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The Terran Concordium wrote:Luminumbra, sorry if I sound condescending, but your latest post is a bit, overpowered and techwanky.

First off, your magic-infused armour is pretty bullshit (pardon my language, nothing personal, just the best way to describe it). By vaguely referring it to be "one of the strongest metals in the universe" and "being infused with magic and special particles", is not very helpful to your fellow RPers because you can simply negate whatever you want on the basis of it being magic, rather than science. This can be seen when you claim the armour can simply drain energy out of any reaction. This is poor RPing etiquette since you can basically godmod your way through most people's weapons, which are projectile-based. I think it would benefit you and us, and other RPers you may interact with in the future if you stepped it down a little, and provide a more realistic footing; e.g. instead of it simply negating and reducing energy (which scientifically is ludicrous because energy cannot be destroyed nor created, if you did, you would break the laws of physics), you could perhaps mention it is more effective against projectile weaponry, but not claim it simply blocks any and all projectile impacts.

A RPer by the name of Pordlandia once stated: "Magic is bad because people simply use it to ignore physics under the guise of 'it's magic so it can ignore most interaction with non-magic.'"

I have personally witnessed many RPers with similar style protection godmodding (one guy if I recall correctly had neutronium armour in multiple dimensions that dispersed projectiles) and they have been shunned out of future RPers because of an acquired reputation for godmodding. Again, I would like to reiterate, this isn't anything against you personally, I would just like to see you improve since you have great potential.

Secondly, I would like to give a general explanation on how antimatter works. When antimatter touches normal matter, transfers all matter into energy, meaning, when an antimatter shell hits one of those magic infused armoured plates, the matter that comprises the armoured plates that was in contact with the antimatter would transferred into energy (typically explosive but also large amounts of gamma rays), essentially removing the matter and turning it into energy, the stuff your armour is weak against. Your energy negating armour is useless against this. If you read my first post where I engaged in combat, my antimatter point defense systems took down several torpedoes through this method, where the antimatter annihilated with the torpedoes' matter, turning them into energy releases in the form of "small explosions".

So, considering all of this, I would like you to perhaps moderate your post a bit so it is more realistic and fair for all of us. Thanks.

Luminumbra wrote:

The Terran Concordium wrote:Luminumbra, sorry if I sound condescending, but your latest post is a bit, overpowered and techwanky.

First off, your magic-infused armour is pretty bullshit (pardon my language, nothing personal, just the best way to describe it). By vaguely referring it to be "one of the strongest metals in the universe" and "being infused with magic and special particles", is not very helpful to your fellow RPers because you can simply negate whatever you want on the basis of it being magic, rather than science. This can be seen when you claim the armour can simply drain energy out of any reaction. This is poor RPing etiquette since you can basically godmod your way through most people's weapons, which are projectile-based. I think it would benefit you and us, and other RPers you may interact with in the future if you stepped it down a little, and provide a more realistic footing; e.g. instead of it simply negating and reducing energy (which scientifically is ludicrous because energy cannot be destroyed nor created, if you did, you would break the laws of physics), you could perhaps mention it is more effective against projectile weaponry, but not claim it simply blocks any and all projectile impacts.

A RPer by the name of Pordlandia once stated: "Magic is bad because people simply use it to ignore physics under the guise of 'it's magic so it can ignore most interaction with non-magic.'"

I have personally witnessed many RPers with similar style protection godmodding (one guy if I recall correctly had neutronium armour in multiple dimensions that dispersed projectiles) and they have been shunned out of future RPers because of an acquired reputation for godmodding. Again, I would like to reiterate, this isn't anything against you personally, I would just like to see you improve since you have great potential.

Secondly, I would like to give a general explanation on how antimatter works. When antimatter touches normal matter, transfers all matter into energy, meaning, when an antimatter shell hits one of those magic infused armoured plates, the matter that comprises the armoured plates that was in contact with the antimatter would transferred into energy (typically explosive but also large amounts of gamma rays), essentially removing the matter and turning it into energy, the stuff your armour is weak against. Your energy negating armour is useless against this. If you read my first post where I engaged in combat, my antimatter point defense systems took down several torpedoes through this method, where the antimatter annihilated with the torpedoes' matter, turning them into energy releases in the form of "small explosions".

So, considering all of this, I would like you to perhaps moderate your post a bit so it is more realistic and fair for all of us. Thanks.

Noted: Will change it later tonight, since that entails entirely different reactions and battle plans on the part of the commanders. And thanks for the physics lesson haha. An astronomy buff like myself should have remembered that energy cannot be created or destroyed. Maybe I need to brush up on the physics, watch more Isaac Arthur lol. This is my first real RP, so I wanted to ask you if you had any suggestions for how to use magiscience without going overboard? We are partially FanT and don't want to abandon the use of magic.

Pordlandia wrote:

Luminumbra wrote:
Noted: Will change it later tonight, since that entails entirely different reactions and battle plans on the part of the commanders. And thanks for the physics lesson haha. An astronomy buff like myself should have remembered that energy cannot be created or destroyed. Maybe I need to brush up on the physics, watch more Isaac Arthur lol. This is my first real RP, so I wanted to ask you if you had any suggestions for how to use magiscience without going overboard? We are partially FanT and don't want to abandon the use of magic.

I would tell you to not use magic at all until you have experience with vanilla sci-fi RP mechanics under your belt. All of the issues here are from a lack of experience, and there are many deeper intricacies that one cannot learn if they bypass the foundation and go straight to the myriad rooms and chambers they'd like to have on the second or third floors.

Seav wrote:REIGNITE THE ANCIENT FLAME OF GLORY!
Nation Full Name: The Kingdom of Seav
Leader: Lord Emperor Dualtach Ó Bairr
Tech Level*: 8, according to this index.
Military Size: 2 million, 1 hundred thousand active duty, 800,000 reserve members.
Military Budget: 600 Billion Credits

Seav wrote:I can deploy aircraft carriers and other ground/sea forces for the rebels, if needed. I'm still working on my 3D models for them, so I can't really show you right now, but I'm working on getting them finished. I also have a decently sized spacegoing navy, but might be a little wary about committing those forces. Again, am still working on 3D models, so I can't really show. They look godawful right now, and I've got too much of an ego to show those

Luminumbra wrote:

Seav wrote:I can deploy aircraft carriers and other ground/sea forces for the rebels, if needed. I'm still working on my 3D models for them, so I can't really show you right now, but I'm working on getting them finished. I also have a decently sized spacegoing navy, but might be a little wary about committing those forces. Again, am still working on 3D models, so I can't really show. They look godawful right now, and I've got too much of an ego to show those

Do you use blender? Or sketchup or something?

Luminumbra wrote:“Excellent!” Greadus, focused as ever, barely moving.

“Now order all Dark Affinity ships to fire their gravity cannons at the fleet. Again, I want all 12,194 firing in sync. Activate the hyperspace jammers. Fire on my orders.”

“Sir!”

“Fire!”

“Firing!”

The battlefield became overwhelmingly distorted by gravitational lensing as the cannons fired at the ships.

Just then, both admirals got the hail from the rebel pirate fleet.

Seav wrote:

Luminumbra wrote:“Excellent!” Greadus, focused as ever, barely moving.

“Now order all Dark Affinity ships to fire their gravity cannons at the fleet. Again, I want all 12,194 firing in sync. Activate the hyperspace jammers. Fire on my orders.”

“Sir!”

“Fire!”

“Firing!”

The battlefield became overwhelmingly distorted by gravitational lensing as the cannons fired at the ships.

Just then, both admirals got the hail from the rebel pirate fleet.

Trying to figure out, which fleet are you firing at?

Luminumbra wrote:

Seav wrote:Trying to figure out, which fleet are you firing at?

Yours my friend

Seav wrote:

Luminumbra wrote:
Yours my friend

*shit* Aight then, time to figure out how I don't die instantly from whatever these things are.

Luminumbra wrote:

Seav wrote:*shit* Aight then, time to figure out how I don't die instantly from whatever these things are.

I think I did an explanation of how many cannons each sized ship could take, you can then calculate the damage yourself. Here, I'll post it here shortly.

EDIT: Here you go m'friend.

I mentioned that "The Gravity cannon is a mildly accurate weapon (~50% hit rate) that fires a contained gravity well at near-light speed to an enemy ship, once the container hits the ship, it disintegrates and the gravity well is activated in the direction of impact, focusing the center of mass within towards the well-point. This crushes ships in one direction and makes them useless. 1 Gravity cannon can destroy all enemy fighters within range. 2 Gravity cannons are enough to destroy a small frigate, medium sized ships can handle 5-10, and large ships typically (though it depends) can handle up to 50 gravity cannons at once. Some dreadnoughts are big enough to handle over 500 and some over 1,000, but these are usually the most massive ships. It is up to the enemy to decide how many ships he has in his fleet and plan damage accordingly, since I know this is a somewhat unconventional weapon."

So basically the number of cannons I fired, divide it by 2 and distribute the damage accordingly. The 50% rate is also without evasive maneuvers, if you're 1AU away, you're 8 light minutes away--you would have 8 minutes to enact evasive maneuvers against such a cannon. But since the combat zone is way less...you have more like a few seconds. Luckily for our opponents, even w/o the maneuvers the hit rate never goes much higher than 50%.

Pordlandia wrote:No. At 1 AU from a target you have but a handful of seconds to evade an incoming round because sensory information is light speed. This means the information telling you the enemy has fired is only barely outpacing the salvo itself.

Pordlandia wrote:
No. At 1 AU from a target you have but a handful of seconds to evade an incoming round because sensory information is light speed. This means the information telling you the enemy has fired is only barely outpacing the salvo itself.

50% accuracy is a meaningless statistic. It does not tell anyone how useful the weapon is as it does not include any information that would allow them to glean its actual effectiveness.

Is the firing ship maneuvering? If so, how fast? Is it only accelerating? Decelerating? Changing distance?

What is the type of target this is measured against? A stationary target? A slowly sailing target? A craft moving at combat velocities? One accelerating at constant g? Or how about the relative speed of the two craft? And what about target size? Is this against a small fighter? A lumbering freighter of a dozen kilometers? A sleek cruiser?

How is this weapon generating gravity? How is gravity off? How is it getting turned back on? Gravity itself is a byproduct of mass, it isn't a "force" in the traditional sense insofar as much as it can be manipulated like electromagnetism. Objects either have mass or they don't, and this informs their behaviour.

Also - gravity itself doesn't crush. It pulls objects; assuming for the briefest of moments you are able to utilize such a system, it will shred the target apart by pulling the nearest matter towards it faster than matter further away, effectively stretching a craft into oblivion. It will not "crush" an object in a given direction; it operates in a sphere.

Luminumbra wrote:

Pordlandia wrote:I appreciate the help, but now it feels that you're just micromanaging my RP style--specifically mine and not anyone elses, and that's kind of annoying. And I know that's what's you're subconsciously doing because I fired gamma ray lasers--and the other RPer said it destroyed his ships when in reality it should have fried the electronics on the ship. All I heard from you was crickets. And I didn't decide to correct his every RPing decision. No I just let it happen. It's not that I don't welcome the help, but it's the way you're doing it that's rubbing me the wrong way.

Seav wrote:

Luminumbra wrote:

...Oops. Perhaps I should have realized that those would disable electronics. *realizes that this is partially science based* Aight, and thanks for the hit statistics so that I can calculate.

EDIT: How close to lightspeed? (sorry, I'm one of those kind of people who try to get every last iota of info.)

Multiversal Venn-Copard wrote:

Seav wrote:...Oops. Perhaps I should have realized that those would disable electronics. *realizes that this is partially science based* Aight, and thanks for the hit statistics so that I can calculate.

EDIT: How close to lightspeed? (sorry, I'm one of those kind of people who try to get every last iota of info.)

I mean, a powerful enough graser will probably end up penetrating shields or melting armor too. Though obviously it depends on what the attacker wants them to do: unanimous agreement on the effects of something is far more useful in a soft scifi RP than adherence to any one person's sense of "realism".