A New Kind of War (Official OOC/OPEN)

[Durzan]

Thats a good point. Lets just say that we have all established embassies in each other's lands either before the RP started, or as events unfolded in January.

Also, since things are starting to heat up, I think we need to establish what happens if/when a nation gets totally conquered by another nation.

My thoughts are that we give the conquered player a couple of choices:
1. They can choose to leave the game entirely, and all their land troops, tech, equipment, cities, and so forth effectively get annexed by the conquering nation.
2. They retain control of their country, but have their government replaced with a puppet government that is allied with the conquering nation and obligated to side with and support the conquering nation. IE, they were effectively annexed, but the player retains control over their land and troops. ALA Soviet Union style.
3. Other options as determined between the conquering player, the conquered player, and the GS.

I agree with those choices, but if a revolution occurred and is successful in a nation, the GS is in control of the new nation. I have also been thinking when the land on the map is filed up, if a new nation wants to join they must attempt a revolution within a nation with high PD to get control of a nation.

A revolution could work, but allow that nation (or multiple nations) the opportunity to willingly donate land to the new player. Again, we could treat the new player as a puppet nation for the donator nation, unless they openly revolt. Such is what I would do, if I brought my puppet nation Settatrelsiemi into the game. Lorewise, my Empire is already formed up of mostly self-governing regions/states/territories united under the banner of the High Emperor (hence why he is called the High Emperor as opposed to simply Emperor), so it would not be hard for me to do such a thing.

Also, earlier I asked for permission to make a flashback post with regards to what the Empire did during the rest of January with regards to Jackania. I said that Durzan would've been able to spot the Militia's movements before February and would've reacted in some way, up to and including sending additional reinforcements, responding to the JLM's assertions, and otherwise react.

Also cited personal reasons (College/University stuff) for not being able to post in the IC Thread the past few days. Also been trying to working with Yugo behind the scenes in the past 24 hours to set up more interesting scenarios.

[New yugoslavaia]

Oi, I'm still in the game, just my nation is more democratic and the previous leader is dead. Not going to sell it to some UN knockoff just yet.

[Durzan]

Oi, I'm still in the game, just my nation is more democratic and the previous leader is dead. Not going to sell it to some UN knockoff just yet.

[Atrat]

Will fix Durza and Durzan issue, sorry for the mix up, that’s my bad. Please don’t use retarded in this thread, there’s no place for that. I don’t care about a lot but that word hits close to home.

Also, I only skipped ahead because we were supposed to from what I read. As far as your soldiers speech goes, I find it highly unrealistic that a soldier of a foreign power would ever be put in a position to give a speech to a native and unruly populace. That not only undermines the supported regime but is a role a native soldier takes. Nor would
That speech fall on listening ears. No foreign soldier has bee convinced a populace to not revolt. That’s why I didn’t give that any air time. But I did allow for the capital to pacify as a result. And as far as any attempt for peace goes, that has to be green lighted through New Yugo. And in the interest of keeping the RP moving I have continued to escalate things in Jackania despite New Yugos absence, but am happy to have them back.

New Yugo, welcome back. The JLM insurgency is not something you can just wipe out. You need to detail what you are doing, you can’t just say the military is reacting. Everyone so far who has deployed troops or used them in any crisis has detailed information regarding their moves, ranging from their unit strength to weapons used. You have to be more elborate. And as happy as they are to see Sampson dead, you didn’t give any info on that either. Who is in charge of the government now? The military? These transitions are multi post events, not just half a paragraph.

If I’m off base let me know, but these are legitimate issues.

[New yugoslavaia]

Will fix Durza and Durzan issue, sorry for the mix up, that’s my bad. Please don’t use retarded in this thread, there’s no place for that. I don’t care about a lot but that word hits close to home.

Also, I only skipped ahead because we were supposed to from what I read. As far as your soldiers speech goes, I find it highly unrealistic that a soldier of a foreign power would ever be put in a position to give a speech to a native and unruly populace. That not only undermines the supported regime but is a role a native soldier takes. Nor would
That speech fall on listening ears. No foreign soldier has bee convinced a populace to not revolt. That’s why I didn’t give that any air time. But I did allow for the capital to pacify as a result. And as far as any attempt for peace goes, that has to be green lighted through New Yugo. And in the interest of keeping the RP moving I have continued to escalate things in Jackania despite New Yugos absence, but am happy to have them back.

New Yugo, welcome back. The JLM insurgency is not something you can just wipe out. You need to detail what you are doing, you can’t just say the military is reacting. Everyone so far who has deployed troops or used them in any crisis has detailed information regarding their moves, ranging from their unit strength to weapons used. You have to be more elborate. And as happy as they are to see Sampson dead, you didn’t give any info on that either. Who is in charge of the government now? The military? These transitions are multi post events, not just half a paragraph.

If I’m off base let me know, but these are legitimate issues.

Sorry about, I'll try and sort it out. It says in my app it's pending, so let's just say a council. Also, the JLM still controls a good amount of places, just not Azure city and one third of the country.

[Durzan]

Posted a series of flash-back telegrams in the reserved post I made. Everyone please read it.

Its right below the GS post.

[Durzan]

-snip-

Thanks. Hey, where exactly on the map is this frontier with the natives? The only unclaimed territory is actually on my north eastern border. Thats what I typically mean when I say frontier...

[Durzan]

Getting ready to make a short post. Hey Yugo, since you were so vauge about how my troops were involved, which, by the way, it is my decision on if or how my troops would fight alongside yours. As a result, I'm gonna take some small liberties in explaining how the events played out leading to your leaders assassination in order to return the favor.

[Durzan]

Getting ready to make a short post. Hey Yugo, since you were so vauge about how my troops were involved, which, by the way, it is my decision on if or how my troops would fight alongside yours. As a result, I'm gonna take some small liberties in explaining how the events played out leading to your leaders assassination in order to return the favor.

Its official, I've done my own stirring of the pot.

[Durzan]

hello? guys?

[Stoklomolvi]

Maybe people had activities planned this weekend.

[The United Conservative Provinces]

I’ve been pretty busy lately, but I will try and get a post in soon.

[Atrat]

BEen a crazy weekend in Texas, stil ltrying to catch up on posts

[Durzan]

BEen a crazy weekend in Texas, stil ltrying to catch up on posts

Howdy, fellow texan!

[Atrat]

Im gonna make a post and try and touch on everything thats happened so far and talk about every nation i can, but for future reference, if you are going to take military actions, you can't wipe out a rebellion in one post or just have regime change overnight

[Atrat]

POST IS UP, lets get things heated up.

[The United Conservative Provinces]

I’m working on a post now. I hope the other members of this RP post soon to keep this thread going.

[Trioad]

Just got a small post in. Hopefully we gets some league of Solaria posts

[Durzan]

POST IS UP, lets get things heated up.

Hey, Atrat... we need to talk. I think you and I need to do more behind the scenes coordination on how this scenario with the Natives SHOULD play out.

[New yugoslavaia]

You know what Durzan, you can puppet my nation. I've lost interest in this RP. Sorry.

[Durzan]

You know what Durzan, you can puppet my nation. I've lost interest in this RP. Sorry.

Very well then, I will do so.

[Durzan]

From now on, Jackania is de facto province of the Empire of Durzan. Of course, I will roleplay the effective changes accordingly.

However, for simplicity's sake and as a future example for when a nation is conquered or otherwise assimilated by another player (without the former player staying), I'm going to effectively make them one nation. Keeping track of two different countries with vastly different tech levels and army compositions is a pain in my backside. So, here's how I am going to treat this:

• Jackania's current population will be frozen and shall be counted as a one time bonus to the Empire's overall population.
• Tech Level & Max Military Size: The nation with higher overall stats will take precedence, and the stats of the lower nation will be subsumed into the higher. In this case, Jackanian stats will mostly be dropped in favor of using the stats of my own nation, representing the fact that the Empire's resources are being brought to bear in order to improve the quality of life for all citizens in Jackania.
• Current Jackanian Military Forces: The current number of Jackanian troops will be added to mine, capping of course at the maximum army I am allowed to have. Jackanian military will effectively become Durzanian troops.
• Public Dissatisfaction: Jackania will maintain its own Public Dissatisfaction rating until it approaches a level close to whatever Durzanian PD is, at which point, I will also merge them together.

-Snip-

Hey UCP, Can I Get a color change for the nation of Jackania? Make it a color similar to mine. I want it clear that it is a part of the Empire, but don't go making it an official part of my own nation as of yet until I can get a stable hold of the situation over there. As soon as the Jackanian PD is equal to or lower than the Durzanian PD, you can officially make it a part of the Empire and erase Jackania off the map as a sovereign nation.

[Stoklomolvi]

Both of your nations' PD should also increase, then, since you're an occupying power (tying up manpower and materiel abroad) and he's being occupied by a foreign power (death to foreign scum). You shouldn't be able to simply calm down his entire nation with some speech.

[Durzan]

Both of your nations' PD should also increase, then, since you're an occupying power (tying up manpower and materiel abroad) and he's being occupied by a foreign power (death to foreign scum). You shouldn't be able to simply calm down his entire nation with some speech.

Except that I wouldn't need to occupy them occupying them at all in order to annex them. All I have to do is have the legitimately Democratic Government sign a treaty that establishes an alliance with the Empire as a foundation. From there annexation would be a natural step for Jackania to make. All territories in the Empire are self-governing and somewhat democratic in nature anyway, so allowing the Jackanian's to have a Democratic Government wouldn't be a problem; indeed, it was my plan all along to establish a Democratic government and then establish a relationship with them that would eventually lead to annexation. The Empire is patient; it would rather build up the infrastructure of an ally in the hopes of earning loyalty and eventual annexation verses occupying it militarily.

In other words, the Empire lets nations join the Empire of its own free will. The nations involved get democratic representation in the government of a powerful Empire; gain access to its resources, military, and powerful economy; and get to be self governed in a manner of their choosing. Of course, the trade off is that they are part of an Empire, must uphold the Imperial Laws that apply to all providences and territories under Imperial control, and help aid in the interests of the Empire.

Thus, I would argue that there wouldn't be a significant PD increase in both nations.

The JLM would be getting what they want, a democratic government and a better standard of living for their nation. Jackania is a poor nation that up until recently has been ruled by a brutal dictator, they are going to take what they can get... especially with a corrupt military breathing down their necks. To be frank, the Jackanian Military is what actually holds the power at the moment in Jackania, not the JLM... at least from a realistic standpoint (mechanically, that's debatable). If they wanted to, the Jackanian Military would likely crush the Liberation Movement's militia with their numbers alone, even without Durzanian interference. If that happened, they would re-establish a military dictatorship, and it would likely be more brutal than the last. Arguably, it is because of my prompt interference and alliance with the Jackanian Government that is what is staying the hand of the Jackanian Military at the moment. Thus, in a sense, they owe the Empire... and when faced between the choice of swearing loyalty to a foreign power in order to guarantee a democratic government or being wiped off the face of the earth, you can probably guess what they are going to choose.

I've already factored the PD hit for having foreign troops within Jackania that have fought. Thus, any significant increase in PD would go to Jackania alone... at least at first.

Keep in mind, that my negotiations for the annexation of Jackania would be going on behind the scenes between my government and the government of Jackania. The General Populace would only hear about a potential alliance at first. Annexation wouldn't officially happen for a while.

[Durzan]

Made another IC post, both as Durzan and as Jackania.

Edit: As agreed upon via our Discord discussion Stockmolvi... that encrypted message to the Native peoples is officially "leaked" to your spies. Or rather, I am giving you permission to intercept it.