The Azadistani - Munkchester War [OOC] [MT?] [Closed]

[Balticius]

The Baltician Army sends 1 division
at first) (10,000 men) to assist the Angel Alliance.

[Munkchester]

Guess it's going to constitute a misuse of public funds, embezzlement, and bribery, then, because Azadistan repeatedly accepted the requests from me.

[Ishtaria]

Hey, this RP seems alright. Tagging for interest & monitoring reasons! Can anyone explain to me the important events that have happened so far? Thanks.

[Old Beringia]

Forgive me for being a bit of a party-pooper, but...

“I’d say around 5... It’s on that Phalanx-Class in the submarine group nearing the Suez that Shawn talked about. They’re mounted on Thors- surface-to-surface cruise missiles that I would say aren’t large enough or patterned likely to look like a complete ballistic missile, so we avoid triggering any nuclear responses.”
[...]
“We’re going to smuggle them past Librarian/Austorian air and naval patrols in the dead of night in several VAM-66 ‘narco-submarines’

(1) What cruise missiles have a range of 2000 km?
(2) Are they small enough not to be suited for nuclear warheads?
(3) What ability to they have to avoid interception?
(4) How much time would it take these submarines to travel 2000 km?
(5) Why would a modern country have patrols which rely on visible light?

There are cruise missiles, like the AGM-129, 3M-14, and Kh-55, that have ranges in excess of 2000km but as far as I know comparable missiles with that range are kind of beefy. But even tomahawks can be nuclear armed, and even that variant had a range of 2500km. Though idk about Exodia's missiles. I'm guessing they're not following a ballistic trajectory and "falling" on their target to avoid that designation.

And I'm working on my reply now. Personal stuff kept me away.

[Democratic Exodian Territories]

Forgive me for being a bit of a party-pooper, but...

“I’d say around 5... It’s on that Phalanx-Class in the submarine group nearing the Suez that Shawn talked about. They’re mounted on Thors- surface-to-surface cruise missiles that I would say aren’t large enough or patterned likely to look like a complete ballistic missile, so we avoid triggering any nuclear responses.”
[...]
“We’re going to smuggle them past Librarian/Austorian air and naval patrols in the dead of night in several VAM-66 ‘narco-submarines’

(1) What cruise missiles have a range of 2000 km?
(2) Are they small enough not to be suited for nuclear warheads?
(3) What ability to they have to avoid interception?
(4) How much time would it take these submarines to travel 2000 km?
(5) Why would a modern country have patrols which rely on visible light?

I'll answer these, just please, can we change the map to have a land border with the Middle East? It's been well-established that Azadistan has continental land.

1: This can. Keep in mind that this is also early PMT.
2: Yes.
3: Chaff is deployed during an optional "stage zero" which allows them to bypass early AA defenses, and its second-stage supersonic speed can deter most defense systems like AA guns or SAMs. Still, the reason infantry was deployed to the ground was for them to destroy Azadistani AA guns and missiles and allow for an unhindered transference to second stage.
4: Not much, maybe over half a day (provided these submarines have supercaptivation technology), but two days to prep for the mission itself.
5: None, but with anti-thermal capabilities, the water (and the air) seems somewhat murky at night, doesn't it?

[Mandakhstan]

Hi, I was considering participating in this thread, but I had a few questions first.

First of all, what computers are people using? Second, what's the overall tech level? Strictly modern tech, or some liberties given that it's NS? Third, how open is shipping around Azidistan and Libraria & Ausitoria?

[Worwin]

Tagged for interest

[Sinkretichki Kombinat]

I'll be jumping into this, just when you thought things couldn't get even worse

[Democratic Exodian Territories]

Hi, I was considering participating in this thread, but I had a few questions first.

First of all, what computers are people using? Second, what's the overall tech level? Strictly modern tech, or some liberties given that it's NS? Third, how open is shipping around Azidistan and Libraria & Ausitoria?

Computers: IRL or IC? I'm on a Mac.

Tech Level: MT-Early PMT.

Shipping: Well, almost completely closed off due to both Azadistani and Librarian/Austorian patrols.

[Mandakhstan]

Hi, I was considering participating in this thread, but I had a few questions first.

First of all, what computers are people using? Second, what's the overall tech level? Strictly modern tech, or some liberties given that it's NS? Third, how open is shipping around Azidistan and Libraria & Ausitoria?

Computers: IRL or IC? I'm on a Mac.

Tech Level: MT-Early PMT.

Shipping: Well, almost completely closed off due to both Azadistani and Librarian/Austorian patrols.

IC. I've got plans.

[Aresin]

War ain't even over and Azadistan is already trying to stir up more trouble.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

A declaration that Munkchester puts explosives in people's heads doesn't seem to be false. And having their Maharani temporarily kidnapped while on a diplomatic visit is kind of the opposite of putting Azadistan in a poor light.

As such, Aresin, if you can't refrain from spreading IC propaganda in an OOC topic, I shall ban you from here. This is a place to manage RPing, not a place to dress up IC arguments as OOC arguments.

Anyway, apologies for not being able to get a reply on this end of the thread yet. I should be able to get one up tomorrow, and also try to fix the map a bit.

By the way, Combine, Ausitoria's going to start to attack your ships before they can join the others the Mediteranean, so don't RP that you've joined up with the other forces yet. So that I can RP properly, can I have more details about the size of your Quiver-class arsenal ships and the outer defences of your fleet?

(If you aren't familiar with the subject, please read this. I don't want to take advantage of anyone's ignorance... well, not if it's unrealistic).

First of all, what computers are people using? Second, what's the overall tech level? Strictly modern tech, or some liberties given that it's NS? Third, how open is shipping around Azidistan and Libraria & Ausitoria?

1: Various. 2: Strictly realistic on the basis of MT, i.e. with allowances for larger countries having a greater technological investment. (So, no EM cone thrusters). 3: Only Ausitorian-approved, i.e., no weapons at all.

[Sokotre]

Hello. I will be joining this maybe. First I need to know some things.

[Sokotre]

Where is the OOC for Azadistan Federal Police warning on Munkchesterian Terror?

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Here, given that the two topics are getting a bit merged by Combine.

Look, in reply to your TG, much as you might like to join the Commonwealth, your nation would cease to be independent in most matters. The Commonwealth can (and will) arrest people that disobey Commonwealth law, enforce Commonwealth law in your territories, and generally make it impossible for your nation to choose how to run its own affairs. The Commonwealth is a centralized state and if your nation ever resists that you'll find the Commonwealth just throws up its hands and gives your nation independence whether it wants it or not. You cannot force the Commonwealth to run your country.

Furthermore, although you would notionally secure your defence, the Commonwealth is very overstretched. And you could be just as well defended as an independent country. The Commonwealth protects any countries which fulfil the majority of the following criteria:

(1) Countries that do not threaten international security, (2) Countries that intend to trade with the Commonwealth, and (3) Countries with a liberal government.

(Interestingly Azadistan is the most borderline case so far: elements within the country threaten international security (and the Commonwealth is about to announce measures which will eradicate them), Azadistan trades little with the Commonwealth, and Azadistan's government is almost too anarchic to be a government, let alone liberal).

[Sokotre]

Here, given that the two topics are getting a bit merged by Combine.

Look, in reply to your TG, much as you might like to join the Commonwealth, your nation would cease to be independent in most matters. The Commonwealth can (and will) arrest people that disobey Commonwealth law, enforce Commonwealth law in your territories, and generally make it impossible for your nation to choose how to run its own affairs. The Commonwealth is a centralized state and if your nation ever resists that you'll find the Commonwealth just throws up its hands and gives your nation independence whether it wants it or not. You cannot force the Commonwealth to run your country.

Furthermore, although you would notionally secure your defence, the Commonwealth is very overstretched. And you could be just as well defended as an independent country. The Commonwealth protects any countries which fulfil the majority of the following criteria:

(1) Countries that do not threaten international security, (2) Countries that intend to trade with the Commonwealth, and (3) Countries with a liberal government.

(Interestingly Azadistan is the most borderline case so far: elements within the country threaten international security (and the Commonwealth is about to announce measures which will eradicate them), Azadistan trades little with the Commonwealth, and Azadistan's government is almost too anarchic to be a government, let alone liberal).

The government is liberal and would see joining the Commonwealth as a good thing: It will be very good for me economically (and maybe you too, I have oil and gas) to be part of a larger stage and perhaps politically since maybe you are able to govern better than us. militarily, my army is very small, woefully outdated and underfunded. During the Communist era it used to be large with thousands of tanks and hundreds of aircraft but now we only have rusting T-55's and MiG-19's left to use, as well as a decaying nuclear arsenal. If we can just leave, there's no harm in trying

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Oh god, not another country with Oil and Gas. I suppose you don't know that the Aestorian Government taxes pollutants?

Ok, read this and this. If you can agree to them (and if you can understand them), then you can join.

(Ok, that's a bit cruel. If you can read this and agree to it and understand it, I'll be satisfied).

[Sokotre]

Oh god, not another country with Oil and Gas. I suppose you don't know that the Aestorian Government taxes pollutants?

Ok, read this and this. If you can agree to them (and if you can understand them), then you can join.

(Ok, that's a bit cruel. If you can read this and agree to it and understand it, I'll be satisfied).

I agree! I look forward to being part of this union for peace and prosperity. So now that I (think I am?) in the Commonwealth, I will need you to help me with something. I maybe will send the request via IC to you, so I can RP. My people have some left over problems.

[Old Beringia]

How exactly is this rp "Strictly realistic on the basis of MT" when there's a Mach 10 spacecraft that can be launched in a moment's notice flying around launching drones that penetrate hostile airspace undetected that can save someone being thrown into a volcano. I've been rolling with some of the other claims in the thread but that just seems way too out there even for NS MT.

[New Roma Republic]

I've been monitoring from afar, but am interested in posting.

[Lethen Empire]

What's up jacobins, it's you're boy Lethinknee Imperium

[Mecklenburg-Cispomerania]

Fuck it, guess I'll join the bandwagon ayy lmao

FLEET COMM: Abd al-Qadir class ship 'Stitin'.

• Complement: 12 Super Hornet's, 4 Growler's, 4 E-2D Hawkeye's, 12 AS532's

SURFACE COMPLEMENT:

• 4x Baden-Württemberg-class frigates
• 4x De Zeven Provinciën-class frigates
• 5x Sovremennyy-class destroyers

SUB-SURFACE COMPLEMENT:

• 3x Ohio-class submarines, equipped with modules for ASDS support.

[Munkchester]

Unfortunately it would appear Ausitoria has blocked my telegrams after I sent him my terms for peace (any reason as to why?), so I'll put this here instead.

Please edit the OP, the Sultan's head is still on a spike on the Eastgate.

[New Roma Republic]

Unfortunately it would appear Ausitoria has blocked my telegrams after I sent him my terms for peace (any reason as to why?), so I'll put this here instead.

Please edit the OP, the Sultan's head is still on a spike on the Eastgate.

When did you send them? He lives in Hong Kong or something, so it's possible he hasn't seen it yet

[Sinkretichki Kombinat]

Unfortunately it would appear Ausitoria has blocked my telegrams after I sent him my terms for peace (any reason as to why?), so I'll put this here instead.

Please edit the OP, the Sultan's head is still on a spike on the Eastgate.

When did you send them? He lives in Hong Kong or something, so it's possible he hasn't seen it yet

He showed a screenshot in another chat that the TG was blocked by Aus.