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Postby Razzgriz » Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:34 pm

I was doing some research into your nation to see which side the Principality would support in your Rp, but now am inclined to find out more about your civil war and your old regime. Funny enough in my history outline I chose to end my nation's isolationist phase in 1980, though it was really to participate in the 30th Parallel War, and thought how your nation's civil war could have played a factor in it as well.

Assuming we were allies during the 1st Central Argus War (and possibly the 2nd if you decide to join), then the continuation of both trading and fighting on the same side would have made our governments close friends, though I also believe how close that friendship was depended on who was in power at the time and the internal affairs within both our nations.

That said, seeing as the current Overlord was a rebel and overthrew the previous monarch I thought it would be right to support Joshua McIntosh, but given how long he's been in power and whether the current Overlord would have tried to repair relations with the Osean government could have the Oseans merely sitting on the fence, wanting to get involved, but not sure who to support.

I figured I could add a competition between your faction to see who could secure backing from one of the nation's oldest allies and trade partners, further legitimizing there claims.
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Postby Dormill and Stiura » Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:27 am

So, things are starting to hit the fan elsewhere. Vanc has started a blockade of the ID and evidence suggests he will receive mostly international support, this will put the plans I have in place for blockading Arvan in jeopardy, it's too diplomatically dangerous to effect a blockade, even if internationally it is stated to protect freedom of navigation over the course of the coup.

The plan has to change, it has to be something where Vancouvia can't use it as a pretense to intervene in the conflict on the side of either the Overlord or the Government. At the moment I'm thinking that a new plan will involve the Army being deployed to Arvan in overt support for one of the two factions, whichever one receives stronger international support. From there, it's Caesar in Alexandria until the Prince's Plan comes to fruition.
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Postby Noronica » Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:53 am

Razzgriz wrote:I figured I could add a competition between your faction to see who could secure backing from one of the nation's oldest allies and trade partners, further legitimizing there claims.

This sounds good, but I imagine that this competition might begin later due to us not being in an armed phase of the RP. You could start posting if you like, but keep in mind that offering military assurances might spook the factions.
Dormill and Stiura wrote:So, things are starting to hit the fan elsewhere. Vanc has started a blockade of the ID and evidence suggests he will receive mostly international support, this will put the plans I have in place for blockading Arvan in jeopardy, it's too diplomatically dangerous to effect a blockade, even if internationally it is stated to protect freedom of navigation over the course of the coup.

The plan has to change, it has to be something where Vancouvia can't use it as a pretense to intervene in the conflict on the side of either the Overlord or the Government. At the moment I'm thinking that a new plan will involve the Army being deployed to Arvan in overt support for one of the two factions, whichever one receives stronger international support. From there, it's Caesar in Alexandria until the Prince's Plan comes to fruition.

I think Van might be interested in joining the RP as we did speak about it via tg, however, I agree, with this new course of action I think changing plans might be warranted.

That would be a good idea at the start of the conflict, but I wonder if you might involve the army on the side of Lord Montague after the event which I shall not write about just yet because I think it will be a nice surprise to have unannounced right now. That way it would add an interesting tension to the final agreement on Arván at the end of the story.

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Postby Razzgriz » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:25 am

Noronica wrote:
Razzgriz wrote:I figured I could add a competition between your faction to see who could secure backing from one of the nation's oldest allies and trade partners, further legitimizing there claims.

This sounds good, but I imagine that this competition might begin later due to us not being in an armed phase of the RP. You could start posting if you like, but keep in mind that offering military assurances might spook the factions.
Dormill and Stiura wrote:So, things are starting to hit the fan elsewhere. Vanc has started a blockade of the ID and evidence suggests he will receive mostly international support, this will put the plans I have in place for blockading Arvan in jeopardy, it's too diplomatically dangerous to effect a blockade, even if internationally it is stated to protect freedom of navigation over the course of the coup.

The plan has to change, it has to be something where Vancouvia can't use it as a pretense to intervene in the conflict on the side of either the Overlord or the Government. At the moment I'm thinking that a new plan will involve the Army being deployed to Arvan in overt support for one of the two factions, whichever one receives stronger international support. From there, it's Caesar in Alexandria until the Prince's Plan comes to fruition.

I think Van might be interested in joining the RP as we did speak about it via tg, however, I agree, with this new course of action I think changing plans might be warranted.

That would be a good idea at the start of the conflict, but I wonder if you might involve the army on the side of Lord Montague after the event which I shall not write about just yet because I think it will be a nice surprise to have unannounced right now. That way it would add an interesting tension to the final agreement on Arván at the end of the story.

The Gatadpatigan Crisis may force the Grand Principality to get involved in matters sooner than thought. It may not be through military aid just yet, but with the possible outbreak of war, securing a stable ally in the Argean has become one of the governments primary objectives. With you in shambles, the Osean currently have no choice but to support the UR in its ambitions in order to possibly ensure their support in either pressuring the Magrati to concede before the GPR's Ships arrive or if comes to it at least ensure Vancouvia does not get involved and allows the war to be fought by the Magrati alone.
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Postby Vancouvia » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:31 am

I'm planning on actually reading the whole thread by this weekend then I can see if there's a place for me to be involved because right now it's posturing

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Postby Dormill and Stiura » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:39 am

Noronica wrote:That would be a good idea at the start of the conflict, but I wonder if you might involve the army on the side of Lord Montague after the event which I shall not write about just yet because I think it will be a nice surprise to have unannounced right now. That way it would add an interesting tension to the final agreement on Arván at the end of the story.

The Army won't overtly support Lord Montague after the event, but it will act in a way that does support him in the end.
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Postby Noronica » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:36 am

The fuse has been lit.

The Overlord's trial is set to be the 20th January 2019, but beforehand he must abdicate the throne as demanded by the Government and the Federal Assembly.

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=35066846#p35066846

A post should follow soon after.

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Postby Dormill and Stiura » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:41 am

Big Important Post: viewtopic.php?ns=1&f=5&t=448443&p=35067690#p35067690

Bigger More Important News Post: viewtopic.php?ns=1&f=4&t=337003&p=35067811#p35067811

So. Here's the plan.

With the National Congress being called back, they will deliberate on the many situations, and in a broad sense stand behind the actions already taken by representatives of D&S. It will dedicate aid to Menna, stand against Vancouvia officially, decline the request to purchase D&S's territory in Swaneeak and open the door to negotiating recognition for the other territories, stand behind Ainslie in Gresswell, and maintain the sanctions against Thuzbekistan. The important one to look out for in this case is how they will handle Noronica.

This is a matter of timing, since the situation changed such that the Navy can't blockade Arvan, the Army will have to be sent in under the guise of peacekeeping as the Coup begins. Or, authorize the President to utilize military forces to maintain peace if and when the situation in Noronica turns sour, whichever happens first or is more politically viable. Therefore, the Coup in Noronica will have to already be underway by the time this happens or in the other case, pretty soon, and the international community has to have chosen a side before this happens, but at the same time too much time cannot pass between the start of this emergency session and then so the political situation remains hot in both countries.

I don't want to push Noro's timetable for the Coup to early (because if I were planning the Coup to happen, I'd choose the Ides of March), but I want to leave it out there that things are certainly picking up speed towards the inevitable.
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Postby Noronica » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:16 pm

Oh don't worry, the situation will blow up much sooner than that. Today's posts are the beginning of the end. If everything sticks to plan, I have something else planned for March.

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Postby Almorea » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:29 pm

Noronica wrote:Oh don't worry, the situation will blow up much sooner than that. Today's posts are the beginning of the end. If everything sticks to plan, I have something else planned for March.

When will the shooting start?
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Postby Iosnil » Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:45 am

Sorry I haven’t posted just had a bit of a downer but I’m back in

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Postby Almorea » Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:18 pm

Ambassador summoned in news post, other than that not a lot will be happening besides spy's activities.
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Postby Alteran Republics » Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:18 pm

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Postby Dormill and Stiura » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:31 am

Ok, I'll be posting this to clarify the military plans D&S has for Noronica.

The 1st and 2nd Brigades will head to Arvan, with the 1st as the spearhead to secure vital targets along the way while the 2nd clears up behind them. Their first objective is to secure Alban as an anchor for the operation, at which point the two regiments of each will split up and head along the eastern and western ends of the peninsula, probably to meet up around Alimenter.

I suspect the military in Arvan is still loyal to the Overlord so they'll have to be fought first throughout the entirety of the peninsula before it can be secured.

Additionally, a platoon from the Special Forces Regiment will be sent to St. Recont to secure the Prefect, but he will not be harmed.

Finally, I will deploy the 1st Coastal Defense Force to patrol the waters in the area, but I will keep the Coastal Assault Force in port just in case they're needed.

And if D&S has to fight, I want to also ask if it might be possible to have the Bureau shut down air defenses in St. Recont for my special forces.
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Postby Keomora » Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:11 pm

Dormill and Stiura wrote:Ok, I'll be posting this to clarify the military plans D&S has for Noronica.

The 1st and 2nd Brigades will head to Arvan, with the 1st as the spearhead to secure vital targets along the way while the 2nd clears up behind them. Their first objective is to secure Alban as an anchor for the operation, at which point the two regiments of each will split up and head along the eastern and western ends of the peninsula, probably to meet up around Alimenter.

I suspect the military in Arvan is still loyal to the Overlord so they'll have to be fought first throughout the entirety of the peninsula before it can be secured.

Additionally, a platoon from the Special Forces Regiment will be sent to St. Recont to secure the Prefect, but he will not be harmed.

Finally, I will deploy the 1st Coastal Defense Force to patrol the waters in the area, but I will keep the Coastal Assault Force in port just in case they're needed.

And if D&S has to fight, I want to also ask if it might be possible to have the Bureau shut down air defenses in St. Recont for my special forces.

Are the troops already in Arvan? And if I want to write a condemnation what information should I have access to (what can I know?)
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Postby Noronica » Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:33 am

Dormill and Stiura wrote:Ok, I'll be posting this to clarify the military plans D&S has for Noronica.

The 1st and 2nd Brigades will head to Arvan, with the 1st as the spearhead to secure vital targets along the way while the 2nd clears up behind them. Their first objective is to secure Alban as an anchor for the operation, at which point the two regiments of each will split up and head along the eastern and western ends of the peninsula, probably to meet up around Alimenter.

I suspect the military in Arvan is still loyal to the Overlord so they'll have to be fought first throughout the entirety of the peninsula before it can be secured.

Additionally, a platoon from the Special Forces Regiment will be sent to St. Recont to secure the Prefect, but he will not be harmed.

Finally, I will deploy the 1st Coastal Defense Force to patrol the waters in the area, but I will keep the Coastal Assault Force in port just in case they're needed.

And if D&S has to fight, I want to also ask if it might be possible to have the Bureau shut down air defenses in St. Recont for my special forces.

This is good. I think a conflict would be interesting to RP, especially as I have a plan for Joshua to be a bit of an arse here. Knowing him, he'd love the grasp at the opportunity to 'kill two birds with one stone'.

Despite Dormill and Stiura showing dedication to his cause, having a large presence in Arván would worry Joshua. He knows that many of the units stationed in Arván will be loyal to their oath to the Overlord, and therefore he would want to quell that threat immediately. This would be done by issuing an order for the units within Arván to surrender and return to Nolon to add to his own numbers, those loyal to him will do so, while those defiant would stay in the peninsula. Inevitably, seeing Dormill and Stiuraian troops crossing the border will rile them and the commanders loyal to the Overlord would have an interest in repelling said troops. While the Dormill and Stiuraian forces would overpower the remaining defenders, their own numbers would be diminished. With the Arvanan defence loyal to the Overlord dead or imprisoned, a contingent of loyal troops still in Arván and a slightly weaker Dormill and Stiuraian force, Joshua would have a much simpler time if the overall conflict ends in his favour.

Would this be acceptable? I understand that a loss of troops would not exactly be something good, but this would fit Joshua's paranoia over the line between friends and enemies.

If so then yes, having the Bureau going behind the scenes to hamper the defence effort would make sense.

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Postby Noronica » Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:36 am

Keomora wrote:Are the troops already in Arvan? And if I want to write a condemnation what information should I have access to (what can I know?)

I think they would be, but you'd have to wait for Dormill's answer. Who would be the condemnation be towards?

In terms of information: all that has been announced in the news would be public and intergovernmental knowledge. Diplomatic discussions between D&S/Noro Government would not be. Is there anything specific you want to condemn?

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Postby Dormill and Stiura » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:27 am

Noronica wrote:This is good. I think a conflict would be interesting to RP, especially as I have a plan for Joshua to be a bit of an arse here. Knowing him, he'd love the grasp at the opportunity to 'kill two birds with one stone'.

Despite Dormill and Stiura showing dedication to his cause, having a large presence in Arván would worry Joshua. He knows that many of the units stationed in Arván will be loyal to their oath to the Overlord, and therefore he would want to quell that threat immediately. This would be done by issuing an order for the units within Arván to surrender and return to Nolon to add to his own numbers, those loyal to him will do so, while those defiant would stay in the peninsula. Inevitably, seeing Dormill and Stiuraian troops crossing the border will rile them and the commanders loyal to the Overlord would have an interest in repelling said troops. While the Dormill and Stiuraian forces would overpower the remaining defenders, their own numbers would be diminished. With the Arvanan defence loyal to the Overlord dead or imprisoned, a contingent of loyal troops still in Arván and a slightly weaker Dormill and Stiuraian force, Joshua would have a much simpler time if the overall conflict ends in his favour.

Would this be acceptable? I understand that a loss of troops would not exactly be something good, but this would fit Joshua's paranoia over the line between friends and enemies.

If so then yes, having the Bureau going behind the scenes to hamper the defence effort would make sense.

I expected losses to happen anyways, not extreme losses but enough that it would make sense given that the Noronnicans know the terrain better and they're going up against Dormill-Stiuraian troops with very strict rules of engagement.
Keomora wrote:Are the troops already in Arvan? And if I want to write a condemnation what information should I have access to (what can I know?)

What Keomora, and every nation aside the Gael Four members who have been briefed, should know is that:
  1. Ever since the 2015 Invasion, the United Republics and Noronica both have competing claims in Arvan.
  2. Dormill and Stiura has claimed that since Noronica violated the Treaty of St. Recont, that their claim is null (Arvan just before the end of the First Arvannan War was under Stiuraian control, mostly).
  3. Dormill and Stiura has publicly sided with the Prime Minister and the Government against the Overlord.
  4. Given these three, if you are on the side of the Overlord, this is an invasion of Noronica; if you are on the side of the Government, this is Dormill and Stiura rendering aid while the Government focuses its fight on the mainland.
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:07 pm

I would love to be involved with this on the side of the government. How can we do this?
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Postby Ostehaar » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:52 am

Thuzbekistan wrote:I would love to be involved with this on the side of the government. How can we do this?

Looks like we're going to be allies, then... :P

Oh god, that's actually great! we can start the negotiations involving the pilot and what-not with some kind of a hint of future cooperation.

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Postby Thuzbekistan » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:11 pm

Ostehaar wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:I would love to be involved with this on the side of the government. How can we do this?

Looks like we're going to be allies, then... :P

Oh god, that's actually great! we can start the negotiations involving the pilot and what-not with some kind of a hint of future cooperation.


That would be awesome! One hell of a reversal too.
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Postby Noronica » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:15 pm

Dormill and Stiura - likely to write up a post tomorrow for the Arvanan situation as planned above. I'd say that ICly, Dormill and Stiuraian troops should expect a difficult yet definitely manageable force to overcome. I'll detail exact units in my post!
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Thuzbekistan wrote:I would love to be involved with this on the side of the government. How can we do this?

Looks like we're going to be allies, then... :P

Oh god, that's actually great! we can start the negotiations involving the pilot and what-not with some kind of a hint of future cooperation.

Is Ostehaar supporting the government? That will be a definite blow to Tytus!

Interesting twists seem to be afoot then!
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Postby Ostehaar » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:45 am

Noronica wrote:Is Ostehaar supporting the government? That will be a definite blow to Tytus!

That's what I'll probably end up doing, given the current situation.

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Postby Noronica » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:12 pm

Apologies for the delay - I have had a huge week with RL stuff sort-of unexpectedly. Should have a post in the weekend and it will be as planned. This should hopefully fit as I envisioned confusion and hesitation on Noronica's part so the wait would make sense.

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Postby Noronica » Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:58 pm

New post!

I'm hoping to accurately display the dichotomy between Tytus/Joshua and Trystan, as the first two are old politicians fighting the war through old conventional means while Trystan brings a modern outlook. Including a youngish character in one of the sides provides an interesting way of handling this. Also, it this allowed me to take inspiration from the Cambridge Analytica scandal in the UK where a company targeted people on the internet through the aggressive use of political ads. I also could not resist alluding to those ever-controversial Russian bots by introducing Noronnican ones! :P

I have also updated on Arván, hopefully conveying the fear that those staying behind are feeling with the Dormill-Stiuraians on their tail.

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