my absence- I was rather busy over the course of this weekend.

@Malden Republic, NUC, Rhunnland, Munkchester and Allanea are accepted. Those who I haven't mentioned are denied. I will be closing applications for the royalist side from now on. I think that the current number of nations supporting both sides are sufficient, as Rhunnland has mentioned it does indeed make sense for most participants to support the legitimate government. However, as to ensure that the number of people supporting don't outnumber Terempang's population I'll close the apps for the Royalists. As Allanea has mentioned, I am balancing the whole situation somewhat as the majority of Terempang's population aren't really happy with the Sultan and thus the vast majority of the Sultan would rather support the Islamist rebels than the Sultan's government.

And as for Allanea, yes that is okay. As for your queries, the Islamists we're dealing with here aren't the Islamic State type but more of Iranian Revolution-style Shi'a Muslim revolutionary group and are fervently anti-socialist/communist. I think that it'd be better that intellegence be restricted to satellites and IC news information sources since I really doubt the need of agents in extremely irrelevant island countries

I hope this answers most queries, but do tell me if I missed anyone.

Since I got accepted, I'd like to clear up something. My country maintains an autonomous colony consisting of modern-day Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, and Singapore. Your factbooks state that the Islands are in the Singapore strait, meaning they are literally smack-dab in the middle of my Colony (ICly I don't see how my people back in the 1800s could have forgotten to colonize Terempang but whatever). That means that I'd already have (mostly Naval) forces in the region. Obviously, I still plan on only sending the platoon, but don't be confused if I send a fleet or more troops rather quickly. Anyway, I should have an IC post up by the end of the day.

Also @Edjestan: Your propognda war idea looks very interesting! I look forward to seeing how it'll pan out.

[Danubian Peoples]

Nation Name: Federation of Danubia
Side Supporting:Neutral
Order of Battle: 5th Volunteer Battalion, consisting of the 9th and 10th Volunteer Companies (both numbering 200)
2 Cargo Aircraft
1 Transport ship
50 light infantry mortars (distributed 50/50 between the two companies)
1 bomber (retrofitted to airdrop relief goods)
relief goods(for the bomber to airdrop and ground forces to distribute)
Additional Information:The forces sent are a response to the Sultan's call for aid, however they are here to provide humanitarian aid to the reeling populace, and hopefully create peace between the two sides. Also these are volunteers so they'll be playing it safe, however they are armed in case of an attack from either side.

One question, how bad was the storm OP? If was bad enough to level entire houses, aand your country is a small tropical island, wouldn't the infrastructure be so bad and the jungles so thick that 'normal' warfare be impossible?

[Nations United for Conquest]

Colonial expansion. Or in modern terms “bringing freedom/protecting minorities”

How is that expansion? Even using the modern excuse, you can't justify destroying a tiny island of 6000 as liberating them. Carpet bombing =/= invading. If NUC wanted to annex (or 'liberate') the island, just one brigade of 1-2 thousand men could do it. The only thing a country would gain from doing the former is a reputation of 'don't mess with us, we carpet bomb tiny islands with tiny militaries.'

Either way, it's not important since NUC said it was just a joke.

I already have enough of a reputation that won't be changed by the bombing of a small island nation.

I'm just here to "keep the peace" and "stabilize" the island, that's all. It could use some protection and reform it seems, and we're more than happy to oblige in doing so...What that means, is up to you

[Terempang]

I apologize for my absence- I was rather busy over the course of this weekend.

@Malden Republic, NUC, Rhunnland, Munkchester and Allanea are accepted. Those who I haven't mentioned are denied. I will be closing applications for the royalist side from now on. I think that the current number of nations supporting both sides are sufficient, as Rhunnland has mentioned it does indeed make sense for most participants to support the legitimate government. However, as to ensure that the number of people supporting don't outnumber Terempang's population I'll close the apps for the Royalists. As Allanea has mentioned, I am balancing the whole situation somewhat as the majority of Terempang's population aren't really happy with the Sultan and thus the vast majority of the Sultan would rather support the Islamist rebels than the Sultan's government.

And as for Allanea, yes that is okay. As for your queries, the Islamists we're dealing with here aren't the Islamic State type but more of Iranian Revolution-style Shi'a Muslim revolutionary group and are fervently anti-socialist/communist. I think that it'd be better that intellegence be restricted to satellites and IC news information sources since I really doubt the need of agents in extremely irrelevant island countries

I hope this answers most queries, but do tell me if I missed anyone.

Since I got accepted, I'd like to clear up something. My country maintains an autonomous colony consisting of modern-day Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, and Singapore. Your factbooks state that the Islands are in the Singapore strait, meaning they are literally smack-dab in the middle of my Colony (ICly I don't see how my people back in the 1800s could have forgotten to colonize Terempang but whatever). That means that I'd already have (mostly Naval) forces in the region. Obviously, I still plan on only sending the platoon, but don't be confused if I send a fleet or more troops rather quickly. Anyway, I should have an IC post up by the end of the day.

Also @Edjestan: Your propognda war idea looks very interesting! I look forward to seeing how it'll pan out.

Seems fine with me. Also, I doubt Rhunnland would be too concerned by the insurgents since they’re mostly Shi’a so they probably wouldn’t be inspiring the mostly Sunni Muslims of Southeast Asia to rise up anytime soon

I’ll be pumping out a post by tommorow, most likely. @Danubia, accepted. The jungles are thick, and that certainly will play a factor in conflict on the island. Most larger buildings were damaged, but only houses in villages, shacks or otherwise slum areas were completely leveled.

[Thermodolia]

Colonial expansion. Or in modern terms “bringing freedom/protecting minorities”

How is that expansion? Even using the modern excuse, you can't justify destroying a tiny island of 6000 as liberating them. Carpet bombing =/= invading. If NUC wanted to annex (or 'liberate') the island, just one brigade of 1-2 thousand men could do it. The only thing a country would gain from doing the former is a reputation of 'don't mess with us, we carpet bomb tiny islands with tiny militaries.'

Either way, it's not important since NUC said it was just a joke.

Well Terempang does lie in the Singapore strait. So it could be used as a strategic military base. A lot of trade moves through that area

[Thermodolia]

I apologize for my absence- I was rather busy over the course of this weekend.

@Malden Republic, NUC, Rhunnland, Munkchester and Allanea are accepted. Those who I haven't mentioned are denied. I will be closing applications for the royalist side from now on. I think that the current number of nations supporting both sides are sufficient, as Rhunnland has mentioned it does indeed make sense for most participants to support the legitimate government. However, as to ensure that the number of people supporting don't outnumber Terempang's population I'll close the apps for the Royalists. As Allanea has mentioned, I am balancing the whole situation somewhat as the majority of Terempang's population aren't really happy with the Sultan and thus the vast majority of the Sultan would rather support the Islamist rebels than the Sultan's government.

And as for Allanea, yes that is okay. As for your queries, the Islamists we're dealing with here aren't the Islamic State type but more of Iranian Revolution-style Shi'a Muslim revolutionary group and are fervently anti-socialist/communist. I think that it'd be better that intellegence be restricted to satellites and IC news information sources since I really doubt the need of agents in extremely irrelevant island countries

I hope this answers most queries, but do tell me if I missed anyone.

Since I got accepted, I'd like to clear up something. My country maintains an autonomous colony consisting of modern-day Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, and Singapore. Your factbooks state that the Islands are in the Singapore strait, meaning they are literally smack-dab in the middle of my Colony (ICly I don't see how my people back in the 1800s could have forgotten to colonize Terempang but whatever). That means that I'd already have (mostly Naval) forces in the region. Obviously, I still plan on only sending the platoon, but don't be confused if I send a fleet or more troops rather quickly. Anyway, I should have an IC post up by the end of the day.

Also @Edjestan: Your propognda war idea looks very interesting! I look forward to seeing how it'll pan out.

Funny. If I decide to get involved I would be right on top as Thermodolia has holdings in the South China Sea

[Thermodolia]

Nation Name: Thermodolia
Side Supporting: Neutral
Order of Battle:

234th Naval Strike Group

5 Falcon-Class Guided Missile Corvettes
2 Belzoni Class Anti-Submarine Frigates
2 Ranger-class Destroyer, Flight II
1 Crusader-class Helicopter Destroyer
10 Blackfly-MU UAVs
5 Anakonda Attack Helicopters

5th Medical Group

TNS Mercy 5,000 bed hospital ship
2 Templar-class Destroyers
100 ground personnel.

Additional Information: Thermodolia will be attempting to set up an exclusion zone around the island under the pretenses of protecting international trade. We will also be providing medical services.

[Terempang]

Nation Name: Thermodolia
Side Supporting: Neutral
Order of Battle:

234th Naval Strike Group

5 Falcon-Class Guided Missile Corvettes
2 Belzoni Class Anti-Submarine Frigates
2 Ranger-class Destroyer, Flight II
1 Crusader-class Helicopter Destroyer
10 Blackfly-MU UAVs
5 Anakonda Attack Helicopters

5th Medical Group

TNS Mercy 5,000 bed hospital ship
2 Templar-class Destroyers
100 ground personnel.

Additional Information: Thermodolia will be attempting to set up an exclusion zone around the island under the pretenses of protecting international trade. We will also be providing medical services.

Accepted.

[United Islands of Polis]

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[Rhunnland]

As a response to Edjestan's propoganda war, I'm thinking about having Rhunnlandian courts rule that search engine/social platforms can't be bribed to mess w/ how search results come up. This would only affect my people, and I wouldn't do it 'till later in the RP, so does anyone have any major objections?

[Edjestan]

Propoganda war? Tjtjtjtjt We would never do such a thing

In al serieusness, I like how you think. But for now I want to point out that my people are not breaking any laws. In my post I was very explicit about this. Search engines earn a lot of their income from selling hits/links and advertisement. My people are simply buying a lot of those. None of the content they are posting is violating any of your laws. The volume might be a bit much but that is hardly a crime.
If your courts rule that way you would literally cut away 99% of the money search engines earn and put them out of business. Every search engine and multi media company in your country would fight such a ruling to the bitter end.

The idea behind it is good but bankrupting them might not be the best way to do it to get the result you want to achieve.


#game on!

[Rhunnland]

Propoganda war? Tjtjtjtjt We would never do such a thing

In al serieusness, I like how you think. But for now I want to point out that my people are not breaking any laws. In my post I was very explicit about this. Search engines earn a lot of their income from selling hits/links and advertisement. My people are simply buying a lot of those. None of the content they are posting is violating any of your laws. The volume might be a bit much but that is hardly a crime.
If your courts rule that way you would literally cut away 99% of the money search engines earn and put them out of business. Every search engine and multi media company in your country would fight such a ruling to the bitter end.

The idea behind it is good but bankrupting them might not be the best way to do it to get the result you want to achieve.


#game on!

That is true, and I see your logic. I was thinking more along the lines of them being marked as ads, and (personally) I usually ignore those. Obviously, as long as you media campaign doesn't conflict with my humanitarian stuff, there'll be no need for the ruling . Also, my country has a pretty good economy, so internet-related laws might affect people outside my borders. (Think GDPR making Americans get all those emails.)

On a different note, why are you supporting the Islamists from an IC point of view? Just wondering to get a better idea of what I (might be) up against.

[Nations United for Conquest]

Nation Name: Democratic Socialist Republic of Oskano [DSRO]
Side Supporting: I'm on my own side
Order of Battle:

77th RDIF FORPUN Section:

• A Company [Combat Company]
  • 1st Combat Platoon [36|Support Equipment|Light Transportation]
  • 2nd Combat Platoon [36|Support Equipment|Light Transportation]
  • 3rd Combat Platoon [36|Support Equipment|Light Transportation]
  • 4th Combat Platoon [36|Support Equipment|Mechanized Transportation]
  • 5th Combat Platoon [36|Support Equipment|Mechanized Transportation]
• B Company [Specialized Company]
  • 1st Heavy Combat Platoon [36|Support Equipment|Heavy Mech Transportation]
  • 2nd Heavy Combat Platoon [36|Support Equipment|Heavy Mech Transportation]
  • 1st Airborne Combat Platoon [36|Support Equipment|Airborne Transportation]
  • 2nd Airborne Combat Platoon [36|Support Equipment|Airborne Transportation]
  • 1st Armor Platoon [9 MT-65 A5|6 IG-21 A3|Support Equipment|Light Recon]
• Support Battery [6 AG-14|4 AG-21|4 AV-22|Support Equipment]
• Medical|Support Group

6th RAMIS Section, Jiro Detachment:

• Captain Rowen Rainier [12 Men|Support Equipment|Light Transportation]

Command Group:

• Command Group
• Area Denial Platoon [9 AD-18|Support Equipment]
• Mobile Air-Defense Platoon [8 AV-22|Support Equipment]
• Logistical Command Group

7th Support Fleet:

• ONS Vicc [FDCV|Fleet Detection and Command Vessel|Command Ship]
• ONS Fervent [CV]
• ONS Fenn [CVE]
• ONS Hunn [CVE]
• 3 FMDVs [Fleet Missile Defense Vessel]
• 7 MCOVs [Missile Capable Offensive Vessel]
• Some ATDs

Additional Information: Shrugs